Hi Listers, I have found in the records for Sun Insurance in the National Archives my ancestors insuring property. If I apply for the records what would it tell me and as I live in Australia, how to do I go about it and what would be the costs ? Thanks, Maureen in Oz

Maureen, The records are held at London Metropolitan Archives (not the National Archives, which simply hosts the catalogue). The Sun Fire Insurance source is a register of policies issued, not the policies themselves. Each entry is about 6-8 lines long and states in generalised terms what is insured (buildings, contents), the sum insured, the premium paid, and any renewal date. There is normally no family information, but the entries do give you a general idea of the policy-holder's circumstances. Here is a sample entry (from my notes): ========= Ms. 11936/491/1001174 29 Jan 1823 George Mazey of No. 8 Choppins Court Old Gravel Lane Gent. On his household goods in his now dwelling house only situate as aforesaid Brick & timber £100 Wearing apparel therein only £70 Plate therein only £30 [Total insured value] £200 ========= You can, if you wish, order a copy of the register entry from LMA, quoting the catalogue reference, but I think they will charge their standard hourly research rate (GBP 60.00). [email protected] HTH Judy London, UK -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Maureen Farrer via Sent: 24 October 2015 06:48 To: [email protected] Subject: [LONDON] Fire Insurance Hi Listers, I have found in the records for Sun Insurance in the National Archives my ancestors insuring property. If I apply for the records what would it tell me and as I live in Australia, how to do I go about it and what would be the costs ? Thanks, Maureen in Oz

Hi Maureen This might give some information re content; http://www.genguide.co.uk/source/fire-insurance-registers-plans-and-maps/89/ and this; http://www.londonlives.org/static/AHDSFIR.jsp Is there not an option to order from the record on the national Archives website? Otherwise this might help; https://apps.nationalarchives.gov.uk/recordcopying/ Andy From: Maureen Farrer via Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2015 6:47 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [LONDON] Fire Insurance Hi Listers, I have found in the records for Sun Insurance in the National Archives my ancestors insuring property. If I apply for the records what would it tell me and as I live in Australia, how to do I go about it and what would be the costs ? Thanks, Maureen in Oz For Information on this list, or to unsubscribe go to http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/ENG/LONDON.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi elizabeth, I have a John Holland on my tree, but I am on holiday at the moment, back at the weekend so will have a look then to see if I have any details as he is part of a larger family. Sincerely eileen. Sent from my iPad > On 13 Oct 2015, at 03:00, [email protected] wrote: > > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. John HOLLAND Wax and Tallow Chandler South Audley St > (Elizabeth Foster) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2015 13:26:37 +1300 > From: Elizabeth Foster <[email protected]> > Subject: [LONDON] John HOLLAND Wax and Tallow Chandler South Audley St > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: > <[email protected]om> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Can anyone help me find Non-Conformist records from London which are not > otherwise found on-line. John HOLLAND was a tallow chandler late in the > 1700s and into the 1800s dying in 1817. I can find no record of his birth > or marriage or anything about his children in findmypast etc. > Thanks in hope, > Elizabeth Foster (New Zealand) > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the LONDON list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the LONDON mailing list, send an email to [email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of LONDON Digest, Vol 10, Issue 99 > **************************************

Can anyone help me find Non-Conformist records from London which are not otherwise found on-line. John HOLLAND was a tallow chandler late in the 1700s and into the 1800s dying in 1817. I can find no record of his birth or marriage or anything about his children in findmypast etc. Thanks in hope, Elizabeth Foster (New Zealand)

I have a Jane DOUGLAS marry an Edward HOLT 2nd March 1794 . Shoreditch . I checked on Ancestry who might be researching the name DOUGLAS and discovered a lot of people in fact back to 1600’s in the London area . Anyone able to explain why this name should appear in London for 400 yr . Their dau Elizabeth HOLT born 17 April 1808 , Shoreditch my husbands line . Interested to make contact with anyone researching this family Shirley NZ

