Hi Maureen Nothing concrete but I have a possible clue in the registers of the Sardinian Chapel,Lincoln's Inn Fields It is a baptism on 3 January 1779 of Thomas Rostonus Jacobus (James) Delaport, son of Anthony Jacobus (James) Delaport. The baby was born 16 Nov 1779. The godparents are listed as Jacobus (James) Delaport and Maria (Mary) Carolina Dujardin Phllippina Ducachet Could the godparents be the folks you are looking for? I willcontinue digging. Kind regards Kim in Soggy Hull, East Yorkshire On Fri, 25 Oct 2019 at 06:20, Maureen Farrer <maureenfarrer71@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi Listers, > > I am trying to find information on James LAPORT. The only information I have on him is > that he insured property in 121 Drury Lane in 1781 and wasn’t there in 1783, but he was dead > by 1790. He had a son John b.1776 and his wife was Mary. > Sorry no other information. > > Thanks, > Maureen in Oz. > > _______________________________________________ > To Post to this list: > london@rootsweb.com > > Contact the Listowner: > Dee Pavey > london-owner@rootsweb.com > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/london@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hi Listers, I am trying to find information on James LAPORT. The only information I have on him is that he insured property in 121 Drury Lane in 1781 and wasn’t there in 1783, but he was dead by 1790. He had a son John b.1776 and his wife was Mary. Sorry no other information. Thanks, Maureen in Oz.

> Begin forwarded message: > > From: Liz Maxwell <lizmax@optusnet.com.au> > Subject: Ellen Hall b 1837? > Date: 24 October 2019 at 8:54:24 AM AEDT > To: LONDON-L-request@rootsweb.com > > Good morning. Hope I have the right address this tome > > I am hoping that someone can help me with the above lady, my great grandmother. Here is what I know. > > She married William Frederic Plumley 1860, Christ Church, Marylebone. They were both of full age and her father is Thomas Hall. > > They had 11 children born between 1852 and 1875. of which only 4 survived infancy. > > On 1881 census her age is 43 and she was born Westminster > > On 1901 census she is 60 born Westminster and a widow > > She died 1908 Kensington age 60 > > I am hoping that someone can help me with with her birth and mother’s name > > Regards > > Liz Maxwell

Ok Chris got it Ancestors of Lucy copied onto my Tree. Eve ________________________________________ From: cmart1128@gmail.com <cmart1128@gmail.com> Sent: October 18, 2019 2:01 AM To: london@rootsweb.com Subject: [LONDON] William Bowden My 10th Greatgrandfather William Bowden a Pewterer from Westminster apparently was arrested in July 1662 for an unlawful meeting of persons on the sabbath day, I will paste below the article from the Middlesex Session Rolls 1662: Recognizances, taken before same J.P. on divers days of July and August, 14 Charles II., for the appearance of George Beard of St. Paul's Covent Garden poulterer; James Hollinpreist weaver, John Chamberlaine joyner, Thomas Lathwell tallow-chandler, all three of St. Martin's-in-the-Fields; Thomas Serle of St. Bride's London oylman; John Rix grocer, Richard Mansel victualler, and John Cuckoe blacksmith, all three of St. Margaret's Westminster; John Sturgeon of St. Margaret's Westminster grocer, and John Cawne of St. Martin's-in-the-Fields silk-weaver; William Bowden of St. Margaret's Westminster pewterer, and Richard Ansted of St. Margaret's Westminster matlayer, at the next G. Q. S. P. for the City of Westminster and the Liberty thereof, to answer for being taken at an unlawful meeting of persons assembled together on a "Sabath day . . . . under a pretence of joyning in religeous worship." S. P. West. R., 1 Oct., 14 Charles II. My question is how do I find out what happened to them? Also why was it unlawful to have a meeting in public on the sabbath if it was not for religious reasons? Chris Martin _______________________________________________ To Post to this list: london@rootsweb.com Contact the Listowner: Dee Pavey london-owner@rootsweb.com _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/london@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hello List, I am trying to find out any other Information on the Following person. Mark WESLH Born circa 1770's Married Sarah ? I have so far found two children Mark WELSH Born 22/10/1796 Baptism 20/11/1796 St James Piccadilly London. Isabella Sarah WELSH Born 12/09/1801 Baptism 18/10/1801 St James London. Because I don't know where Mark Welsh or his wife Sarah came from & by the 1841 Census I could only find his Son & Daughter who were both Married. Mark Welsh Born 1796 was a Cow Keeper/ Milkman. Not sure if anyone else on the list is researching this Surname or WELCH as the name changed along the way through the Census's & Births. Thank you Iris

