Regarding my strange symbol in a register of baptisms, thank you all for replies, here is some more information. Florence May Goodwin. Her father was a collier, so not a case of a rich family. Baptized 17 January 1902. Born 1 October 1901. Noted in the margin beside the baptism record: TP (this is somewhat what my strange symbol looks like in the margin, but imagine it with only the one line down on the P). Rec'd- 23/04/03. I think it might mean a later baptism and thusly received into the church, though if that were the case, who knows why it was so delayed. I am still curious about the TP symbol, its meaning and origin, which looks like a symbol more than it looks like letters. I would post a scan, but I think that is not permitted on this listserve, as I've only ever seen text. Thank you, Jaimie McEvoy New Westminster, British Columbia, Canada

Hi Jaimie Do the two dates have birth and baptism against them? The P you found may denote a Private baptism, when an infant was not expected to survive anyone could baptise the infant, later they were received into the Church to complete the baptism Are they the two dates you have In some cases one or other part were not recorded What date was it? Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 13/09/2014 19:24, Jaimie McEvoy via wrote: > Hello, > > I have found a symbol that looks like a capital P, but with a small extension to the left at the top, so it looks somewhat like a capital T and a capital P combined. > > This was a handwritten notation beside a baptism record. The baptism record gives two dates, date of baptism, and date of birth. The P looking symbol is written in the margin, with a later date below it. > > I am guessing that the symbol, with the later date, indicates death or burial, but I have never seen it before and would like to be sure. > > I have looked at some genealogical symbol websites without any luck. Anything pointing me in the right direction would be helpful. > > Thank you, > > Jaimie McEvoy

Hello, I have found a symbol that looks like a capital P, but with a small extension to the left at the top, so it looks somewhat like a capital T and a capital P combined. This was a handwritten notation beside a baptism record. The baptism record gives two dates, date of baptism, and date of birth. The P looking symbol is written in the margin, with a later date below it. I am guessing that the symbol, with the later date, indicates death or burial, but I have never seen it before and would like to be sure. I have looked at some genealogical symbol websites without any luck. Anything pointing me in the right direction would be helpful. Thank you, Jaimie McEvoy New Westminster, British Columbia, Canada

Hello, I need help in learning why an ancestor was 'issued'? Letters Patent for an appointment in August 1843. I believe they had something to do with a consular post in Prussia. His name was Frederick Claudius John Parkinson and the only record of him I can find of him in the London Gazette archives is his bankruptcy in 1873. He was an architect by profession practising in Westminster Thanks for any help you can give me Nick

Hi Bart, There are a couple of different transcriptions for the Helston parish records - the ones that I have seen all have the name as Christian Pascoe, so don't think you can say that it was an error. Besides, as I said before, there are 5 female Pascoe's baptised in the 1785-1787 time period, you cannot just pick one of them. BonnieB Hello: I have managed to go 1gen up on Pascoe tree. Right here precisely where I needed to be, is [Christian Pascoe chr:18-04-1786 Helston]: It is virtually impossible for this not to be her. It will be a transcript error. Thank you, Bart.

There is a death of a Frederick Drew 1963 NSW Registration 2353/1963 in the district of Wellington. Parents listed as unknown. Purchasing certificate may be only way to know if it is him. There is deaths for Mary Ann 1950 and 1962 Regards, Rose

Bart - reading further into the Will . . . it says "Catherine Pascoe known & reputed as Catherine Fenwick now and for many years past residing with me . . . " This wording is unusual & more than ever would suggest that they weren't married. Catherine Fenwick died in Islington - but she was buried in Gravesend Municipal Cemetery, Kent on the 13 Oct 1871 aged 85 years. Thomas James Fenwick , aged 84 years, was also buried there 22 Jul 1850. BonnieB To: Subject: Re Pascoe / Fenwick Hi Bart, Reading the Will found on Ancestry for Thomas James Fenwick - it says " Catherine Pascoe known & reputed as Catherine Fenwick" . . . . I do not think they were married. Normally she would just be called 'my wife Catherine' & the maiden surname name not mentioned - throughout the whole Will she is written as 'Catherine Pascoe'. At the end when proved she is described as "Catherine Pascoe otherwise Fenwick Widow". The possibility is also there that her MS may not be 'Pascoe' - could she also be a widow when they met, was there some reason why they couldn't marry? There are around 17 years difference in their ages Just looked on LDS - there were 5 children called 'Catherine' bapt between 1784-1788 at Helston . . . maybe you could follow those through & see if any married a Pascoe in the time frame alloted. Just some thoughts. Regards . . . . BonnieB ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 1. Catherine Pascoe d:1871 at Islington London [!!!] (Bart Simon) Hello: Does anyone know where she is buried ?. She should be b:1786 (?) and always says she is b. in Helston Cornwall, but no record there it seems. Also no m. entry can be found, she m. Thomas James Fenwick b:1768. Can?t find her bapt. entry anywhere!. Bart.

