Sometimes the stupid questions help: Did your father have any siblings - Male? the DNA would be useful there but not for detail like identifying positively any specific relative. On 07/07/2015 10:48 AM, Eve Ferguson via wrote: > Hello All > > Does anyone know if I can, as a female with no Brothers, find the race/origins of my Paternal Grandfather with the > > newer DNA tests? > > I have my Fathers Maternal line back to 1480 but I have no idea who my Grandfather was, which leaves a whole section of my Tree > > blank. > > I have searched all the records available but "Father unknown" on my Fathers BC seems to be the "end" unless DNA can show origins, not much but > > better than nothing. > > Thank you for any information > > Eve Ferguson > For Information on this list, or to unsubscribe go to http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/ENG/LONDON.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > -- *Mick Gurling* /[email protected]/ (203) 804-1822

Hi Eve, As far as I know the only 2 tests available to you are mtDNA (maternal line) and Autosomal (Family Finder). The second is the only one at all useful to you for what you want. But it is very hit and miss. You might be lucky and find a first paternal cousin has also tested. But the chances are you will end up with a list of names which you cannot connect to you. That is my situation at present. However, DNA tests are becoming more popular and as they do it will be easier to match. Also, if you could get a maternal relative (not sibling) to test then any matches you both share are highly unlikely to have anything to do with your paternal line. You will get your ethnic mix with this test (at least with the firm I tested with). But I know of no easy answer. Christine -----Original Message----- From: Eve Ferguson via Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2015 3:48 PM To: London London Subject: [LONDON] DNA Hello All Does anyone know if I can, as a female with no Brothers, find the race/origins of my Paternal Grandfather with the newer DNA tests? I have my Fathers Maternal line back to 1480 but I have no idea who my Grandfather was, which leaves a whole section of my Tree blank. I have searched all the records available but "Father unknown" on my Fathers BC seems to be the "end" unless DNA can show origins, not much but better than nothing. Thank you for any information Eve Ferguson

Hello All Does anyone know if I can, as a female with no Brothers, find the race/origins of my Paternal Grandfather with the newer DNA tests? I have my Fathers Maternal line back to 1480 but I have no idea who my Grandfather was, which leaves a whole section of my Tree blank. I have searched all the records available but "Father unknown" on my Fathers BC seems to be the "end" unless DNA can show origins, not much but better than nothing. Thank you for any information Eve Ferguson

