Is anyone researching this family, or has them in their line - any period..

Hello. I have a note of the 1865 Will of David HEARLEY, [death 09/12/1864] of 208 White-Cross St, Finsbury. It has no other info apart from being proved at the Principle Registry by the oath of Mary HEARLEY, widow, effects under £600.  Is it possible to get a copy of the will and/or is this all the info I would find anyway. Regards. Barbara. England.

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A mysterious small portrait (roughly 6 in. by 5) descended to us from my great-great grandfather, who emigrated to Victoria in 1858. It shows a military officer, the face finished but red coat and cloak rather sketchy. He could perhaps date from the Napoleonic Wars. As far as I know there were no soldiers in a largely legal family. My ancestor lived in Broad St for much of his life. He was a solicitor and had an office in Kings Arms Yard. I hope to at least find the picture's date. It is in its original frame with the framer's label on the back. It reads: W. GREENING Looking Glass Manufacturer Carver, Gilder and Picture Framer The next line giving the address was unfortunately printed in copperplate script and is now illegible. The label continues: Old Frames Re-gilt Old glasses polished and re-silvered Gilt Mouldings for rooms and cornices of all descriptions Paintings, Prints, Drawings, all kinds of Ladies' Needle Work framed and glazed in the neatest manner Funerals Furnished I should be very grateful if anyone can locate W.Greening in place and time. And while I do understand most of Greening's work, what would he furnish for funerals? Anthea Fleming Melbourne

Hi Brian As others have suggested he may have conducted funerals however my suggestion would be that he supplied (furnished) handles and accouterments for coffins etc That would be more in keeping with his occupation as a gilder 1825 Pigots Directory GREENING Wm. gilder 176, 427 1843 Post Office Directory GREENING Wm. carv. & gilder & looking glass ma. 79 Coleman st 1841 census St Stephen Coleman Street Middlesex Coleman Street // Wm GREENING 58 Looking Glass Manufacturer Y Ann GREENING 59 Y / Thos ROOK 75 Y Elizabeth CLAYTON FS Y // They are at 57 London Wall All Hallows in 1851 William is retired born Bishopgate Ann born Yarmouth? If you have a copy of the portrait I would be interested in seeing it Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) >A mysterious small portrait (roughly 6 in. by 5) descended to us from my > great-great grandfather, who emigrated to Victoria in 1858. It shows a > military officer, the face finished but red coat and cloak rather > sketchy. He could perhaps date from the Napoleonic Wars. As far as I > know there were no soldiers in a largely legal family. > > My ancestor lived in Broad St for much of his life. He was a solicitor > and had an office in Kings Arms Yard. > > I hope to at least find the picture's date. It is in its original frame > with the framer's label on the back. It reads: > W. GREENING > Looking Glass Manufacturer > Carver, Gilder and Picture Framer > > The next line giving the address was unfortunately printed in > copperplate script and is now illegible. > > The label continues: > Old Frames Re-gilt Old glasses polished and re-silvered > Gilt Mouldings for rooms and cornices of all descriptions > Paintings, Prints, Drawings, all kinds of Ladies' Needle Work > framed and glazed in the neatest manner > Funerals Furnished > > I should be very grateful if anyone can locate W.Greening in place and time. > And while I do understand most of Greening's work, what would he furnish > for funerals? > > Anthea Fleming > Melbourne

Well would you ever- Just in case you were in suspense LOL...we have solved the William Matthew Hale/Eliza puzzle. Discovered William, perfumer, on the 1851 as Hall and married to Isabella(Batten), St. Saviours 1840. They have all the family, Louisa 10, Sarah 7, Emily 6, William 5 and Ann 2 with them . Isabella Hale died in 1852 in Newington probably from exhaustion I would imagine if not from childbirth!! Then along comes Eliza Jones and a marriage banns is called in 1861 and they actually married in 1864 becasue by then they had 5 children. and by 1871 they had 8 still at home and Matthews previous 4 were married or elsewhere and by 1881 Eliza was a widow living with her daughter Alice and her husband, together with their baby Alice and Eliza's daughter Elizabeth aged 12. That doesnt explain the 1871 America bit or the age given for Eliza, but we think that William was so harrassed that he said the first thing which came into his head!. Perhaps even -she was the Eliza with a criminal record for Larceny and he was trying to protect her from the authorities. But there are thousands of Eliza Hales so could be any one of them. The End......Phew. Eileen. http://www.epfranchi.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/page1.htm