Hi Chris Does he appear in our Mutual Tree?? Eve ________________________________________ From: cmart1128@gmail.com <cmart1128@gmail.com> Sent: October 18, 2019 2:01 AM To: london@rootsweb.com Subject: [LONDON] William Bowden My 10th Greatgrandfather William Bowden a Pewterer from Westminster apparently was arrested in July 1662 for an unlawful meeting of persons on the sabbath day, I will paste below the article from the Middlesex Session Rolls 1662: Recognizances, taken before same J.P. on divers days of July and August, 14 Charles II., for the appearance of George Beard of St. Paul's Covent Garden poulterer; James Hollinpreist weaver, John Chamberlaine joyner, Thomas Lathwell tallow-chandler, all three of St. Martin's-in-the-Fields; Thomas Serle of St. Bride's London oylman; John Rix grocer, Richard Mansel victualler, and John Cuckoe blacksmith, all three of St. Margaret's Westminster; John Sturgeon of St. Margaret's Westminster grocer, and John Cawne of St. Martin's-in-the-Fields silk-weaver; William Bowden of St. Margaret's Westminster pewterer, and Richard Ansted of St. Margaret's Westminster matlayer, at the next G. Q. S. P. for the City of Westminster and the Liberty thereof, to answer for being taken at an unlawful meeting of persons assembled together on a "Sabath day . . . . under a pretence of joyning in religeous worship." S. P. West. R., 1 Oct., 14 Charles II. My question is how do I find out what happened to them? Also why was it unlawful to have a meeting in public on the sabbath if it was not for religious reasons? Chris Martin _______________________________________________ To Post to this list: london@rootsweb.com Contact the Listowner: Dee Pavey london-owner@rootsweb.com _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/london@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hi Chris It looks like the Quarter Sessions records are at the London Metropolitan Archives (I googled Quarter Sessions Westminster). If you search for A Collection of the Sufferings of the People Called Quakers, you can read the book on Google - there isn't a mention (or not one I could find) of William Bowden but plenty of references to others fined and imprisoned. The 1660s were not a good time to be non-conformist but things did ease in the 1670s. Kind regards Kim Semmence, Hull, Yorkshire On Fri, 18 Oct 2019 at 21:10, Chris Martin <cmart1128@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi Kim, > > Thanks for your input, I agree with you 100%, when it said pretence I took > it to mean that they were pretending to be religious but were actually > meeting for some other reason but it makes sense that if the state didn't > recognize the religion then for the state it was illegal. > I believe that William Bowden was a Quaker because his daughter Hester was > married at the Savoy in London 1705 in a Quaker ceremony. > I would still like to know what happened to them. > > Chris Martin > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kim Semmence [mailto:semmtext@gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, October 18, 2019 8:12 AM > To: london@rootsweb.com > Subject: [LONDON] Re: William Bowden > > Hi Chris > I think the meeting was for religious reasons and that "under a > pretence of joyning in religious worship" just means religious worship > not approved by the state. I tried tapping a few of the names into > Google and came up with a Thomas Lathwell of London being named in "A > History of the English Baptists" vol. 1. The Baptists and other > non-conformists,such as Quakers, were persecuted during the 1660s, > with many being imprisoned. Some fled to the USA. I think this is a > clue but I don't know where you would find the Quarter Sessions > records, I'm afraid. > > Kind regards > > Kim Semmence > Hull, Yorkshire > > On Fri, 18 Oct 2019 at 03:02, <cmart1128@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > My 10th Greatgrandfather William Bowden a Pewterer from Westminster > apparently was arrested in July 1662 for an unlawful meeting of persons on > the sabbath day, I will paste below the article from the Middlesex Session > Rolls 1662: > > > > Recognizances, taken before same J.P. on divers days of July and August, > 14 Charles II., for the appearance of George Beard of St. Paul's Covent > Garden poulterer; James Hollinpreist weaver, John Chamberlaine joyner, > Thomas Lathwell tallow-chandler, all three of St. Martin's-in-the-Fields; > Thomas Serle of St. Bride's London oylman; John Rix grocer, Richard Mansel > victualler, and John Cuckoe blacksmith, all three of St. Margaret's > Westminster; John Sturgeon of St. Margaret's Westminster grocer, and John > Cawne of St. Martin's-in-the-Fields silk-weaver; William Bowden of St. > Margaret's Westminster pewterer, and Richard Ansted of St. Margaret's > Westminster matlayer, at the next G. Q. S. P. for the City of Westminster > and the Liberty thereof, to answer for being taken at an unlawful meeting of > persons assembled together on a "Sabath day . . . . under a pretence of > joyning in religeous worship." S. P. West. R., 1 Oct., 14 Charles II. > > > > My question is how do I find out what happened to them? Also why was it > unlawful to have a meeting in public on the sabbath if it was not for > religious reasons? > > > > Chris Martin > > > > _______________________________________________ > > To Post to this list: > > london@rootsweb.com > > > > Contact the Listowner: > > Dee Pavey > > london-owner@rootsweb.