Hello List, My ancestors lived in the Islington and Finsbury areas of London from the 1840's on. Would anyone know how I could get a list of Victorian Photograghers for London from 1840 up to about 1900. I have bought old photographs off Ebay UK with families names on the back and was hoping to watch for certain photographers CDV from around that above mentioned area. Thank you. Kind Regards Lori

Can anyone tell me if these records are at the LMA or the Westminster Archives? I cannot find the marriage I am looking for on Ancestry. (John GRAY to Mary TYLER 19 June 1796). Taken from the IGI. --- Glenys www.quietacre.net

my thanks to antony for finding the birth of Arthur William Walter HOWES - missing the Stangroome surname but that HOWES name is on one of the other siblings birth certificate. many thanks agagin carolynn

Hello Everyone, I am trying to find some people who may have returned to the UK from Canada after 1975 to the present day. Does anyone know how I can access these records.....of course it would probably be by air rather than sea. I am situated in Australia and rely on online sources, but I cannot find anything relating to current Passenger listings.... Any help would be very much appreciated, Cheers, Robyn N.S.W.

Hi all It's now over 6 years since I last asked about this family so thought it was time to try again. Does anyone have any links to Samuel OLIVER and Sarah Eleanor ANSLOW, married 1816 Hackney, then made their home in and around Bethnal Green? Their son Samuel married Sarah COMBS in 1839 and this is the line I am following. However, I would be happy to hear from any other OLIVER researchers who had family in that area in the 19th century. The above Samuel OLIVER was the son of Richard OLIVER and Susannah BUTFOY. Cheers Leonie Oliver NSW

Hi leonie, I have a Georgiana OLIVER who married William NIXEY on July 24,1826, they were both of the parish of St Martin in the Fields, Westminster. The witnesses were Henry Valentine Smith and Elizabeth Powell. According to census entries, Georgiana was born in the Liverpool area. They had the following children: William Richard 1828, George 1830, John Henry 1831, Catherine Eliza 1833, Elizabeth Puzey 1835, Mary Jane 1836, James 1838, Ann Elisia 1839, Joseph 1841, Edward 1843, and Georgiana 1845. Kind regards, Jon

Hello Listers For many years I have been trying to locate the marriage and the date of death and/or burial of my late husband's 3g grandfather, ROBERT HELMORE. Robert Helmore was born in Devon and baptised at Exminster on 17 Sep 1749. I have found a possible reference to him on Ancestry in Apprenticeship Indentures and he MAY have been a 'whitebread baker.' He left Devon possibly after 1775 when he was a witness at a marriage and was in London in 1783 when he was again a witness to a marriage in St Marylebone. His own children were baptised at St George Hanover Square between ca 1785 and 11 Mar 1788, the last one, George Henry, being my late husband's ancestor. His wife's name was Sarah but I have found no record of a marriage either in Devon or at St George, Hanover Square. Sarah died in 1824 and was buried at Kingston, Surrey on 24 Aug 1824, recorded as a widow. Robert was not recorded in Kingston burial records on the LDS film that I had hired. The HELMORE family seemed to spend time in Surrey and some of George Henry's children were baptised at Petersham, although family place of residence was recorded as London, where George was a coal merchant. I have a sub to Ancestry and have searched the London records to no avail. Any suggestions to help me make a small dint in my brick wall would be gratefully received. Regards Val Messer Bundaberg Qld Aus

