Have you checked the 1911 census to see a) if father is still alive and b) who is living with him. Also the 1901 census. Women were treated as the man's property - I have a document that required the husband signiture if the wife wanted to cash in HER assurance bond. I wouldn't be surprised if she is alive and the bride's mother was only mentioned because her husband was dead. Dorri > From: ovington1@sky.com > To: wilsonnicholas90@gmail.com; LONDON@rootsweb.com > Date: Sun, 22 May 2011 12:34:47 +0100 > Subject: Re: [LON] A Matter of Wedding Etiquette 1908 > > > Were they a well to do family ? > > Divorce was still largely a thing for the rich as it was very expensive > > Have you checked the Catalogue on the National Archives to see if there is a divorce mentioned > (under J77) > > They may have been separated rather than divorced so there may be no record > > Without seeing the detail and context of the entries its hard to say but suggests the mother had > passed away > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > > > Hello, > > > > The wedding took place in London in 1908, but that is the only connection > > my question has with. the area. The printed announcements show the name > > of the groom`s father but not his mother`s, and the bride`s late father`s > > and her still living mother`s. > > > > Does the absence of the groom`s mother``s name indicate something. If she > > was divorced from the father, would this be a reason for excuding her name, > > or could her name have been excuded because she was already dead. I have > > three separate announcements from three different sources and the groom`s > > mother is excluded in each case so it obviously was not a typo error... > > > > Thanks, > > > > Nick > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > This mailing list works in parallel with the London surname interest list on the web at http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/london.html . Check for matching interests and add your own ! > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: LONDON-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LONDON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Were they a well to do family ? Divorce was still largely a thing for the rich as it was very expensive Have you checked the Catalogue on the National Archives to see if there is a divorce mentioned (under J77) They may have been separated rather than divorced so there may be no record Without seeing the detail and context of the entries its hard to say but suggests the mother had passed away Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Hello, > > The wedding took place in London in 1908, but that is the only connection > my question has with. the area. The printed announcements show the name > of the groom`s father but not his mother`s, and the bride`s late father`s > and her still living mother`s. > > Does the absence of the groom`s mother``s name indicate something. If she > was divorced from the father, would this be a reason for excuding her name, > or could her name have been excuded because she was already dead. I have > three separate announcements from three different sources and the groom`s > mother is excluded in each case so it obviously was not a typo error... > > Thanks, > > Nick

On 2011/05/22 10:05, nicholas wilson wrote: > The wedding took place in London in 1908, but that is the only connection > my question has with. the area. The printed announcements show the name > of the groom`s father but not his mother`s, and the bride`s late father`s > and her still living mother`s. > > Does the absence of the groom`s mother``s name indicate something. If she > was divorced from the father, would this be a reason for excluding her name, > or could her name have been excluded because she was already dead. I have > three separate announcements from three different sources and the groom`s > mother is excluded in each case so it obviously was not a typo error... I would have thought the mother had died. But, divorce is a possibility. The 1857 Matrimonial Causes Act allowed ordinary people to divorce. Before then, divorce was largely open only to men, and had to be granted by an Act of Parliament, which was hugely expensive, and therefore was also open only to the rich. (Long before then, of course, Henry VIII was granted a divorce by the Archbishop of Canterbury, and church courts retained the power to dissolve marriages.) Under the new law, women divorcing on the grounds of adultery not only had to prove their husbands had been unfaithful but also had to prove additional faults, which included cruelty, rape and incest. A private members' bill in 1923 made it easier for women to petition for divorce for adultery, but it still had to be proved. In 1937, the law was changed and divorce was allowed on other grounds including drunkenness, insanity and desertion. PS. The apostrophe character is not the one above the Tab key. It's next to the Enter key :-) -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg

My g-grandfather William Bond was with the Royal Artillery until his discharge in January 1890 at the age of 46. Upon his discharge, he moved his family to the St. George of the East area of London. Civilian life obviously did not agree with my great grandfather. I've found both him and the children in the Raine Street workhouse and infirmary in 1890 and 1891 and the children attended the Plashet school throughout 1891 (St George of the East). William appears to have finally discharged himself from the workhouse and gotten a job as a night watchman by 1892 but in August 1893, towards the end of a weeklong drunk, he swallowed some smelling salts and died of corrosive poisoning, leaving my great grandmother Jessie Bond with four young children, Laura aged 11, Thomas age 9, Frances age 6 and John age 3. By October of 1894, the Bond family was living in Montreal, Quebec, Canada. So far, I've been unable to locate the family in either the outbound passenger records from the UK or in the inbound passenger records in Canada between August 1893 and October 1894. I'm assuming that as a young widow with four young children and no money, my great grandmother must have been assisted with her emigration to Canada and am hoping that someone may have knowledge of what agency or group might have sponsored such an emigration from London to Canada at that time. Barbara J Starmans Richmond Hill, ON, Canada website: http://www.bjstarmans.com blog: http://outofmytree.wordpress.com/

