Thank you, Nivard. Very handy tip. Meanwhile, I'd found the page with the general PDF pilot information. It's at https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/PDF_most_customers_want_to_k now.asp Not quite sure how I found it, but it worked once I'd logged in again. Glad of your tip and that I found the info. Just had a mail from the GRO that they will be answering my mail query within 5 working days. Katie -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: Nivard Ovington [mailto:[email protected]] Verzonden: woensdag 9 november 2016 11:26 Aan: gallorosso; [email protected] Onderwerp: Re: [LONDON] Ordering London birth & death records as a PDF from the GRO When you enter the GRO site, select the new index When you get your target entry, to the right are two small selectable boxes Certificate and directly below it PDF They are small so I think you need to be careful how you select the right button Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

Thank you, Nivard Sounds like a good start. More expensive than the Scotland records, but still better for family historians than the England & Wales GRO snail mail option. I do know the pilot is due to run until 30th November or 45,000 PDFs, whichever is earlier, so I hope the infrastructure is in place and can cope. Now to find where on the site I can order a few PDFs. Katie -----Oorspronkelijk bericht---Van: LONDON [mailto:[email protected]] Namens Nivard Ovington Verzonden: woensdag 9 november 2016 10:51 Aan: [email protected] Onderwerp: Re: [LONDON] Ordering London birth & death records as a PDF from the GRO Hi Katie The system went live a little while ago I haven't used the system as yet but its been reported (just) that it works well, is £6 each and is a pdf with a delivering by email given as the 16th Nov Whether that date goes forward with the volume of orders I don't know It only covers the births for 1837 to 1915 and deaths 1837 to 1957 Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 09-Nov-16 9:44 AM, gallorosso wrote: Apologies to the list for this general query but it may be of interest to others hoping to order BD records for the London and other areas:I understand that, from today, the GRO are running a pilot under which we can order birth and death records in PDF format to be emailed to us.

Jan. Just looking for something else and i came across your e-mail asking for help in being able to trace the hospital your mother worked in during and after WW2. Did you ever receive that help and if so, could you kindly pass it on to me? Thank you. April. New Forest

Apologies to the list for this general query but it may be of interest to others hoping to order BD records for the London and other areas: I understand that, from today, the GRO are running a pilot under which we can order birth and death records in PDF format to be emailed to us. Well, now that many mother's maiden names are shown in the index even before 1911, I can home in on more of my London ancestors, even those with common names, so I'm thrilled to hear of the GRO PDF experiment. However, for more information on the hows and wherefores (and not least the cost), the GRO refers me to the Most People Want to Know section. Up to now, though, I've been unable to find the relevant information, It's as though they've launched the pilot before the infrastructure is ready, but I expect it's just me who can't find it. Is there anyone on the list who knows where to find this information please? (I've mailed the GRO but unsure if or when they'll be able to answer, beyond the automatic reply, referring me BACK to the most wanted section.) Thank you and happy hunting everyone, Katie de Haan Born London UK resident in The Netherlands

Often ancestors seem to be written out of our family histories by means of destroying any photos of them. Though I have a large number of family photos I have never been able to find one of a particular forbear who was convicted of a number of crimes at the end of the 19th and beginning of the 20th century. I wonder if anyone has managed to obtain any criminal record or prison photos and if so can you advise on source. Regards Tony

When you enter the GRO site, select the new index When you get your target entry, to the right are two small selectable boxes Certificate and directly below it PDF They are small so I think you need to be careful how you select the right button Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 09-Nov-16 10:24 AM, gallorosso wrote: > Thank you, Nivard > > Sounds like a good start. More expensive than the Scotland records, but > still better for family historians than the England & Wales GRO snail mail > option. I do know the pilot is due to run until 30th November or 45,000 > PDFs, whichever is earlier, so I hope the infrastructure is in place and can > cope. > > Now to find where on the site I can order a few PDFs. > > Katie >

Hi Katie The system went live a little while ago I haven't used the system as yet but its been reported (just) that it works well, is £6 each and is a pdf with a delivering by email given as the 16th Nov Whether that date goes forward with the volume of orders I don't know It only covers the births for 1837 to 1915 and deaths 1837 to 1957 Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 09-Nov-16 9:44 AM, gallorosso wrote: > Apologies to the list for this general query but it may be of interest to > others hoping to order BD records for the London and other areas: > > > > I understand that, from today, the GRO are running a pilot under which we > can order birth and death records in PDF format to be emailed to us. Well, > now that many mother's maiden names are shown in the index even before 1911, > I can home in on more of my London ancestors, even those with common names, > so I'm thrilled to hear of the GRO PDF experiment. However, for more > information on the hows and wherefores (and not least the cost), the GRO > refers me to the Most People Want to Know section. Up to now, though, I've > been unable to find the relevant information, It's as though they've > launched the pilot before the infrastructure is ready, but I expect it's > just me who can't find it. > > > > Is there anyone on the list who knows where to find this information please? > (I've mailed the GRO but unsure if or when they'll be able to answer, beyond > the automatic reply, referring me BACK to the most wanted section.) > > > > Thank you and happy hunting everyone, > > > > Katie de Haan > > Born London UK resident in The Netherlands

