I need help please. I will be coming to London in May and hope to see some of the places my ancestors lived and were buried. However I have had little success in finding out about whether these cemeteries still exist. My BASS / BASSE line has many births, christenings and burials listed at St Helen Bishopsgate, London, England - the earliest being 1616. I have been unable to get any information at all about whether there is still a cemetery or burials in tombs or anything. Every time I have contacted St. Helen Bishopsgate I have received no reply. Their website appears to be a contemporary church for the youth which is meeting in the original St. Helen Bisopsgate. Would someone please tell me a little about this church and let me know if I will be able to see where my ancestors are buried at this church? Would I inquire at this church about the christenings or are the records kept elsewhere? Thank you so much in advance, Leslie Moore from Tennessee, USA

dear folks, I am wondering if it is possible to find death indexes for years 2007-2010? that is, after Findmypast, who have death searches up to 2006. thanks Liz of BC Canada

Hi Anne I think a mixture of the two is most likely. So if more than one person needed to be buried at the same time (quite likely in such a busy cemetery) they would be interred together, otherwise the grave would simply be re-opened each time it was needed until it was full and another one started. Forgive me for being pedantic, but the term "graveyard" is incorrect here. A graveyard is a burial ground attached to a church, whilst the establishment we are discussing here is a cemetery - a purpose-built location (private or municipal) for the burial of the dead quite separate from a church. "St Pancras" in this context does not refer to the church which bears that name, but to the Poor Law Guardians of the *civil* parish. Hope this helps Caroline > > I have quite a few relatives buried in St Pancras graveyard the last in > 1929.They are buried with about 12 other people.Were they saved up and > buried en mass or separately in the same spot when the need arose? >  Just curious >  Anne NZ.

George, presuming they were living in London first search gives 2: Name: William Cooper Age: 23 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Ellen Cooper Gender: Male Where born: Greenwich, Kent, England Civil parish: Greenwich Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter Town: Greenwich County/Island: London Country: England Street Address: 3 Pearson St Occupation: General Labourer Condition as to marriage: Registration district: Greenwich Sub-registration district: Greenwich West ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age William Cooper 23 Ellen Cooper 23 William Cooper 1 Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 508; Folio 83; Page 13 The other has a wife Ellen aged 35 and a son William aged 10 He was born in Lambeth and Is living in Pancras. Anne On 24 Mar 2011, at 19:36, George Corrigan wrote: > Can SKS do a lookup in 1891 uk census for the above family. In the census their ages should be, 22, 20 & 1. > Thank You > George Corrigan

Hi Robert, I looked at these records on microfilm at LMA a number of years ago. The first few years were almost totally unreadable, but I dont know whether that was poor microfilming or that the original records were also very faint. Sandra Smith

Whilst I was able to find the plot numbers for both my maternal grandparents at the LMA the actual location of the plots is not known. The problem is they were both public graves. Grandma, who died in the Spanish Flu epidemic in 1919 is in the company of 11 others according to the LMA records! Chris ________________________________ From: Anne Peat <anne.peat@bigwindows.demon.co.uk> To: Robert Webb <robert@robw1.plus.com> Cc: London list post <LONDON@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, 25 March, 2011 8:36:25 Subject: Re: [LON] Tower Hamlets cemetry Robert Have a look at the website of the Friends of the Cemetery http://www.towerhamletscemetery.org/thcpM&H.html which says the records of burials are now in the London Metropolitan Archives. Some of the London burial records at the LMA have been transcribed and are now online at Ancestry.com. Anne On 24 Mar 2011, at 18:40, Robert Webb wrote: > Does anyone know the present state of the Tower Hamlets cemetery and are there >good searchable records of burials 1848 to 1871 – and is the cemetery worth a >visit? > Robert > in North Wales ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ This mailing list works in parallel with the London surname interest list on the web at http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/london.html .  Check for matching interests and add your own ! Any problems, please contact the List Admin: LONDON-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LONDON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Bruce Effectively, yes. The two sections were administered separately to begin with, but are now managed as one mammoth cemetery, known as the St Pancras and Islington Cemetery. In case you didn't already know, the burial records from both of these are available at www.deceasedonline.co.uk (free to search, pay per view to see images). Annoyingly, but understandably, the older records are separate for each "half", so you may need to search both when doing an advanced search. HTH Caroline > > Hi > > Are the cemeteries of St Pancras , Camden & Islington on the same > grounds? > > thanks > >

Google brings up St Pancras Cemetery http://www.islington.gov.uk/environment/cemeteries/stpancras_cemetery.asp There are separate entries for Islington Cemetery http://www.islington.gov.uk/environment/cemeteries/islington_cemetery.asp Hampstead Cemetery http://www.islington.gov.uk/environment/cemeteries/hampsteadcemetery.asp and Trent Park Cemetery http://www.islington.gov.uk/environment/cemeteries/trent_park_cemetery.asp The Camden Council site covers the Pancras and Hamstead cemeteries http://tinyurl.com/mxhohr HTH Anne On 25 Mar 2011, at 09:55, Bruce W Graham wrote: > Hi > > Are the cemeteries of St Pancras , Camden & Islington on the same > grounds? > > thanks >

Robert Have a look at the website of the Friends of the Cemetery http://www.towerhamletscemetery.org/thcpM&H.html which says the records of burials are now in the London Metropolitan Archives. Some of the London burial records at the LMA have been transcribed and are now online at Ancestry.com. Anne On 24 Mar 2011, at 18:40, Robert Webb wrote: > Does anyone know the present state of the Tower Hamlets cemetery and are there good searchable records of burials 1848 to 1871 – and is the cemetery worth a visit? > Robert > in North Wales

Hi Are the cemeteries of St Pancras , Camden & Islington on the same grounds? thanks

Hi Liz By coincidence I replied to a similar enquiry earlier today on another list I would first have a read of the research guide http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/research-guides/divorce-after-1858.htm Then go to http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/ Under the records menu go to the Catalogue Enter the surname of interest in the first box and in the Department or Series code enter J77 But do read the research guide first In reply to your last question, no, not legally anyway, you could remarry if the first marriage was annulled (unlikely) they were divorced, or one or other passed away Many people simply didn't bother with the formalities and remarried regardless, giving either false information or omitting the pertinent parts Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > hi folks, Is there somewhere I can lookup a divorce for ALBERT EDWARD > KEEFE? > He had married "Jean" Lilian Hale in Kensington, 1929; he was 24 and > she was "38" . We had heard that the marriage did not last. His > father was listed as "John Keefe" hawker. > > I ordered a death Cert for Albert Edward Keefe in Limehouse/Poplar, > 1944; he was 39 [that "fits" ] and died of tuberculosis. By now, this > Albert Edward Keefe had a wife name Katherine. [informant] > [he was working at a munitions works]. I then found a marriage for > Albert Edward Keefe in Leicester 1943, to Katherine Mann. > > there was a birth for Albert Edward Keefe in Kensington 1905 and a > baptism of Albert Edward Keefe to parents John and Annie Keefe. 1911 > Census showed him living at Nottinghill. > I believe all this to be the same ALBERT EDWARD KEEFE [FMP, Ancestry > and Freebmd, do not offer any good alternatives]. > > So in order to marry Katherine Mann, I would think he had divorced > "Jean" Lilian Hale. Given the disruption of WW2 on folks' lives, one > might expect he could have been in Leicester for a marriage. > > OR ? was it possible to remarry without a legal divorce? > As usual, I am hunting for my elusive "Lilian Hale Keefe". > thanks Liz of BC Canada

Does anyone know the present state of the Tower Hamlets cemetery and are there good searchable records of burials 1848 to 1871 – and is the cemetery worth a visit? Robert in North Wales

thanks Nivard, for the divorce records info...no evidence of either Jean Lilian Hale Keefe or Albert E Keefe in the records at NA...I suspect Albert Keefe couldnt find Lilian...if, as the family thinks, she was living on the streets of London. Maybe he didnt want to find her? Liz On Mar 24, 2011, at 2:34 PM, Nivard Ovington wrote: > In reply to your last question, no, not legally anyway, you could > remarry if the first marriage was annulled (unlikely) they were > divorced, or one or other passed away > > Many people simply didn't bother with the formalities and remarried > regardless, giving either false information or omitting the pertinent > parts > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > >> hi folks, Is there somewhere I can lookup a divorce for ALBERT EDWARD >> KEEFE? >> He had married "Jean" Lilian Hale in Kensington, 1929; he was 24 and >> she was "38" . We had heard that the marriage did not last. His >> father was listed as "John Keefe" hawker. >> >> >> So in order to marry Katherine Mann, I would think he had divorced >> "Jean" Lilian Hale. >> OR ? was it possible to remarry without a legal divorce? >> As usual, I am hunting for my elusive "Lilian Hale Keefe". >> thanks Liz of BC Canada >

Can SKS do a lookup in 1891 uk census for the above family. In the census their ages should be, 22, 20 & 1. Thank You George Corrigan

hi folks, Is there somewhere I can lookup a divorce for ALBERT EDWARD KEEFE? He had married "Jean" Lilian Hale in Kensington, 1929; he was 24 and she was "38" . We had heard that the marriage did not last. His father was listed as "John Keefe" hawker. I ordered a death Cert for Albert Edward Keefe in Limehouse/Poplar, 1944; he was 39 [that "fits" ] and died of tuberculosis. By now, this Albert Edward Keefe had a wife name Katherine. [informant] [he was working at a munitions works]. I then found a marriage for Albert Edward Keefe in Leicester 1943, to Katherine Mann. there was a birth for Albert Edward Keefe in Kensington 1905 and a baptism of Albert Edward Keefe to parents John and Annie Keefe. 1911 Census showed him living at Nottinghill. I believe all this to be the same ALBERT EDWARD KEEFE [FMP, Ancestry and Freebmd, do not offer any good alternatives]. So in order to marry Katherine Mann, I would think he had divorced "Jean" Lilian Hale. Given the disruption of WW2 on folks' lives, one might expect he could have been in Leicester for a marriage. OR ? was it possible to remarry without a legal divorce? As usual, I am hunting for my elusive "Lilian Hale Keefe". thanks Liz of BC Canada

Architects used to do lovely illustrations of their buildings in watercolours. Perhaps they were in an exhibition. Shirley ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Lankshear" <ronlank@yahoo.com.au> To: "nicholas wilson" <wilsonnicholas90@gmail.com> Cc: <LONDON@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 6:09 PM Subject: Re: [LON] ROYAL ACADEMY EXHIBITIONS C1840 >> I recently came across an obituary of an ancestor and it noted that he >> had >> exhibited at the Royal Academy from time to time. Since he was an >> architect >> (and practised next door on Sackville Street) I wonder what form the >> exhibits would have taken. Architectural drawings? He was far from being >> famous

George a plate layer Ron Lankshear -Sydney NSW (from London-Shepherds Bush/Chiswick) try my links http://freepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lankshear/ On 2011-03-22 7:36 PM, KSCKE@aol.com wrote: > Hope someone can help and has acess to the parish registers of St Pancras > Old church I am trying to find the marriage of Jeremiah John Clark who > married Henrietta Hanson December 25th 1873 at St Pancras..More than anything > I would like to know his father as I can't find a definate census return > before his marriage.. > > Finding his father would help give clues to my ancestry as I link with > through my YDNA..I really hope someone can help... > > best regards, > > Keith

Hello Listers My great grandmother, Margaret Douglas, (born c1865 in Edinburgh, Scotland) travelled to New Zealand aboard the ship 'Oxford' arriving here in July 1883. She travelled as part of the Church of England 'Girls Friendly Society' emigration scheme. The Oxford first sailed from Plymouth in Jan 1883. The passage was well documented, with the ship encountering a gale in the Bay of Biscay, was dismasted & had to return to Cardiff. Passengers were sent by special train to Plymouth where they were to remain until the ship was refitted. An outbreak of typhoid occurred at the depot. The ship set sail again in April with another outbreak of typhoid fever on its journey here. >From the information & records Margaret has given here in NZ, I am unable to trace any of her family in Scotland. (Maybe she was a runaway?). I was hoping that the 'G.F.Society' may have records that I could check. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Helen NZ

And finally (he changed his birthplace!) in 1871 Name: John Clark Age: 23 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848 Relation: Son Father's Name: George Clark Mother's Name: Sarah Clark Gender: Male Where born: Kentish Town Address: 4 York Place Civil parish: St Pancras Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch County/Island: London Country: England Registration district: Pancras Sub-registration district: Somers Town ED, institution, or vessel: 17 Household schedule number: 47 Household Members: Name Age George Clark 48 Labourer, bricklayer Sarah Clark 47 John Clark 23 - carman George Clark 4 born Calvados, France Ellen Clark 11born London Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 226; Folio: 78; Page: 38 HTH Anne On 22 Mar 2011, at 08:36, KSCKE@aol.com wrote: > > Hello listers, > Hope someone can help and has acess to the parish registers of St Pancras > Old church I am trying to find the marriage of Jeremiah John Clark who > married Henrietta Hanson December 25th 1873 at St Pancras..More than anything > I would like to know his father as I can't find a definate census return > before his marriage.. > > Finding his father would help give clues to my ancestry as I link with > through my YDNA..I really hope someone can help... > > best regards, > > Keith > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > This mailing list works in parallel with the London surname interest list on the web at http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/london.html . Check for matching interests and add your own ! > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: LONDON-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LONDON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am trying to put lots of MESSER families from 1700-1800 together!!! They lived in northern & eastern London - really from Ealing to Mile End Town/Stepney area. I have Non Conformist MESSERs who were Quakers; MESSERs who were Instrument Makers in Islington & St George in the East to MESSERs who were Ropemakers, Grocers & Weavers. I would love to hear from any other MESSER family researchers! Prominent names - Joseph, William, Benjamin, Richard, Thomas, Samuel, Ann, Mary, Frances, Susannah. Barbara in Sydney Australia