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/london@rootsweb.com > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > > _______________________________________________ > To Post to this list: > london@rootsweb.com > > Contact the Listowner: > Dee Pavey > london-owner@rootsweb.com > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/london@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > > _______________________________________________ > To Post to this list: > london@rootsweb.com > > Contact the Listowner: > Dee Pavey > london-owner@rootsweb.com > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/london@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

That is certainly a possible reason But as another possibility, it was just after the return of the monarchy after the commonwealth period, Charles II was crowned April 1661 I suspect tensions were running high and gatherings may have been closely watched Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 18/10/2019 16:11, Kim Semmence wrote: > Hi Chris > I think the meeting was for religious reasons and that "under a > pretence of joyning in religious worship" just means religious worship > not approved by the state. I tried tapping a few of the names into > Google and came up with a Thomas Lathwell of London being named in "A > History of the English Baptists" vol. 1. The Baptists and other > non-conformists,such as Quakers, were persecuted during the 1660s, > with many being imprisoned. Some fled to the USA. I think this is a > clue but I don't know where you would find the Quarter Sessions > records, I'm afraid. > > Kind regards > > Kim Semmence > Hull, Yorkshire > > On Fri, 18 Oct 2019 at 03:02, <cmart1128@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> My 10th Greatgrandfather William Bowden a Pewterer from Westminster apparently was arrested in July 1662 for an unlawful meeting of persons on the sabbath day, I will paste below the article from the Middlesex Session Rolls 1662: >> >> Recognizances, taken before same J.P. on divers days of July and August, 14 Charles II., for the appearance of George Beard of St. Paul's Covent Garden poulterer; James Hollinpreist weaver, John Chamberlaine joyner, Thomas Lathwell tallow-chandler, all three of St. Martin's-in-the-Fields; Thomas Serle of St. Bride's London oylman; John Rix grocer, Richard Mansel victualler, and John Cuckoe blacksmith, all three of St. Margaret's Westminster; John Sturgeon of St. Margaret's Westminster grocer, and John Cawne of St. Martin's-in-the-Fields silk-weaver; William Bowden of St. Margaret's Westminster pewterer, and Richard Ansted of St. Margaret's Westminster matlayer, at the next G. Q. S. P. for the City of Westminster and the Liberty thereof, to answer for being taken at an unlawful meeting of persons assembled together on a "Sabath day . . . . under a pretence of joyning in religeous worship." S. P. West. R., 1 Oct., 14 Charles II. >> >> My question is how do I find out what happened to them? Also why was it unlawful to have a meeting in public on the sabbath if it was not for religious reasons? >> >> Chris Martin >> >> _______________________________________________ >> To Post to this list: >> london@rootsweb.com >> >> Contact the Listowner: >> Dee Pavey >> london-owner@rootsweb.com >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/london@rootsweb.com >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > > _______________________________________________ > To Post to this list: > london@rootsweb.com > > Contact the Listowner: > Dee Pavey > london-owner@rootsweb.com > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/london@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community >

