I really need some fresh eyes to take a look at this census for 1861 for me. 1861 Census...St. Bride, Mdx. Charlotte Hughes abt 1801 age 60 nurse Reading, Berkshire, Head James Hughes abt 1842,age 19 porter Chiselhurst, Kent, son Ellen Hennern abt 1858 age 3 St. Andrews, Mdx., Granddaughter This brick wall has been my nemisis for about 10 years now and I really need help with it. James is my gt. grandfather and I am looking for a marriage for Charlotte (his mother). On his birth record in the parish records it shows her as being a single woman but on James's marriage certificate he states his father is Charles Hughes. The reason I want fresh eyes is to look at this census and make out the last name of Ellen, the grand daughter. She is not James's daughter . The last name of Hennern is just a guess and I wanted to find her birth to locate further siblings of James and thus to his father. I would appreciate any kind of help that anyone can give me.

Hi from Oz, I have a great grand uncle William H. FITZPATRICK who according to the 1871 English Census ( listed under Fitzfortick -- those Ancestry transcriptions!) living in Greenwich, with his brother-in-law, Edward James Badham, and son, Charles FitzPatrick Francis Badham.He is unmarried, aged 38, born in Irelandabout 1833. Before 1871 he is a mystery, but I know his mother who was English (Susan WOOLLS) and most of his siblings were back in Englandby 1851 after his father died in 1843. After 1871, I have a reference to his being in Toronto, Ontario, Canadaby 1878. Could anyone give me some guidance as to where I could check immigration records from Londonto Canadabetween 1871 and 1878. Many thanks, Sue (NSW, Australia)

MY brick wall are the MESSERs generally!!!! William and Ann MESSER, married 1791 in St G in E. William a Ropemaker. Children - Ann 1791 married William IVES 1812; Sarah 1794; Susannah 1796 married George HOLMES 1814; Elizabeth 1798; Richard 1799; Mary 1802 (married Robert BLACKFORD 1819??); James b/d1804; William John 1805; Henry 1807 who MAY be mine. Could have links to Ealing and Hampshire MESSERs. Barbara in Sydney Australia

Hi Caroline, Thank you so much for replying. This is a great list . Everyone so helpful. At the moment trying to locate date and place of death of Frank . - seems a bit of a mystery there Thanks again Muriel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Caroline Bradford" <caroline.bradford@btinternet.com> To: "'Murlel Sherlock'" <muriel.sherlock@iolfree.ie>; <london@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 3:29 PM Subject: RE: [LON] Arrowsmith and Gardner > Hi Muriel > > Not sure if you have had a reply to this yet. If so, apologies for the > duplication (and a heartfelt plea to those who choose to respond off list > to > post a short message to the list to say they have done so!) > > Frank and Kate married at St John the Evangelist, East Dulwich on 12 > August > 1908. Frank's father (from the marriage register) was Alfred (deceased). > His mother appears to have been Cathereen (sic) Elizabeth Love MILLEDGE, > who > married Alfred ARROWSMITH on 6 February 1875 at St Peter, Walworth. > > Does this help? > > Caroline >> >> Hello all. >> Hope someone can help. >> >> I'm looking for the parentage of Frank Hubert Arrowsmith who was born >> in >> 1886 Lambeth London. >> He married in 1908 London Camberwell to Kate Isabel Gardner who was >> born >> in Brixton Lambeth - Would luv to know her parents too ? >> >> I know they had a son, Norman Hubert Arrowsmith who was born 8 April >> 1910 at >> Dulwich Camberwell London . Parish of Woodford. >> >> Many thanks >> >> Muriel >> >

Hi Listers, My thanks to Bev W and Antony Lambert for their responses. I will check out the Wolverhampton records when I have a bit more time. I have checked the death of Susan MASTERS and see there was such a child born 1880, living in Bermondsey in 1881, and no relation to me. Greenwich is the right area for my Susan but I am mystified as to why she should be registered at death as MASTERS since she was legitimately a DANIEL, my grandmother married my grandfather as a DANIEL, and her mother married James PRINGLE as a DANIEL! I'll do a bit more digging and see if I can rule this Susan MASTERS in or out. My thanks to you both, Lesley