Hi Bart, Reading the Will found on Ancestry for Thomas James Fenwick - it says " Catherine Pascoe known & reputed as Catherine Fenwick" . . . . I do not think they were married. Normally she would just be called 'my wife Catherine' & the maiden surname name not mentioned - throughout the whole Will she is written as 'Catherine Pascoe'. At the end when proved she is described as "Catherine Pascoe otherwise Fenwick Widow". The possibility is also there that her MS may not be 'Pascoe' - could she also be a widow when they met, was there some reason why they couldn't marry? There are around 17 years difference in their ages Just looked on LDS - there were 5 children called 'Catherine' bapt between 1784-1788 at Helston . . . maybe you could follow those through & see if any married a Pascoe in the time frame alloted. Just some thoughts. Regards . . . . BonnieB ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 1. Catherine Pascoe d:1871 at Islington London [!!!] (Bart Simon) Hello: Does anyone know where she is buried ?. She should be b:1786 (?) and always says she is b. in Helston Cornwall, but no record there it seems. Also no m. entry can be found, she m. Thomas James Fenwick b:1768. Can?t find her bapt. entry anywhere!. Bart.

Hello: Thank you. I am taking it that they never married!. I followed up the William Pascoe 1789, from another close family it seemed, got his parents, then siblings, [Christian Pascoe 1786]: She has to be b. in Helston in 1786 !!!. [Christian Pascoe 1786]: There she is!!!. It has to be her. I am waiting to hear from the other researcher to accept/reject the find. It has to be her. Thanks. Bart. ============================ William + Alice Pascoe [Helston]: Richard Pascoe chr:23-09-1792 Lucretia Pascoe chr:23-06-1776 Christian Pascoe chr:18-04-1786 *** John Pascoe chr:15-04-1781 Alice Pascoe chr:13-02-1774 Alice Pascoe chr:11-04-1784 William Pascoe chr:09-08-1789 *** Peter Pascoe chr:28-06-1778 ============================ -----Original Message-----

Hello: I have managed to go 1gen up on Pascoe tree. Right here precisely where I needed to be, is [Christian Pascoe chr:18-04-1786 Helston]: It is virtually impossible for this not to be her. It will be a transcript error. Thank you, Bart. -----Original Message-----

Dear All, I have quite a substantial tree of the Drew family (since 1790 Aldbourne) and this includes the majority who moved to London. My paternal grandfather was Henry Drew (1829-1892). His youngest son was my grandfather, Robert Drew (1880-1940), he had an older brother Frederick (born 1876 in Mile End), he married Mary Ann Smith (7.10.1901 in Poplar), Every Family tree on Ancestry shows that he died in Sydney, New South Wales, but I have not been able to find from Australia records the arrival of this person or even his death. I know that he lived at 4 Lefevre Road, Bow for a number of years - The Electoral Registers for years at least 1926 through the 1939 show this, and then he simply disappears together with Mary Ann, his wife and his youngest son who lived with them, James Matthew Drew (born in 1914 in Bromley). Do the names above stir anyone's memories. I can find a James Matthew getting married in 1947 to a Joan Plumton in Surrey - but I do not know if this is the son above. If he had any children they would possibly still be alive today? Can anyone help to find this elusive brick in my tree. Thank you for reading this. Regards Tony Drew Canberra A.C.T. Australia

Hello Bart: Not able to help much with Catherine (PASCOE) FENWICK, but have you seen this on Orlando: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orlando_Fenwick This on Pasco: http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Fenwick-363 And this on Thomas James PASCOE, Catherine's husband: http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Fenwick-350 Hope something here is helpful -- Glenys www.quietacre.net

Hello: Thank you for all replies. You can see them here: http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Pascoe-338 . I am basically needing to know her parents. === Catherine Pascoe Fenwick is listed in Census from 1841-1871. 1841 in Gravesend with Thomas. 1850 Thomas died. She is in Gravesend 1861 but retired. 1871 in London living with daughter Rosabelle. Only mentions for her. She d:1871 Islington late in the year aged 85yrs. [Is she with TJ Fenwick on all of them?]: Only 1841, he d:1850. She always said she was b. in Helston. === 1841 - age- 53 (1788) b. ?? 1851 - age- 65 (1786) b. Helston 1861 - age- 74 (1787) b. Helston 1871 - age- ?? b. Helston ===

Hello: Does anyone know where she is buried ?. She should be b:1786 (?) and always says she is b. in Helston Cornwall, but no record there it seems. Also no m. entry can be found, she m. Thomas James Fenwick b:1768. Can’t find her bapt. entry anywhere!. Bart.