"Pretend"at that time meant "claim". Prince Charlie was the Pretender to the throne: he claimed it. Regards, John Moore On Fri, 18 Oct 2019 at 16:10, Chris Martin <cmart1128@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Kim, > > Thanks for your input, I agree with you 100%, when it said pretence I took > it to mean that they were pretending to be religious but were actually > meeting for some other reason but it makes sense that if the state didn't > recognize the religion then for the state it was illegal. > I believe that William Bowden was a Quaker because his daughter Hester was > married at the Savoy in London 1705 in a Quaker ceremony. > I would still like to know what happened to them. > > Chris Martin > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kim Semmence [mailto:semmtext@gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, October 18, 2019 8:12 AM > To: london@rootsweb.com > Subject: [LONDON] Re: William Bowden > > Hi Chris > I think the meeting was for religious reasons and that "under a > pretence of joyning in religious worship" just means religious worship > not approved by the state. I tried tapping a few of the names into > Google and came up with a Thomas Lathwell of London being named in "A > History of the English Baptists" vol. 1. The Baptists and other > non-conformists,such as Quakers, were persecuted during the 1660s, > with many being imprisoned. Some fled to the USA. I think this is a > clue but I don't know where you would find the Quarter Sessions > records, I'm afraid. > > Kind regards > > Kim Semmence > Hull, Yorkshire > > On Fri, 18 Oct 2019 at 03:02, <cmart1128@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > My 10th Greatgrandfather William Bowden a Pewterer from Westminster > apparently was arrested in July 1662 for an unlawful meeting of persons on > the sabbath day, I will paste below the article from the Middlesex Session > Rolls 1662: > > > > Recognizances, taken before same J.P. on divers days of July and August, > 14 Charles II., for the appearance of George Beard of St. Paul's Covent > Garden poulterer; James Hollinpreist weaver, John Chamberlaine joyner, > Thomas Lathwell tallow-chandler, all three of St. Martin's-in-the-Fields; > Thomas Serle of St. Bride's London oylman; John Rix grocer, Richard Mansel > victualler, and John Cuckoe blacksmith, all three of St. Margaret's > Westminster; John Sturgeon of St. Margaret's Westminster grocer, and John > Cawne of St. Martin's-in-the-Fields silk-weaver; William Bowden of St. > Margaret's Westminster pewterer, and Richard Ansted of St. Margaret's > Westminster matlayer, at the next G. Q. S. P. for the City of Westminster > and the Liberty thereof, to answer for being taken at an unlawful meeting > of > persons assembled together on a "Sabath day . . . . under a pretence of > joyning in religeous worship." S. P. West. R., 1 Oct., 14 Charles II. > > > > My question is how do I find out what happened to them? Also why was it > unlawful to have a meeting in public on the sabbath if it was not for > religious reasons? > > > > Chris Martin > > > > _______________________________________________ > > To Post to this list: > > london@rootsweb.com > > > > Contact the Listowner: > > Dee Pavey > > london-owner@rootsweb.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/london@rootsweb.com > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > > _______________________________________________ > To Post to this list: > london@rootsweb.com > > Contact the Listowner: > Dee Pavey > london-owner@rootsweb.com > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/london@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > > _______________________________________________ > To Post to this list: > london@rootsweb.com > > Contact the Listowner: > Dee Pavey > london-owner@rootsweb.com > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/london@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

Hi Kim, Thanks for your input, I agree with you 100%, when it said pretence I took it to mean that they were pretending to be religious but were actually meeting for some other reason but it makes sense that if the state didn't recognize the religion then for the state it was illegal. I believe that William Bowden was a Quaker because his daughter Hester was married at the Savoy in London 1705 in a Quaker ceremony. I would still like to know what happened to them. Chris Martin -----Original Message----- From: Kim Semmence [mailto:semmtext@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, October 18, 2019 8:12 AM To: london@rootsweb.com Subject: [LONDON] Re: William Bowden Hi Chris I think the meeting was for religious reasons and that "under a pretence of joyning in religious worship" just means religious worship not approved by the state. I tried tapping a few of the names into Google and came up with a Thomas Lathwell of London being named in "A History of the English Baptists" vol. 1. The Baptists and other non-conformists,such as Quakers, were persecuted during the 1660s, with many being imprisoned. Some fled to the USA. I think this is a clue but I don't know where you would find the Quarter Sessions records, I'm afraid. Kind regards Kim Semmence Hull, Yorkshire