Hi from New Zealand, I am trying to find any information on my grandmother ELLEN DAVIS born abt 1869 (according to 1891-2011 census) in Oxford I have had all Church records from there and cannot find her. 1891 census she was a servant in Twickenham Middlesex, then 1901-1911 she was living in Acton Middlesex, my father Charles born 1903 and although I do have his baptism and birth certificates giving his father;s name as Harry/Henry HALL cannot also find a marriage, Ellen married for the second time 1907 and that is where she said she was a widow, her fathers name was Henry a bootmaker. Maybe her name wasn't Ellen/Helen which is on her death certificate she died 1948 Acton Any help would be appreciated Here's hoping a brick wall will be finally broken Thanking you all Eileen

Interesting that a Samuel and Esther freshwater had a Benjamin baptised at St Mary Bow in September 1841 > Name: Benjamin Freshwater Record Type: Baptism Estimated Birth Date: abt 1841 Baptism Date: 25 Sep 1841 Father's Name: Samuel Freshwater Mother's Name: Esther Freshwater Parish or Poor Law Union: St Mary Stratford Bow Borough: Tower Hamlets Amelia born 1845 Name: Amelia Freshwater Record Type: Baptism Estimated Birth Date: abt 1845 Baptism Date: 1 Jul 1845 Father's Name: Samuel Freshwater Mother's Name: Esther Freshwater Parish or Poor Law Union: St Mary Stratford Bow Borough: Tower Hamlets Susanna 1853 Name: Susanna Freshwater Record Type: Baptism Estimated Birth Date: abt 1853 Baptism Date: 7 Sep 1853 Father's Name: Samuel Freshwater Mother's Name: Esther Freshwater Parish or Poor Law Union: St Mary Stratford Bow Borough: Tower Hamlets These are the Ancestry baptism records Anne On 21 Oct 2011, at 22:33, Margaret Nerine Humphries wrote: >>> Evening >>> >>> I am trying to find my FRESHWATER family who lived in East End London >>> >>> I have fouind the family on the 1851 Census living at 10 Bakers Alley, >>> Parish St Mary Stratford, Bow >>> Samuel Freshwater 41 and wife Esther age 37, she was born Corbet, with >>> children Frederick age 14, Enoch aged 10, Charles aged 6, John aged 4 > and >>> Francis aged 1. I could not find them on the 1841 census, but seeing >> Enoch >>> was born in 1841 I ordered his birth certificate and it gives the > address >>> as Bakers Alley, Bow, so in Feb. 1841 they were there >>> >>> I would like to find out who were the parents of Samuel Freshwater and >>> Esther Corbet, They were married before 1837 so am unable to obtain a >>> marriage certificate for them. according to the 1851 census, gives his >>> place of birth as Stratford >>> >>> Regards >>> Margaret >>> >> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > This mailing list works in parallel with the London surname interest list on the web at http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/london.html . Check for matching interests and add your own ! > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: LONDON-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LONDON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My brick wall. I'm searching for the marriage of Richard Spall & Ann Richards in the years of 1832 to 1838,they lived in the Islington / London area.Please feel free to go offline. I've tried many surname [Spall] variations without any results. Les Australia

Hi Sonia SUFFLING is very much a Norfolk name. In the 1861 census its bearers live only in Norfolk or London, and the latter almost certainly came from Norfolk originally. So I think it is reasonable to assume that Ann was born SUFFLING. Thomas's place of birth in 1881 is Leeds, Yorks, not Lewes. There are no SUFFLINGs in Yorkshire. What is the wording on Caroline's birth certificate? Does it pretend that Ann and Thomas are married (i.e. is Ann SUFFLING, formerly BROWN?)? Or is it a fairly common type of wording for an illegitimate birth, with the forenames being Caroline Selina Brown and no father's name given? There is a very likely candidate for Ann SUFFLING in Hanworth in the 1861 and 1871 censuses, daughter of Joseph and Sarah (the former being dead by 1871). In 1871 there is a slightly suspicious looking child, Hector E SUFFLING, enumerated as the grandson of Sarah. His birth is registered in Erpingham RD in Q3 1866. In 1881, when Ann's sister (also Sarah) is head of the household, he is called her nephew. In 1891, he is still living with Sarah jnr but is now her brother. He is a schoolmaster in Hackney in 1901 and in Whitechapel in 1911. Why my interest in Hector, you may wonder? Because thanks to the LDS, the majority of Norfolk baptism registers are available for online browsing at FamilySearch, and Hector's baptism on 10 April 1869 at Hanworth parish church shows his mother as Anne SUFFLING (no father). The two BROWNs living in the same house as Ann in 1881 may be a red herring, as it is such a common name. I will have a closer look and see if I can come up with anything. Best wishes for now, Caroline > > I can't find my grandmother, born Caroline Selina "Lena or Helena" > Brown > Suffling, or her mother in the 1891 census. Gran was born in May 1877 > at > Elmore St. Islington and was living with her parents at the same > address in > 1881. Her parents didn't marry. Her mother, Ann Suffling, born Hanworth > Norfolk, was living with her father Thomas H. Brown or Suffling in 1881 > - > but I can't find him earlier or later in time, though from something > Gran > said her father was living when she was nine. The 1881 shows Thomas H. > "Suffling" as a railway clerk born "Lewes Yorks" - no such place. > George > Brown, born Norfolk and also a railway clerk, was head of the household > in > 1881. I think Thomas H. may have been a much younger half brother of > George > but can't prove it. Ann Brown, widow, aunt of widow Emma Haynes living > in > another flat in the house on Elmore St, may have been married to a > relative > of George and Thomas H. Brown (or Suffling,) but I can't find out who > her > late husband was. Ann Suffling died at Albion Grove Islington in Feb > 1899. > Can anyone solve the mystery? > > Appreciate any ideas! > Sonia in the U.S. >

