Hi Christine St Lukes should be registered under St Lukes which was a separate registration district then First observation, if you had used a checking point of 1860 (rather than 1st Jan 1860) you may have got the certificate However it may well have been the wrong one, as in 1860 there is another Elizabeth E COURT b1860 born Clerkenwell, which does come under Shoreditch Given the age of the mother (20) in 1861 is it not possible Elizabeth was born before they married (assuming they did) Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 06/02/2015 00:21, Christine Benson via wrote: > Hi All, > > Elizabeth Edith COURT was born c 1860, St Luke, London according to the 1861 > census. She appears to have been the daughter of David Thomas (William) > COURT and ELIZA. She was baptized at Market Lavington, Wiltshire on 18 Aug > 1861 and that gives a birth date of 30 May 1860. That confirms the parents > but unfortunately no image is available so I can't check the dates. (Market > Lavington was her mother's birth place.) > > The only birth I can find that appears to match is for Elizabeth COURT b Q2 > 1860, Shoreditch. > > Does Shoreditch correspond with St Luke? > > I ordered a certificate specifying born 01/01/1860 in London so they would > search a year either side. I think I gave the father's name as David but I > cannot remember exactly and the acknowledgment email does not give those > details. Although I thought it was probably the Shoreditch one I was trying > to get the right one if it wasn't. The GRO say they cannot find a > certificate with the details I specified. Of course they refunded the money. > > So before I order the Shoreditch certificate which is the only one I can > find that matches, (my hope being that he called himself Thomas, say, on the > certificate,) but might well not be the right one, can anyone shed any more > light on the matter, suggest an alternative birth registration, or give any > more useful info. > > (In some censuses she is shown with the surname BENSON as she was "adopted" > by her step-grandfather William BENSON who refers to her in his will as my > adopted daughter.) > > Any help gratefully received > > Christine

Hi All, Elizabeth Edith COURT was born c 1860, St Luke, London according to the 1861 census. She appears to have been the daughter of David Thomas (William) COURT and ELIZA. She was baptized at Market Lavington, Wiltshire on 18 Aug 1861 and that gives a birth date of 30 May 1860. That confirms the parents but unfortunately no image is available so I can't check the dates. (Market Lavington was her mother's birth place.) The only birth I can find that appears to match is for Elizabeth COURT b Q2 1860, Shoreditch. Does Shoreditch correspond with St Luke? I ordered a certificate specifying born 01/01/1860 in London so they would search a year either side. I think I gave the father's name as David but I cannot remember exactly and the acknowledgment email does not give those details. Although I thought it was probably the Shoreditch one I was trying to get the right one if it wasn't. The GRO say they cannot find a certificate with the details I specified. Of course they refunded the money. So before I order the Shoreditch certificate which is the only one I can find that matches, (my hope being that he called himself Thomas, say, on the certificate,) but might well not be the right one, can anyone shed any more light on the matter, suggest an alternative birth registration, or give any more useful info. (In some censuses she is shown with the surname BENSON as she was "adopted" by her step-grandfather William BENSON who refers to her in his will as my adopted daughter.) Any help gratefully received Christine

Hello, I am trying to find out the surname please of Thomas's wife married C1760. I only have christian name of Mary. Their eldest son also Thomas was christened 1761. Thomas & Mary had 9 children and Thomas and Mary are buried in St Benets Pauls Wharf as are a lot of the children. Cheers Gwyneth Sydney

My sister-in-law passed away a few weeks ago and the little bit of history she was researching years back in time have been passed to me. I would welcome any suggestions. The facts I have are these Evelyn Yvonne Cooper born in France 6 May 1921 parents Charles Henry Cooper and his wife Evelyn Elizabeth Lawrence returned to England. 1939 Evelyn now 18 years started her training as a nurse and spent most of her time in Children’s Orthopaedic Hospital Carshalton, Surrey. Her younger brothers and sisters were evacuated to Wales. Their mother died during the years the children were in Wales. My sister in law contacted the Red Cross August 1990 but all they could tell her was last known address was somewhere in Plymouth and there the search ended. One sister now deceased told her that Evelyn had married a Polish chap but nothing else. I am not sure where to go now. I guess BDM’s are the next place to try for the marriage unfortunately we have moved to a small Town in the South Island NZ and the above are simply not here will try the internet. Would be glad of any suggestions. regards Marie