/ On 2011-11-21 2:26 AM, Simon Martin wrote: > John Willcox was born 1850. Could this be our John Thomas Willcox, or > another John Willcox? snipped rest Previously we discussed John and marriage to Sophie Bygraves. I suppose the relationship to William or Rebecca is through one of his parents. Did you know his parents? If not Was a father on his marriage cert? Otherwise this would appear to be his birth John Thomas Willcox Jan-Feb-Mar 1850 St London, Surrey 4 523 actually St Olave but freeBMD transcribber missed Olave. You might like to send a correction to FreeBMD so anyone else looking will see you as a contact.... (1851 census had William in transcription and I've submitted alternate as Willcox) and this looks like his baptism John Thomas Willcox bap 28 Aug 1850 birth date 15 Feb 1850 matches reg quarter Thomas Willcox Elizabeth Willcox Bermondsey Christ Church Southwark I looked for marriages in London LMA lists of the above Price but not seeing any. Appear to be baptisms for children to the Price's back to 1828.. And Willcox earliest Mary Ann Willcox 23 Sep 1838 Thomas Willcox, Elizth Willcox Bermondsey St Mary Magdalene Thomas is a mariner as per 1850 baptism in which case this is likely Elizabeth Pockneall Thomas Willcox Marriage 18 Jan 1836 Bermondsey St Mary Magdalene Southwark it looks like that or Porkneall but Ancestry have also indexed as Pocknell So if Thomas as father matches the marriage cert then I would suggest buying the 1850 birth cert to check mother is Pockneall - PS please don't multi post to other lists I had to chop Surrey off my reply - else I get a reject note as I am not a member Ron Lankshear -Sydney NSW (from London-Shepherds Bush/Chiswick) try my links http://freepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lankshear

I have not found a death or a marriage, BUT in 1891 Walter claims to be a Boot Laster. In 1901 he seems to be called William not Walter and still with Emily There is a similarly aged person in 1911 in London It might not be your man, but here are the details STANGROOM, Walter Boarder Widower M 50 1861 Boot Laster Bethnal Green LD VIEW Maybe there is no marriage to Cole because there was no death of Walter. Perhaps he eventually went back to Norfolk. Deaths Jun 1939 (>99%) ________________________________________ Stangroom Walter W 80 Yarmouth 4b 22 Good Luck Antony Lambert -----Original Message----- From: london-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:london-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Carolynn Langley Sent: 20 November 2011 21:55 To: london@rootsweb.com Subject: [LON] Stangroomes Still looking for any links to this family that originated in Flanders and thence to Norfolk in london 1881 for wedding of Emily Wilkes to Walter Stangroome at St James the Great Bethnal Green said to have has 21 chilldren 15 found so far.. yet to find her 2nd marriage to Benjamin Cole or the death of Walter before 1902 thanks carolynn ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ This mailing list works in parallel with the London surname interest list on the web at http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/london.html . Check for matching interests and add your own ! Any problems, please contact the List Admin: LONDON-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LONDON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Still looking for any links to this family that originated in Flanders and thence to Norfolk in london 1881 for wedding of Emily Wilkes to Walter Stangroome at St James the Great Bethnal Green said to have has 21 chilldren 15 found so far.. yet to find her 2nd marriage to Benjamin Cole or the death of Walter before 1902 thanks carolynn

Hi All, I've found out the following: John Willcox was born 1850. Could this be our John Thomas Willcox, or another John Willcox? 1851 Census John is living with William & Rebecca Price and their 2 daughters, Sarah & Amelia. John is down as aged 1 and listed as nephew. They are living at 4 Mellicks Place. Why does that address ring a bell? 1861 Census Again he's still with William & Rebecca, living at 25 Mellicks Place and listed as relation. 1871 Census Still with William & Rebecca at 25 Mellicks Place but this time he's back to nephew, working as a carman. 1901 Census There's no sign of John living with Rebecca Price. William must have passed away as Rebecca is listed as Widow, but has her daughter Elizabeth Baker b1833, a dressmaker, living with her. What I am unable to find is, a connection between Rebecca Price, and how she's related to John Willcox, her nephew, grandson, relation. Can someone help please? Simon

Hi Lori On Ancestry you need the Premium or Worldwide subscription to gain access to the LMA Parish Registers on there (essentials does not cover them) The PRs are largely pre 1813 and 1813 on You can search each separately by selecting the database :- London, England, Deaths and Burials, 1813-1980 London, England, Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1538-1812 You can search the Registers by selecting City of London then St Bride's (pre 1813) or St Bride (1813 on) and then selecting the year you want OR Use the "Old Search" enter GARLICK as a surname and just the word Bride in the keyword box You might also try GAR* or *LICK to see if there are any variations not found with the name in full This will give all instances across the databases on Ancestry which will include the ones you want but may highlight one or two in other DBs Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Hello, > > I am fairly new to Ancestry UK and would like to search for all GARLICK ancestors that were buried > at St Bride, Fleet Street in the early to mid 1800's. How do I go about doing this, as I did not > find a place to put this in the advanced search link. Any help would he greatly appreciated. Thank > you. > > Regards > Lori