Dennis, I am sure we have corresponded before over the Galley/Gally/Galli surname as fellow Italian researchers! A quick search of FreeBMD http://www.freebmd.org.uk/ reveals two births in the Registration district of Mile End John Galley September Quarter 1863 John Henry Galley March Quater 1868 The obvious choice for London Italians is St Peter's in Clerkenwell which was formed in 1863. The Anglo Italian FHS have been transcribing the records & it might be worth asking the AIFHS. Regards Julie Goucher Guild Registered name - ORLANDO Regards, Julie Goucher www.anglersrest.net www.anglers-rest.net On 6 July 2015 at 12:46, Dennis Galley via <[email protected]> wrote: > I am trying to find a birth record for John GALLEY (or GALLY/GALLI), son of > Silvester John (James) GALLY and Mary Ann HARE (or Ayres), who was born > about July, 1868 in either Whitechapel or Mile End. > > I ordered a certified copy of an entry of birth from the GRO, but they can't > find any record of the birth. > > The 1871 census for Tower Hamlets shows a John GALLY, age 29 (which I'm sure > is 2 years, 9 months) living at 1 Roberts Place, and the place of birth is > Mile End. > The 1881 census for Tower Hamlets shows a John GULLEY, age 13 living at 3 > Roberts Place, and the place of birth is Whitechapel. > The 1891 census for Leytonstone, Essex shows a John GALLEY age 22 living at > 14 Burgess Rd., Leyton, Essex and the place of birth is Commercial Rd., > London > The 1901 census for Leytonstone, Essex shows a John GALLERY age 32 living at > 71 Southwell Grove Rd., Leyton and the place of birth is Whitechapel. > The 1911 census for Leytonstone, Essex shows a John GALLEY age 43 living at > 8 Southwell Grove Rd., Leytonstone and the place of birth is Whitechapel. > > I believe that part of Commercial Rd lies in Whitechapel, so it would appear > that 4 of the 5 census show John as being born @ Whitechapel. > > Can anyone help? > > Dennis Galley, > Port Elgin, Ontario, > Canada > > For Information on this list, or to unsubscribe go to http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/ENG/LONDON.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am trying to find a birth record for John GALLEY (or GALLY/GALLI), son of Silvester John (James) GALLY and Mary Ann HARE (or Ayres), who was born about July, 1868 in either Whitechapel or Mile End. I ordered a certified copy of an entry of birth from the GRO, but they can't find any record of the birth. The 1871 census for Tower Hamlets shows a John GALLY, age 29 (which I'm sure is 2 years, 9 months) living at 1 Roberts Place, and the place of birth is Mile End. The 1881 census for Tower Hamlets shows a John GULLEY, age 13 living at 3 Roberts Place, and the place of birth is Whitechapel. The 1891 census for Leytonstone, Essex shows a John GALLEY age 22 living at 14 Burgess Rd., Leyton, Essex and the place of birth is Commercial Rd., London The 1901 census for Leytonstone, Essex shows a John GALLERY age 32 living at 71 Southwell Grove Rd., Leyton and the place of birth is Whitechapel. The 1911 census for Leytonstone, Essex shows a John GALLEY age 43 living at 8 Southwell Grove Rd., Leytonstone and the place of birth is Whitechapel. I believe that part of Commercial Rd lies in Whitechapel, so it would appear that 4 of the 5 census show John as being born @ Whitechapel. Can anyone help? Dennis Galley, Port Elgin, Ontario, Canada

Can anyone tell me what JRFH is? I believe he had a government job later at the Admiralty. 1891 census at 63 Kirkwood Rd. Camberwell, Peckham William J. Lock age 53 manager fish salesman born Southwark wife Hannah age 43 born Maidstone William T.J. Lock age 14 Boy copyist JRFH? born Peckham Thanks Ida

On 01/07/2015 12:44 PM, Dianna O'Loughlin via wrote: > The recently released convict records on FMP have shown where my great granduncle was sent between conviction at the Old Bailey in 1848 and despatch to VDL in 1850. > A London lad he was initially sent to Millbank Prison. After a few month he was sent to Wakefield Jail. After a few more months he was sent to Portland which had recently opened specifically for convicts. > He finally embarked at Plymouth. > My query is how were these prisoners transferred the long distance between these jails? Many were transferred from Wakefield to Portland on the same day. > Did they have “prison vans” of some sort? I can remember reading in a Dickens novel (possibly Great Expectations) of two prisoners shackled on a regular stage coach but the numbers involved would seem to make this not possible on a regular basis. > Does anyone know of a book on the subject? Any clues welcome. > Thanks > Dianna > By this time, Wakefield was on the railway, but (I think) Southampton or Gosport was the nearest to Portland. Thence boat was probably the easiest route. Otherwise Dorchester and then overland. Wakefield to Dorset by rail would have entailed travelling via London. Possibly, if sufficient numbers were involved, for this same day shipment from Wakefield to Portland a special train would be employed. Kind regards, John Henley

Dianna, Prisoners were transported in a horse-drawn prison van, known as a 'Black Maria'. The same name is still sometimes used for the modern motorised vehicle. Philip Priestley's 'Victorian Prison Lives' is a good read. Extracts are online here ... http://bit.ly/1JwHzMg HTH Judy London, UK -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dianna O'Loughlin via The recently released convict records on FMP have shown where my great granduncle was sent between conviction at the Old Bailey in 1848 and despatch to VDL in 1850. A London lad he was initially sent to Millbank Prison. After a few month he was sent to Wakefield Jail. After a few more months he was sent to Portland which had recently opened specifically for convicts. He finally embarked at Plymouth. My query is how were these prisoners transferred the long distance between these jails? Many were transferred from Wakefield to Portland on the same day. Did they have “prison vans” of some sort? I can remember reading in a Dickens novel (possibly Great Expectations) of two prisoners shackled on a regular stage coach but the numbers involved would seem to make this not possible on a regular basis. Does anyone know of a book on the subject? Any clues welcome.

