I noticed that Ancestry has 1911 census summary sheets. While I was reviewing our Chambers families addresses, I discovered there is a Chambers family living at 68 Bendon Valley, Civil parish of Wandsworth. There are 4 males and 2 females living there. Over the years the family moved around quite a bit and Bendon Valley was one of their addresses. Would anyone have access to the 1911 census that could tell me the names of the Chambers family at the Bendon Valley address? Much appreciated! Pat

George, London C is the City of London registration district. Details of it here. http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/london%20city.html Tower Hamlets is not far away from London City. The history of the registration district can be found here http://www.thbmd.co.uk/history.php on a site where you can also search and order Tower Hamlets BMD certificates. Solihull is in Warwickshire, near Birmingham - a good distance away. http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/solihull.html Both were targets during WW2. If you Google the names of the district and "Blitz' you should get information. What was the occupation of the father of the children you think were born in London and Solihull? Is it something that would have taken him around the ocuntry, so making it more likely they were born in different places? HTH Anne On 12 Apr 2011, at 19:02, George Corrigan wrote: > I have a list of a married couple and their children and the last 2 children were registered births in "London C. and Solihull ", can someone tell me > how close to each other are they? The last two births were in 1913 and 1914. Is Solihull in a different County then London C. ? I have cousins in > what is known as Tower Hamlets.I have them in 1891, 1901 and 1911uk census. I also found that these places were leveled in WW 2, are there > any sites online that would give me more info on the destruction. > George Corrigan > Buffalo,NY.USA

Hi George, Being from the Netherlands but having frequently visited Solihull I wanted to reply with what I know. I assume London C is London Central Solihull (country West Midlands) however is very close to Birmingham and Coventry. I even think there is a part called Lyndon could your source be misspelled? Have a look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solihull Kind Regards, Frans Utt The Netherlands, Op 12 apr 2011, om 20:02 heeft George Corrigan het volgende geschreven: > I have a list of a married couple and their children and the last 2 children were registered births in "London C. and Solihull ", can someone tell me > how close to each other are they? The last two births were in 1913 and 1914. Is Solihull in a different County then London C. ? I have cousins in > what is known as Tower Hamlets.I have them in 1891, 1901 and 1911uk census. I also found that these places were leveled in WW 2, are there > any sites online that would give me more info on the destruction. > George Corrigan > Buffalo,NY.USA > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > This mailing list works in parallel with the London surname interest list on the web at http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/london.html . Check for matching interests and add your own ! > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: LONDON-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LONDON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Pieta Commiseration's on your find and also congratulations on your find Unfortunately official adoption only started in 1927 in England and Wales As to what line to research, only you can decide that but if it were me I would want to know about any line, the people you knew of as your great grandparents had a profound effect on your line, blood or not so why would you not want to research them What do they say, nature or nurture ? Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > I finally broke down one brick wall only to hit another one. I had been > trying to find the births of my grandfather Charles (Koppe/Kappe) and his > brother Francis Henry (EVANs) b 1904 with no luck. There had been some hazy > family story about my grandfather not knowing who his real father was. This

Hi George If you go to google, select Maps Enter Solihull to London You will find its approximately 114 miles Are you sure you have the right births ? Its not impossible but they are a fair distance apart For more on the majority of places in England and Wales, try entering the place name and the word Genuki into google So for example :- Solihull Genuki It will usually answer your question Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) >I have a list of a married couple and their children and the last 2 children were registered births >in "London C. and Solihull ", can someone tell me > how close to each other are they? The last two births were in 1913 and 1914. Is Solihull in a > different County then London C. ? I have cousins in > what is known as Tower Hamlets.I have them in 1891, 1901 and 1911uk census. I also found that > these places were leveled in WW 2, are there > any sites online that would give me more info on the destruction. > George Corrigan > Buffalo,NY.USA