Hello Ladies, Jean goes into hospital for her operation 6.30am tomorrow morning, she is the first to have an operation. Peter is very ill and has gone into hospital by ambulance yesterday evening. Peter has not been in good health for some time, his heart monitor went off over a week ago, he had to go to the hospital to have it adjusted. Jean said Pete is very ill, it sounds very serious. Both Jean and Peter will be in the Queen Alexandra Hospital, Portsmouth, Jean daughter is coming down from Scotland to look after her when she comes out of hospital. I have just come off the telephone after speaking to Jean, she said she is stressed out, what with Peter, getting someone to look after the dog, and getting everything ready to go into hospital. As soon as I hear anything further about Peter and Jean I will contact you again. Hope you are all well. Love Barbara & Roger x

Any sightings of James Cummings/Cummins born about 1789 He died in Bethnal Green Eve Ferguson having difficulty sending messages now????/

Many thanks to all who responded with John Shaw's occupation. Seems he was a newsvendor. Glenys -- Glenys www.quietacre.net

I'd guess it is supposed to be Victualler Regards Peter -----Original Message----- From: LONDON [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Glenys Rasmussen Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016 22:20 To: [email protected] Subject: [LONDON] Occupation Help Please On the 1841 Census of Shoreditch, Middlesex John's occupation is beyond me - can someone help please. In 1851 he is a Brewer's Man. Details for 1841 are: Name:John Shaw Age:36 Estimated Birth Year:1805 Gender:Male Civil parish:St Leonard Shoreditch Hundred:Ossulstone (Tower Division) County/Island:Middlesex Country:England Registration district:Shoreditch Sub-registration district:Haggerston East Piece:704 Book:3 Page number:1 Household Members Name Age John Shaw <http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=try&dbid=8978&h=7790918> 36 Ann Shaw <http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=try&dbid=8978&h=7790919> 34 Emma Shaw <http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=try&dbid=8978&h=7790920> 10 John Shaw <http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=try&dbid=8978&h=7790921> 8 Caroline Shaw <http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=try&dbid=8978&h=7790922> 4 Thank you, Glenys -- Glenys www.quietacre.net For Information on this list, or to unsubscribe go to http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/ENG/LONDON.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It looks to me like its an extended form of vineron, something like a vineronicler. A vigneron is someone involved in cultivating a vineyard for winemaking Steve On 22/09/2016 22:19, Glenys Rasmussen wrote: > On the 1841 Census of Shoreditch, Middlesex John's occupation is beyond me > - can someone help please. In 1851 he is a Brewer's Man. Details for 1841 > are: > > Name:John Shaw > Age:36 > Estimated Birth Year:1805 > Gender:Male > Civil parish:St Leonard Shoreditch > Hundred:Ossulstone (Tower Division) > County/Island:Middlesex > Country:England > Registration district:Shoreditch > Sub-registration district:Haggerston East > Piece:704 > Book:3 > Page number:1 > Household Members > Name Age John Shaw > <http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=try&dbid=8978&h=7790918> > 36 Ann Shaw > <http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=try&dbid=8978&h=7790919> > 34 Emma Shaw > <http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=try&dbid=8978&h=7790920> > 10 > John Shaw > <http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=try&dbid=8978&h=7790921> > 8 Caroline Shaw > <http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=try&dbid=8978&h=7790922> > 4 > > Thank you, > Glenys >

On the 1841 Census of Shoreditch, Middlesex John's occupation is beyond me - can someone help please. In 1851 he is a Brewer's Man. Details for 1841 are: Name:John Shaw Age:36 Estimated Birth Year:1805 Gender:Male Civil parish:St Leonard Shoreditch Hundred:Ossulstone (Tower Division) County/Island:Middlesex Country:England Registration district:Shoreditch Sub-registration district:Haggerston East Piece:704 Book:3 Page number:1 Household Members Name Age John Shaw <http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=try&dbid=8978&h=7790918> 36 Ann Shaw <http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=try&dbid=8978&h=7790919> 34 Emma Shaw <http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=try&dbid=8978&h=7790920> 10 John Shaw <http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=try&dbid=8978&h=7790921> 8 Caroline Shaw <http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=try&dbid=8978&h=7790922> 4 Thank you, Glenys -- Glenys www.quietacre.net

