-----Original Message----- From: hutch.c@talktalk.net To: LONDON@rootsweb.com Sent: Fri, 2 Sep 2011 22:00 Subject: WALTON help needed Arthur Walton born 1890 Newark, Notts Albert  Walton   ''     1892    ''         '' Emily   Walton        1893  Newark Notts   After their parents died these siblings moved to London .In the 1911 Census Arthur & Albert lived with their brother Robert william @ 41, Maitland Park Rd NW. St Pancras   Emily was a domestic servant living at 95, Fortess Rd St Pancras.     Another brother Charles Thomas b 1880 was lodging at 12, Chalcot Crescent St Pancras  and I have traced him ok,   There appears to be no trace of the other 3, I have looked for marriages, deaths, millitary, passenger lists but have come to a brick wall .   When they moved to London they left behind a sister living in Mansfield and a brother ( my grandfather)  in Newark   Another brother Herbert was working as an engineer in India at the time of the 1911 Census .       Can SKS point me in another direction as i am at a loss to know where to go next.   Hoping to break this brickwall Chris Hutchinson     

You could give this site a go - http://www.fashion-era.com/index.htm Cheers, Lynda On 3 September 2011 08:51, nicholas wilson <wilsonnicholas90@gmail.com> wrote: > Hello, > > Hello, > > I am hoping someone familiar with men's style of dressing in the 19th > century can help me. Our family has a portrait in which the subject is > wearing a white shirt with a frilly front and a soft  winged type collar , a > wide  black cravat tied in a loose bow, a pale mustard waistcoat and a black > cut away jacket. His hair is cut quite short with a 'kiss curl'. My own > guess is c.1830 > > If I knew the approximate date when men were dressed in this manner in it > she mentions variously portraits ( paintings) by the subject's name. > > I can send a likeness off list if required. > > Thanks, > > Nick > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > This mailing list works in parallel with the London surname interest list on the web at http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/london.html .  Check for matching interests and add your own ! > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: LONDON-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LONDON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Nick, Googling 'Regency + Men's + fashion brings up this site among others which indicates that perhaps it might be a little earlier than Victorian http://tinyurl.com/gms23 HTH Anne On 2 Sep 2011, at 21:51, nicholas wilson wrote: > Hello, > > Hello, > > I am hoping someone familiar with men's style of dressing in the 19th > century can help me. Our family has a portrait in which the subject is > wearing a white shirt with a frilly front and a soft winged type collar , a > wide black cravat tied in a loose bow, a pale mustard waistcoat and a black > cut away jacket. His hair is cut quite short with a 'kiss curl'. My own > guess is c.1830 > > If I knew the approximate date when men were dressed in this manner in it > she mentions variously portraits ( paintings) by the subject's name. > > I can send a likeness off list if required. > > Thanks, > > Nick > please send an email to LONDON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Nick The best thing would be to put the picture up on a free site such as Flickr or as an attachment on a board Then send a link to it Is the portrait signed? Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Hello, > > Hello, > > I am hoping someone familiar with men's style of dressing in the 19th > century can help me. Our family has a portrait in which the subject is > wearing a white shirt with a frilly front and a soft winged type collar , a > wide black cravat tied in a loose bow, a pale mustard waistcoat and a black > cut away jacket. His hair is cut quite short with a 'kiss curl'. My own > guess is c.1830 > > If I knew the approximate date when men were dressed in this manner in it > she mentions variously portraits ( paintings) by the subject's name. > > I can send a likeness off list if required. > > Thanks, > > Nick

Hello, Hello, I am hoping someone familiar with men's style of dressing in the 19th century can help me. Our family has a portrait in which the subject is wearing a white shirt with a frilly front and a soft winged type collar , a wide black cravat tied in a loose bow, a pale mustard waistcoat and a black cut away jacket. His hair is cut quite short with a 'kiss curl'. My own guess is c.1830 If I knew the approximate date when men were dressed in this manner in it she mentions variously portraits ( paintings) by the subject's name. I can send a likeness off list if required. Thanks, Nick