Hello. I continually stub my toes on this brickwall. Patience LOVE, born 1826 in Coggeshall Essex. Parents Elizabeth c1794 and William LOVE 1787 in Coggeshall, Essex. She married George SMITH, a tailor, in 1846 and daughter Emily was born 1847. That's as far as I can get with Patience, I cannot find her death yet I believe she died young as I think I've found her husband, George SMITH, tailor, in London married to someone else. I've gone back a long way on the LOVE side, but would like to find out a bit more about Patience, particularly her death date. Regards. Barbara. Suffolk.

Hi Muriel Not sure if you have had a reply to this yet. If so, apologies for the duplication (and a heartfelt plea to those who choose to respond off list to post a short message to the list to say they have done so!) Frank and Kate married at St John the Evangelist, East Dulwich on 12 August 1908. Frank's father (from the marriage register) was Alfred (deceased). His mother appears to have been Cathereen (sic) Elizabeth Love MILLEDGE, who married Alfred ARROWSMITH on 6 February 1875 at St Peter, Walworth. Does this help? Caroline > > Hello all. > Hope someone can help. > > I'm looking for the parentage of Frank Hubert Arrowsmith who was born > in > 1886 Lambeth London. > He married in 1908 London Camberwell to Kate Isabel Gardner who was > born > in Brixton Lambeth - Would luv to know her parents too ? > > I know they had a son, Norman Hubert Arrowsmith who was born 8 April > 1910 at > Dulwich Camberwell London . Parish of Woodford. > > Many thanks > > Muriel >

I am looking for the marriage of John Richardson (bricklayer) to Catherine circa 1817 I would appreciate help,Charles

I've been searching for the birth and parentage of g-g-g-grandfather Samuel Hensher for over 20 years now. He lived in Croydon from 1800 till his death in 1833 aged 57. So he was born c 1776. I believe he married at St George, Hanover Sq in June 1795 and had his first 2 chidren baptised at St Botolph Aldgate in 1797 and 1798. He was a tobacco pipe maker and most of his children also followed this trade moving back to London, Bethnal Green and Stepney areas. He may have had a brother William born c 1766 who lived and worked as a pipemaker in Hornsey. Whether they were born in London or moved in I don't know. The name is found as Hensher, Hansher, Hencher and the more common Henshaw. There was a Hensher/ aw family of pipemakers in Northampton and Lutterworth in the 17th and 18th centuries, though have found no Samuel! I have searched Ancestry, Find my past and the Genealogist with no success! Can anyone suggest any strategies please? Many thanks Bev Robertson

Alfred was the son of my g.grandmother, Emily Selina SEGGER/ASSITER/ SMITH/WILSON and her second husband, Charles John SMITH Merchant Seaman. Have only just found the boy, Alfred SMITH born 1907, living with his mother at 39 Milkwood Rd. SE Lambeth in the 1911 census. Emily is listed as married, but in December 1911 married Benjamin WILSON who was a boarder at this address. Not hopeful of tracking someone named SMITH but you never know...............and would love to find his family. Hanging out for the next Census! Judy.......Perth W.Australia

