Dear All, I think I have knowledge of a daughter of my paternal grandfather's older brother, viz Frederick George Drew (wife Mary Ann (maiden name Smith)) - his daughter born in 1919, Violet Drew. She married Albert E. Littlepage in 1936, registered in Poplar. Then I belive that Frederick George Drew died at his daughter's house in 1961, but she was now called Violet James and her husband was Albert James. Their address then was 30 Dawson Avenue, St. Pauls Cray. The problem lies in the two names of husbands ! I cannot find the death of Littlepage, or the marrage to Albert James recorded anywhere. Is it the same person changing his name or any other answer. Any information would be gratefully received. Regards Tony Drew

It came under the Foreign Office. Lists of consuls can be found in certain official annual publications, including the "Royal Kalendar" and the "British Imperial Calendar". Best wishes, John Townsend Antiquarian Bookseller/Genealogist http://www.johntownsend.demon.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nicholas Wilson via" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2014 1:39 AM Subject: [LON] Consular Service in 1830s > Hello, > > I have by picking here and there found a sparse record of persons serving > in the British consular service in the first half of the 19th century but > would like to know if there is single source I can scan, or the name of > the > Government office I should approach. > > Thanks, > > Nick

Greetings I am seeking any information for the following two girls after 1911 census. Alice Elizabeth BAKER b1894 Holborn and her sister Elizabeth Annie BAKER born 1896 Holborn. They have a half brother James F Baker, born 1909 Holborn In 1911 they were both unmarried living with their father Alfred William BAKER, (and his second wife Ellen MEAGHER) occupation plumber, in St James and St John Clerkenwell. Thanks Glenys

It came under the Foreign Office. Lists of consuls can be found in certain official annual publications, including the "Royal Kalendar" and the "British Imperial Calendar". Best wishes, John Townsend Antiquarian Bookseller/Genealogist http://www.johntownsend.demon.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nicholas Wilson via" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2014 1:39 AM Subject: [LON] Consular Service in 1830s > Hello, > > I have by picking here and there found a sparse record of persons serving > in the British consular service in the first half of the 19th century but > would like to know if there is single source I can scan, or the name of > the > Government office I should approach. > > Thanks, > > Nick

Many thanks Nivard, I think the predictive texting took over as I thought I had put Butlersome! It sounds so weird that it could well be him in the asylum I would think. Thanks for having a look, he obviously didn't make it as a comedian or a green grocer either! I have Butler on my tree and did wonder if he might be just plain Butler. Eileen. Sent from my iPad > On 1 Dec 2014, at 08:00, [email protected] wrote: > > > > This mailing list works in parallel with the London surname interest list on the web at http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/london.html . Check for matching interests and add your own ! > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: 1851 census mystery comedian listed (Nivard Ovington) > 2. Consular Service in 1830s (Nicholas Wilson) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 22:47:22 +0000 > From: Nivard Ovington <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [LON] 1851 census mystery comedian listed > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed > > Hi Eileen > > Not that it helps terribly much but if you look at the 1851 the name is > enumerated as BUTLERSOME > > But does not seem to appear in any other record > > There is a W B of the right age and birthplace in an asylum in 1861 but > as a grocer so perhaps not he > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > >> On 27/11/2014 14:53, eileen/pat via wrote: >> I have just found a copy of the 1851 census for Maidstone in >> Kent.piece HO107 1617 page 45 I obviously had it for a Frances >> Davis listed as a house servant as I had marked it. but I was >> mystified by an entry for a comedian lodging with the Davis family. >> It looks like William Butlerson aged 34 so I thought I would do a >> google but he obviously wasnt famous enough and I wondered if anyone >> had encountered him on other records? Just curious. Eileen. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2014 17:39:59 -0800 > From: Nicholas Wilson <[email protected]> > Subject: [LON] Consular Service in 1830s > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: > <[email protected]om> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Hello, > > I have by picking here and there found a sparse record of persons serving > in the British consular service in the first half of the 19th century but > would like to know if there is single source I can scan, or the name of the > Government office I should approach. > > Thanks, > > Nick > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the LONDON list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the LONDON mailing list, send an email to [email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of LONDON Digest, Vol 9, Issue 161 > **************************************

Hello, I have by picking here and there found a sparse record of persons serving in the British consular service in the first half of the 19th century but would like to know if there is single source I can scan, or the name of the Government office I should approach. Thanks, Nick

Hi Eileen Not that it helps terribly much but if you look at the 1851 the name is enumerated as BUTLERSOME But does not seem to appear in any other record There is a W B of the right age and birthplace in an asylum in 1861 but as a grocer so perhaps not he Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 27/11/2014 14:53, eileen/pat via wrote: > I have just found a copy of the 1851 census for Maidstone in > Kent.piece HO107 1617 page 45 I obviously had it for a Frances > Davis listed as a house servant as I had marked it. but I was > mystified by an entry for a comedian lodging with the Davis family. > It looks like William Butlerson aged 34 so I thought I would do a > google but he obviously wasnt famous enough and I wondered if anyone > had encountered him on other records? Just curious. Eileen.