On Fri, 18 Oct 2019 at 03:02, <cmart1128@gmail.com> wrote: > > My 10th Greatgrandfather William Bowden a Pewterer from Westminster apparently was arrested in July 1662 for an unlawful meeting of persons on the sabbath day, I will paste below the article from the Middlesex Session Rolls 1662: > > Recognizances, taken before same J.P. on divers days of July and August, 14 Charles II., for the appearance of George Beard of St. Paul's Covent Garden poulterer; James Hollinpreist weaver, John Chamberlaine joyner, Thomas Lathwell tallow-chandler, all three of St. Martin's-in-the-Fields; Thomas Serle of St. Bride's London oylman; John Rix grocer, Richard Mansel victualler, and John Cuckoe blacksmith, all three of St. Margaret's Westminster; John Sturgeon of St. Margaret's Westminster grocer, and John Cawne of St. Martin's-in-the-Fields silk-weaver; William Bowden of St. Margaret's Westminster pewterer, and Richard Ansted of St. Margaret's Westminster matlayer, at the next G. Q. S. P. for the City of Westminster and the Liberty thereof, to answer for being taken at an unlawful meeting of persons assembled together on a "Sabath day . . . . under a pretence of joyning in religeous worship." S. P. West. R., 1 Oct., 14 Charles II. > > My question is how do I find out what happened to them? Also why was it unlawful to have a meeting in public on the sabbath if it was not for religious reasons? > > Chris Martin > > _______________________________________________ > To Post to this list: > london@rootsweb.com > > Contact the Listowner: > Dee Pavey > london-owner@rootsweb.com > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/london@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ To Post to this list: london@rootsweb.com Contact the Listowner: Dee Pavey london-owner@rootsweb.com _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/london@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hi Chris I think the meeting was for religious reasons and that "under a pretence of joyning in religious worship" just means religious worship not approved by the state. I tried tapping a few of the names into Google and came up with a Thomas Lathwell of London being named in "A History of the English Baptists" vol. 1. The Baptists and other non-conformists,such as Quakers, were persecuted during the 1660s, with many being imprisoned. Some fled to the USA. I think this is a clue but I don't know where you would find the Quarter Sessions records, I'm afraid. Kind regards Kim Semmence Hull, Yorkshire On Fri, 18 Oct 2019 at 03:02, <cmart1128@gmail.com> wrote: > > My 10th Greatgrandfather William Bowden a Pewterer from Westminster apparently was arrested in July 1662 for an unlawful meeting of persons on the sabbath day, I will paste below the article from the Middlesex Session Rolls 1662: > > Recognizances, taken before same J.P. on divers days of July and August, 14 Charles II., for the appearance of George Beard of St. Paul's Covent Garden poulterer; James Hollinpreist weaver, John Chamberlaine joyner, Thomas Lathwell tallow-chandler, all three of St. Martin's-in-the-Fields; Thomas Serle of St. Bride's London oylman; John Rix grocer, Richard Mansel victualler, and John Cuckoe blacksmith, all three of St. Margaret's Westminster; John Sturgeon of St. Margaret's Westminster grocer, and John Cawne of St. Martin's-in-the-Fields silk-weaver; William Bowden of St. Margaret's Westminster pewterer, and Richard Ansted of St. Margaret's Westminster matlayer, at the next G. Q. S. P. for the City of Westminster and the Liberty thereof, to answer for being taken at an unlawful meeting of persons assembled together on a "Sabath day . . . . under a pretence of joyning in religeous worship." S. P. West. R., 1 Oct., 14 Charles II. > > My question is how do I find out what happened to them? Also why was it unlawful to have a meeting in public on the sabbath if it was not for religious reasons? > > Chris Martin > > _______________________________________________ > To Post to this list: > london@rootsweb.com > > Contact the Listowner: > Dee Pavey > london-owner@rootsweb.com > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/london@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

