Matt wrote > my gg grandfather: Henry John Saunders. ... >born in about 1862 - 1865 in St Pancras ... >I do find Henry in the 1891 census (age 27), born in St Pancras with his child (John Henry George) and wife still living in White Hart Lane ... >I see no sign of him in 1901 and 1911 ... >in his son's marriage certificate, I discover he has died and his middle name was John. So, it looks like he died between the 1891 and 1901 censuses. Doing a FreeBMD search for the death of a Henry Saunders for that date range, there is only one for which the age is about right: and he happens to have the second name John. In addition, the Registration District is Hackney, which is very close to White Hart Lane. This was in 1898Sep, reference 1b 372. A few pounds spent on obtaining the certificate could pay off. No guarantees, of course. HTH Roger Lovegrove Please do visit the LOVEGROVE Information Centre on http://www.lovegrove.f9.co.uk/ons/ For information about the Guild of One-Name Studies, or to see if a member is researching your surname of interest, go to http://www.one-name.org

Hi List, My grandmother Jessie Sarah WILSON (nee SMITH) died in 1916 in Poplar leaving a bunch of abandoned children some of whom, I recently discovered, finished up at the Poplars Schools at Brentwood in Essex which I understand was an sponsored orphanage. I’ve found a general website for the schools but I’m having difficulty finding any records of admissions or discharges. Does A.K.S. have any information about this institution around 1916 and more importantly can anybody point me in the right direction to verifying which of the children might actually have been admitted. Kind regards Brian Wilson – Adelaide South Australia ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 7.0.0.26, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.18570) http://www.pctools.com/ =======

Lyn, Are you aware there's a one-name study for GIDLEY? http://www.one-name.org/profiles/gidley.html HTH Judy London, UK -----Original Message----- From: london-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:london-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lyn Wolf My brickwall is Caroline Ann GIDLEY. She married John James BREWER 20 Aug 1826, Old Church, Saint Pancras, London. A witness was Robert Pyne GIDLEY, presumably her father, grandfather, brother or uncle. They appear on the 1841 census (HO 107/665/13) in Islington. This indicates that Caroline was not born in this county. She had died before the '51 census. So far, I have been unable to locate either her birth/christening details, or a death certificate. Any ideas received with thanks. Lyn Wolf Australia

I have Thomas Timms marrying Edith Hawes October 3rd 1900 at St Barnabas Hammersmith London. Thomas was described as a Gunner. On the 1901 census Thomas & Edith were found at 5 Hultsdorph Cottages Tower Hill, Dover. Gunner Royal Garrison Artillery, b 1875, St Pancras London. Have been unable to find Thomas’s birth. Has any body have Thomas in their Tree, or can assist in finding his birth. My wife would be forever grateful. Regards Alan Gooch Alan & Marion Gooch Villa 135 Lauriston Park 91 Coleridge Street Leamington Cambridge 3432 07-823-1420

Alan Gooch wrote: >I have Thomas Timms marrying Edith Hawes October 3rd 1900 at St Barnabas >Hammersmith London. Thomas was described as a Gunner. On the 1901 census >Thomas & Edith were found at 5 Hultsdorph Cottages Tower Hill, Dover. >Gunner Royal Garrison Artillery, b 1875, St Pancras London. Have been >unable to find Thomas’s birth. Has any body have Thomas in their Tree, or >can assist in finding his birth. My wife would be forever grateful. Alan, I believe I have found his army records on Ancestry...he reenlisted for WW1 from an address in Bristol, where he was working as a baker. The records state he was 19years 11 months old at his enlistment in 1894 and that his mother's name was Margaret. On the 1911 census, there is a Thomas (a baker) and an Edith Lily Timms in Bristol with children Edith Laura, Lillian Maud and Edith Rose. Army pension records also indicate that there was an Albert as well. But the census indicates he was born in Brize Norton and she in Bristol (possibly an error). Before I do any more digging, are the names of the children familiar to you? Do you have his father's name from the marriage certificate? Best wishes Kim

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Hello All My brickwall is my gfather Charles Apps bc 1886/9 Walworth, London, (on navy record 1917), before 1915marriage he has disappeared , not on 1901/1911 census. Many thanks in advance gson Brian