Hi all, My John Walter Stead, a solicitory of Leeds, was admitted into the freedom of the City of London by Redemption in the Company of Feltmakers in 1917. Does anyone know what this may have cost him? I have searched but can't find an answer. Would appreciate any ideas. Marg >From the Beautiful British Columbia Cariboo Region, Canada

Hi Ros, Given your grandmother claimed to have been married in Scotland, she quite possibly may have been. The Scottish irregular marriage was still legal until 1939. All she and her husband had to do was declare in front of witnesses or else live together as if married. The other option was co-habitation with repute ie they were reputedly married. They may not have been living there but may have eloped or just gone there to take advantage of the different laws in Scotland. It's not likely if she was English & lived in England but something you might want to consider Regards, Glenys > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 18:37:48 +0000 > From: Nivard Ovington <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [LON] Change of name in the 1920s > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed > > Hi Ros > > Taking or using another name is entirely legal unless it is to deceive > > My guess would be she used another name but did nothing to change it > officially > > There would be few things that might cause a problem back then and once > accepted she could live her whole life under the other name > > Name change by deed poll was only taken up by a few comparatively, and > even fewer registered that change > > Deed polls were a semi private affair, there is no central list or index > of them, about the only way of finding one is if they registered the > change (London Gazette) or announced the change in one or other newspaper > > Unless you find evidence to the contrary I suspect she used the marriage > in Edinburgh to cover the fact they were not married > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > On 23/01/2015 18:21, Ros Poulson via wrote: >> I wonder if anyone can help me with a problem with my grandmother. She >> claims to have married in 1924 in Edinburgh when both she (and we think >> her "husband") lived in Darlington. There is no trace of the marriage in >> the records. We only have the information about it from a job application >> she completed. Her "husband" apparently died sometime in the 1930s having >> had 3 children with her, the last one n 1933. I am struggling to work out >> who he was as we only have his name and no-one fits what we know of him. >> Her family were unaware of any marriage but she does seem to have left >> the family home in the early 1920s and had no contact with them until the >> 1960s when my grandmother had a major stroke and my uncle sought out her >> sister. >> >> My question is whether she might have changed her name without ever >> marrying, perhaps because he was already married, or because there is >> no-one of the name she took. I have read the information the National >> Archives publishes and it is clear from that that unofficial name changes >> are quite common. However, my grandmother worked in the civil service and >> the marriage details are on the job application she completed for that. >> Is is realistic to think she could have given false details in getting >> that job in the 1930s? And then could she have used an unoffically >> adopted name until she died in 1975? I suppose if she was employed in >> that name then her salary and pension would be in that name. I am >> struggling to think how she did it but perhaps that is because proof of >> identity is such a thing now. >> >> I should say I haven't been able to go to Kew yet to see if there is any >> record of a a change of name by deed poll. I'm really interested in any >> views people have on how likely it is she just started to use his name >> and did so for the rest of her life without it seeminly ever causing her >> any problems. >> >> Ros Poulson > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the LONDON list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the LONDON mailing list, send an email to > [email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of LONDON Digest, Vol 10, Issue 7 > *************************************

I think I am researching the same family: Edward Woodman b.1828 Leighton Buzzard, Uxbridge, Bedfordshire, d. 1906 Father- Thomas Woodman b. 1801 d. 1864 Leighton Buzzard Mother- Mary Elizabeth Woodman (nee Goodman) b.1801. I was wondering if anyone has Thomas Woodman's death certificate? That may reveal where he was born. Regards, Roger Finlay