My 10th Greatgrandfather William Bowden a Pewterer from Westminster apparently was arrested in July 1662 for an unlawful meeting of persons on the sabbath day, I will paste below the article from the Middlesex Session Rolls 1662: Recognizances, taken before same J.P. on divers days of July and August, 14 Charles II., for the appearance of George Beard of St. Paul's Covent Garden poulterer; James Hollinpreist weaver, John Chamberlaine joyner, Thomas Lathwell tallow-chandler, all three of St. Martin's-in-the-Fields; Thomas Serle of St. Bride's London oylman; John Rix grocer, Richard Mansel victualler, and John Cuckoe blacksmith, all three of St. Margaret's Westminster; John Sturgeon of St. Margaret's Westminster grocer, and John Cawne of St. Martin's-in-the-Fields silk-weaver; William Bowden of St. Margaret's Westminster pewterer, and Richard Ansted of St. Margaret's Westminster matlayer, at the next G. Q. S. P. for the City of Westminster and the Liberty thereof, to answer for being taken at an unlawful meeting of persons assembled together on a "Sabath day . . . . under a pretence of joyning in religeous worship." S. P. West. R., 1 Oct., 14 Charles II. My question is how do I find out what happened to them? Also why was it unlawful to have a meeting in public on the sabbath if it was not for religious reasons? Chris Martin

Hi Shirley I don't recall a previous request but no these are not new records The problem we both have is that most of the surviving records start just a little to late On Ancestry there is an admission record for what seems to be your young lady to St Marylebone workhouse Westminster HOGAN Ellen 6 Nightingale street admitted 26th July 1839 aged 7 to the workhouse by whose order = Messers GIBSON & PEARSON Rola Circumstances under which admitted = An Orphan - her parents were Irish (no mention of a discharge date) Which suggests she was not born in the workhouse but was admitted there in 1839 having been orphaned (but for how long was she orphaned?) Under deaths registered in Marylebone (where you would expect a parents death to be registered) I found no Ellen or variants HOGAN in 1839, the nearest I found was an Eleanor in 1837 HOGAN, ELEANOR 42 GRO Reference: 1837 S Quarter in MARYLEBONE Volume 01 Page 197 I did not find an Edward HOGAN death reg anywhere 1837 to 1839 Except one in 1838 but he was an infant HOGAN, EDWARD 0 GRO Reference: 1838 D Quarter in SAINT JAMES WESTMINSTER Volume 01 Page 88 I paged through the enumeration of the St Marylebone workhouse & infirmary in the 1841 census, but found no sign of her there then If she emigrated in 1852, she should be in the 1851 census Searching for Ellen and variants HOGAN born 1832 +/- 1 year finds only two candidates One in Mortlake Surrey a servant aged 19 born Hackney Middlesex And the second in Southwark Surrey a servant aged 19 born Paddington Middlesex Civil registration started in mid 1837, so it was early days for it I found no obvious death registration for an Ellen or similar HOGAN In the London burials on Ancestry I found one Ellen HAGAN burial in St Marylebone in 1837 but she was 22 abode looks like Horace street I paged back from the 26th July 1839 in the St Marylebone burial registers, looking for any burial with abode Nightingale street, I only found one a few days before but a young ASHTON boy, I went back just over a month but no other mention of that address If Irish there is a good chance they were catholic and may not be recorded in a C of E register Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 26/09/2019 07:53, Shirley Steans wrote: > Hi Nirvard > I have asked before but would like to ask again > are these new ancestry workhouse records > My ancestor Ellen , Helen , etc of similar spelling Hogan was admitted to > the St Marlebone Workhouse > I believe born there 1832 and she was orphaned 1839 > her mother had the same name and was Irish and may have died in the > workhouse > if this is so would there be a record of her death and where she is buried > any further help would be very much appreciated > her parents names according to emigration 1852 were Ellen and Edward Hogan > (Irish) > thanku > shirley Beaumont > Australia

Hi Nirvard I have asked before but would like to ask again are these new ancestry workhouse records My ancestor Ellen , Helen , etc of similar spelling Hogan was admitted to the St Marlebone Workhouse I believe born there 1832 and she was orphaned 1839 her mother had the same name and was Irish and may have died in the workhouse if this is so would there be a record of her death and where she is buried any further help would be very much appreciated her parents names according to emigration 1852 were Ellen and Edward Hogan (Irish) thanku shirley Beaumont Australia On Wed, Sep 25, 2019 at 10:13 PM Nivard Ovington <ovington.one@gmail.com> wrote: > > Posting here as well as Surrey as some may not be on both lists > > Hi all > > I suspect Ancestry have struck again ;-) > > I looked up workhouse apprentice records a while back, between 1790 & > 1805ish, thankfully I saved the pages but wanted to check them out again > but when I look at them I find baptisms instead > > London, England, Poor Law and Board of Guardian Records, 1738-1926 > Lambeth > Lambeth > Apprenticeship Papers > 1772-1833 > > Which finds 318 pages > > But page three starts with Lambeth Renfrew rd Workhouse register of births > Vol 1 1857 - 1895 > > Volume 