Capital records For hundreds of years, the Freemen of the City of London were among the capital's most prominent citizens. From constables to stonemasons, people from all walks of life earned this prestigious award. Our new London Freedom of the City Admission Papers, 1681-1925, reveal almost 600,000 Freemen from all over London. Find an ancestor among them, and you'll discover crucial details about their life, and maybe even the person who taught them their trade. Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

It is only Free to look at the index. You have to pay to see to pages. ----- Original Message ----- From: jan royal <janroyal2000@hotmail.com> To: london-l@rootsweb.com Sent: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 18:41:11 +0800 (WST) Subject: [LON] newspaper digitizing- free http://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/archive-media.php ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ This mailing list works in parallel with the London surname interest list on the web at http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/london.html . Check for matching interests and add your own ! Any problems, please contact the List Admin: LONDON-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LONDON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I should have written: "Using the neighbours search, I find in the 1881 census on disc at 57 Tottenham Court Rd a retired cigar merchant, A.M. Plenderleith, as head of the 'family' with wife, two sons, a daughter, a servant, " <<<snip>>> Cheers Graham

Hi Jan This is a peculiar one. Using the neighbours search, I find in the 1881 census on disc a retired cigar merchant, A.M. Plenderleith, as head of the 'family' with wife, two sons, a daughter, a servant, a boarder (wait for it) Henry Ives, 38 yrs, police sergeant and then also 48 police constables. All boarders. Seems they did things strangely in those days! The retired cigar merchant may have been a caretaker or such. At No. 58 a police inspector lives with his family. The following url shows a police station, which I consider may well be the one from Standfords 1897 map at Mapco: <http://mapco.net/stanford/stan33.htm>http://mapco.net/stanford/stan33.htm which on modern London maps is still there and appears to be around 57-59 (remodelled, no doubt!) beside Kirkham Place. Mapco 1878 also shows the station. <http://london1878.com/stanford15b.htm>http://london1878.com/stanford15b.htm Scroll down to the bottom left-hand corner. Best wishes Graham Melbourne Oz

How can I find if there was a Police Station at 59 Tottenham Court Road in 1877 - or perhaps Police Barracks. Also, where would I look to try and find whether a Policeman who died in 1893 died in the line of duty?Thank youJan

Hi Jan Although the site appears to be down at present you might try emailing them http://www.policememorial.org.uk/ The death certificate would give the cause of death , if he died in the line of duty there would be an inquest I presume he was in the Met Police? http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/research-guides/metropolitan-police.htm Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > How can I find if there was a Police Station at 59 Tottenham Court Road in 1877 - or perhaps > Police Barracks. Also, where would I look to try and find whether a Policeman who died in 1893 > died in the line of duty?Thank youJan

Hi all I'm doing research for my father who's writing a book on Rowland BOWEN (1916-1978). He's been researching BOWEN for many years but wants a bit more on the family background. We have everything that is online. All I can find out is that Roland's father, Charles BOWEN married Nina May JOHNSTON on 17 April 1915 at St Peters Church, Hampstead. Charles's father is given as John BOWEN, deceased, with the occupation as 'Independent'. According to the MC Charles was born in 1887 (my father's notes have it as 21 Jan 1889 - so we're checking that out). The witnesses are Mary A BOWEN, Ellen BOWEN, and a male BOWEN who's first name/initial I cannot read. The MC is on Ancestry if anyone is interested. None of the Charles BOWENs listed as born around those dates link with mine. I cannot find Charles on the 1911 even giving the occupation of lawyer or solicitor. Charles is a solicitor on the MC, having got his first practicing certificate in 1910, having been admitted in October 1910. He was later struck off in 1935 for misappropriation of clients' money, and believed to have served a jail time before finishing life in poverty. Rowland had 3 siblings all born in Hampstead District - Peter BOWEN (1919-1939), Anthony BOWEN (1922-), believed to have been a RN officer, and lived in Malta postwar, and a sister Jean BOWEN (1925-?) who possibly married and moved to Australia. I have spent the best part of 24 hours looking for all the individuals involved to see if there is any further record of them without any joy. Is there anyone on this list who knows of the BOWEN family who lived in Hampstead District in the early 1920s? Or knows of furthur avenues that we could try? Thank you Andy