The recently released convict records on FMP have shown where my great granduncle was sent between conviction at the Old Bailey in 1848 and despatch to VDL in 1850. A London lad he was initially sent to Millbank Prison. After a few month he was sent to Wakefield Jail. After a few more months he was sent to Portland which had recently opened specifically for convicts. He finally embarked at Plymouth. My query is how were these prisoners transferred the long distance between these jails? Many were transferred from Wakefield to Portland on the same day. Did they have “prison vans” of some sort? I can remember reading in a Dickens novel (possibly Great Expectations) of two prisoners shackled on a regular stage coach but the numbers involved would seem to make this not possible on a regular basis. Does anyone know of a book on the subject? Any clues welcome. Thanks Dianna

Many thanks to all who have replied with image. Address quoted in workhouse record very useful. John

Hi I've let my Ancestry.co.uk sub expire through lack of use but have discovered today that a record may be of interest to me. If I search for "Jno Hollyhome" born 1801 there is a record under 'London, England Poor Law Records". I would be grateful if anyone could send me the image. Many thanks John

I am trying to identify the people and location of the house in two old family photos.(Click on dropbox links below). A Citroen car appears in front of their home, which is said to be on the banks of the R.Thames.In the front seat of the car photo is my great aunt and her husband, and in the back seat her daughter ,who is also in the other photo with her two sons.Names not known other than the great Aunt's maiden name.(Crossen & variants,Crosby or McCrossen?).A deceased aunt wrote on the photos inter alia "on the banks of the Thames River".Where on the Thames is not known.Careful scrutiny of a sign on the house gate has convinced me that a partially obscured letter is a U = ulverton,so maybe Dulverton or Bulverton which may help identifying the house.The type A Citroen Car was first manufactured in 1921,therefore the photo was taken sometime after that year.Their clothes suggest maybe mid 1920's to early 1930's. I have no other info.so any help leading to the location of the house or people would be very much appreciated, Trev. NZ https://www.dropbox.com/sc/wbdioizksrl5xqa/AABpC1tBMJqhQHCF8DUT3khja & https://www.dropbox.com/sc/lztrvatuslko1ge/AACM4Roq2tH6cxvPvJ2E6kV0a .