1 of the apprentice records have disappeared > > I believe I have checked all the others under apprentice records but > only volume 1 seems to be missing, 2 and 3 are there > > Unless I am looking in the wrong place of course ;-) > > The names I found previously were > > John FORMIGGINI entered the workhouse aged ten, apprenticed out June 1796 > > Joseph FORMIGINI entered the workhouse aged ten, apprenticed out Nov 1795 > > Mary Ann FORMIGINI born 1791, entered the workhouse Jan 1792 apprenticed > out 1801 > > > > > -- > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > _______________________________________________ > To Post to this list: > london@rootsweb.com > > Contact the Listowner: > Dee Pavey > london-owner@rootsweb.com > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/london@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

Have you looked at this one Name: Age at Death (in years): MOORE, ELEANOR CAROLINE 29 yrs GRO Reference: 1881 D Quarter in WANDSWORTH Volume 01D Page 463 Regards Marg -----Original Message----- From: Eve Ferguson <coysten@hotmail.com> Sent: 20 September 2019 5:40 To: London London <london@rootsweb.com> Subject: [LONDON] Fw: Death of Eleanor??/Ellen/Nelly/Nellie ________________________________________ From: Eve Ferguson <coysten@hotmail.com> Sent: August 29, 2019 1:22 PM To: london@rootsweb.com Subject: [LONDON] Re: Death of Eleanor??/Ellen/Nelly/Nellie ________________________________________ From: Eve Ferguson <Coysten@hotmail.com> Sent: August 8, 2019 4:39 PM To: London London Subject: [LONDON] Death of Eleanor??/Ellen/Nelly/Nellie Did she die 1885 (when her daughter Emily Jane was born) or from then until 1891 (when her Husband Charles Moore says Widower) or did he have her "Put away" for some reason? I have searched and purchased DC's for 20 years but no luck. The Moore Family lived in Islington 1881 they are on Alsen Road, 1891 4.Compton Mews. 1901 10 Mountgrove Road. 1903 Sable Street. and 1908 Sable Street They had babies Baptised in St Stephens Cannonbury Road. Where is the nearest Burial ground for the people of this area? Please can anyone help? I think she is calling me to find her!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 Eve Ferguson _______________________________________________ To Post to this list: london@rootsweb.com Contact the Listowner: Dee Pavey london-owner@rootsweb.com _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/london@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Posting here as well as Surrey as some may not be on both lists Hi all I suspect Ancestry have struck again ;-) I looked up workhouse apprentice records a while back, between 1790 & 1805ish, thankfully I saved the pages but wanted to check them out again but when I look at them I find baptisms instead London, England, Poor Law and Board of Guardian Records, 1738-1926 Lambeth Lambeth Apprenticeship Papers 1772-1833 Which finds 318 pages But page three starts with Lambeth Renfrew rd Workhouse register of births Vol 1 1857 - 1895 Volume 1 of the apprentice records have disappeared I believe I have checked all the others under apprentice records but only volume 1 seems to be missing, 2 and 3 are there Unless I am looking in the wrong place of course ;-) The names I found previously were John FORMIGGINI entered the workhouse aged ten, apprenticed out June 1796 Joseph FORMIGINI entered the workhouse aged ten, apprenticed out Nov 1795 Mary Ann FORMIGINI born 1791, entered the workhouse Jan 1792 apprenticed out 1801 -- Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

I am still seeking information on the origins of my convict GG grandfather recorded at the Old Bailey and on convict records as George Dudley with one reference as George Chapman Dudley, also a name bestowed on his eldest son in Australia. My previous enquiry brought a number of responses but unfortunately did not lead to a definitive answer. This son was the "Informant" to the death registration who named father George Dudley 's parents as Andrew Dudley, Publican, and Maria Parker and that George was born in London. This latter conflicts with the Old Bailey and the convict documents which state his birth as being in Canterbury and his occupation as being a tailor. His birth is stated to have been circa 1800. No marriage between an Andrew Dudley-Maria Parker has been found although there is an 1801 marriage of an Andrew Parker and a Maria Dudley at St. Andrews Holborn. Is it possible that George had been born out of wedlock to a lady named Dudley, or may he have been born Andrew Parker and chose to give his name as Dudley to distance his family from the stain of convictism? The 1841 Census records an Andrew Parker aged 64, ie 24 in 1801; listed with him is a child Henry Parker aged 10, possibly a grandchild. Peter Strauss Melbourne --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Thanks done that!! ________________________________________ From: Neil Adlington <mrneiladlington@gmail.com> Sent: September 20, 2019 12:21 PM To: london@rootsweb.com Subject: [LONDON] Re: Fw: Death of Eleanor??/Ellen/Nelly/Nellie Try deceased online.com for possible burials On Thu, 19 Sep 2019, 20:40 Eve Ferguson, <coysten@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > ________________________________________ > From: Eve Ferguson <coysten@hotmail.com> > Sent: August 29, 2019 1:22 PM > To: london@rootsweb.com > Subject: [LONDON] Re: Death of Eleanor??/Ellen/Nelly/Nellie > > ________________________________________ > From: Eve Ferguson <Coysten@hotmail.com> > Sent: August 8, 2019 4:39 PM > To: London London > Subject: [LONDON] Death of Eleanor??/Ellen/Nelly/Nellie > > Did she die 1885 (when her daughter Emily Jane was born) or from then > until 1891 (when her Husband Charles Moore says Widower) or did he have > her "Put away" for some reason? I have searched and purchased DC's for 20 > years but no luck. The Moore Family lived in Islington 1881 they are > on Alsen Road, 1891 4.Compton Mews. 1901 10 Mountgrove Road. 1903 > Sable Street. and 1908 Sable Street They had babies Baptised in St > Stephens Cannonbury Road. Where is the nearest Burial ground for the > people of this area? Please can anyone help? I think she is calling me to > find her!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 > Eve Ferguson > > _______________________________________________ > To Post to this list: > london@rootsweb.com > > Contact the Listowner: > Dee Pavey > london-owner@rootsweb.com > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/london@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > _______________________________________________ To Post to this list: london@rootsweb.com Contact the Listowner: Dee Pavey london-owner@rootsweb.com _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/london@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Try deceased online.com for possible burials On Thu, 19 Sep 2019, 20:40 Eve Ferguson, <coysten@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > ________________________________________ > From: Eve Ferguson <coysten@hotmail.com> > Sent: August 29, 2019 1:22 PM > To: london@rootsweb.com > Subject: [LONDON] Re: Death of Eleanor??/Ellen/Nelly/Nellie > > ________________________________________ > From: Eve Ferguson <Coysten@hotmail.com> > Sent: August 8, 2019 4:39 PM > To: London London > Subject: [LONDON] Death of Eleanor??/Ellen/Nelly/Nellie > > Did she die 1885 (when her daughter Emily Jane was born) or from then > until 1891 (when her Husband Charles Moore says Widower) or did he have > her "Put away" for some reason? I have searched and purchased DC's for 20 > years but no luck. The Moore Family lived in Islington 1881 they are > on Alsen Road, 1891 4.Compton Mews. 1901 10 Mountgrove Road. 1903 > Sable Street. and 1908 Sable Street They had babies Baptised in St > Stephens Cannonbury Road. Where is the nearest Burial ground for the > people of this area? Please can anyone help? I think she is calling me to > find her!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 > Eve Ferguson > > _______________________________________________ > To Post to this list: > london@rootsweb.com > > Contact the Listowner: > Dee Pavey > london-owner@rootsweb.com > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/london@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

________________________________________ From: Eve Ferguson <coysten@hotmail.com> Sent: August 29, 2019 1:22 PM To: london@rootsweb.com Subject: [LONDON] Re: Death of Eleanor??/Ellen/Nelly/Nellie ________________________________________ From: Eve Ferguson <Coysten@hotmail.com> Sent: August 8, 2019 4:39 PM To: London London Subject: [LONDON] Death of Eleanor??/Ellen/Nelly/Nellie Did she die 1885 (when her daughter Emily Jane was born) or from then until 1891 (when her Husband Charles Moore says Widower) or did he have her "Put away" for some reason? I have searched and purchased DC's for 20 years but no luck. The Moore Family lived in Islington 1881 they are on Alsen Road, 1891 4.Compton Mews. 1901 10 Mountgrove Road. 1903 Sable Street. and 1908 Sable Street They had babies Baptised in St Stephens Cannonbury Road. Where is the nearest Burial ground for the people of this area? Please can anyone help? I think she is calling me to find her!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 Eve Ferguson _______________________________________________ To Post to this list: london@rootsweb.com Contact the Listowner: Dee Pavey london-owner@rootsweb.com _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/london@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community