Arthur, This is quite fascinating, though I wonder if prior to 1812 you only get what is already on the parish documents, which generally for St. Anne Soho, is very little. Can anyone expound on this because it is of great interest to me. As for paying outside of the UK, most family history societies here in Australia have stirling cheque facilities if one is a member. Cheers Graham Oz

Glenys, Westminster Archives Centre will supply a copy of the marriage certificate for £4.00. Postal service only and payment by cheque so I'm not sure how the service would work if you're outside the U.K. I had a St. Anne Soho marriage cert (1824) from them just about a year ago. It was rather a slow process, my request first getting lost somewhere in their system and when found, being dealt with by somebody who worked just two days a week, but I was happy with the eventual outcome. Relevant web page: http://www.westminster.gov.uk/services/libraries/archives/family-history/ HTH, -- Arthur

Hi Lori, I have found this site to be very useful, my great x 3 uncle was a photograher in London in the 1800's hope its successful for you http://www.cartedevisite.co.uk/ Regards Marion Sydney On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 6:46 PM, Anne Peat <anne.peat@bigwindows.demon.co.uk > wrote: > Lori, Some of the London Photographer sites seem to have changed their web > addresses. > > This one seems current : http://thornburypump.myby.co.uk/PI/Middlesex.html > > HTH > Anne > On 25 Nov 2011, at 02:15, LORI ADKINS wrote: > > > Hello List, > > > > My ancestors lived in the Islington and Finsbury areas of London from > the 1840's on. > > Would anyone know how I could get a list of Victorian Photograghers for > London from 1840 up to about 1900. I have bought old photographs off Ebay > UK with families names on the back and was hoping to watch for certain > photographers CDV from around that above mentioned area. Thank you. > > > > Kind Regards > > Lori > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > This mailing list works in parallel with the London surname interest list > on the web at http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/london.html . Check for > matching interests and add your own ! > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: LONDON-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LONDON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Regards Marion.

Carol, Have you tried searching for him in the Commonwealth War Graves Commission First World War deaths? Unfortunately GREEN is a very common surname. But some of the casualties give a name of a spouse, or even better of parents if the man was unmarried. You could also look in the London Marriages on Ancestry, for someone with the Father Thomas or Thomas George GREEN. HTH Anne On 25 Nov 2011, at 15:44, Carol Pointer wrote: > Hi > I wonder if anyone has a link to Frederick GREEN, born 12 Aug 1890 at 32 Rahere Street. Reg District: Holborn Sub district: Old Street, St Luke. > Frederick's parents were Thomas George GREEN and Clara Sarah Mary Ann GREEN (nee DELLAROCCA) and his siblings were Thomas, Arthur, Clara and George (my grandfather). > > In the 1911 census Frederick was living at home with his parents at Albany Road, Camberwell. He is the only one of this family I've been unable to trace further. Any help or leads would be much appreciated. > > Thanks > > Carol

there are books and websites about NZ photographers so there probably are about UK ones. Shirley ----- Original Message ----- From: "LORI ADKINS" <lacodak@msn.com> To: "London" <London@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 25, 2011 3:15 PM Subject: [LON] Victorian London Photographers > Hello List, > > My ancestors lived in the Islington and Finsbury areas of London from the > 1840's on. > Would anyone know how I could get a list of Victorian Photograghers for > London from 1840 up to about 1900. I have bought old photographs off Ebay > UK with families names on the back and was hoping to watch for certain > photographers CDV from around that above mentioned area. Thank you. > > Kind Regards > Lori > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > This mailing list works in parallel with the London surname interest list > on the web at http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/london.html . Check for > matching interests and add your own ! > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: LONDON-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LONDON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