I think the first partly visible letter could be an O, giving (eg) Wolverton. Then the right-hand gate could say House/Lodge/ etc. If it is in England, there is a Wolverton Avenue in Kingston-upon-Thames, with a Wolverton House in it; I haven't been able to identify it with a quick look, but you could play with google maps and images. (I tried there first because of family associations of my own; but there could be masses of other possibilities.) Good hunting Gillian On 21/06/2015 21:54, Trev via wrote: > I am trying to identify the people and location of the house in two > old family photos.(Click on dropbox links below). A Citroen car appears > in front of their home, which is said to be on the banks of the > R.Thames.In the front seat of the car photo is my great aunt and her > husband, and in the back seat her daughter ,who is also in the other > photo with her two sons.Names not known other than the great Aunt's > maiden name.(Crossen & variants,Crosby or McCrossen?).A deceased aunt > wrote on the photos inter alia "on the banks of the Thames River".Where > on the Thames is not known.Careful scrutiny of a sign on the house gate > has convinced me that a partially obscured letter is a U = ulverton,so > maybe Dulverton or Bulverton which may help identifying the house.The > type A Citroen Car was first manufactured in 1921,therefore the photo > was taken sometime after that year.Their clothes suggest maybe mid > 1920's to early 1930's. > I have no other info.so any help leading to the location of the house or > people would be very much appreciated, > > Trev. NZ > > https://www.dropbox.com/sc/wbdioizksrl5xqa/AABpC1tBMJqhQHCF8DUT3khja & > https://www.dropbox.com/sc/lztrvatuslko1ge/AACM4Roq2tH6cxvPvJ2E6kV0a . > For Information on this list, or to unsubscribe go to http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/ENG/LONDON.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thank you for this link Rosemary! I had found the Cockney site, but not this one. -----Original Message----- From: Rosemary via Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2015 5:26 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [LONDON] Ellen Carter I'm not sure if the East of London Family History Society covers this area but it's worth taking a look http://www.eolfhs.org.uk/ Rosemary On 6/21/2015 4:19 PM, Bob Ellis via wrote: > I have the following from the LMA through Ancestry, in the London, > England, > Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906, showing Register of Births in the > Workhouse > of the Parish of St. Pancras. Captain T. Miller, Master. Date 1888, June > 25. > Female, Name of Parents or Mother: Carter, Ellen, Legitimate, In what name > Baptised: Ellen. Also, I have in the 1891 census: William Carter Age 24, > b, > abt 1867, Head. Spouse Ellen Carter, Bethnal Green, Parish St. Jude, > London. > Reg. Dist. Bethnal Green, ED 17b Piece 260 Folio 89, Page 6. Ellen Carter > 21 > and Ellen Carter 2. After that William and Ellen (the parents) become > William & Ellen Holmes. The daughter later becomes Ellen Wilbraham and her > daughter gives her death and birth as: Ellen Wilbraham, October 1, 1971 B. > January 19, 1888, London. I had asked before about haveing the LMA staff > do > a search for more information and was advised that I should have something > for them to work on. I still can't find any previous sitings for either > William or Ellen, but I don't want to give up. If someone has done > searches > at the LMA, I thought they might have some suggestions as to what they > think > I might have the staff look for. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you. > Bob Ellis, Canada. > > For Information on this list, or to unsubscribe go to > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/ENG/LONDON.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message For Information on this list, or to unsubscribe go to http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/ENG/LONDON.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have the following from the LMA through Ancestry, in the London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906, showing Register of Births in the Workhouse of the Parish of St. Pancras. Captain T. Miller, Master. Date 1888, June 25. Female, Name of Parents or Mother: Carter, Ellen, Legitimate, In what name Baptised: Ellen. Also, I have in the 1891 census: William Carter Age 24, b, abt 1867, Head. Spouse Ellen Carter, Bethnal Green, Parish St. Jude, London. Reg. Dist. Bethnal Green, ED 17b Piece 260 Folio 89, Page 6. Ellen Carter 21 and Ellen Carter 2. After that William and Ellen (the parents) become William & Ellen Holmes. The daughter later becomes Ellen Wilbraham and her daughter gives her death and birth as: Ellen Wilbraham, October 1, 1971 B. January 19, 1888, London. I had asked before about haveing the LMA staff do a search for more information and was advised that I should have something for them to work on. I still can't find any previous sitings for either William or Ellen, but I don't want to give up. If someone has done searches at the LMA, I thought they might have some suggestions as to what they think I might have the staff look for. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you. Bob Ellis, Canada.