Hello list I finally broke down one brick wall only to hit another one. I had been trying to find the births of my grandfather Charles (Koppe/Kappe) and his brother Francis Henry (EVANs) b 1904 with no luck. There had been some hazy family story about my grandfather not knowing who his real father was. This now turns out to be true as I received a military record of great grandfather Fredrick Wm Burton that shows both Charles and Francis as adopted but not from the same family. I was over the moon to find their original surnames (although hard to read) on this record as they both took the surname of Burton in later years. Francis is shown on 1911 as the nephew (with the wrong second name) of my great grandparents so thought that might be relatively easy to track down his parents so got his birth cert and it shows he was born in the Union Workhouse Wandsworth and shows the parents as married not mum as a single mum. My question is could the whole family have been in the workhouse or is it more likely that the father may have passed away and mum and child ended up there and then my great grandparents being family took in the child Frances. Fathers occupation shown as Commercial Clerk on the birth cert - what would this be? Charles is not on the 1911 and his birth year that we are aware of was in 1911 but we have no hard evidence of that - but his death and marriage certs do indicate about that time frame is correct. There was a Charles Kappe/Koppe on 1911 born 1909 still with his family so can't sure that this is him. Also have tried to google on when formal adoptions started in UK but can only seem to find information relating on current adoption, not back in the early 1900s, so could anyone tell me if in 1904 and 1911ish it would have been likely that my grandfather and his brother were formally adopted and there would be records, or it is more likely an arrangement between families at the time. As mentioned by both took on the name of Burton by the time they were married as this shows up on both their marriage certs. Also what do other people do. It turns out the Burtons are not my blood great grandparents. Do I continue to research them or do I try to follow the Kappe/Koppe line or is that just a personal choice to follow which ever or both. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Cheers, Pieta Townsville, Qld, Australia

Hi Liz The thing you would have to ask, would Albert have known his first wife was still alive ? If he thought she was dead he may have thought he was marrying legitimately Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > well! I received Albert Edward Keefe's 2nd marriage certificate and he > is listed as "widower" in 1943, when he married Kathleen ...I am > fairly certain it's the right guy...[Albert Edward Keefe birth > registered 1905 and baptism as St Clements Notting HIll, 1905 to "John" > and father of "John Keefe" listed in both marriages, 1929 and 1943- > ages correct]... now , we know that the first wife was still alive in > 1943, but as this list knows from my frequent postings looking for > LILIAN HALE KEEFE, who "lived under the arches", finding her has been > very difficult.. well, I guess he just couldnt find her either? > This was followup to Albert Keefe's death in 1944 from TB at St Andrews > hospital and living at Limehouse, Poplar. > cheers Liz

hi Nivard, and yes, that is possible that he thought her dead. I also wondered if he had married another between the two marriages, but does not seem so based on Marriages at Freebmd. "my poor Lilian"! thanks liz On Apr 12, 2011, at 1:42 PM, Nivard Ovington wrote: > Hi Liz > The thing you would have to ask, would Albert have known his first > wife was still alive ? > > If he thought she was dead he may have thought he was marrying > legitimately > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > >> well! I received Albert Edward Keefe's 2nd marriage certificate and >> he is listed as "widower" in 1943, when he married Kathleen ...I am >> fairly certain it's the right guy...[Albert Edward Keefe birth >> registered 1905 and baptism as St Clements Notting HIll, 1905 to >> "John" and father of "John Keefe" listed in both marriages, 1929 and >> 1943- ages correct]... now , we know that the first wife was still >> alive in 1943, but as this list knows from my frequent postings >> looking for LILIAN HALE KEEFE, who "lived under the arches", finding >> her has been very difficult.. well, I guess he just couldnt find her >> either? >> This was followup to Albert Keefe's death in 1944 from TB at St >> Andrews hospital and living at Limehouse, Poplar. >> cheers Liz >