http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?id=t18470920-2043&div=t18470920-2043&terms=greening#highlight This gives GREENING's address. HTH Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: "brian fleming" <flambeau@labyrinth.net.au> To: <london@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 11:53 AM Subject: [LON] W.Greening - Carver and Gilder >A mysterious small portrait (roughly 6 in. by 5) descended to us from my > great-great grandfather, who emigrated to Victoria in 1858. It shows a > military officer, the face finished but red coat and cloak rather > sketchy. He could perhaps date from the Napoleonic Wars. As far as I > know there were no soldiers in a largely legal family. > > My ancestor lived in Broad St for much of his life. He was a solicitor > and had an office in Kings Arms Yard. > > I hope to at least find the picture's date. It is in its original frame > with the framer's label on the back. It reads: > W. GREENING > Looking Glass Manufacturer > Carver, Gilder and Picture Framer > > The next line giving the address was unfortunately printed in > copperplate script and is now illegible. > > The label continues: > Old Frames Re-gilt Old glasses polished and re-silvered > Gilt Mouldings for rooms and cornices of all descriptions > Paintings, Prints, Drawings, all kinds of Ladies' Needle Work > framed and glazed in the neatest manner > Funerals Furnished > > I should be very grateful if anyone can locate W.Greening in place and > time. > And while I do understand most of Greening's work, what would he furnish > for funerals? > > Anthea Fleming > Melbourne > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > This mailing list works in parallel with the London surname interest list > on the web at http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/london.html . Check for > matching interests and add your own ! > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: LONDON-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LONDON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Anthea, I think 'Funerals furnished' means that he had a side line as an undertaker. I believe this happened quite often in the past. Anne On 30 Sep 2011, at 11:53, brian fleming wrote: > > The label continues: > Old Frames Re-gilt Old glasses polished and re-silvered > Gilt Mouldings for rooms and cornices of all descriptions > Paintings, Prints, Drawings, all kinds of Ladies' Needle Work > framed and glazed in the neatest manner > Funerals Furnished > > I should be very grateful if anyone can locate W.Greening in place and time. > And while I do understand most of Greening's work, what would he furnish > for funerals? > > Anthea Fleming > Melbourne

Brian, it means he was in effect an undertaker. Such work was often done as a sideline by various tradesmen, notably carpenters [and - mostly on the country - by wheelwrights]. Greening worked in wood and coffins would therefore not be a technical problem for him. He probably hired in the providers of a vehicle and horse, or hired them himself. As the 19th century went on, organising funerals became rather more specialised [not lest because of the demands of heavy-duty Victorian funeral practice] and in London you start to see specialist firms like Dotteridge. Hope this helps Valerie in hot and sunny Sheffield UK ----- Original Message ----- From: "brian fleming" <flambeau@labyrinth.net.au> To: <london@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 11:53 AM Subject: [LON] W.Greening - Carver and Gilder >A mysterious small portrait (roughly 6 in. by 5) descended to us from my > great-great grandfather, who emigrated to Victoria in 1858. It shows a > military officer, the face finished but red coat and cloak rather > sketchy. He could perhaps date from the Napoleonic Wars. As far as I > know there were no soldiers in a largely legal family. > > My ancestor lived in Broad St for much of his life. He was a solicitor > and had an office in Kings Arms Yard. > > I hope to at least find the picture's date. It is in its original frame > with the framer's label on the back. It reads: > W. GREENING > Looking Glass Manufacturer > Carver, Gilder and Picture Framer > > The next line giving the address was unfortunately printed in > copperplate script and is now illegible. > > The label continues: > Old Frames Re-gilt Old glasses polished and re-silvered > Gilt Mouldings for rooms and cornices of all descriptions > Paintings, Prints, Drawings, all kinds of Ladies' Needle Work > framed and glazed in the neatest manner > Funerals Furnished > > I should be very grateful if anyone can locate W.Greening in place and > time. > And while I do understand most of Greening's work, what would he furnish > for funerals? > > Anthea Fleming > Melbourne > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > This mailing list works in parallel with the London surname interest list > on the web at http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/london.html . Check for > matching interests and add your own ! > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: LONDON-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LONDON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

>Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2011 05:13:01 +1000 > From: Ron Lankshear <ronlank@yahoo.com.au> > Subject: Re: [LON] Eliza HALE enigma > To: eileen/pat <epfranchi@blueyonder.co.uk> > The 1861 Eliza and the 1881 would appear to be the > same person... > HALE is of course a very USA name from very early > times a lot of HALE in USA.... > I tried to find the family in 1851 census but not > getting anywhere. > > Who are the extra young people in 1871 census - > Julia, Eliza and Robert. Should be in 1861 I'd > assume but are not... > So it is all one of those census messups that is > also being discussed today re ages etc... > Did enumerator mis understand. >Was there a visiting relative and the data got messed up on the transfer from return to report > BUT I'd say find the extra children in earlier times > > Ron Lankshear -Sydney NSW (from London-Shepherds > Bush/Chiswick) > try my links > http://freepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lankshear/ > Hi Ron, very many thanks. Its a bit of a puzzle and I am thinking that perhaps the original Elza died about 1861 becasue I found a marrage Banns in 1861 for William and Eliza and I think that I may have found the answer to the Eliza Enigma. The Banns for Eliza Jones to William were in July 1861 and the marraige in 1864 when he was a widower. So Eliza the 1st would have had to die after the census was taken in 1861 and before the banns in July 1861. So we have to find a death in that time frame for Eliza 1st. Her marriage to William Hale seems to be in 1841 Jan to March Quarter, in Shoreditch and she was either Eliza Mills or Eliza Chilman. There is a death for Eliza Hale in Pancras Jan-March Q. in 1861 which would fit if she died in the March after the census was taken but it would mean getting the certs to make sure. So we have William Matthew marrying Eliza M or C in Shoreditch in 1841. Eliza dies in Mrch 1861 William then has banns read in July 1861 and marries Eliza Jones in 1864 in Lambeth, both of Devonshire Street. They have Alfred in 1863 !! Then Susan in 1865 and Elizabeth in 1869 when she is apparently 58. Still not sure where the America comes in. or the info on the 1881. On the criminal list there is an Eliza Jones about the same age, repeatedly charged with larceny in and around the area!!. Cant find her on the incoming passenger lists as they are all too late. So perhaps she was trying to hide her identity and reverted to the details of the original Eliza. Perhaps William was so anxious to find a mother for his original children that he gathered Eliza Jones off the streets of London and she was so grateful to him that she pretended to be the original Eliza for his and the childrens sake. Lovely story for some writer to write about. Anyway I think I shall lay that one to rest as its off my Beadon tree now, I got side tracked with curiosity. Many thanks anyway. Eileen.

hello Anthea, The 1846 London Directory has: ........... William Greening (carver and gilder and looking glass maker) 79 Coleman Street =================== Cheers, John Drewell in Vancouver B.C. ============================ ----- Original Message ----- From: "brian fleming" <flambeau@labyrinth.net.au> To: <london@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 3:53 AM Subject: [LON] W.Greening - Carver and Gilder >A mysterious small portrait (roughly 6 in. by 5) descended to us from my > great-great grandfather, who emigrated to Victoria in 1858. It shows a > military officer, the face finished but red coat and cloak rather > sketchy. He could perhaps date from the Napoleonic Wars. As far as I > know there were no soldiers in a largely legal family. > > My ancestor lived in Broad St for much of his life. He was a solicitor > and had an office in Kings Arms Yard. > > I hope to at least find the picture's date. It is in its original frame > with the framer's label on the back. It reads: > W. GREENING > Looking Glass Manufacturer > Carver, Gilder and Picture Framer > > The next line giving the address was unfortunately printed in > copperplate script and is now illegible. > > The label continues: > Old Frames Re-gilt Old glasses polished and re-silvered > Gilt Mouldings for rooms and cornices of all descriptions > Paintings, Prints, Drawings, all kinds of Ladies' Needle Work > framed and glazed in the neatest manner > Funerals Furnished > > I should be very grateful if anyone can locate W.Greening in place and > time. > And while I do understand most of Greening's work, what would he furnish > for funerals? > > Anthea Fleming > Melbourne > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > This mailing list works in parallel with the London surname interest list > on the web at http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/london.html . Check for > matching interests and add your own ! > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: LONDON-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LONDON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