25/11/2011, Glenys Rasmussen wrote: >Can anyone tell me if these records are at the LMA or the Westminster >Archives? I cannot find the marriage I am looking for on Ancestry. (John >GRAY to Mary TYLER 19 June 1796). Taken from the IGI. Hello Glenys I have a marriage at St. Anne Soho in the year 1796 (and others of surrounding years) taken from original parish registers where only the date and the names of the parties are shown. No address or district, no age of the parties, no parents and no witnesses. This is rather sad considering that I have other parishes back to at least 1755 where at least witnesses names were shown. It seems there was no hard and fast rule until 1812. I'm fairly certain that you will not get any additional information from the archives. However, you might obtain a microfilm of the OR's through the LDS folk at one of their family history libraries to prove this - British Film No. 918596, Marriages 1794-1812. The film number that the new FamilySearch site shows as source film number 918602 is wrong - this applies only to marriages 1864-1875. The correct film is definitely 918596. However, as I said, I doubt you will find any further information. Again though, a helpful archive online is London Lives, which may give you some information re. John Gray as it contains some poll books and rate books for St. Anne Soho residents up to 1820. I found a couple of my Bennett people on it for Great Chapel Street. Go to: <http://www.londonlives.org/index.jsp>http://www.londonlives.org/index.jsp Click in on "More Search Options" and select Additional datasets: Westminster Pollbooks 1749-1820 and Westminster Ratebooks 1749-1820, at the end of the All Documents page. Best wishes Graham Melbourne Oz

Westminster Genuki is a great resource http://homepages.gold.ac.uk/genuki/MDX/SohoStAnne/index.html Ron Lankshear -Sydney NSW (from London-Shepherds Bush/Chiswick) try my links http://freepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lankshear/ On 2011-11-25 1:04 PM, Glenys Rasmussen wrote: > Can anyone tell me if these records are at the LMA or the > Archives? I cannot find the marriage I am looking for on Ancestry. (John > GRAY to Mary TYLER 19 June 1796). Taken from the IGI. > > --- > Glenys

Please visit my page - links for London photo folk half way down <http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lankshear/PhotoDating/dating_photos.htm> Ron Lankshear -Sydney NSW (from London-Shepherds Bush/Chiswick) try my links http://freepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lankshear/ On 2011-11-25 1:15 PM, LORI ADKINS wrote: > My ancestors lived in the Islington and Finsbury areas of London from the 1840's on. > Would anyone know how I could get a list of Victorian Photograghers for London from 1840 up to about 1900. I have bought old photographs off Ebay UK with families names on the back and was hoping to watch for certain photographers CDV from around that above mentioned area. Thank you. > > Kind Regards > Lori

Many thanks to Ron, Graham, Stella and Matt for your helpful answers to let me know that St. Anne Soho is at the Westminster Archives. I appreciate your time and help. -- Glenys www.quietacre.net

Hi I wonder if anyone has a link to Frederick GREEN, born 12 Aug 1890 at 32 Rahere Street. Reg District: Holborn Sub district: Old Street, St Luke. Frederick's parents were Thomas George GREEN and Clara Sarah Mary Ann GREEN (nee DELLAROCCA) and his siblings were Thomas, Arthur, Clara and George (my grandfather). In the 1911 census Frederick was living at home with his parents at Albany Road, Camberwell. He is the only one of this family I've been unable to trace further. Any help or leads would be much appreciated. Thanks Carol

Such a list would be of no small size. The P.O. London Directory listed various categories of traders in the photography industry. Try "Photographic Artists", of which there were about a page full in 1875, for example. Best wishes, John Townsend Antiquarian Bookseller/Genealogist http://www.johntownsend.demon.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "LORI ADKINS" <lacodak@msn.com> To: "London" <London@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 25, 2011 2:15 AM Subject: [LON] Victorian London Photographers > Hello List, > > My ancestors lived in the Islington and Finsbury areas of London from the > 1840's on. > Would anyone know how I could get a list of Victorian Photograghers for > London from 1840 up to about 1900. I have bought old photographs off Ebay > UK with families names on the back and was hoping to watch for certain > photographers CDV from around that above mentioned area. Thank you.

Lori, Some of the London Photographer sites seem to have changed their web addresses. This one seems current : http://thornburypump.myby.co.uk/PI/Middlesex.html HTH Anne On 25 Nov 2011, at 02:15, LORI ADKINS wrote: > Hello List, > > My ancestors lived in the Islington and Finsbury areas of London from the 1840's on. > Would anyone know how I could get a list of Victorian Photograghers for London from 1840 up to about 1900. I have bought old photographs off Ebay UK with families names on the back and was hoping to watch for certain photographers CDV from around that above mentioned area. Thank you. > > Kind Regards > Lori

Hello! I am new to the list and am looking for any Spearing who is resesrching the name. Our Spearing family go back to 1500's London. Our family ended up in Ireland in the mid to late 1600's. Anyone here researching this name? Margaret Visit the Spearin Surname Project @ http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~spearin/Index.html