I have a list of a married couple and their children and the last 2 children were registered births in "London C. and Solihull ", can someone tell me how close to each other are they? The last two births were in 1913 and 1914. Is Solihull in a different County then London C. ? I have cousins in what is known as Tower Hamlets.I have them in 1891, 1901 and 1911uk census. I also found that these places were leveled in WW 2, are there any sites online that would give me more info on the destruction. George Corrigan Buffalo,NY.USA

well! I received Albert Edward Keefe's 2nd marriage certificate and he is listed as "widower" in 1943, when he married Kathleen ...I am fairly certain it's the right guy...[Albert Edward Keefe birth registered 1905 and baptism as St Clements Notting HIll, 1905 to "John" and father of "John Keefe" listed in both marriages, 1929 and 1943- ages correct]... now , we know that the first wife was still alive in 1943, but as this list knows from my frequent postings looking for LILIAN HALE KEEFE, who "lived under the arches", finding her has been very difficult.. well, I guess he just couldnt find her either? This was followup to Albert Keefe's death in 1944 from TB at St Andrews hospital and living at Limehouse, Poplar. cheers Liz > > In reply to your last question, no, not legally anyway, you could > remarry if the first marriage was annulled (unlikely) they were > divorced, or one or other passed away > > Many people simply didn't bother with the formalities and remarried > regardless, giving either false information or omitting the pertinent > parts > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) >

Hello Meg, Thank you for your email. I checked both James and Lucy DRAPER and Margaret G BAYLEY (BAZLEY has been transcribed incorrectly as BAYLEY more than once) but sadly they are not the ones I am looking for. I am waiting for some research from Devon CRO and hope that they may throw up some light as to where the elusive Margaret BAZLEY was in the 1860's!! Many thanks again for your email. Lesley Abraham. Isle of Wight. ----- Original Message ----- From: <farcons@comcast.net> To: "Lesley Abraham" <lesleyabraham@btinternet.com> Cc: <LONDON@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 1:18 AM Subject: Re: [LON] MARGARET BAZLEY. Hello Meg, > > Hi Lesley, I believe this could be the Sisters': > > 1861 Census - 26, Gilbert St. St. George Hanover Sq. Middx > > James Drake 66 b 1795 Taunton, Somerset, Traveller > Lucy 54 b 1807 Bath, Somerset....Could Caroline have used a second > Christian name?? > > 1861 Census - 19, Montpelier Crescent, Brighton, Sussex > > Hd. Margaret G. Bayley 58 b 1803 London, Middx School Mistress > Niece Eliza J. Turner 29 b 1832 USA (Brit. Sub) Assistant > Visitor Constantine G. Curd 35 b 1826 France (Brit. Sub) > > Death - Margaret Bazley bc 1795 Died Jun/1878 Westhampnett, Sussex, Vol 2B > Page 229 > > 1881 Census - Glamis St, 3, Beaumont Terr. S. Bersted, Sussex > > Wid. Hd. Caroline Drake 73 b 1808 Okehampton, Dev. Annuitant > > 1891 Census - May Cottages, Little Landsdowne, S. Bersted, Sussex > > Hd. Wid. Caroline Drake 81 b 1810, Okehampton, Devon, Living on Own Means > > 1 Svt. > > Death - Caroline Drake 87 yrs, bc 1810 Died Jun/1897 Westhampnett, Sussex, > Vol 2B Page 221 > > Hope this helps......Meg > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 6027 (20110408) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > >

This is free and the same data is also on Ancestry for free search http://www.freebmd.org.uk Deaths Dec 1873 Fitzpatrick Susan Louisa 80 Lewisham vol 1d page 608 With that detail you can order DC from http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/ at 9.25 GBP I usually group a batch of orders so the credit card conversion fee is spread Info on UK DCs is not as detailed as Aust ones. It might have an informant you know Ron Lankshear -Sydney NSW (from London-Shepherds Bush/Chiswick) try my links http://freepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lankshear/ On 2011-04-09 6:16 PM, Suzanne England wrote: > I am new to this list, and just starting on my search for family in > England so would appreciate any assistance on how to order a death > certificate from the GRO. > > My gt gt grandmother, Susan Louisa FITZPATRICK nee Woolls, died in > Blackheath, Dec 16th 1872 or 3 aged 80 according to the nespaper, the > Sydney Morning Herald; and October 1873, Lewisham, Kent according to > ancestry.com.uk. > > Is there an online GRO index that will allow me to verify the year of > death and order the certificate? (In NSW I order online thru The > Births Deaths and Marriage Registry by quoting an index no. available > through their site) >