Hello, I am fairly new to Ancestry UK and would like to search for all GARLICK ancestors that were buried at St Bride, Fleet Street in the early to mid 1800's. How do I go about doing this, as I did not find a place to put this in the advanced search link. Any help would he greatly appreciated. Thank you. Regards Lori

Hello Caroline, Lori, ----- Original Message ----- From: "Caroline Bradford" > Hi Lori > As John has pointed out, the 1825 baptism was of a child. I cannot find the > 1756 one on Ancestry, but you have presumably seen the original register and > presumably no date of birth is shown. But I wonder, given the closeness to > the marriage date of Thomas and Jane, whether it was an adult baptism of the > groom to be.> > Best wishes> > Caroline Good lateral thinking by Caroline :-) But, the marriage: Thomas Garlick Bann 20 Apr 1756 Saint Mary The Virgin, Twickenham, Middlesex Jane Shuckburgh (By Licence on 29th.Apr., despite Ancestry indexing it as Banns) is in April, the Baptism in May - perhaps a shotgun wedding? Like Caroline, I cannot find the Baptism, but the Twickenham baptism registers for 1756 seem to be missing from ancestry, or perhaps mis-labelled. What was your source, Lori? Kind regards, John >> I have found a strange situation with one of my ancestors. I have a >> baptism for St Mary's church in Twickenham for >> >> Thomas Ashley GARLICK baptized May 6, 1756 son of Thomas and Jane >> GARLICK Twickenham, then I have just found another baptizim for Thomas >> Ashley GARLICK baptized Jan 14, 1825 son of Thomas and Jane GARLICK St >> George's Bloomsbury. >> >> I do know that Thomas and Jane GARLICK (nee) Shuckburgh, did have a son >> Thomas Ashley in Twickenham and then the family moved to Bloomsbury >> were two more daughters were born. >> >> Does anyone know how this is possible. >> >> Thanks >> >> Kind Regards Lori > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > This mailing list works in parallel with the London surname interest list on the web at > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/london.html . Check for matching interests and add your own ! > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: LONDON-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LONDON-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Lori As John has pointed out, the 1825 baptism was of a child. I cannot find the 1756 one on Ancestry, but you have presumably seen the original register and presumably no date of birth is shown. But I wonder, given the closeness to the marriage date of Thomas and Jane, whether it was an adult baptism of the groom to be. Best wishes Caroline > I have found a strange situation with one of my ancestors. I have a > baptism for St Mary's church in Twickenham for > > Thomas Ashley GARLICK baptized May 6, 1756 son of Thomas and Jane > GARLICK Twickenham, then I have just found another baptizim for Thomas > Ashley GARLICK baptized Jan 14, 1825 son of Thomas and Jane GARLICK St > George's Bloomsbury. > > I do know that Thomas and Jane GARLICK (nee) Shuckburgh, did have a son > Thomas Ashley in Twickenham and then the family moved to Bloomsbury > were two more daughters were born. > > Does anyone know how this is possible. > > Thanks > > Kind Regards Lori

I have the same situation with one of my ancestors, baptised in 1749 and 1770...it's definitely the same man. I think it's possible that the first baptism was a private one, if he was a sickly baby and the second was a public baptism, so perhaps this is an explanation for your man, although that does seem an incredible lapse of time. Could they be related but not the same individual? Incidentally, the sickly baby lived to 104! HTH Kim, Hull, East Yorkshire > > I have found a strange situation with one of my ancestors. I have a > baptism for St Mary's church in Twickenham for > > Thomas Ashley GARLICK baptized May 6, 1756 son of Thomas and Jane GARLICK > Twickenham, then I have just found another baptizim for Thomas Ashley > GARLICK baptized Jan 14, 1825 son of Thomas and Jane GARLICK St George's > Bloomsbury. > > I do know that Thomas and Jane GARLICK (nee) Shuckburgh, did have a son > Thomas Ashley in Twickenham and then the family moved to Bloomsbury were > two more daughters were born. > > Does anyone know how this is possible.