Hi Ros Taking or using another name is entirely legal unless it is to deceive My guess would be she used another name but did nothing to change it officially There would be few things that might cause a problem back then and once accepted she could live her whole life under the other name Name change by deed poll was only taken up by a few comparatively, and even fewer registered that change Deed polls were a semi private affair, there is no central list or index of them, about the only way of finding one is if they registered the change (London Gazette) or announced the change in one or other newspaper Unless you find evidence to the contrary I suspect she used the marriage in Edinburgh to cover the fact they were not married Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 23/01/2015 18:21, Ros Poulson via wrote: > I wonder if anyone can help me with a problem with my grandmother. She claims to have married in 1924 in Edinburgh when both she (and we think her "husband") lived in Darlington. There is no trace of the marriage in the records. We only have the information about it from a job application she completed. Her "husband" apparently died sometime in the 1930s having had 3 children with her, the last one n 1933. I am struggling to work out who he was as we only have his name and no-one fits what we know of him. Her family were unaware of any marriage but she does seem to have left the family home in the early 1920s and had no contact with them until the 1960s when my grandmother had a major stroke and my uncle sought out her sister. > > My question is whether she might have changed her name without ever marrying, perhaps because he was already married, or because there is no-one of the name she took. I have read the information the National Archives publishes and it is clear from that that unofficial name changes are quite common. However, my grandmother worked in the civil service and the marriage details are on the job application she completed for that. Is is realistic to think she could have given false details in getting that job in the 1930s? And then could she have used an unoffically adopted name until she died in 1975? I suppose if she was employed in that name then her salary and pension would be in that name. I am struggling to think how she did it but perhaps that is because proof of identity is such a thing now. > > I should say I haven't been able to go to Kew yet to see if there is any record of a a change of name by deed poll. I'm really interested in any views people have on how likely it is she just started to use his name and did so for the rest of her life without it seeminly ever causing her any problems. > > Ros Poulson

I wonder if anyone can help me with a problem with my grandmother. She claims to have married in 1924 in Edinburgh when both she (and we think her "husband") lived in Darlington. There is no trace of the marriage in the records. We only have the information about it from a job application she completed. Her "husband" apparently died sometime in the 1930s having had 3 children with her, the last one n 1933. I am struggling to work out who he was as we only have his name and no-one fits what we know of him. Her family were unaware of any marriage but she does seem to have left the family home in the early 1920s and had no contact with them until the 1960s when my grandmother had a major stroke and my uncle sought out her sister. My question is whether she might have changed her name without ever marrying, perhaps because he was already married, or because there is no-one of the name she took. I have read the information the National Archives publishes and it is clear from that that unofficial name changes are quite common. However, my grandmother worked in the civil service and the marriage details are on the job application she completed for that. Is is realistic to think she could have given false details in getting that job in the 1930s? And then could she have used an unoffically adopted name until she died in 1975? I suppose if she was employed in that name then her salary and pension would be in that name. I am struggling to think how she did it but perhaps that is because proof of identity is such a thing now. I should say I haven't been able to go to Kew yet to see if there is any record of a a change of name by deed poll. I'm really interested in any views people have on how likely it is she just started to use his name and did so for the rest of her life without it seeminly ever causing her any problems. Ros Poulson

Hi Roger Unfortunately English Death certs don't give place of birth. Have you not got him in the census of 1851 & 1861? These should give his place of birth, or at least where he thought he was born. HTH Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: "roger Finlay via" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2015 11:31 AM Subject: [LON] Woodman - VOL. 10, issue 5 >I think I am researching the same family: > Edward Woodman b.1828 Leighton Buzzard, Uxbridge, Bedfordshire, d. 1906 > Father- Thomas Woodman b. 1801 d. 1864 Leighton Buzzard > Mother- Mary Elizabeth Woodman (nee Goodman) b.1801. > I was wondering if anyone has Thomas Woodman's death certificate? That > may reveal where he was born. > > Regards, > > Roger Finlay > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Please use PLAIN TEXT only when replying to the list, and trim away any > excess. > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Looking for information on the above school where my Uncle, Charles Taylor attended. In 1930 he was in Std 7. The headmaster at that stage was Ernest J Bloom. Would be interested in anything about this school and especially perhaps where the records are held. Liz Martin New Zealand --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

