Decidely Not Strand is a very main thorougfare running in central London near to Charing Cross station. It known in main verses "I was walking along the Strand one day" Strand on the Green is a road and a walkway along the bank of the Thames in Chiswick. (I used to live in Riverview Grove at one end of Strand on the Green.) It is just across the River from The National Archives at Kew. A lovely spot with beautiful old houses and nice pubs and most pleasant to stand on the river bank with a glass in hand. Both can be found at http://maps.google.com/ If you are interested in Strand of the Green let me know Ron Lankshear -Sydney NSW (from London-Shepherds Bush/Chiswick) try my links http://freepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lankshear/ On 2011-05-01 3:57 PM, Barbara Hunt wrote: > I would like to know if (the)Strand in London and Strand on the Green are > the same? > >

I would like to know if (the)Strand in London and Strand on the Green are the same? Thank you, Barbara Australia

Sue, in one word :- Wow!!!!! Katie, who suggested nothing more specific than Latin America :) -----Oorspronkelijk bericht---Van: Sue Ashton [mailto:suzinmi@gmail.com] Verzonden: zondag 1 mei 2011 15:34 Hi Helen, I may be all off here ... but a few things that might be worth considering ... I think it was Katie who suggested a link to Argentina ... so I looked at WATKINS from Argentina.

Hi Helen, I glad I posted to you at the same time as to the list as I knew that it sometimes takes a while to show up on the list. At first I couldn't figure out why the father's name was Conrad, but as it was written as Cronard (Conrad) I realised it was a mis-reading of Leonard. You may already have this from Ancestry.com >From Buenos Aires 20th. June 1914, disembarking Liverpool 18th.August 1914, Emily S. Watkins 58 and Dorothy Watkins 18, Country of last residence Argentina for both and Country of intended future residence England. So it appears they wouldn't have been in England for the 1911 census and with births in 1889, 1894 and twins in 1895 in Argentina they would not have been in the '91 or '01 census' In the 1861 census did you notice that Seringa Benwell is a visitor at Augusta Tulloch's home with her husband Joseph, who is a bank manager? Lynne.    

Further to the Ancestry probate index listing for Emily Seringa Watkins, Helen, as mentioned by Ron, Free BMD show a Dorothy WATKINS marrying an Arthur E F SMITH, registration district Christchurch, Hampshire, England in the first quarter of 1916. This may be of interest. And now I shall get off your case ;)) Katie

Following on from Ron's posts, Helen, I'd been going to suggest you try the 1911, but initially hadn't seen her in the index. Great that Ron could point you in the right direction. It might be well worth your while to look at the 1911 yourself, to find out more about the family. If Emily is not on her own in Kensington, there may be children recorded with her who could lead you to an executor or beneficiary mentioned in the probate index in 1931. NB My note on a particularly useful aspect to the 1911 census: widows, women who remarried and women whose husbands were absent on census night were not, I think, required to record how long they had been married or how many children had been born within that marriage, just who was in the house at the time. However, I've found that many parents still did so anyway on the 1911, even knowing the information would be crossed out later, sometimes even by themselves. I don't think many of them did this by mistake. Same for the names of children who had already died. It may have been irrelevant for the census, but it's as though the families understandably felt it was an incomplete record of their lives, so they 'commemorated' the children by recording their existence on the census. My own great grandmother was widowed once, left by her second husband and had been on her own for years by 1911, but it didn't stop her recording 'given birth to 12 children in 49 years of marriage, eight living and four deceased'. Good for her! And thanks for your mail, Helen. I hope you find out more about Emily, her husband and family. Sounds very interesting. This definitely sounds like a case of 'enjoy the trail' :-) Katie -----Oorspronkelijk bericht---Van: london-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:london-bounces@rootsweb.com] Namens Ron Lankshear Verzonden: zondag 1 mei 2011 11:43 Aan: Helen Carter CC: LONDON@rootsweb.com Onderwerp: Re: [LON] 1891 - 1901 Census help needed I think Katie has a good point I just cannot see them in any census and I looked for any surname Emily born c1857-61 married to a Leo*. Missing in 2 census is strange. I see 1931 death in Sussex with probate - which says widow leaving GBP 3033

Hi Helen, I may be all off here ... but a few things that might be worth considering ... I think it was Katie who suggested a link to Argentina ... so I looked at WATKINS from Argentina. Didn't find either Leonard or Emily but there is a Cyril Leonard who has a son Leonard James Cyril among his family who travel to London in 1919. Can't find a birth for the family on FreeBMD ... but they both could be born in Argentina. In my own research when I'm really stumped and it looks like I'm facing four brick walls I turn to Google. So I searched for Leonard WATKINS ... and here's a possible stretch but ... Wikipedia shows a Leonard WATKINS (born 7 Dec 1859 in Abergavenny, Wales). It says he went to Exeter College, Oxford, played rugby for the Welsh team in 1881 a lop-sided match against England and that later in the year he emigrated to Argentina. It also states he died 7 Feb 1901 in Chajari, Argentina. In his 1885 marriage to Emily the marriage register lists his father is Walter Bradley WATKINS, a banker. I found a Leonard in the 1871 Welsh census with father Walter B (borough magistrate, alderman, superintendent registrar, vice counsel for Sweden and Norway, bank manager, landowner) and in the 1881 Welsh census Leonard is again listed with father Walter B (a magistrate, alderman, bank manager, supt registrar) as a 21-year old undergrad at Oxford University. On Ancestry there is one public and one private tree for Walter Bradley Watkins ... they might be able to help you ... at least to either rule in or rule out this family. Hope this helps ... Sue Ashton Dearborn, MI USA

Hi Barbara Two different places. Try these; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strand-on-the-Green http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strand,_London HTH Andy "If you Google, you will find." ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Hunt" <bjhunt@ozemail.com.au> To: <LONDON@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2011 6:57 AM Subject: [LON] STRAND >I would like to know if (the)Strand in London and Strand on the Green are > the same? > > > > Thank you, > > > > Barbara > > Australia > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > This mailing list works in parallel with the London surname interest list > on the web at http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/london.html . Check for > matching interests and add your own ! > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: LONDON-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LONDON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Barbara, I think that Strand of the Green would be in the Chiswick area of West London. Probably Middlesex in the 19th century. Whereas 'The Strand' is indeed in Central London, often St Martin in the Fields parish, adjacent to Trafalgar Square. It has quite a history and you'll find more information and photos on various sites including Wikipedia. A delightful spot near Kew and Chiswick, apparently falling under 'Hounslow' in Greater London for administrative purposes these days. My pleasant memories of it include several lovely riverside pubs... Oh to be in England, now that April's there... Katie de Haan The Netherlands -----Oorspronkelijk bericht--Van: london-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:london-bounces@rootsweb.com] Namens Barbara Hunt Verzonden: zondag 1 mei 2011 7:57 Aan: LONDON@rootsweb.com Onderwerp: [LON] STRAND I would like to know if (the)Strand in London and Strand on the Green are the same? Thank you, Barbara Australia

Hello Helen Drawing similar blanks to your own, I had a look at their marriage record. Could a clue lie in Leonard's occupation, calling or status, given as 'estanciero'? To me, this would suggest that Emily might have spent at least some time abroad in Latin America following her marriage to Leonard in Hampstead. I have to say I haven't homed in on them in any passenger lists up to now, but I'm no longer surprised they're so hard to find in England. Good luck in your trail, Katie de Haan The Netherlands ---Oorspronkelijk bericht--Van: london-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:london-bounces@rootsweb.com] Namens Helen Carter Verzonden: zondag 1 mei 2011 7:06 Aan: LONDON@rootsweb.com Onderwerp: [LON] 1891 - 1901 Census help needed. Can someone please do a lookup of the census 1891 or 1901 for me. WATKINS Emily Seringa b.1859 Hampstead, Middlesex WATKINS Leonard b. c1860  They married 1885 at Hampstead Emily (nee TULLOCH) is with her family 1861 at Islington & 1871 at Hampstead and a visitor 1881 at Brighton. she died 1931. I've tried all sorts of searches with no luck, hoping someone can find them Helen