Hi Trev, Could it also be Milverton? Any chance that they were in Canada? There is a River Thames in London, Ontario, and Milverton is a town close by, although I dont know if it is on the Thames. Architecture is typical late Victorian in Canada. On Sunday, June 21, 2015, Trev via <[email protected]> wrote: > I am trying to identify the people and location of the house in two > old family photos.(Click on dropbox links below). A Citroen car appears > in front of their home, which is said to be on the banks of the > R.Thames.In the front seat of the car photo is my great aunt and her > husband, and in the back seat her daughter ,who is also in the other > photo with her two sons.Names not known other than the great Aunt's > maiden name.(Crossen & variants,Crosby or McCrossen?).A deceased aunt > wrote on the photos inter alia "on the banks of the Thames River".Where > on the Thames is not known.Careful scrutiny of a sign on the house gate > has convinced me that a partially obscured letter is a U = ulverton,so > maybe Dulverton or Bulverton which may help identifying the house.The > type A Citroen Car was first manufactured in 1921,therefore the photo > was taken sometime after that year.Their clothes suggest maybe mid > 1920's to early 1930's. > I have no other info.so any help leading to the location of the house or > people would be very much appreciated, > > Trev. NZ > > https://www.dropbox.com/sc/wbdioizksrl5xqa/AABpC1tBMJqhQHCF8DUT3khja & > https://www.dropbox.com/sc/lztrvatuslko1ge/AACM4Roq2tH6cxvPvJ2E6kV0a . > For Information on this list, or to unsubscribe go to > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/ENG/LONDON.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] <javascript:;> with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I'm not sure if the East of London Family History Society covers this area but it's worth taking a look http://www.eolfhs.org.uk/ Rosemary On 6/21/2015 4:19 PM, Bob Ellis via wrote: > I have the following from the LMA through Ancestry, in the London, England, > Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906, showing Register of Births in the Workhouse > of the Parish of St. Pancras. Captain T. Miller, Master. Date 1888, June 25. > Female, Name of Parents or Mother: Carter, Ellen, Legitimate, In what name > Baptised: Ellen. Also, I have in the 1891 census: William Carter Age 24, b, > abt 1867, Head. Spouse Ellen Carter, Bethnal Green, Parish St. Jude, London. > Reg. Dist. Bethnal Green, ED 17b Piece 260 Folio 89, Page 6. Ellen Carter 21 > and Ellen Carter 2. After that William and Ellen (the parents) become > William & Ellen Holmes. The daughter later becomes Ellen Wilbraham and her > daughter gives her death and birth as: Ellen Wilbraham, October 1, 1971 B. > January 19, 1888, London. I had asked before about haveing the LMA staff do > a search for more information and was advised that I should have something > for them to work on. I still can't find any previous sitings for either > William or Ellen, but I don't want to give up. If someone has done searches > at the LMA, I thought they might have some suggestions as to what they think > I might have the staff look for. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you. > Bob Ellis, Canada. > > For Information on this list, or to unsubscribe go to http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/ENG/LONDON.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I suggest that you try Scottish records but maybe you have already tried that. Singer had a factory there. Kay -----Original Message----- From: Trev via Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 4:33 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [LON] CROSSEN family -help please. I have been researching my G.Grandfather,William Alexander CROSSEN for many years .The little I have largely relates to his son of the same name and derives from the son's Marriage. Cert.15 Jan.1898,in Wellington,NZ.which records him as ,blacksmith,aged 24.bn. London and parents William Alexander CROSSEN and Julia Anna BLOWMAN.According to deceased family members,William(senior) met his wife(?) Julia Anna BLOWMAN whilst traveling for the Singer Sewing Machine Co. in Russia( I have a researcher in USA checking Singer records for the father-to date nothing found and cost of same may bring it to a halt ). The son's life in NZ has been thoroughly researched and yields little info.on the parents.. He was said to be the black sheep of the family and my grandmother divorced him in 1921 in NZ. My G.Grandfather had a daughter as well as the son, and 2 photos(see Links) show her and her husband and their daughter in their car,in front of their house, in one photo and in the other photo the daughter(i.e. my grandfather's niece) is shown again with her 2 sons in the same house on the Thames River.Names are not known.A sign on the gate (partially obscured reads... ulverton.Photo of car taken sometime after 1919 when Type A Citroen was first manufactured.Consensus is the photo was taken late 1820's to early1830'sDetails of the sister's name, birth,marriage and family are not known and all I have are the 2 photos as in the 2 drop box links: https://www.dropbox.com/sc/wbdioizksrl5xqa/AABpC1tBMJqhQHCF8DUT3khja & https://www.dropbox.com/sc/lztrvatuslko1ge/AACM4Roq2tH6cxvPvJ2E6kV0a ...Photos came from an aunt,long deceased. Guessing their ages I came up with: Older son =14years His mother = 45 years Her mother= 65 to 70 years. Assuming the photo was taken about c1930, the mother(sister of my grandfather and the older lady in the car) would have been born 1860 to 1865.I would value more opinions as to the ages of the people in the car and/or when the photo was taken. I have used Ancestry,Family Search,free BMD etc for checking on the Census's etc.but no luck.I have also used many variants of Crossen and also McCrossen and Crosby,the latter apparently is the English version of Crossen. I also purchased a number of GRO Birth/Marriage Certificates for a female Crossen but the correct parents not found.I also featured the photos in two English Genealogy Magazines in the hope that some one would recognize the family. In asking for help from the list,I realize there is so little to work on but hopefully some one may have suggestions as to further research and guestimates as to ages of the people in the pics. Please contact me with any queries Thanks in anticipation. Trev. Valler. NZ --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have been researching my G.Grandfather,William Alexander CROSSEN for many years .The little I have largely relates to his son of the same name and derives from the son's Marriage. Cert.15 Jan.1898,in Wellington,NZ.which records him as ,blacksmith,aged 24.bn. London and parents William Alexander CROSSEN and Julia Anna BLOWMAN.According to deceased family members,William(senior) met his wife(?) Julia Anna BLOWMAN whilst traveling for the Singer Sewing Machine Co. in Russia( I have a researcher in USA checking Singer records for the father-to date nothing found and cost of same may bring it to a halt ). The son's life in NZ has been thoroughly researched and yields little info.on the parents.. He was said to be the black sheep of the family and my grandmother divorced him in 1921 in NZ. My G.Grandfather had a daughter as well as the son, and 2 photos(see Links) show her and her husband and their daughter in their car,in front of their house, in one photo and in the other photo the daughter(i.e. my grandfather's niece) is shown again with her 2 sons in the same house on the Thames River.Names are not known.A sign on the gate (partially obscured reads... ulverton.Photo of car taken sometime after 1919 when Type A Citroen was first manufactured.Consensus is the photo was taken late 1820's to early1830'sDetails of the sister's name, birth,marriage and family are not known and all I have are the 2 photos as in the 2 drop box links: https://www.dropbox.com/sc/wbdioizksrl5xqa/AABpC1tBMJqhQHCF8DUT3khja & https://www.dropbox.com/sc/lztrvatuslko1ge/AACM4Roq2tH6cxvPvJ2E6kV0a ...Photos came from an aunt,long deceased. Guessing their ages I came up with: Older son =14years His mother = 45 years Her mother= 65 to 70 years. Assuming the photo was taken about c1930, the mother(sister of my grandfather and the older lady in the car) would have been born 1860 to 1865.I would value more opinions as to the ages of the people in the car and/or when the photo was taken. I have used Ancestry,Family Search,free BMD etc for checking on the Census's etc.but no luck.I have also used many variants of Crossen and also McCrossen and Crosby,the latter apparently is the English version of Crossen. I also purchased a number of GRO Birth/Marriage Certificates for a female Crossen but the correct parents not found.I also featured the photos in two English Genealogy Magazines in the hope that some one would recognize the family. In asking for help from the list,I realize there is so little to work on but hopefully some one may have suggestions as to further research and guestimates as to ages of the people in the pics. Please contact me with any queries Thanks in anticipation. Trev. Valler. NZ --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

Westminster Cathedral opened in 1903. The predecessor church was St Mary, Horseferry Road, but according to the register transcripts he was not baptised there. Given the circumstances, it is possible that the baptism was performed privately at home. Judy London, UK -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of mo1rauk via Might the baptism have been held at the Roman Catholic Westminster Cathedral? Or was the baptism at a time when there were rules against Catholics. -------- Original message -------- From: Nicholas Wilson via <[email protected]> Subject: [LON] re. ROMAN CATHOLIC BAPTISMS London 1814 Further to my earlier email on this subject it has been suggested I post the fellow's name. It is FREDERICK CLAUDIUS JOHN PARKINSON. His father was John P. of the Consular Service and his mother, Frances, the illegitimate daughter of John Thomas Foster, the then husband of Lady Elizabeth Foster,nee Hervey, who later was to become the Duchess of Devonshire upon her friend, Georgiana's death. My thanks to Judy and Rosemary for their help. Nick