Find my Past has been digitizing the Archives of Westminster, the last time I heard. By the way, what is an AT? Melba ---- Gilbert Murray via <[email protected]> wrote: > Can anyone tell me if there are AT's or BT's of early marriages on the > Mosquito Coast and in Belize, British Honduras at the Westminster Archives, > and if not, where these records might be located? > > Thanks, > Sonia Murray > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Please use PLAIN TEXT only when replying to the list, and trim away any excess. > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Can anyone tell me if there are AT's or BT's of early marriages on the Mosquito Coast and in Belize, British Honduras at the Westminster Archives, and if not, where these records might be located? Thanks, Sonia Murray

I feel so stupid! I have Hammersmith written down, so why on earth I put Kensington I have no idea. Thanks Judy Ruth -----Original Message----- From: Judy Lester [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 19 January 2015 12:30 To: 'Ruth'; 'LONDON Mailing List' Subject: RE: [LON] Marriage - St Paul, Kensington Ruth, According to Genuki, St Paul Kensington, didn't open until 1859. According to the LDS film number, the marriage was at St Paul, Hammersmith. The registers are held at Hammersmith & Fulham Archives and are not online. The archives staff will probably do a lookup for you, but it may be cheaper to order the certificate. HTH Judy London, UK

Ruth, According to Genuki, St Paul Kensington, didn't open until 1859. According to the LDS film number, the marriage was at St Paul, Hammersmith. The registers are held at Hammersmith & Fulham Archives and are not online. The archives staff will probably do a lookup for you, but it may be cheaper to order the certificate. HTH Judy London, UK -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ruth via Does SKS have access to the marriage register for St Paul's Kensington for 1845? I would appreciate details of the entry for George Edward REDER and Maria SAUNDER on 08 June. Later registers are on Ancestry but they don't start until 1862. LDS only provides basic information on date and names of the parties, as does FMP.

Does SKS have access to the marriage register for St Paul's Kensington for 1845? I would appreciate details of the entry for George Edward REDER and Maria SAUNDER on 08 June. Later registers are on Ancestry but they don't start until 1862. LDS only provides basic information on date and names of the parties, as does FMP. Many thanks Ruth

Whilst looking for an ancestor of mine in the 1861 census I came across 'nurse child' as a description in the relative column. This child, Ann Hockings, was 10 at the time, and also described as a scholar, her two sisters were there as well, also described as 'nurse child'. Has anybody come across this before. The census was for registration district Chelsea, chelsea north west, ed 15 , household 198, piece 35, folio 35, page 29, (Ann was not my relative after all, but just interested). Lynn Peter from my IPad

Hi Lynn Nurse child is a quite common term found in the census Think foster child before the days of official adoption/fostering Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 15/01/2015 17:46, Lynn Kitson via wrote: > > Whilst looking for an ancestor of mine in the 1861 census I came across 'nurse child' as a description in the relative column. This child, Ann Hockings, was 10 at the time, and also described as a scholar, her two sisters were there as well, also described as 'nurse child'. Has anybody come across this before. The census was for registration district Chelsea, chelsea north west, ed 15 , household 198, piece 35, folio 35, page 29, (Ann was not my relative after all, but just interested). > > Lynn

There are WOODMAN's in London who have links to the Uxbridge, WOODMAN's way back in the early 1800's. In the 1841 John Woodman who is a Farmer living on Bertram? farm, Ickenham. His wife Anne has two small children and her husbands brother and Henry who is 15 are living with them. I believe Henry was boarding with them as well as helping out on the farm. and could be John's nephew. I have been trying to find who Henry's parents were and were they from London or where? April

Hello, I'm looking for a christening record for Samuel Wittey born 1814 in Islington, Middlesex, England. Son of Samuel Wittey & Maria Faircloth. H edied 27 Feb 1873 at Devizes, Wiltshire. Thanks in advance for any help or suggestions. Regards, Gwen Sperry