The 1861 Eliza and the 1881 would appear to be the same person... HALE is of course a very USA name from very early times a lot of HALE in USA.... I tried to find the family in 1851 census but not getting anywhere. Who are the extra young people in 1871 census - Julia, Eliza and Robert. Should be in 1861 I'd assume but are not... So it is all one of those census messups that is also being discussed today re ages etc... Did enumerator mis understand. Was there a visiting relative and the data got messed up on the transfer from return to report BUT I'd say find the extra children in earlier times Ron Lankshear -Sydney NSW (from London-Shepherds Bush/Chiswick) try my links http://freepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lankshear/ On 2011-09-30 12:55 AM, eileen/pat wrote: > So, after William died in 1879 did Eliza go to live with her daughter Alice > who had married James Gibson (20 years her senior!) The youngest daughter > went with her. So who's this Eliza born in America and aged 60 in 1871?

Andy has already made some very sound comments. It is also true that many people even nowadays find it difficult to determine ages of themselves or family members and also to remember names of grandkids etc..... Two war stories My soon to be m-i-l in 1966 told me she was 50 that year - she was born 1921. Frequently calls her two daughters by the other one's name - it depends on which she was with most at that time. And Joan was a shop keeper - would get the money right every time... Plenty of us are like Joan In Census my ggf aged 7 or 8 years very random whereas his wife aged exactly 10 ..... and I see plenty like that ... many folk just got it wrong or the return was filled in by some else who made guesses... And thats another problem the enumerator had to copy the return to the report and often they guessed at the writing. 1911 is first census for which household return were kept so we see what they said..... There is also the why "bother to fill in exactly its only the government" .... Amd also the Genealogists error - census were in March or April (except 1841) and most people deduct age from census year to get birth year. Even if age is correct that calculation will be wrong 75% of the time.... Ron Lankshear -Sydney NSW (from London-Shepherds Bush/Chiswick) try my links http://freepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lankshear/ On 2011-09-30 3:24 AM, Frank Green wrote: > While searching through sequential census I've noticed, among other things, some significant discrepancies in persons ages between the ten year census periods. I

Hi Marilyn As I posted earlier, in the UK the census was taken differently to the USA So it wasn't a matter of the enumerator taking the details from a neighbour as could happen in America Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Or ... who gave the information? Perhaps the family wasn't home at the time > and the neighbors "guessed" at the ages. Happened all the time, esp. in > rural America -- think spring, think mud, think trudging around on foot only > to find folks not there. You were just glad to have any information on the > household if you were the census-taker! >