Hello Lori, ----- Original Message ----- From: "LORI ADKINS" <lacodak@msn.com> > I have found a strange situation with one of my ancestors. I have a baptism for St Mary's church > in Twickenham for > > Thomas Ashley GARLICK baptized May 6, 1756 son of Thomas and Jane GARLICK Twickenham, then I > > have just found another baptizim for Thomas Ashley GARLICK baptized Jan 14, 1825 son of Thomas > > and Jane GARLICK St George's Bloomsbury. > I do know that Thomas and Jane GARLICK (nee) Shuckburgh, did have a son Thomas Ashley in > Twickenham and then the family moved to Bloomsbury were two more daughters were born. > Does anyone know how this is possible. > > Thanks> > Kind Regards Lori 1st,instinct: there is a mistake or not the same person. 2nd.instinct,: there are cases of baptisms at any age from 9 minutes to 99+ years. So, check the records, which reveals, first that Thomas Ashley GARLICK, baptized 14th.January, 1825, son of Thomas, pianoforte maker, and Jane, was born on 3rd.June 1823. So, this is a "new" Thomas Ashley G. Then, an Ashley Thomas GARLICK is born Sep.1989 in Portsmouth RD. You might want to look harder at these marriages: Thomas Garlick 18 Sep 1821 Jane Lawson St Pancras Parish Chapel Thomas Garlick 14 May 1826 Jane Salter Shoreditch St Leonard Thomas Garlicks seemed to like marrying Janes: but these are the two for the time period. You might also follow up these children of Thomas & Jane Thomas Ashley Garlick 14 Jan 1825 Thomas Garlick,Jane Garlick Bloomsbury St George Camden Henry Wodhull Shuckburgh Garlick 8 May 1833 Thomas Garlick,Jane Garlick St Alban Wood Street City of London Jane Shuckburgh Garlick 8 May 1833 Thomas Garlick,Jane Garlick St Alban Wood Street City of London Shuckburgh Frederick Garlick 8 May 1833 Thomas Garlick,Jane Garlick St Alban Wood Street City of London William Lawson Shuckburgh Garlick 8 May 1833 Thomas Garlick,Jane Garlick St Alban Wood Street City of London Ada Shuckburgh Garlick 6 Apr 1836 Thomas Garlick,Jane Garlick Holborn St Sepulchre City of London Richard Thuckburgh Garlick 19 Apr 1836 Thomas Garlick,Jane Garlick Holborn St Sepulchre City of London For the earlier baptism you could look more closely at this marriage Thomas Garlick Bann 20 Apr 1756 Saint Mary The Virgin, Twickenham, Middlesex Jane Shuckburgh There are sufficiently few GARLICKs in the London area 1750-1850 for you to be able to build up family groups and then see if you can link them. HTH John Henley

Do you know the death date of the first Thomas (bap 1756)? Could he have been (re) baptised just before he died? Or the later Thomas is another generation? Ems On 17 November 2011 00:13, LORI ADKINS <lacodak@msn.com> wrote: > Hello List, > > I have found a strange situation with one of my ancestors. I have a baptism for St Mary's church in Twickenham for > > Thomas Ashley GARLICK baptized May 6, 1756 son of Thomas and Jane GARLICK Twickenham, then I have just found another baptizim for Thomas Ashley GARLICK baptized Jan 14, 1825 son of Thomas and Jane GARLICK St George's Bloomsbury. > > I do know that Thomas and Jane GARLICK (nee) Shuckburgh, did have a son Thomas Ashley in Twickenham and then the family moved to Bloomsbury were two more daughters were born. > > Does anyone know how this is possible. > > Thanks > > Kind Regards Lori

Thank you Marg. I'd forgotten about the father's name being on the certificate. Frank

Hello List, Under the circumstances when a widow remarries, is it customary that she use her Maiden name (on the Marriage Certificate), or that name given in her previous marriage. Thank you for your opinion. Frank, Manitoba