Hi Paul I haven't got all that far with your puzzle since my last post (sent yesterday afternoon but only made it to the list today), but I have a few bits to add. Given the coincidence of name and occupation, I would be reasonably comfortable that the three Roberts you found in the census are one and the same. And I think I can add 1841 to the list. He is with John and Margaret DALRYMPLE (both aged c45, both born Scotland) in Porter Street, St Anne Soho HO107 Piece 730, Book 6, Folio 54, Page 22). John is a carver. Of course there is no way of knowing whether Robert is this couple's son, but the other child in the household - Jane aged 4 - is their daughter, baptised as Jane Abraham DALRYMPLE at St Martin in the Fields on 30 June 1837 (courtesy of familysearch). The Jane BORN with whom Robert is lodging in 1871 is this same Jane, who married Richard BORN (FreeBMD has it as "Bour") on 25 December 1854 at St Anne Soho (courtesy of familysearch again). I also wonder whether you have considered that Robert is the Robert DALRYMPLE in the Central London Sick Asylum in Colindale in 1901 (RG13 Piece 5336, Folio 122, Page 12)? Although this chap was apparently born in Scotland, the occupation (Woodchopper) is close. Whoever he is, he is probably the one whose death is recorded by the Westminster Union on 4 September 1901, aged 73. It looks very much as if you are dealing with a Westminster family here, which limits one somewhat with PRs, as the LMA (and therefore Ancestry) only has bits and pieces. Will keep looking... Best wishes Caroline

I am hoping that some one can shed light on this family mystery please? William Edward son of Patrick Henry & Louisa Leonard born St. Paul, Hammersmith 22 04 1876 Married Clara Louisa Munt They had 3 children of which I have got all details in the 1901 census. In the 1911 census, Rose Mary & William Stanley were located in Bristol BUT I am unable to trace Mary Elizabeth Leonard born 04 10 1904 in Fulham. (I am told that she was in a Catholic run place) This is because the parents had split up and I have located Clara Louisa who died in 1916 Unable to trace William Edward Leonard in the 1911 census either. Any help on these matter would be greatly appreciated Regards, Steve

I would appreciate very much if someone could look up the London Post Office Directory 1805 - 1828 For my ancestor William STAFFORD ,tailor. Thank you very much. Alaine Reidpath Bastow Canada

Hi Paul I will have a proper look at this puzzle later on (unless anyone solves it first!), but I wanted to dash off a quick response to say: 1. Congratulations on a model mailing list post. If only more people would set out their queries in such a full and organised way, with census references, notes on where you have looked so far etc etc. 2. Given the name DALRYMPLE, have you looked for a marriage in Scotland? 3. It might be worth getting poor little Elizabeth's birth certificate. Best wishes Caroline > > I am struggling to locate Charlotte Jane DALRYMPLE in the 1861 and 1871 > censuses, and her parents' marriage, about 1850. > > What I know: > > My great grandmother Emily Charlotte WILSON's birth certificate (1877) > gives her parents' names as William Henry Wiggins WILSON and Charlotte > Jane WILSON formerly DALRYMPLE. > > For 1881, see RG11/319 folio 37 page 67 > For 1891, see RG12/123 folio 18 page 26 > For 1901, see RG13/140 folio 45 page 81 > > The parents' marriage took place earlier in 1877 at Pancras register > office. Charlotte's surname was given as DALRAMPLE on that occasion, > age > 24, spinster, daughter of Robert DALRAMPLE, cabinet maker. > > Charlotte's birth certificate shows her birth 6 July 1853, at 9 New > Union Street, Cripplegate, daughter of Robert DALRYMPLE (wood carver) > and Elizabeth, formerly BLACKMAN. There is a matching baptism, found > through ancestry.co.uk, at St Bartholomew, Moor Lane. The details are > identical. > > Other scraps: an undertaker's bill dated 1855 for Miss Elizabeth > Dalrymple, aged 8 weeks, addressed to Mr Dalrymple (undertaker's > address > Wardour Street, Soho). I imagine another child of the same parents. > > What I'd like to know: > > I've tried various searches on both Ancestry and FindMyPast, and cannot > find Charlotte Jane DALRYMPLE in either the 1861 or 1871 censuses. > > Nor can I positively identify her parents in the censuses from 1851 to > 1871 (but see some possibilities below). > > Nor can I find her parents' marriage (Robert DALRYMPLE and Elizabeth > BLACKMAN), about 1850. (I've tried FreeBMD, and searched the GRO index > books myself in the past.) > > Possible anwers: > > There are some possible census matches for Robert DALRYMPLE: > 1871: RG10/353 fol 35 pg 16: lodger, unmarried, age 40, wood carver, > born St Pancras > 1861: RG9/60 fol 80 pg 13: married, age 33, wood carver, born London, > wife Charlotte, no children > 1851: HO107/1493 fol 714 pg 8: unmarried, age 25, ornamental carver, > born London > > I'm not sure these are (a) the same person (b) relevant, since none > match the details I have that well. (He is perhaps baptised All Souls, > Langham Place, July 19, 1829) > > I also haved wondered about Elizabeth WATERS (widow) and her daughter > Charlotte J WATERS - at (RG10/372 folio 96 page 13 in 1871) because: > (a) > matching mother/daughter names; (b) the existence of various > letters/documents relating to them dated about the time of Elizabeth's > death in 1875 in the same accumulation as the undertaker's bill > mentioned above. There is an envelope addressed to "Miss Waters", so > that certainly appears to be Charlotte's common surname in 1875. Also, > no marriage between Elizabeth DALRYMPLE or BLACKMAN and WATERS in > FreeBMD. So perhaps a red herring. > > Paul > > -- > Paul Betteridge, Leafield, Oxfordshire