Sorry, left him off the previous email. b 03 Feb 1897 Edmonton, parents Frederick Charles Warren and Alice Stevens. In 1911 he is living in Dydson Stree, with parents and some siblings and is described as an Errand Boy in a Nursery.Nothing else know. Jan MoonPottsville NSW Australia

Hi Folks Well, here are three of mine in the same family - any listers with time on their hands might care to choose one to look into please? I am trying to identify the fates of three of the eleven (at least) children of my gtX2 grandparents Joseph and Priscilla Jacobs who were born, married and died in Deptford, London/Kent. I have traced many of them but three have so far eluded me. I have a sub to Ancestry so I have searched all records there. 1) Caroline Margaret Jacobs was born to these parents in 1820 and was baptised at St.Paul Deptford that year. Subsequently I can find no further certain reference to her in BMD records or censuses* but in her father's will dated late 1849 he makes a bequest to "my eldest daughter Caroline Daly". I cannot find a marriage on Ancestry between a Caroline Jacobs and a male Daly nor a certain record of her demise in either name. (There is burial in this name in Greenwich in 1849 but the age is wrong and the death before the date of the aforementioned will). * There is a girl of the right age on the 1841 in Kent but is not living with parents so cannot be identified. 2) On the 1841 census for Deptford Joseph Jacobs is now widowed and has remarried to Elizabeth. Living with them is my gt.grandfather Charles (aged 12) and a James aged 13. I have no idea where James has suddenly appeared from since there is no trace of a baptism or death on Ancestry. He is not mentioned as a beneficiary in his father's will but a portrait of James is bequeathed to his sister Jessie, which may indicate that James is no longer alive in 1849. 3) The "Jessie" mentioned above. Again there is no record on Ancestry of her baptism, marriage or demise but she would have been born before 1832. No 1841 census record either. Any help very gratefully received but not much expected!! Thanks John

Isleworth was in the Brentford registration district.. A search on FreeBMD between 1860 and 1866 gives only one John Lee 1863 Dec 3a 61 Brentford. If you haven't already obtained birth cert it might be worth a chance. Regards Jean On 22 October 2011 11:08, Christine Ashby <christine_ashby@btinternet.com>wrote: > Hello and help! > > > > I'm trying to find the birth family of JOHN LEE born 1862-65 in Isleworth. > I have lots of information but can't confirm anything earlier than the 1894 > birth of his only natural daughter. He married Caroline Murray in 1899 and > stated his father was John, plate layer. Having followed a number of > dead-ends and red-herrings I'm left with some possibilities and now obvious > ways to confirm so any thoughts gratefully received. > > > > Thank you. > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > This mailing list works in parallel with the London surname interest list > on the web at http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/london.html . Check for > matching interests and add your own ! > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: LONDON-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LONDON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello and help! I'm trying to find the birth family of JOHN LEE born 1862-65 in Isleworth. I have lots of information but can't confirm anything earlier than the 1894 birth of his only natural daughter. He married Caroline Murray in 1899 and stated his father was John, plate layer. Having followed a number of dead-ends and red-herrings I'm left with some possibilities and now obvious ways to confirm so any thoughts gratefully received. Thank you.

My brick wall is the location of Mary Elizabeth Leonard. Born Oct. 1904 in Fulham, London, in the 1911 census I have have located both her siblings in Bristol Industrial Schools but Mary seems to be missing. I am told that she was around the Battle area in a Catholic school/home. Her parents were Clara Louisa Munt and William Edward Leonard, his occupation was listed as Laundryman and living in Hammersmith area in the 1901 census. Other children's names are William Stanley & Rose Mary. Any ideas please as to the whereabouts of Mary Elizabeth Leonard Regards Steve

I've got as far back in this line as Alexander LEFORT/E whose marriage licence in 1708 gives him as a bachelor, aged 37, making him born in 1671. At the time of his marriage he was living in St Anne Soho. He appears to have been employed by Gilbert Burnet the Bishop of Salisbury, as he was buried from the Bishop's house in 1712, and he was also a witness to the Bishop's will. I've searched records for St Martin in the Fields, from which parish St Anne was formed, and tried to find details of the household of Bishop Burnet. Jeanette. >>From time to time we have 'quiet times', on the list, and it's always nice > when someone has a particularly difficult 'brick wall' that we can help > knock down. > > I thought, maybe, in this quiet period, we might be able to do that now, > knock down a few of those walls. > > We have some great people on the list, full of knowledge, and they have > been > willing helpers so many times. >