I did a google search on emily seringa tullock and the first two entries are for baptisms registered at Provincia de Buenos Aires...., #865 Gerald Murray Watkins Father Conrad Mother Emily Seringa Tulloch born 11/5/1894 Baptised 26/1/1895, godfathers: James A Tulloch H Murray Tulloch, godmother Esther H Tulloch, #880, Dorothy Watkins, father Conrad mother Emily Seringa Tulloch born 21/8/1895 Baptised 20/1/1896, #881 Marjorie Father Conrad Mother Emily Seringa Tulloch born 21/8/1895 Baptised 20/1/1896. Provincia de Entre Rios Celebrated and registered at Concordia #76 born 7/10/1886 baptised 6/1/1889 Cyril Leonard Father Leonard mother Emily Seringa Domicile Concordia Occupation Estanciero I'm not a typist so hope I have copied it correctly, please check the google finds, Lynne. > From: Helen Carter <helen.carter28@yahoo.com>> Can someone please do a lookup of the > census 1891 or 1901 for me > > WATKINS Emily Seringa b.1859 Hampstead, Middlesex > WATKINS Leonard b. c1860 > > They married 1885 at Hampstead > > Emily (nee TULLOCH) is with her family 1861 at > Islington & 1871 at Hampstead and a visitor 1881 at > Brighton. she died 1931, Helen >

Seeking help again Frank H Pendock occupation ? RG13/2348, page 5 Many thanks Richie in a cool & brisk bowen

The data I have came from the Met Collection, and it was they who suggested the refs at Kew. Unfortunately Kew's reply was more general than specific, despite my asking specific questions. I'll obviously have to go there once I've digested the downloaded info leaflet. I was trying to save myself some time whilst there with some direction from Kew in hand. Not possible apparently. Despite my quoting my reader's ticket number they almost gave me travel directions! Thanks anyway. I'll be looking at the MEPO 2/25 you quoted. Might get lucky! Emscote On 30 April 2011 19:46, Judy Lester <jlester@btinternet.com> wrote: > JK, > > General correspondence and administrative papers for the Bow Street > patrols are in MEPO 2/25. I don't know if there will be any information > on individuals, other than in passing. > http://tinyurl.com/6zngenm > > If he transferred to the Met in 1839, I think his warrant number should > be in the range 14551-15805. This range is covered by the Alphabetical > Register of Joiners in MEPO 4/333, which should give name, rank, warrant > number, division, dates of appointment and removal, and names and > addresses of referees. But maybe you already have all that information? > > Probably Kew suggested MEPO 5/9 since that series of correspondence > includes details of some early pension payments. I haven't looked at > MEPO 5 myself, so I'm afraid I can't advise further, sorry! > > HTH > > Judy > London, UK > > -----Original Message----- > From: london-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:london-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Emscote FH > > Has anyone any knowledge of specific MEPO? numbers for the Bow Street > Horse Patrol? > > I have background on them, also have the man's details from Historial > collection at The Met collection: joined 1823, transferred 1839, left > Met 1847 R div SE London with ill pension. > > They suggested I look at MEPO5/9 - I've contacted Kew and has a rather > general reply, so know I'll need to go there. I've also downloaded the > leaflet. > > Any other suggestions would be very welcome. > JK > > >

Can someone please do a lookup of the census 1891 or 1901 for me   WATKINS Emily Seringa b.1859 Hampstead, Middlesex WATKINS Leonard b. c1860   They married 1885 at Hampstead   Emily (nee TULLOCH) is with her family 1861 at Islington & 1871 at Hampstead and a visitor 1881 at Brighton. she died 1931   I've tried all sorts of searches with no luck, hoping someone can find them    Helen  

Farmer Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Seeking help again > Frank H Pendock occupation ? > RG13/2348, page 5 > > Many thanks > Richie in a cool & brisk bowen

JK, General correspondence and administrative papers for the Bow Street patrols are in MEPO 2/25. I don't know if there will be any information on individuals, other than in passing. http://tinyurl.com/6zngenm If he transferred to the Met in 1839, I think his warrant number should be in the range 14551-15805. This range is covered by the Alphabetical Register of Joiners in MEPO 4/333, which should give name, rank, warrant number, division, dates of appointment and removal, and names and addresses of referees. But maybe you already have all that information? Probably Kew suggested MEPO 5/9 since that series of correspondence includes details of some early pension payments. I haven't looked at MEPO 5 myself, so I'm afraid I can't advise further, sorry! HTH Judy London, UK -----Original Message----- From: london-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:london-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Emscote FH Has anyone any knowledge of specific MEPO? numbers for the Bow Street Horse Patrol? I have background on them, also have the man's details from Historial collection at The Met collection: joined 1823, transferred 1839, left Met 1847 R div SE London with ill pension. They suggested I look at MEPO5/9 - I've contacted Kew and has a rather general reply, so know I'll need to go there. I've also downloaded the leaflet. Any other suggestions would be very welcome. JK

I have a problem, which I am hoping someone may be able to shed some light on, or at least, offer an alternative interpretation on the following circumstances: I have a ROBERT COULDERY who marries CHARLOTTE HALL on 2 Jul 1811 in St. George's, Bloomsbury (Ancestry copy of record of marriage) and the witnesses are Anna Marie Knox??? and Thomas Martin? I have records from the IGI showing the following children born: Mary born 1806 in Kent Robert Hall Couldery born 28 Jul 1806 in Lewisham Charlotte baptized 8 Oct 1807 in Greenwich Henry born 11 Aug 1811 in Greenwich Caroline baptized 13 Jan 1814 in Greenwich Eliza born 9 Jan 1818 in Greenwich Alfred born 23 Jun 1819 in Greenwich William Lovelace Couldery born 30 Nov 1822 in Greenwich On this basis, it seems that the first 3 children were born before they married. Fair enough. So far so good, but there is also ANOTHER marriage record on Ancestry showing ROBERT COULDERY marriage to CHARLOTTE HALL on 16 Apr 1822 in Whitechapel. This time the witnesses are Isaac Cooke? and Sarah Binfield. Also, he now states that he is a widower!!! Since Ancestry is showing images of the original documents I cannot conclude that there is a mistranscription on the first marriage registration. But this means that I cannot make sense of these documents unless they married for a second time for some obscure reason which I cannot think of. Can anybody please suggest how I interpret this information? With kind regards and best wishes to all Helen

Frank H. Pendock was a Farmer in 1901. In 1911 he lists and signs his full name of Frank Hember Pendock of Hoopers Farm, Mangotsfield. His eldest son is an engineer whilst the next three sons all work on the farm with their father.. Ruth

Has anyone any knowledge of specific MEPO? numbers for the Bow Street Horse Patrol? I have background on them, also have the man's details from Historial collection at The Met collection: joined 1823, transferred 1839, left Met 1847 R div SE London with ill pension. They suggested I look at MEPO5/9 - I've contacted Kew and has a rather general reply, so know I'll need to go there. I've also downloaded the leaflet. Any other suggestions would be very welcome. JK On 30 April 2011 15:15, Judy Lester <jlester@btinternet.com> wrote: > Ruth, > > Service records for the Met are held at the National Archives, in the > series MEPO. Try this research guide. > http://tinyurl.com/6982qz5 > > If your man retired from the Met after 1852 with a police pension, he > may be name-indexed in TNA's online catalogue in the series MEPO 21. > > Some indexing and imaging of the Numerical and Alphabetical Registers in > MEPO 4 is available at TNA Your Archives. This may help with finding a > warrant number, which is a first step to further research > http://tinyurl.com/6gvughm > > Finally for the Met, you might find this page useful > http://www.historybytheyard.co.uk/family_history.htm > > For the City of London Police, the service records are at LMA. Try this > research guide. > http://tinyurl.com/y5j9xjq (.pdf) > > HTH > > Judy > London, UK > > -----Original Message----- > From: london-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:london-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Acorn Cottage > > Can SKS advise where to search for records of police officers in the > Camberwell area?  Will they be at GLRO? > > Thanks > Ruth >

Thanks very much Nivard! You always come up with the goods! Ruth > -----Original Message----- > From: Nivard Ovington [mailto:ovington1@sky.com] > Sent: 30 April 2011 15:07 > To: Acorn Cottage; LONDON@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [LON] Police Records > > > > For plenty on the Met Police see :- > http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/research-guides/met > ropolitan-police.htm > > There is also a list for the Police > > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Occupations/POL > ICE-UK.html > > You may also find mention on the Old Bailey site > http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/ > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > > Can SKS advise where to search for records of police > officers in the > > Camberwell area? Will they be at GLRO? > > > > Thanks > > Ruth > >