Further to my email, below, of 12th June, since then I've tried to contact these again a couple of times, still without success. I'm wondering if any other lister has had more luck recently? Any advice appreciated! Mal in W. Australia -------- Original Message -------- From: - Thu Jun 12 22:11:43 2014 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00800000 X-Mozilla-Keys: Message-ID: <[email protected]> Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2014 22:11:42 +0800 From: mal parr <[email protected]> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: [email protected] Subject: ROMAN CATHOLIC RECORD SOURCES IN LONDON Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm having no success at all in getting a response to two RC records sources in London and wondered if this is just co-incidence, or if others have found the same problem? The first was to the RC Servite Church in Fulham Road - I found the website and used the 'contact us' facility with an initial enquiry and a follow-up some time after, not having heard back. and to date still no reply. The second enquiry was to<[email protected]>, which I assume is the Roman Catholic Diocese of Westminster. Once again, after two emails I haven't received a reply. I wonder if I'm just unlucky and people there are under pressure of work? Would appreciate hearing of anyone who has had similar problems. Mal in W. Australia

http://books.google.co.za/books?id=F6k8AAAAIAAJ&pg=PA393&dq=rainbow+marriages+southwark&hl=en&sa=X&ei=1mQCVK6ZHqaO7AavyYHwCA&ved=0CC4Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=rainbow%20marriages%20southwark&f=false Marriage Insurance Societies (?): Pg. 393: On the image given out for Timothy Newland etc., other words given for this specific region are: Bell(s?), R Bow, Gaol, Duncomb, Vine (?), etc. It is interesting to note on the URL given the names: === [Office on Insurance of Lives, at the Rainbow Coffee House, Cornhill]. === [[[Office of Insurance on Marriages, - a. "Bell Court, Fleet Street," b. "over against St Olave's Church, Southwark"]]]. The RH column says [Nature of Insurance]: Here it seems to be [Marriage Insurance] (?). === [Noble and Honest Society, at the Sign of the Vine, Newgate St.]. === -----Original Message----- Further to Caroline's suggestion, I think "R Bow" very likely means the Rainbow coffee house, which was a venue used for Fleet marriages.

Hello: I am still busy looking at this when I received your question. I am taking it as follows: Timothy Newland of St Olives Southwark Carpinter & Sarah Alport do spr R Bow [R Bow]: Seems to be a place name. [do]: This is undoubtedly to mean [ditto]: If we compare the Timothy Newland record to the 2nd last 29th entry for George Whiting etc., you can note that neither George Whiting or his wife are [from] St. Olaves Southward, and so for each of them their [from] is clearly written. In the case of Timothy Newland, it is written where he is [from], then immediately after his wife’s name the [from] should appear, it does in the form of [do] meaning [ditto] meaning [of the same place]. In every single instance where the [do] is used, no further [from] place name is entered. It would be interesting to get on/off list 2-3 preceding pages to view. =========================== Stupid Question Maybe: If there are so many entries for the 29-06-1729 (19 of them or so), then the marriages could not have taken place in one church surely ?. I suspect either way, the importance of this last piece might show where the actual marriage took place ?. They are all similar venues. Are these marriage registration entries ?. Bart. -----Original Message-----

John, this is very interesting information. Thanks! Frankie In a message dated 8/30/2014 11:28:08 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Further to Caroline's suggestion, I think "R Bow" very likely means the Rainbow coffee house, which was a venue used for Fleet marriages. With best wishes, John Townsend Antiquarian Bookseller/Genealogist http://www.johntownsend.demon.co.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Please use PLAIN TEXT only when replying to the list, and trim away any excess. Any problems, please contact the List Admin: [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It would be helpful to know the complete citation for this record if you have it. frankie- In a message dated 8/30/2014 11:27:31 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Hello: Just trying to help: This seems to be a place, building, site name. There was a piece of land named the "Dolphyn" nearby, and tavern too. "Gaol" is a place name. The first squiggle might be "ye" ?. The 2nd capital letter seems to be a "B". "ye Bow/Boar" ?. The 2nd last entry on the L page has it written better. The 2nd letter there seems to be an "o". The previous 2 sqigg words ("ditto" etc.) might be "at ye", then say a tavern named "ye Boar" ?. Stupid Question Maybe: If there are so many entries for the 29-06-1729 (19 of them or so), then the marriages could not have taken place in one church surely ?. I suspect either way, the importance of this last piece might show where the actual marriage took place ?. They are all similar venues. Are these marriage application entries ?. Bart. -----Original Message----- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Please use PLAIN TEXT only when replying to the list, and trim away any excess. Any problems, please contact the List Admin: [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Further to Caroline's suggestion, I think "R Bow" very likely means the Rainbow coffee house, which was a venue used for Fleet marriages. With best wishes, John Townsend Antiquarian Bookseller/Genealogist http://www.johntownsend.demon.co.uk