I have just found a copy of the 1851 census for Maidstone in Kent.piece HO107 1617 page 45 I obviously had it for a Frances Davis listed as a house servant as I had marked it. but I was mystified by an entry for a comedian lodging with the Davis family. It looks like William Butlerson aged 34 so I thought I would do a google but he obviously wasnt famous enough and I wondered if anyone had encountered him on other records? Just curious. Eileen.

Hi all, John Giles POOLE, born 1838, Dublin, married Susan Elizabeth NELSON, born 1841, Hoxton, London on 29 August 1858 St James Parish, Shoreditch. In 1871 I find them living at 14 Richmond Place, Hackney. I am unable to find them on Ancestry in the 1861 census. I have even tried leaving out the surname and checking every entry. I wonder if SKS could check Find My Past to see if they are listed in 1861. I would appreciate any help. Marg >From the Beautiful British Columbia Cariboo Region, Canada

Hello All, I would just like to say a huge “Thank You” to all who took the time offering help with this query. I’m pleased to say that the will has been transcribe. Thanks again Best wishes Pat

Hello, Is there anyone who would be willing to help to decipher a will written in 1816, Please. I have managed some but there are a few words I just can’t make out! Best wishes Pat apologies if this message appears twice

Thank you Christine and Alan for taking the time to look. Unfortunately I do not know the mothers (wifes) name without ordering a cert and was hoping with at least 5 childrens' names to be able to find them on the 1861 and go from there. Yes Alan being born and raised in Canada I am aware that the county names changed frequently and within close proximity of each other could be registered in various places. Yes very hard to try and be a FINN and figure out where I would hide on a census lol. I am sure it is spelt somehow fabulously but thank you for your suggestion. Thanks again all Jackie (Canada) Christine Benson wrote: > Hi Jackie, > > I cannot find them in 1861. More information might help. Such as 1871 > census results, children's birthplaces and/or mother's name. I have > looked on 1871 and found some quite possibles but none of the family > together. The trouble with birthplaces is they change between London > and Middlesex or Surrey and that can make searching more difficult. So > possibly mother's name might be the best way to proceed and for that > you need the birth certificate of one of the children. It might be > best to pick the one for whom you are most sure you have the correct > reference. > > I did find one quite possible entry for Thomas PHINN in 1871. I did > try searching without a surname for some of the children but it was a > bit like searching for a needle in a haystack. > > Good luck > > Christine > > -----Original Message----- From: Jackie Serna via > Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 9:01 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [LON] 1861 census assistance FINN > > Hello all, I am hoping someone (besides myself) with 1861 census access > could have a go at looking for a family for me. I have tried every which > way I can with no success. > > The family name is FINN. > > children are, according to marriages I have found, all show father as > James Finn (occ: Mason) deceased (except on Daniels') > > Margaret @ 1853 married 1876 St Saviour, Battersea Samuel Arnold > Thomas @ 1851 married 1877 St John the Evangelist, Walworth Hannah > Clithero > Daniel @1855 married 1878 St Mary, Bryanston Square Charlotte Rickwood > Kate @1858 married 1884 Christ Church, Chelsea Robert Barns > Henry @1858 married 1887 St John the Evangelist, Walworth Sarah Ann > Taylor > > I believe James himself may have died age 32 in 1866 in Chelsea but > thinking the family should be on 1861. > I am not sure of the mothers (wifes') name. > On the 1881 census for Thomas and Hannah Finn it shows he was born > Walworth Surrey, on 1891 it shows he was born Camberwell London > > Thanks all, any help appreciated > Jackie (Canada) > > >

an excellent idea, another lister told me they went to South Africa in 1897, the same year he married. I have joined the cape town list..... marg -----Original Message----- From: Jennifer Myers Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 2:29 PM To: marg o'leary ; [email protected] Subject: Re: [LON] McCAUL of LONDON 1901 and 1911 and later. Missing! Marg did you search the Scottish census for them.. Jenny -----Original Message----- From: marg o'leary via Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 11:40 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [LON] McCAUL of LONDON 1901 and 1911 and later. Missing! Hi all looking for some ideas to solve this one I have found Francis Joseph Bellas McCAUL born 1868 to Joseph Benjamin McCaul DD and his wife Isabella Carolina WATSON. I find him married 1897, but because I cant find him in 1901 or 1911 census I can’t identify the wife (either Elizabeth Button or Anne Stephens?) I find a war record for him for ww1 he was recorded as a shorthand writer in Holborn prior to the war. Because I can’t find him in the census, I cannot identify any children he might have, No clues in Ancestry. Most grateful for any direction in finding him, particularly his wife and possible family. kind regards Marg O'Leary Port Stephens NSW --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Marg did you search the Scottish census for them.. Jenny -----Original Message----- From: marg o'leary via Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 11:40 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [LON] McCAUL of LONDON 1901 and 1911 and later. Missing! Hi all looking for some ideas to solve this one I have found Francis Joseph Bellas McCAUL born 1868 to Joseph Benjamin McCaul DD and his wife Isabella Carolina WATSON. I find him married 1897, but because I cant find him in 1901 or 1911 census I can’t identify the wife (either Elizabeth Button or Anne Stephens?) I find a war record for him for ww1 he was recorded as a shorthand writer in Holborn prior to the war. Because I can’t find him in the census, I cannot identify any children he might have, No clues in Ancestry. Most grateful for any direction in finding him, particularly his wife and possible family. kind regards Marg O'Leary Port Stephens NSW --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Hi Jackie, I cannot find them in 1861. More information might help. Such as 1871 census results, children's birthplaces and/or mother's name. I have looked on 1871 and found some quite possibles but none of the family together. The trouble with birthplaces is they change between London and Middlesex or Surrey and that can make searching more difficult. So possibly mother's name might be the best way to proceed and for that you need the birth certificate of one of the children. It might be best to pick the one for whom you are most sure you have the correct reference. I did find one quite possible entry for Thomas PHINN in 1871. I did try searching without a surname for some of the children but it was a bit like searching for a needle in a haystack. Good luck Christine -----Original Message----- From: Jackie Serna via Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 9:01 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [LON] 1861 census assistance FINN Hello all, I am hoping someone (besides myself) with 1861 census access could have a go at looking for a family for me. I have tried every which way I can with no success. The family name is FINN. children are, according to marriages I have found, all show father as James Finn (occ: Mason) deceased (except on Daniels') Margaret @ 1853 married 1876 St Saviour, Battersea Samuel Arnold Thomas @ 1851 married 1877 St John the Evangelist, Walworth Hannah Clithero Daniel @1855 married 1878 St Mary, Bryanston Square Charlotte Rickwood Kate @1858 married 1884 Christ Church, Chelsea Robert Barns Henry @1858 married 1887 St John the Evangelist, Walworth Sarah Ann Taylor I believe James himself may have died age 32 in 1866 in Chelsea but thinking the family should be on 1861. I am not sure of the mothers (wifes') name. On the 1881 census for Thomas and Hannah Finn it shows he was born Walworth Surrey, on 1891 it shows he was born Camberwell London Thanks all, any help appreciated Jackie (Canada)

On 21 Oct 2014 02:40, marg o'leary via wrote: > I find him married 1897, but because I cant find him in 1901 or 1911 census > I can’t identify the wife (either Elizabeth Button or Anne Stephens?) Look in the 1901 census for the other couple: Jesse COX and either of the two women. That should, by elimination, identify the wife. -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg

Can SKS help me find where Robert John BRANTON and his wife Mary Ann {Sadd) are living possibly with their first daughter Mary in 1861? They marry in Sept. 1860 from 4 Hague Place, London - St. Matthews but I have been unable to find them on the 1861 using Ancestry. I fear the page may be missing perhaps??? For 4 succeeding census' they live at 14 James Street, MEOT. She is evidently born in London as is Robert John although his father is from Norwich. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Hello all, I am hoping someone (besides myself) with 1861 census access could have a go at looking for a family for me. I have tried every which way I can with no success. The family name is FINN. children are, according to marriages I have found, all show father as James Finn (occ: Mason) deceased (except on Daniels') Margaret @ 1853 married 1876 St Saviour, Battersea Samuel Arnold Thomas @ 1851 married 1877 St John the Evangelist, Walworth Hannah Clithero Daniel @1855 married 1878 St Mary, Bryanston Square Charlotte Rickwood Kate @1858 married 1884 Christ Church, Chelsea Robert Barns Henry @1858 married 1887 St John the Evangelist, Walworth Sarah Ann Taylor I believe James himself may have died age 32 in 1866 in Chelsea but thinking the family should be on 1861. I am not sure of the mothers (wifes') name. On the 1881 census for Thomas and Hannah Finn it shows he was born Walworth Surrey, on 1891 it shows he was born Camberwell London Thanks all, any help appreciated Jackie (Canada)

I didn't realise the military mention was that he joined the east Surrey regiment in 1890. Perhaps this is why he was missing and never heard of again. How would I discover more of the regiment? Would they eb serving overseas eg India? kind regards Marg O'Leary Port Stephens NSW

Hi all looking for some ideas to solve this one I have found Francis Joseph Bellas McCAUL born 1868 to Joseph Benjamin McCaul DD and his wife Isabella Carolina WATSON. I find him married 1897, but because I cant find him in 1901 or 1911 census I can’t identify the wife (either Elizabeth Button or Anne Stephens?) I find a war record for him for ww1 he was recorded as a shorthand writer in Holborn prior to the war. Because I can’t find him in the census, I cannot identify any children he might have, No clues in Ancestry. Most grateful for any direction in finding him, particularly his wife and possible family. kind regards Marg O'Leary Port Stephens NSW