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I am struggling to locate Charlotte Jane DALRYMPLE in the 1861 and 1871 censuses, and her parents' marriage, about 1850. What I know: My great grandmother Emily Charlotte WILSON's birth certificate (1877) gives her parents' names as William Henry Wiggins WILSON and Charlotte Jane WILSON formerly DALRYMPLE. For 1881, see RG11/319 folio 37 page 67 For 1891, see RG12/123 folio 18 page 26 For 1901, see RG13/140 folio 45 page 81 The parents' marriage took place earlier in 1877 at Pancras register office. Charlotte's surname was given as DALRAMPLE on that occasion, age 24, spinster, daughter of Robert DALRAMPLE, cabinet maker. Charlotte's birth certificate shows her birth 6 July 1853, at 9 New Union Street, Cripplegate, daughter of Robert DALRYMPLE (wood carver) and Elizabeth, formerly BLACKMAN. There is a matching baptism, found through ancestry.co.uk, at St Bartholomew, Moor Lane. The details are identical. Other scraps: an undertaker's bill dated 1855 for Miss Elizabeth Dalrymple, aged 8 weeks, addressed to Mr Dalrymple (undertaker's address Wardour Street, Soho). I imagine another child of the same parents. What I'd like to know: I've tried various searches on both Ancestry and FindMyPast, and cannot find Charlotte Jane DALRYMPLE in either the 1861 or 1871 censuses. Nor can I positively identify her parents in the censuses from 1851 to 1871 (but see some possibilities below). Nor can I find her parents' marriage (Robert DALRYMPLE and Elizabeth BLACKMAN), about 1850. (I've tried FreeBMD, and searched the GRO index books myself in the past.) Possible anwers: There are some possible census matches for Robert DALRYMPLE: 1871: RG10/353 fol 35 pg 16: lodger, unmarried, age 40, wood carver, born St Pancras 1861: RG9/60 fol 80 pg 13: married, age 33, wood carver, born London, wife Charlotte, no children 1851: HO107/1493 fol 714 pg 8: unmarried, age 25, ornamental carver, born London I'm not sure these are (a) the same person (b) relevant, since none match the details I have that well. (He is perhaps baptised All Souls, Langham Place, July 19, 1829) I also haved wondered about Elizabeth WATERS (widow) and her daughter Charlotte J WATERS - at (RG10/372 folio 96 page 13 in 1871) because: (a) matching mother/daughter names; (b) the existence of various letters/documents relating to them dated about the time of Elizabeth's death in 1875 in the same accumulation as the undertaker's bill mentioned above. There is an envelope addressed to "Miss Waters", so that certainly appears to be Charlotte's common surname in 1875. Also, no marriage between Elizabeth DALRYMPLE or BLACKMAN and WATERS in FreeBMD. So perhaps a red herring. Paul -- Paul Betteridge, Leafield, Oxfordshire

This came via another list - worth a look and signing if you are a UK citizen Jean http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/1792 Research Copies for Birth, Marriage & Death Certificates for Genealogical Research Purposes Responsible department: Home Office

Would just like to thank Ron, Judy and Jan for responding to my query - I am very grateful. Christine -----Original Message----- From: Ron Lankshear [mailto:ronlank@yahoo.com.au] Sent: Friday, 26 August 2011 6:25 PM To: Christine Ellis Cc: LONDON@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LON] 1819 London PO directory look up request please Alas those pages missing from CD also.. And it was this CD that Ancestry loaded when they acquired the company I'll send something from 1805 Ron Lankshear -Sydney NSW (from London-Shepherds Bush/Chiswick) try my links http://freepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lankshear/ On 2011-08-26 5:03 PM, Christine Ellis wrote: > I wonder if anyone has a copy or access to the 1819 London Post Office > Directory. I do have an Ancestry subscription but unfortunately the > image for the page I need is missing (they have Image 182 Pages > 356/357 and Image > 183 Pages 360/361 ) and despite several reports to them it has not > been added. > > The pages I am after are 358/359 for the entries under the surname Warne. > > If anyone is able to let me know what entries appear for the name > WARNE I would be really really grateful.