Many thanks to Christine for finding my GOWENS in 1861. What a good tip for everyone. Now to find them in 1841. Me thinks they may be on pages which are almost impossible to read due to damage etc. I've tried going through the pages where they might have Lived but no luck so far. >

Hi, Having found Benjamin's son Charles I was able to find that family in 1861. I often find it is easier to find children than their parents. Hope this helps Christine Name: Charles Gowans Age: 4 Estimated birth year: 1857 Relation: Son Father's name: Benjamin Gowans Mother's name: Maryann Gowans Gender: Male Where born: Wapping, Middlesex, England Civil Parish: St George in the East County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Registration district: St George In The East Sub-registration district: St John ED, institution, or vessel: 7 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 41 Piece: 281 Folio: 133 Page Number: 7 Household Members: Name Age Benjamin Gowans 29 Maryann Gowans 34 Charles Gowans 4 John W Gowans 12 -----Original Message----- From: W S Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2016 8:13 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [LONDON] GOWENS I need some help folks. I am researching the GOWENS family of St. George in the East, London. I have found them in most of the Census but not in 1841 despite trying to go down the appropriate streets. James and brother George and their families can be found in Green Bank in most Census thereafter whilst their parents : Charlotte and William are at E9 Lower Well Alley, St. George in the East in 1851. Where the heck are they though in 1841? Most of the males are Lightermen. I am also looking for Benjamin Gowen born 1821, missing in both 1841 and 1861. In 1851 he is with his parents and shares the house with brother James and his family at Lower Well Alley as above. Any help would be gratefully received.

I need some help folks. I am researching the GOWENS family of St. George in the East, London. I have found them in most of the Census but not in 1841 despite trying to go down the appropriate streets. James and brother George and their families can be found in Green Bank in most Census thereafter whilst their parents : Charlotte and William are at E9 Lower Well Alley, St. George in the East in 1851. Where the heck are they though in 1841? Most of the males are Lightermen. I am also looking for Benjamin Gowen born 1821, missing in both 1841 and 1861. In 1851 he is with his parents and shares the house with brother James and his family at Lower Well Alley as above. Any help would be gratefully received. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Can anyone tell me what “extra parochial, liberty of the rolls” means. I have a 3rd great uncle recorded as living there on the1851 census, schedule 49,piece1512, folio 446. Many thanks Pam

Hi Steve, She may be the Eileen Andrews age 4 living in Fulham in 1911. In 1939 she is living as Ellis in Staffordshire but in FreeBMD the only Eileen Andrews marriage to Elis is in 1942 in Liverpool. Regards, Pauline > On 22 Aug 2016, at 8:55 PM, [email protected] wrote: > > Good morning all, > Am having great difficulty if finding her parents. Eileen Andrews born Set 1908 in Brentford. Married Flood and lastly Ellis. Died July 1980 in Southampton. > I have tried to find her in the 1911 census but no luck. Am told that her mother possibly named Clara but not confirmed. No idea as to her fathers name or siblings. > Any help greatly appreciated indeed > Regards, > Steve > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > For Information on this list, or to unsubscribe go to http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/ENG/LONDON.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Good morning all, Am having great difficulty if finding her parents. Eileen Andrews born Set 1908 in Brentford. Married Flood and lastly Ellis. Died July 1980 in Southampton. I have tried to find her in the 1911 census but no luck. Am told that her mother possibly named Clara but not confirmed. No idea as to her fathers name or siblings. Any help greatly appreciated indeed Regards, Steve Sent from Mail for Windows 10

At that time there were a great number of small private schools and this appears to be one of them No name on it in 1871, in 1881 in Horn Lane Acton there is "The College" Agnes E JAMES age 37 Governess (school) born City of London Middlesex RG11 1353 102 22 Whether thats the same place is hard to say, I didn't come across any adverts in the papers I have found quite a few private schools that sprang up in one census and disappeared by the next This was a period of huge change in schooling, the 1870 Education act having just been passed I don't know if you had found the following or if they might be able to help http://www.actonhistory.co.uk/acton/Postcards.htm Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 02-Aug-16 10:26 AM, Ruth Appleby via wrote: > Ellen Seacomb is recorded in the 1871 census of Acton, as a pupil in Horn Lane. The census does not provide the name of the establishment. Does SKS know of a school, headed by Mary Robinson? > The census may be found at RG10/1322 fol.141 p.16 > > Many thanks > Ruth