Suzanne asked for assistance with a GRO reference for > Susan Louisa FITZPATRICK nee Woolls, died in > Blackheath, Dec 16th 1872 or 3 aged 80 according to the nespaper, the > Sydney Morning Herald; and October 1873, Lewisham, Kent according to > ancestry.com.uk. Suzanne, the death was registered in Lewisham registration district (which covers Blackheath) in the December Quarter (Oct - Dec) of 1873. The index reference is volume 1d, page 608 which you will need if you order from www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content Best wishes Kim Hull, East Yorkshire

Hi Sue You can search for births, marriages and deaths for all of England and Wales here http://www.freebmd.org.uk/ It is an ongoing project but fairly complete up to 1930+ Once you have the reference you can order online here http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/ The reference for your lady is as follows :- Name: Susan Louisa Fitzpatrick Estimated Birth Year: abt 1793 Year of Registration: 1873 Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec Age at Death: 80 District: Lewisham County: Greater London, Kent, London Volume: 1d Page: 608 Are you sure you acyually want it though? I ask as its £9.25 and may not tell you a great deal Details on our death certs are very sparse What were you hoping to learn from it ? Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Hi all, > > I am new to this list, and just starting on my search for family in > England so would appreciate any assistance on how to order a death > certificate from the GRO. > > My gt gt grandmother, Susan Louisa FITZPATRICK nee Woolls, died in > Blackheath, Dec 16th 1872 or 3 aged 80 according to the nespaper, the > Sydney Morning Herald; and October 1873, Lewisham, Kent according to > ancestry.com.uk. > > Is there an online GRO index that will allow me to verify the year of > death and order the certificate? (In NSW I order online thru The > Births Deaths and Marriage Registry by quoting an index no. available > through their site) > > Many thanks, > > Cheers > > Sue > (central west, NSW)

Hello Sue The death of your Susan Louisa aged 60 was registered in Lewisham during the December quarter of 1873. The GRO reference is 1d 608. I found this via: - http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl You can order the certificate from the GRO at: - http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/ I hope this helps. Adrian Yorkshire ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzanne England" <suee@fitzossory.com> To: <london@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 9:16 AM Subject: [LON] obtaining death certificates from GRO > Hi all, > > I am new to this list, and just starting on my search for family in > England so would appreciate any assistance on how to order a death > certificate from the GRO. > > My gt gt grandmother, Susan Louisa FITZPATRICK nee Woolls, died in > Blackheath, Dec 16th 1872 or 3 aged 80 according to the nespaper, the > Sydney Morning Herald; and October 1873, Lewisham, Kent according to > ancestry.com.uk. > > Is there an online GRO index that will allow me to verify the year of > death and order the certificate? (In NSW I order online thru The > Births Deaths and Marriage Registry by quoting an index no. available > through their site) > > Many thanks, > > Cheers > > Sue > (central west, NSW) > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > This mailing list works in parallel with the London surname interest list > on the web at http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/london.html . Check for > matching interests and add your own ! > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: LONDON-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LONDON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Hi all, I am new to this list, and just starting on my search for family in England so would appreciate any assistance on how to order a death certificate from the GRO. My gt gt grandmother, Susan Louisa FITZPATRICK nee Woolls, died in Blackheath, Dec 16th 1872 or 3 aged 80 according to the nespaper, the Sydney Morning Herald; and October 1873, Lewisham, Kent according to ancestry.com.uk. Is there an online GRO index that will allow me to verify the year of death and order the certificate? (In NSW I order online thru The Births Deaths and Marriage Registry by quoting an index no. available through their site) Many thanks, Cheers Sue (central west, NSW)