Hi Shirley - My Douglases left in 1640s (still not sure from where) - so I don't know much about the later ones.  but this is a good websiste:  http://www.douglashistory.co.uk/history/index.htm and William lives in the UK Julie in Calif From: Shirley Brown via <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2015 1:46 PM Subject: [LONDON] Query -DOUGLAS I have a Jane DOUGLAS marry an  Edward HOLT  2nd March 1794 . Shoreditch . I checked on Ancestry who might be researching the name DOUGLAS and discovered a lot of people in fact back to 1600’s  in the London area . Anyone able to explain why this name should appear in London for 400 yr  . Their dau Elizabeth HOLT born 17 April 1808 , Shoreditch  my husbands line . Interested to make contact with anyone researching this family Shirley  NZ For Information on this list, or to unsubscribe go to http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/ENG/LONDON.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Shirley I suppose I would have to ask, why not? There are no doubt HOLTs & DOUGLAS in the London area back further than that, they are pretty common names I would hazard a guess they are also found all over the country at the same time But whether the HOLTs or DOUGLAS those Ancestry trees have in the London area are all connected is another matter Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 06/10/2015 21:46, Shirley Brown via wrote: > I have a Jane DOUGLAS marry an Edward HOLT 2nd March 1794 . > Shoreditch . I checked on Ancestry who might be researching the name > DOUGLAS and discovered a lot of people in fact back to 1600’s in the > London area . Anyone able to explain why this name should appear in > London for 400 yr . Their dau Elizabeth HOLT born 17 April 1808 , > Shoreditch my husbands line . > > Interested to make contact with anyone researching this family > > Shirley NZ

If anyone is visiting the LMA in the near future and is able to do a lookup for me I would be very grateful. I am trying to find out more about the death of Ellen WOOD at St Olaves Union Infirmary on 13th October, 1877 aged 21 years. Any details about her admission and time there would be appreciated. I am trying to break down a brick-wall in my tree and ordered the death certificate in the hope that she might be the Ellen WOOD in my tree. My wife's grandmother was Lois WOOD who was born on 24th February 1875 at 97 Park Street, Southwark. Her birth certificate records her parents as John WOOD (a carpenter) and Ellen WOOD, nee SMITH. I have not been able to find any further information about either Ellen or John. By the 1881 census Lois is recorded as Louise WOOD, a visitor, living with Henry SMITH (is there a connection?) and his wife Ann. They were still looking after Lois in 1891 when she is described as a relative, Henry's wife is now Amy and they also have their daughter Alice living with them. Any help very much appreciated in breaking down this wall -- Kind Regards Peter Rimell www.primell.co.uk

Many thanks to Margaret, Bart & Derek for your help. . I'll try a different approach now, e.g. obits, etc Nick

http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=BoerCasualties&gss=angs-d&new=1&rank=1&_81004042__int=1&msrdy=1900&MSAV=0&uidh=000&gl=&gst=&hc=50&fh=1550&bsk=BEIaWHoIgAAHeAAAb1U-61- -----Original Message-----

When my grandmother died in London in 1948 she left a simple ring to my sister with the following words engraved on the inside, *"EML died Jan 4th 1900". * It is believed to be a death ring, and the story goes our grandmother had lost her fiancee in some colonial war before marrying our grandfather in 1905. I now believe she may have had the ring made in remembrance of him. Early January 1900 was the time of the Relief of Ladysmith, I believe. This is pure hypothesis on my part but I thought I would check the Boer War casualty list on Ancestry anyway. Unfortunately when I keyed in E M as the first name and L as the second name I ended up with a list of people with a surname starting with an H! Can some kind person tell me if it is possible to open the full list, i.e. from A to Z? Thanks, Nick

Hi Eve As the rootsweb lists do not cover the living I will send you a mail offlist I think I have an avenue for you to explore if your data is correct Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 21/09/2015 03:30, Eve Ferguson via wrote: > Hi Listers > > I am trying to determine if a Graham John Keddie born Hendon Middlesex in 1945 > > is still alive. I have checked deaths on GRO up to 2005 on line but he does not appear. > > Are the civil Reg. indexes anywhere other than Kew for 2005-2015 deaths please? > > If not, is there some kind soul who could please help me determine if he is still alive. > > He married Marilynn Urquhart in Ealing in 1967. and had a daughter Joanna Keddie > > in Hammersmith in 1868. I think Joanna married Simon J Clements in Nov. 2000 in Gloucester. > > I am in Canada but my daughter will be in London UK next week. > > Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. > > Eve Ferguson