Hi Frank The way the census was taken here was very different to the USA Here in the UK the enumerator left a form (a schedule) with the household a few days before the appointed census day The schedule was filled in by the head of household or whowever he got to do it for him/her The enumerator then collected after the census day and transcribed those household schedules onto the pages we see online today, the schedules were then destroyed So it was not a matter of telling the enumerator on the spur of the moment, it would have to be a premeditated decision, but frankly I very much doubt there were many cute enough to even think of manipulating ages The old age pension came in here in 1908 but there were many exclusions, as I very much doubt people would have been aware of its coming much in advance its unlikely they would have had the nowse to juggle ages in the previous census It is far more likely it was due to ignorance (they didn't know how old they were or could not be bothered to ask) or vanity (entering a younger or older age to suit circumstances) or a mistake in transcription by the enumerator Finding different ages in the various census is nothing unusual, most entered something fairly close but some were out by a fair margin Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Hello Listers, > While searching through sequential census I've noticed, among other things, some significant > discrepancies in persons ages between the ten year census periods. I suppose for some people > there was less importance attached to remembering precise dates in those earlier years, and may > they have only thought about it when the census man called. I understand it was once thought > that some family Heads intentionally advanced their age so as to qualify earlier for the newly > introduced pension. It sounds like a cute plan but I would doubt that the authorities , even in > the mid 19th century, would let that pass unquestioned. One of my families in fact showed that > either the census taker, or the family Heads , had added ten more years to their previously > established age. There are probably a good many theories (and stories) about census errors, > discrepancies, and I would be most interested to read comments from Listers on this subject. I > hope I’m not re-introducing an already much discussed subject. > Thank you. > Frank, MANITOBA

Hi Frank You're right. In the old days folk just didn't celebrate birthdays like we do today. There were no benefits, financial or otherwise of reaching 16, 18, 21 or retirement age like we do today so there was no real need to know your exact age. No one had to sign up for anything giving their age. Folk lied about their age when getting married either adding or taking away a few years - men and women - that is if they knew their real age to start with. I don't know how many folk would ever have actually held a baptism paper which they could refer to. Not many I wouldn't have thought. I did a one-name-study when I first started genealogy and a very, very small handful kept to a year or so out either way. I've got one couple where the wife aged less than 10 years every census year! I learnt very quickly not to judge on ages if everything else fitted. Cheers Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Green" <letellierfg@hotmail.com> To: "genealogy" <london-l@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 6:24 PM Subject: [LON] CENSUS > Hello Listers, > While searching through sequential census I've noticed, among other > things, some significant discrepancies in persons ages between the ten > year census periods. I suppose for some people there was less importance > attached to remembering precise dates in those earlier years, and may > they have only thought about it when the census man called. I understand > it was once thought that some family Heads intentionally advanced their > age so as to qualify earlier for the newly introduced pension. It sounds > like a cute plan but I would doubt that the authorities , even in the mid > 19th century, would let that pass unquestioned. One of my families in fact > showed that either the census taker, or the family Heads , had added ten > more years to their previously established age. There are probably a > good many theories (and stories) about census errors, discrepancies, and > I would be most interested to read comments from Listers on this subject. > I hope I’m not re-introducing an already much discussed subject. > Thank you. > Frank, MANITOBA > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > This mailing list works in parallel with the London surname interest list > on the web at http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/london.html . Check for > matching interests and add your own ! > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: LONDON-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LONDON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

I have a connection my Fathers side to the BEADON's through a Gt Grand Uncle Edmund Burningham born in Petworth who married Emily Beadon b in Walworth. Emily's father JOHN was a perfumer and fancy soap maker in Lorimer Street, Newington until 1881 Emily's brother George Beadon married Julia Emmerline Hale whose father William Matthew Hale was a perfumer and hairdresser. The Hale family was living in Devonshire Street Newington in 1871 and 1861 as per my other email. Now on my mothers side I have a connection through my Sutton/Becher line in London to the Beedon/Beeden family from Suffolk, Fanny Frances Beedon married my Great Grand Uncle, John Joseph Sutton and in 1861,71 and 81 Samuel Beedon and family were in Devonshire Street Newington and he was a plumber. So what are the odds that many many years later my Fathers ancestors in Devonshire Street would become connected to my Mothers ancestors in Devonshire Street by marriage in 1931, and what's the betting that they all knew each other in Devonshire Street because everyone needs a plumber, hairdresser or a bottle of perfume for a pressie for the wife!! Amazing what we find out about our ancestors and what we could tell them if we went back in time. Would welcome any feedback. Eileen. http://www.epfranchi.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/page1.htm

I have a bit of a puzzle sent to me by a fellow researcher on my tree. We have found the items below but there is a problem as you might see on the 1871. I think that that Alice is actually 3, not 8 when you blow up the image which will tie in with her ages on the other two records. :1861 - 77 Devonshire Street William / head / 40 / Wilts Salisbury Eliza / wife / 36 / Sussex Sarah / daugh / 19 / Walworth Emily / daugh / 17 / Walworth Anne / daugh / 12 / Camberwell William / son / 15 / Camberwell Alice / daugh / 8 / Walworth Matthew / son / 2 / Lambeth 1871 - 77 Devonshire Street William / head / 48 / Wilts Salisbury Eliza / wife / 60 / America Julia / daugh / 18 / Newington Eliza [?] / daugh / 16 / Newington Robert / son / 14 / Newington Alice / daugh 11 / Newington Matthew / son / 9 / Lambeth Alfred / son / 8 / Lambeth Susan / daugh / 6 / Lambeth Elizabeth / daugh / 2 / Lambeth 1881 - 18 New Street, Westminster James GIBSON / head / 47 / Crowland Lincolnshire Alice / wife / 25 / Kennington Alice R E / daugh /1 / Westminster Middlesex Eliza HALE / mother in law / widow / 57 / Lewes Sussex Elizabeth HALE / sister in law / 12 / Kennington So, after William died in 1879 did Eliza go to live with her daughter Alice who had married James Gibson (20 years her senior!) The youngest daughter went with her. So who's this Eliza born in America and aged 60 in 1871? Either a big error or this is someone different (maybe William's mother in law, rather than wife? But then the age is too young). on FindMyPast and there is an Eliza HALL (not HALE), born 1823 (so 48) living in Lambeth but born in Lewes. Could be her? I cant find her on Ancestry. Is there something I am missing? Any help please would be great. Eileen.

Or ... who gave the information? Perhaps the family wasn't home at the time and the neighbors "guessed" at the ages. Happened all the time, esp. in rural America -- think spring, think mud, think trudging around on foot only to find folks not there. You were just glad to have any information on the household if you were the census-taker! Ant to Margaret's comment: > They also would not think that 150 years later we would be searching for > them so who cared how old they were. Or that 400 years after they died, someone placed a grave on the stone to remember them .... It really is quite amazing, isn't it? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margaret Cambridge" <talktomarg@shaw.ca> To: "Frank Green" <letellierfg@hotmail.com>; <London-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 1:46 PM Subject: Re: [LON] CENSUS - Recorded Age > Hi Frank, > A lot of people didn't write well enough to record birthdates so probably > were not certain of a childs birth year. Also imagine a father looking at > his kids and recording them by how tall they were. If you grew taller than > your older sister your dad would be in a dilema. I'm one of 7 and my > father carried a card in his wallet with our birth dates on it as he could > never remember how old we were..-)) I generally have found the census > closest to their birth is most likely to be nearly correct. > They also would not think that 150 years later we would be searching for > them so who cared how old they were. > > Marg > From the Beautiful British Columbia Cariboo Region, Canada > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Frank Green" <letellierfg@hotmail.com> > To: "genealogy" <london-l@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 10:24 AM > Subject: [LON] CENSUS > > > > Hello Listers, > While searching through sequential census I've noticed, among other > things, some significant discrepancies in persons ages between the ten > year census periods. I suppose for some people there was less importance > attached to remembering precise dates in those earlier years, and may > they > have only thought about it when the census man called. I understand it > was > once thought that some family Heads intentionally advanced their age so as > to qualify earlier for the newly introduced pension. It sounds like a > cute > plan but I would doubt that the authorities , even in the mid 19th > century, > would let that pass unquestioned. One of my families in fact showed that > either the census taker, or the family Heads , had added ten more years > to > their previously established age. There are probably a good many > theories (and stories) about census errors, discrepancies, and I would be > most interested to read comments from Listers on this subject. I hope I’m > not re-introducing an already much discussed subject. > Thank you. > Frank, MANITOBA > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > This mailing list works in parallel with the London surname interest list > on the web at http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/london.html . Check for > matching interests and add your own ! > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: LONDON-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LONDON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message