Maybe News agent? I can't think of too many likely types of "agent" that a woman would be in 1841, but that seems quite possible. Her son Edward is a Bookseller's assistant, and in 1851 daughter Sarah is a Bookfolder & sewer, so it seems a related trade. Shame Mary herself is occupationless in 1851 and 1861 (didn't look any further). Refs for 1851 & 1861 if you don't have them: HO107; Piece: 1512; Folio: 139; Page: 15 RG9; Piece: 147; Folio: 24; Page: 45 Cheers, Katherine On 8/04/2011 8:05 PM, David Roberts wrote: > Hello List! > I am interested in the occupation of Mary Knight, age 37, on HO 107 piece > 661 Book/folio 6/10 page 13. > > It is ?? agent but I can't decipher it. > > Anyone any ideas? > > Regards > > David Roberts

I wondered about Book Agent or House Agent? But very difficult to read! Anne On 8 Apr 2011, at 11:05, David Roberts wrote: > Hello List! > I am interested in the occupation of Mary Knight, age 37, on HO 107 piece > 661 Book/folio 6/10 page 13. > > It is ?? agent but I can't decipher it. > > Anyone any ideas? > > Regards > > David Roberts

Hello David, ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Roberts" <david@roberts-productions.com> > I am interested in the occupation of Mary Knight, age 37, on HO 107 piece > 661 Book/folio 6/10 page 13. > > It is ?? agent but I can't decipher it. > > Anyone any ideas?> > Regards> > David Roberts > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I can see why some see "News", but, to muddy the waters, I can also see "House". However, I thought the enumerator did not use this style of 'H' until on page 22 I found 'Hellen Ford / 68 / Housekeeper' where he uses his normal 'H' for Hellen but this form for 'Housekeeper' Directories may give a clue Regards John Henley

Lesley wrote: <<I am new to this list and hope that someone may be able to help me. I have been researching Margaret BAZLEY b. 1794 to Aaron and Mary BAZLEY in Okehampton, Devon. She became a school teacher in Bath and governess/head mistress at Godolphin School, Salisbury. She retired in 1854. The National Provincial Bank put notices in various newpapers throughout the country of the "persons of whom the company or partnership consists" with an address and Mary BAZLEY turns up in 1863(in the Hampshire Telegraph & Sussex Chronicle) at 6 Denbigh Road, Kensington Park, W, in 1867 she is at 6 Colville Road, Bayswater. There she stays (according to the NPB) until 1871 when she is at Upper Bognor, Sussex. Does anyone have access to any directories of London for the dates of 1863, 1866, 1867, 1868, 1869, and 1870 and is Margaret Bazley mentioned in any of them? I am also looking for her widowed sister Caroline DRAKE who may be living with her, as they were living together before Caroline's marriage in 1852 and after 1871>> Hi Lesley, I believe this could be the Sisters': 1861 Census - 26, Gilbert St. St. George Hanover Sq. Middx James Drake 66 b 1795 Taunton, Somerset, Traveller Lucy 54 b 1807 Bath, Somerset....Could Caroline have used a second Christian name?? 1861 Census - 19, Montpelier Crescent, Brighton, Sussex Hd. Margaret G. Bayley 58 b 1803 London, Middx School Mistress Niece Eliza J. Turner 29 b 1832 USA (Brit. Sub) Assistant Visitor Constantine G. Curd 35 b 1826 France (Brit. Sub) Death - Margaret Bazley bc 1795 Died Jun/1878 Westhampnett, Sussex, Vol 2B Page 229 1881 Census - Glamis St, 3, Beaumont Terr. S. Bersted, Sussex Wid. Hd. Caroline Drake 73 b 1808 Okehampton, Dev. Annuitant 1891 Census - May Cottages, Little Landsdowne, S. Bersted, Sussex Hd. Wid. Caroline Drake 81 b 1810, Okehampton, Devon, Living on Own Means 1 Svt. Death - Caroline Drake 87 yrs, bc 1810 Died Jun/1897 Westhampnett, Sussex, Vol 2B Page 221 Hope this helps......Meg