Hi Eve, Have you tried the Wills website? That is right up to date, where the online GRO indexes for deaths are only up to 2007 if I remember rightly. https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/#wills Also have you tried googling his name to see if there are any online obituaries. Hope this helps, Jon

Hi Listers I am trying to determine if a Graham John Keddie born Hendon Middlesex in 1945 is still alive. I have checked deaths on GRO up to 2005 on line but he does not appear. Are the civil Reg. indexes anywhere other than Kew for 2005-2015 deaths please? If not, is there some kind soul who could please help me determine if he is still alive. He married Marilynn Urquhart in Ealing in 1967. and had a daughter Joanna Keddie in Hammersmith in 1868. I think Joanna married Simon J Clements in Nov. 2000 in Gloucester. I am in Canada but my daughter will be in London UK next week. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. Eve Ferguson

My ggggrandfather, John Dalton, lived and died in Croydon. However, when he married in 1805, he was possibly living in London as the marriage record stated that he was a member of the parish for what that might be worth. As I have said in earlier posts, his will gave no names of his relatives other than his wife and children. The only other name was that of the executor, his brother-in-law. His death record contained an age that would place his birth about 1774. The problem is that I have yet to find any likely birth of a John Dalton, reasonably near London/Croydon, with one exception. That John Dalton died as an infant according to the parish record for that parish. However, when his first child was born, in Croydon in 1807, he is listed as a joiner. That was also the same occupation on the next two births and then he is listed as a grocer on the following birth records. There is the possibility that his wife was actually the grocer. According to an old map there was a "Dalton's Court" in Croydon and I have always wondered if he was involved in that due to the listing of his being a joiner. He also, at his death, owned several houses in a row. But, the number of houses in Dalton's Court matched the housed he listed in his will. Tax records show that he was obtaining houses early in the marriage but the location is not given. I have spent some time looking to see if there were two Dalton families living in the parish of St. Brides Fleet Street but so far have not found anyone other than ancestors of another Dalton who are not a genetic match to me. The assumption I was working on was that the family moved to St. Brides after his birth. Given that he was listed as a joiner in Croydon for those first three births is there some sort of registration that would have had to happen so he could show that he had completed an apprenticeship before coming to Croydon? Or, might he have been required to have done or something to enter into the trade of grocer in Croydon? If so, where might I look? Bill Dalton, Gig Harbor, USA

I have found my ancestor mentioned at Ancestry in the recently added UK Apprentices Indentured in the Merchant Navy, and I wonder if anyone can tell me please what the letters ‘M S or L stand for in the ‘Remarks’ column on the far right of the page. I see that several entries have the same remark, my man is Anthony COMETTI born 1855 in London, I now have three pieces of conflicting information about him: This one dated 21 April 1870, The 1871 census where he is listed as Antoney ditto under his stepfather’s surname of RILATT, age 16, a carpenter, born in London. Living at 69 Maldon Rd. St Pancras, piece 241, folio 63, page 14. (I have the marriage cert of his mother and stepfather to verify that this is correct.) In 1872 he appears on a passenger list as Anthony COMETT, age 21 carpenter, on the vessel ‘Lady Jocelyn’ bound for Canterbury New Zealand. The next listing is for Wm Terry ditto age 22, carpenter. I have checked earlier census and the free bmd index, but there are no matches for Anthony COMETT age 21, or Wm Terry COMETT age 22. The oral history from him is that he ran away from home as a boy, spent some years at sea, jumped ship in Wellington (no date given). The ship he left was lost with all hands after leaving Wellington, subsequently his family in the UK were told that he had perished at sea. Years later he met some old sailor friends in Wellington, who were amazed to see him as they too thought that he was dead. I have no knowledge of his years at sea, and would love to know more, particularly the name of the ship that was lost with all hands. The first mention of him in Wellington is dated 1884, any help would be greatly appreciated. Many thanks Carolyn in NZ.