Hi Doug St Saviour's was at the junction of these two streets at the time in question. The church and surrounding area suffered damage during the war and the church was subsequently demolished. The whole area has since been "remodelled", with Penn Street and Hyde Road being effectively one thoroughfare. The name changes from one to the other at the junction with Northport St. Use Google maps to see the current layout. The original location of the church can be seen clearly on the 1908 Bartholomew map at http://mapco.net/london.htm. Hope this helps Caroline > Hello - > > I wonder if someone with local knowledge can assist me. I'm looking > into material relating to this church circa 1889. I've found that > Hoxton comes under Shoreditch, and that Shoreditch in turn is part of > Hackney. However, Googling the church gives two addresses: Penn > Street, and Hyde Road. There surely can't be two St. Saviour's, so > where was it, and why are two locations given? > > Thanks in anticipation, > > Doug in Lancashire.

According to Google maps Penn St is a continuation of Hyde Rd Jean On 30 August 2011 18:45, Doug Bray <bray419@btinternet.com> wrote: > Hello - > > I wonder if someone with local knowledge can assist me.  I'm looking into material relating to this church circa 1889.  I've found that Hoxton comes under Shoreditch, and that Shoreditch in turn is part of Hackney.  However, Googling the church gives two addresses: Penn Street, and Hyde Road.  There surely can't be two St. Saviour's, so where was it, and why are two locations given? > > Thanks in anticipation, > > Doug in Lancashire. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Hello - I wonder if someone with local knowledge can assist me. I'm looking into material relating to this church circa 1889. I've found that Hoxton comes under Shoreditch, and that Shoreditch in turn is part of Hackney. However, Googling the church gives two addresses: Penn Street, and Hyde Road. There surely can't be two St. Saviour's, so where was it, and why are two locations given? Thanks in anticipation, Doug in Lancashire.

Could anyone help me Where do I look for information for a Bootmaker (or Shoemaker) with his own shop My Joseph Vickery was a bootmaker (shoemaker) in London from 1820 or 1821 to 1833 The only information I have is that he was at Sims Lane & Edgeward Road London. He sailed with his family for Australia in 1833 Cabin Class. On his arrival here he started another business

Thank you for the several suggestions I have received re enquiries in Australia, I shall follow these through. Felicia Sent from my iPad

Felicia You could try Rootschat, they have a general Australian page and I find the folk there very helpful www.rootschat,com Kay ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 11:19:15 +0100 From: Felicia <felicia.r@talktalk.net> Subject: [LON] Banks family To: "London@rootsweb.com" <London@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <9359FEAD-1E1F-4EB5-AB3A-0BEC44542A44@talktalk.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I believe a descendant of Mary Banks, sister of my great great grandfather Benjamin Banks emigrated to Australia. Can anyone suggest a genealogy site in Australia on which I could pose a question. Felicia Riley Sent from my iPad

Hi Marjorie, Also no real success. I presume you have followed up the tree on Ancestry with the mother as Nellie WISE. It gives no info in the profile on that name so where did it come from? Does the tree owner hold more information? Rebecca ILES is also elusive. The 1901 census appears to say Durham with her mother indexed as Marya but I think it is Mary A. Mary A. claims to have been born in Monmouthshire, also her so, so it is odd Rebecca was born in Durham. There is a birth that could match. Was that just a fleeting visit or something longer? Have you tried following her up? I cannot find Rebecca in 1881 and in 1891 she may be the servant supposedly born in Worcester. Is it worth getting the birth certificate for the Rebecca from Durham? When I look up Mary A ILES on Ancestry there is also a possible tree there but it would presumably only be your Mary A. if she did not marry. I know you didn't ask about Rebecca, you might already know all about her, but I thought if you haven't something in her past might just shed some light on John. Just some thoughts; you've probably done all that but I'm hoping I might have thought of something new. Christine -----Original Message----- From: DMMaiden@aol.com Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 1:08 PM To: LONDON@rootsweb.com Subject: [LON] John James Waite Hello, I'm new to this list and would be glad of some advice please. I am looking for JOHN JAMES WAITE, probably born c.1871. My first sighting of him is on the 1901 census for Monmouthshire, his age then was 30 and his birthplace Lambeth. I know he remained in Monmouthshire for the rest of his life. In 1911 he was 40 and his birthplace was Paddington. John was married to Rebecca Iles in February 1899 at Mynddislwyn, Mon, age shown was 28. So it seems safe to assume he was born in or near 1871. The marriage certificate shows his father's name as John Waite, occupation Labourer. I've searched on Ancestry and on Find My Past but I haven't found this family on any pre 1901 census. I've tried Wait and Weight too. There's a John Waite with parents John and Matilda Zella, born July 1871 at Lambeth, they looked promising but I've followed it up and it's not the right family. Any suggestions or advice will be very welcome. Thanks, Marjorie