I would have thought if the mother was dead, the announcement would have said "and the late Mrs XX". So I would guess that indicates that there was some secret about the mother - perhaps she was in an institution, or had run away from the family, or there was a divorce. Anne On 22 May 2011, at 09:05, nicholas wilson wrote: > Hello, > > The wedding took place in London in 1908, but that is the only connection > my question has with. the area. The printed announcements show the name > of the groom`s father but not his mother`s, and the bride`s late father`s > and her still living mother`s. > > Does the absence of the groom`s mother``s name indicate something. If she > was divorced from the father, would this be a reason for excuding her name, > or could her name have been excuded because she was already dead. I have > three separate announcements from three different sources and the groom`s > mother is excluded in each case so it obviously was not a typo error... > > Thanks, > > Nick

Hello, The wedding took place in London in 1908, but that is the only connection my question has with. the area. The printed announcements show the name of the groom`s father but not his mother`s, and the bride`s late father`s and her still living mother`s. Does the absence of the groom`s mother``s name indicate something. If she was divorced from the father, would this be a reason for excuding her name, or could her name have been excuded because she was already dead. I have three separate announcements from three different sources and the groom`s mother is excluded in each case so it obviously was not a typo error... Thanks, Nick

Alas neither my 1917 atlas or 1901 Kellys Northern suburbs stretch that far I note that Royston Park Rd is still there. There is a Royston Grove off it and maybe Avenue became Grove and some 3 miles south west there is a Highfield Avenue perhaps a re-name Maybe ask the local council Ron Lankshear -Sydney NSW (from London-Shepherds Bush/Chiswick) try my links http://freepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lankshear/ On 2011-05-21 1:04 PM, nicholas wilson wrote: > I have just received a copy of my uncle's birth certificate, which shows he > was born at Highfield House on Royston Avenue in June 1911. A few years > earlier the family had been living on Royston Park Road, Hatch End. > > I cannot trace a Royston Avenue on Google. Does anyone know if there was a > nursing home named Highfield House in Pinner in 1911, and also what happened > to Royston Avenue? > > Thanks, > > Nick

Nick, Kelly's 1914 directory for Middlesex at www.historicaldirectories.org has an entry for Percy SAMUELSON at Highfield House, *Royston Park Avenue*, Pinner. A search of the 1911 census for this man will take you to this address ... "Highfield House the Avenue Royston Park Hatch End" RG14/7081 SN250 I think this street is now called simply The Avenue (see Google maps). HTH Judy London, UK On 2011-05-21 1:04 PM, nicholas wilson wrote: > I have just received a copy of my uncle's birth certificate, which shows he > was born at Highfield House on Royston Avenue in June 1911. A few years > earlier the family had been living on Royston Park Road, Hatch End. > > I cannot trace a Royston Avenue on Google. Does anyone know if there was a > nursing home named Highfield House in Pinner in 1911, and also what happened > to Royston Avenue? > > Thanks, > > Nick

I know Nivard - that's the problem. I don't know where he was born - possibly Ireland, and between 1810-1820.(at the time police recruits had to be 20-30 years of age).  If I could find him on the 1841 census I'd have a modicum of further information. All I have is his name on the baptism record of his son Thomas William Portland Smith, in October 1841, and the 1841 census entry for his wife Barbara and child Thomas William at Arbour Square.  Regards, Jeanette ________________________________ From: Nivard Ovington <ovington1@sky.com> To: J.M.de Montalk <jmdemontalk@xtra.co.nz>; LONDON@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, 21 May 2011 12:58 AM Subject: Re: [LON] Stepney police stations Hi Jeanette When and where was your man born ? There are around 3,000 Robert SMITHs in the 1841 census :-( Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Does anyone know of names of police stations situated in Stepney in 1841? > > My man Robert Smith (policeman) is missing from the 1841 census, but I've found his wife and child living in Arbour Square. I've always assumed that the would have been based at the Arbour Square station, but I've just found out that construction only commenced on it July 1841 so he must have been based somewhere else - presumably close by? Arbour Square is in the Commercial Rd area. > > Jeanette

Hello, I have just received a copy of my uncle's birth certificate, which shows he was born at Highfield House on Royston Avenue in June 1911. A few years earlier the family had been living on Royston Park Road, Hatch End. I cannot trace a Royston Avenue on Google. Does anyone know if there was a nursing home named Highfield House in Pinner in 1911, and also what happened to Royston Avenue? Thanks, Nick

Hi Jeanette When and where was your man born ? There are around 3,000 Robert SMITHs in the 1841 census :-( Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Does anyone know of names of police stations situated in Stepney in 1841? > > My man Robert Smith (policeman) is missing from the 1841 census, but I've > found his wife and child living in Arbour Square. I've always assumed that > the would have been based at the Arbour Square station, but I've just found > out that construction only commenced on it July 1841 so he must have been > based somewhere else - presumably close by? Arbour Square is in the > Commercial Rd area. > > Jeanette

Police offices circa 1839 included: High St., Shadwell, Worship St., Shoreditch, Lambeth St., Little Alie St., Goodman's Fields. With best wishes, John Townsend Antiquarian Bookseller/Genealogist http://www.johntownsend.demon.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "J.M.de Montalk" <jmdemontalk@xtra.co.nz> To: <LONDON@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2011 12:20 AM Subject: [LON] Stepney police stations > Does anyone know of names of police stations situated in Stepney in 1841? > > My man Robert Smith (policeman) is missing from the 1841 census, but I've > found his wife and child living in Arbour Square. I've always assumed that > the would have been based at the Arbour Square station, but I've just > found > out that construction only commenced on it July 1841 so he must have been > based somewhere else - presumably close by? Arbour Square is in the > Commercial Rd area. > > Jeanette

Does anyone know of names of police stations situated in Stepney in 1841? My man Robert Smith (policeman) is missing from the 1841 census, but I've found his wife and child living in Arbour Square. I've always assumed that the would have been based at the Arbour Square station, but I've just found out that construction only commenced on it July 1841 so he must have been based somewhere else - presumably close by? Arbour Square is in the Commercial Rd area. Jeanette

Hello, My thanks to Anne, Judy and J.K., I will follow up on some of their suggestions. regards, Alison ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alison Wild" <alison.wild@tesco.net> To: <LONDON@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 7:09 PM Subject: [LON] St Giles in the Fields > Hello, > > I am still searching for the baptism of my 3x great grandfather Joseph > BREWER who I think was baptised at St Giles in the Fields c1798. > > I have contacted the church on several occasions but I have never got a > reply. > > Are the records available yet anywhere on microfilm? > > Any help appreciated. > > Regards, > Alison > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > This mailing list works in parallel with the London surname interest list > on the web at http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/london.html . Check for > matching interests and add your own ! > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: LONDON-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LONDON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Alison, The parish registers have been retained by the church. The only films of them are at London Metropolitan Archives (LMA). There are no LDS films. The bishop's transcripts from 1800 are at LMA; those for 1800-1822 are available on Ancestry. I believe the church is unlikely to reply unless you send the required fee with your search request. That would be cheaper than getting the LMA to search their film. HTH Judy London, UK -----Original Message----- From: london-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:london-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Alison Wild I am still searching for the baptism of my 3x great grandfather Joseph BREWER who I think was baptised at St Giles in the Fields c1798. I have contacted the church on several occasions but I have never got a reply. Are the records available yet anywhere on microfilm? Any help appreciated. Regards, Alison

You could try contacting the London Metropolitan Archives. Although the original registers from St Giles in the Fields have not been deposited, I understand the LMA do have bishop's Transcripts which might provide the answers you need. Unfortunately, many parish churches do not have the staff needed to cope with family history requests. HTH Anne On 18 May 2011, at 19:09, Alison Wild wrote: > Hello, > > I am still searching for the baptism of my 3x great grandfather Joseph BREWER who I think was baptised at St Giles in the Fields c1798. > > I have contacted the church on several occasions but I have never got a reply. > > Are the records available yet anywhere on microfilm? > > Any help appreciated. > > Regards, > Alison

Hello, I am still searching for the baptism of my 3x great grandfather Joseph BREWER who I think was baptised at St Giles in the Fields c1798. I have contacted the church on several occasions but I have never got a reply. Are the records available yet anywhere on microfilm? Any help appreciated. Regards, Alison

Ritchie, Have you checked for any details on the WAGS Arrivals CD for that timeframe (1896-1926 from memory)? In most cases the details on the CD for arrivals into Aus (Freemantle) are very sparse and sometimes only Mr or Mrs ******* , age, name of ship, whether British or Foreign. Regards Jenny on beautiful Lake Macquarie NSW

Many thanks to all Great result whilst I sense this is the right bloke I wonder as to why he was attracted to the west for the mining When their would have been similar on the east coast of Australia In 12 months he moved across the country ? One would have assumed that was a bold move in those days Richie in a very gusty bowen

Seeking help in finding immigration details for Lewis hambly abt1882 Pelynt,(near Plymouth)Cornwall Lewis last appears on the 1891 uk census as a 19 year old Then appears on the 1903 electoral roll in Western Australia Lewis hambly m Eleanor Barker 1909 Ravensthorpe - Western Australia Having no luck in finding his arrival details in western Australia Possible arrivals in nsw Australia Any advice would be appreciated Richie in a cold & blustery bowen (would blow the spots off a dog)