Carolyn Looks like an interesting challenge Can I suggest you subscribe to two other rootsweb lists where you will get amazing help with your queries Firstly for the man http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Occupations/MARINERS.html and when you have some specific ship identified http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Immigration/TheShipsList.html http://www.theshipslist.com/ and as you probably know the NZ newspapers are great for focussing in on specific people and dates. Good luck Robin

He would not have been a government official. The organisation in question was a privately organised charity, though it received generous financial support from Parliament as well as wealthy private donors. I doubt that his uniform was related to his function in relation to the charity. Did he have a military or naval background? Caroline Sent from my iPad > On 12 Sep 2015, at 17:54, Nicholas Wilson via <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hello, > > I have trod this path before on the list but now have matched the > ancestor with the uniform he is wearing when his portrait was painted. I > believe that at the time he was acting as Secretary/Paymaster of the > Emigration Office for the Succour of French Clergy & Laity located in > Queens Square, W.1. > > My question is would a government official have had a dress uniform, > heavily laden with heavy gold lace during this period, i.e. early 19th > century? > > Many thanks, > > Nic > For Information on this list, or to unsubscribe go to http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/ENG/LONDON.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Michael good idea, but looking at other words in the same hand it does seem to start with a G, for example 'Grocer' on the next line. So I'm inclined to go with Judy's theory so far Cheers Steve On 12/09/2015 17:37, MICHAEL DANIELS wrote: > Hi > > Any possibility it might be Cord as in Cordwainer. They have a worshipful company and their trade well up in status. > > Michael in Essex. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Steve Lancaster via <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Sat, 12 Sep 2015 12:46:59 -0000 (UTC) > Subject: Re: [LONDON] Help with occupation transcription please > > Nice theory Judy, I hadn't considered that. Would certainly make sense > > Thanks > Steve > > On 12/09/2015 12:38, Judy Lester wrote: >> I agree with Nivard that it means Gentleman. I would suggest it's actually >> written 'Gen' with an upwards extension to the final n, perhaps reflecting >> the suspension that would have appeared in the original Latin word >> 'gen[erosus]' (= gentleman). >> >> HTH >> >> Judy >> London, UK >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >> Behalf Of Steve Lancaster via >> Sent: 12 September 2015 12:03 >> >> They may well be different hands, I couldn't quite convince myself one >> way or the other. But if you look at just the handwriting for Jno >> Bodicoate the obvious 't's are very different to the last letter in the >> mystery word, which looks more like one of his 'd's. >> >> It's possible that he has a very different 't' if it appears at the end >> of a word rather than the middle, and the word is indeed Gent, but felt >> I was clutching at straws so would value a second opinion from the list >> >> Thanks >> Steve Lancaster >> >> On 12/09/2015 11:49, Nivard Ovington via wrote: >>> Does it not say Gent (for Gentleman) ? >>> >>> The other Gent you mention appears to be in different hand >>> >>> If you compare the C in Char PRICE 9th July to the C in Cha CHAMBERS >>> they appear to me to be in different hands >>> >>> Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) >>> >>> On 12/09/2015 11:30, Steve Lancaster via wrote: >>>> Hi >>>> >>>> I have been going through the 'UK Register for Duties Paid for >>>> Apprentices Indentures' on Ancestry, and on a few occasions have come >>>> across a profession I'm having trouble transcribing. For example if you >>>> search for Jno Bodicoate, in the register he is listed as the third on >>>> Friday 16th July 1714, 'Jno Bodicoate of London' and then the word I'm >>>> having trouble with which should be his profession, begins with a G and >>>> looks like 'Gord'. It also occurs against Isaac Marlow, the last entry >>>> on the page. >>>> >>>> I thought the word might be Gent, but on the same page as Jno Bodicoate >>>> there is a Matthew Williams, no. 12 on the 14th July, who is very >>>> clearly a Gent, the two words look quite different. >>>> >>>> Any suggestion or knowledge very gratefully received! >>>> >>>> Steve Lancaster >> >> >> > For Information on this list, or to unsubscribe go to http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/ENG/LONDON.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >