Hello, Can SKS find James George RIMELL for me in either the 1851 or 1861 Census please. He was born in the second quarter of 1851 and the birth was registered in St Pancras Best Regards Peter Rimell

On 2011-12-03 2:46 PM, harvieandliz wrote: > hi folks, i have 2 young ladies who traveled to New York, from > Southampton. they gave as their recent UK address: "25 Granville > gardens, Shepherds' Bush W"... > these young ladies were Dorothy Stewart 18 and Vera Stewart 15; they > were "domestics". > I am wondering how to find out who lived at that address in 1921..it > was likely their employer. > > Is SKS able to do a lookup for me? > thanks liz of BC Canada 1939 Kelly's say 25 was Thos Adam LMSSA physician and surgeon Appears Granville Gardens were on Shepherds Bush Green South side just near Rockley Rd Looking at Google Street view its all near buildings now But if you look along the road there is a Grantly Hotel in a row of three storey terrace and I would suppose that 25 was like that. Could be a doctor in the ground and the young ladies rented a flat.... Actually when I met my wife she was renting in a similar terrace very nearby.... Ron Lankshear -Sydney NSW (from London-Shepherds Bush/Chiswick) try my links http://freepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lankshear/

Indeed not, Sheila. But if a person's qualification for applying for Freedom of the City was that they had gained membership of their Livery Company by servitude (apprenticeship), the apprenticeship indentures were often filed with their Freedom records. So this particular data set actually contains a great deal more than its title implies. Caroline > > Within this set of records was an Indenture ( James Kemm 1839) I didn't > think Freedom of the City and Indenture/appenticeship was the same > thing. > > Sheila >

Within this set of records was an Indenture ( James Kemm 1839) I didn't think Freedom of the City and Indenture/appenticeship was the same thing. Sheila ======================================== Message Received: Dec 03 2011, 11:21 AM From: sandra.s@ntlworld.com To: london@rootsweb.com Cc: Subject: Re: [LON] LONDON Freedom of City Papers Hi Glenys, I think the answer to your question is that the date range quoted by ancestry is the date range of the whole document (in this case a book) in which the entry appears. The other date is the date when the person concerned became a freeman. Sandra -----Original Message----- From: london-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 8:00 AM To: london@rootsweb.com Subject: LONDON Digest, Vol 6, Issue 424 Message: 2 Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 14:03:14 -0700 From: Glenys Rasmussen Subject: [LON] London Freedom of the City Papers - Question To: LONDON@rootsweb.com Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 When going through these records on Ancestry.com looking for my Jonah or Jacob SMITH, I was fortunate enough to find Jonah's record and it does say he is the son of Jacob SMITH, a ropemaker. Why does the document itself have the date of 1st April 1807 while Ancestry shows it to be Mar-Oct 1814? Are they giving the approximate time the apprenticeship would have finished? Or??? -- Glenys www.quietacre.net ************************************** ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ This mailing list works in parallel with the London surname interest list on the web at http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/london.html . Check for matching interests and add your own ! Any problems, please contact the List Admin: LONDON-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LONDON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Glenys, I think the answer to your question is that the date range quoted by ancestry is the date range of the whole document (in this case a book) in which the entry appears. The other date is the date when the person concerned became a freeman. Sandra -----Original Message----- From: london-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 8:00 AM To: london@rootsweb.com Subject: LONDON Digest, Vol 6, Issue 424 Message: 2 Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 14:03:14 -0700 From: Glenys Rasmussen <glenealogist@gmail.com> Subject: [LON] London Freedom of the City Papers - Question To: LONDON@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <CAAPNd9HfpoxxXJ5Z+r5R8E3Bj+Sf7Gn15eJNyWUD1zVM8PNWbQ@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 When going through these records on Ancestry.com looking for my Jonah or Jacob SMITH, I was fortunate enough to find Jonah's record and it does say he is the son of Jacob SMITH, a ropemaker. Why does the document itself have the date of 1st April 1807 while Ancestry shows it to be Mar-Oct 1814? Are they giving the approximate time the apprenticeship would have finished? Or??? -- Glenys www.quietacre.net **************************************

Hi Liz As you are probably aware the 1921 is a long way off being released (2022 at present) So you are left with any other source such as directories, newspapers, etc A keyword search on Ancestry finds >From Ancestry and the Army Service records 37704 Oscar Henry TITMUS 3rd Reserve Cavalry Regiment 25 Granville Gardens Shepherds Bush Green Registered Dentist Attested 14th My 1917 Medical Directory 1927 Thomas ADAM 25 Granville Gardens London W12 British Telephone Books 1926 ADAM & ADAM Physicians & Surgeons 25 Granville Gardens W12 RIVrside 1447 Riverside 1447 ADAM & ADAM Physicians & Surgeons 25 Granville gdns W12 1921 Hammersmith 1447 WATSON M.G. Dental Surgeon 25 Granville Gdns W12 1919 Hammersmith 1447 TITMAS O.H. Dental Surgeon 25 Granville Gdns W12 Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > hi folks, i have 2 young ladies who traveled to New York, from > Southampton. they gave as their recent UK address: "25 Granville > gardens, Shepherds' Bush W"... > these young ladies were Dorothy Stewart 18 and Vera Stewart 15; they > were "domestics". > I am wondering how to find out who lived at that address in 1921..it > was likely their employer. > > Is SKS able to do a lookup for me? > thanks liz of BC Canada

Well But it is an Ancestry database that requires a subscription London, England, Freedom of the City Admission Papers, 1681-1925 http://search.ancestry.com.au/search/db.aspx?dbid=2052&enc=1 Anyone on it will be included in a general search on Ancestry Provided the name is indexed correctly etc Ron Lankshear -Sydney NSW (from London-Shepherds Bush/Chiswick) try my links http://freepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lankshear/ On 2011-12-03 8:22 AM, Char-Lu Dinger wrote: > I missed the initial posting on this. Could someone repeat the URL for this database? I've googled it, but not come up with a searchable database. > > Thanks. > Char-Lu

Gail, I can't help you with your family unfortunately but you could maybe post your query on the Brickwall page - If you use Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/thebrickwallclub Website - http://sites.google.com/site/thebrickwallclub/ Cheers, Lynda On 2 December 2011 19:54, Gail Oliver <Gail.O@xtra.co.nz> wrote: > Hi folk > > Does anyone have a connection to a SMITH family -  Sidney Hodgson Smith (died 1912) and Lilian Frances SMITH (nee BOND) . > > Lilian was living at 16 Cosbycote Avenue Herne Hill from at least 1936 until 1956.  I know there was a daughter Daisy E SMITH born c 1913 but have no further information on them. > > In my mother's belongings I found an envelope with this address on it, and a photograph of my mother, her sister and my grandmother inside.  I believe that Sidney was my grandmother's brother - but there I have no other knowledge of this family.   As I am now living in New Zealand it is very difficult for me to pursue this line. > > Any help gratefully received > > Gail > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > This mailing list works in parallel with the London surname interest list on the web at http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/london.html .  Check for matching interests and add your own ! > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: LONDON-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LONDON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi folk Does anyone have a connection to a SMITH family - Sidney Hodgson Smith (died 1912) and Lilian Frances SMITH (nee BOND) . Lilian was living at 16 Cosbycote Avenue Herne Hill from at least 1936 until 1956. I know there was a daughter Daisy E SMITH born c 1913 but have no further information on them. In my mother's belongings I found an envelope with this address on it, and a photograph of my mother, her sister and my grandmother inside. I believe that Sidney was my grandmother's brother - but there I have no other knowledge of this family. As I am now living in New Zealand it is very difficult for me to pursue this line. Any help gratefully received Gail

hi folks, i have 2 young ladies who traveled to New York, from Southampton. they gave as their recent UK address: "25 Granville gardens, Shepherds' Bush W"... these young ladies were Dorothy Stewart 18 and Vera Stewart 15; they were "domestics". I am wondering how to find out who lived at that address in 1921..it was likely their employer. Is SKS able to do a lookup for me? thanks liz of BC Canada

Here you go Char-Lu and good hunting! http://search.ancestry.com/search/DB.aspx?dbid=2052 On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 2:22 PM, Char-Lu Dinger <char-lu.dinger@sbcglobal.net > wrote: > I missed the initial posting on this. Could someone repeat the URL for > this database? I've googled it, but not come up with a searchable database. > > Thanks. > Char-Lu > > On Dec 2, 2011, at 1:03 PM, Glenys Rasmussen wrote: > > > When going through these records on Ancestry.com looking for my Jonah or > > Jacob SMITH, I was fortunate enough to find Jonah's record and it does > say > > he is the son of Jacob SMITH, a ropemaker. > > > > Why does the document itself have the date of 1st April 1807 while > Ancestry > > shows it to be > > Mar-Oct 1814? Are they giving the approximate time the apprenticeship > > would have finished? > > Or??? > > > > -- > > Glenys > > www.quietacre.net > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > This mailing list works in parallel with the London surname interest > list on the web at http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/london.html . > Check for matching interests and add your own ! > > > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: LONDON-admin@rootsweb.com > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LONDON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > -- Glenys www.quietacre.net

When going through these records on Ancestry.com looking for my Jonah or Jacob SMITH, I was fortunate enough to find Jonah's record and it does say he is the son of Jacob SMITH, a ropemaker. Why does the document itself have the date of 1st April 1807 while Ancestry shows it to be Mar-Oct 1814? Are they giving the approximate time the apprenticeship would have finished? Or??? -- Glenys www.quietacre.net

I missed the initial posting on this. Could someone repeat the URL for this database? I've googled it, but not come up with a searchable database. Thanks. Char-Lu On Dec 2, 2011, at 1:03 PM, Glenys Rasmussen wrote: > When going through these records on Ancestry.com looking for my Jonah or > Jacob SMITH, I was fortunate enough to find Jonah's record and it does say > he is the son of Jacob SMITH, a ropemaker. > > Why does the document itself have the date of 1st April 1807 while Ancestry > shows it to be > Mar-Oct 1814? Are they giving the approximate time the apprenticeship > would have finished? > Or??? > > -- > Glenys > www.quietacre.net > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > This mailing list works in parallel with the London surname interest list on the web at http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/london.html . Check for matching interests and add your own ! > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: LONDON-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LONDON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The records for the sessions are at the L.M.A., surely, assuming they go as far as 1896? Perhaps it is possible to read up about the Clerkenwell sessions and learn what prison is most likely. Otherwise, in similar situations, one solution I have found as to which prison was used is to find the criminal in the prison register at Kew. There seem to be (at least) two relevant classes of records, PCOM and HO24. If you find a prisoner, there should be some interesting detail including physical description. It could be Newgate. There was a prison at Clerkenwell itself, but it may not have been used for that kind of purpose. I find that "Criminal Ancestors", by David Hawkings, is very useful. Hoping this meagre contribution helps, Best wishes, John Townsend Antiquarian Bookseller/Genealogist http://www.johntownsend.demon.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Velda Hampton" <velda@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <LONDON@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 5:28 PM Subject: [LON] Thomas Henry HAMPTON > In July 1896 at Clerkenwell sessions this man was sentenced to 18 months > for > forging his stepfather's signature. Does anyone know if there are any > records for this court and where he would most likely have served his > sentence? > > Velda Hampton

Hi Sandra Congratulations on your find. That is truly "one of those moments" when you have a find like that. All the best Dave Dixon BA (hons) - Economic & Social History - University of Kent - Canterbury 1997 www.fadedgenes.co.uk On 30 November 2011 17:52, Nivard Ovington <ovington1@sky.com> wrote: > Congratulations Sandra !! > > Now if you can just find my great grandfather <g> > > Seriously though its good to hear your success story > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > > > For years I have searched for the baptism of George FOSKETT who, > according to 1851 census, was > > born in Moorfields, Mdx circa 1802. He was variously a butcher and a > meat salesman. The only > > George Foskett I have ever found around this date was baptised in > Battersea, the son of William, > > an attorney, but no proof at all that this was the correct one. > > Imagine my absolute delight when I explored the newly released Freedom > records of London, found > > George, a member of the Butchers Company, purchasing by redemption his > freedom in 1844. Father's > > name: William Foskett, a solicitor, late of Moorfields. > > Just had to share this! > > Sandra > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > This mailing list works in parallel with the London surname interest list > on the web at http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/london.html . Check for > matching interests and add your own ! > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: LONDON-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LONDON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Congratulations Sandra !! Now if you can just find my great grandfather <g> Seriously though its good to hear your success story Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > For years I have searched for the baptism of George FOSKETT who, according to 1851 census, was > born in Moorfields, Mdx circa 1802. He was variously a butcher and a meat salesman. The only > George Foskett I have ever found around this date was baptised in Battersea, the son of William, > an attorney, but no proof at all that this was the correct one. > Imagine my absolute delight when I explored the newly released Freedom records of London, found > George, a member of the Butchers Company, purchasing by redemption his freedom in 1844. Father's > name: William Foskett, a solicitor, late of Moorfields. > Just had to share this! > Sandra

In July 1896 at Clerkenwell sessions this man was sentenced to 18 months for forging his stepfather's signature. Does anyone know if there are any records for this court and where he would most likely have served his sentence? Velda Hampton

For years I have searched for the baptism of George FOSKETT who, according to 1851 census, was born in Moorfields, Mdx circa 1802. He was variously a butcher and a meat salesman. The only George Foskett I have ever found around this date was baptised in Battersea, the son of William, an attorney, but no proof at all that this was the correct one. Imagine my absolute delight when I explored the newly released Freedom records of London, found George, a member of the Butchers Company, purchasing by redemption his freedom in 1844. Father's name: William Foskett, a solicitor, late of Moorfields. Just had to share this! Sandra

http://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/archive-media.php

Hi Nivard, ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nivard Ovington" > Capital records > > For hundreds of years, the Freemen of the City of London were among the capital's most prominent > citizens. From constables to stonemasons, people from all walks of life earned this prestigious > award. > > Our new London Freedom of the City Admission Papers, 1681-1925, reveal almost 600,000 Freemen > > from > all over London. Find an ancestor among them, and you'll discover crucial details about their > life, > and maybe even the person who taught them their trade. > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) Thanks for this. Found one of my names - bizarrely indexed as gaining freedom on the date of his father's admission. Listers should me aware that there are a very large number of Apprenticeship indentures in this collection, as well as Freedom papers. Regards, John Henley.