I have two snippets to offer: 1. Found via Quicksearch (TNA): Records of Sun Fire Office MS 11936/448/828076 6 February 1809 Insured: Patrick Neri 12 York Street Portman Square esq Other property or occupiers: 134 York Street These documents are held at Guildhall Library. It may well be possible to add to this picture using rate books. 2. Found via "London Lives": Middlesex Sessions: Sessions Papers - Justices' Working Documents SM | PS June 1793 LL ref: LMSMPS508850018 Patrick NARY found Not Guilty. Possibly the same man. The L.M.A. may have more information about this case. I would be interested to see the full text of the 1805 marriage. With best wishes, John Townsend Antiquarian Bookseller/Genealogist http://www.johntownsend.demon.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "J.M.de Montalk" <jmdemontalk@xtra.co.nz> To: <LONDON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 10:13 PM Subject: [LON] Brickwall: NERI >I have Judith Anne Charlotte NERI baptised at St James Westminster on 8 >June 1814, daughter of Patrick & Mary Anne NERI. His occupation was "Esq.". > I've found her parents' marriage (11 Jan 1805 St George Hanover Sq.) and > baptisms of siblings, but no births for either parent. Does anyone know > anything of the name "Neri" - its origins ? > Judith next shows up in Paris as Judith Charlotte Anne O'Kennedy - this is > given as her maiden name on the birth certificate of her son, but some > documents also show the "Neri" as part of her name. > > I would like to trace her parents back - possibly her father was Irish > which might mean the end of the trail! > > Any thoughts would be welcomed. I haven't found the family on any > censuses, apart from one sister. > > Jeanette

My brickwall is finding Mary Elizabeth LEONARD, born Oct 1904 in Fulham. Parents are Clara Louisa Munt & William Edward Leonard. The other 2 children are Rose Mary & William Stanley. I have located both WS & RM in Industrial homes in Bristol and can account for them BUT Mary Elizabeth seems to be missing from the 1911 Census. I am told from family members that she was in a Catholic run Home/School around either the London or Battle area's. Can anyone help me to crack this brick wall please? Kind regards, Steve

Hi, all: I am trying to tie together my immigrant Jamestown ancestor with a possible uncle who had been an East India Company investor before he died, and was from Norfolk according to Boyd's Inhabitants of London: http://www.virtualjamestown.org/Muster/search.muster.cgi?start_page=0&search_type=basic&database=muster_1624&last=cob%25&first=&muster=&age-op=&age1=&age2=&month=&year=&date= St. Bartholomew the Great Church, London, 1616-1969 Church of England. BENIAMIN Male Christening: 17 NOV 1630 son of Josephe & Elizabeth Cobb DUDLEY DIGGSE Christening 18 SEP 1661 son of Elizabeth Edward DIGGSE (DIGGES). [a governor of the Virginia colony during the Interregnum] >From the parish records of St Mary Le Bow, London ROBERT m. JANE BARNS 26 SEP 1575 (at Allhallows Honey Lane) Note: the father of all of the following was ROBERT: MARGETT Female Christening: 22 SEP 1577 M. JAMES TRAVERS 29 MAY 1593 (Note: granddaughter Jane mentioned in father Robert's will) RICHARD Christening: 04 JAN 1579 Will 1617 Girdler and Citizen of London ELYNE Christening: 24 MAY 1580 M. FRANCIS TAYLOR 01 JUN 1598 Girdler & Citizen ROBERT Christening: 24 MAY 1581 Burial: 29 MAY 1581 NATHANIELL Christening: 10 JUN 1582 MARTHA Christening: 30 JAN 1586 m. John SHERRINGTON 16 APR 1605 Mitcham, Surrey MARY Christening: 09 JUN 1588 HENRY Christening: 10 AUG 1589 Burial: 03 MAR 1595 ELIZABETH Burial 24 MAY 1603 ROBERT Burial 19 Feb 1606 (noted as Merchant) Will 21 Feb 1607 PCC PROB 11/09 Huddleston 1-47 This Robert Cobbe, citizen and girdler, was a charter investor in the East India Company, and one of Elizabeth I's pirates, I mean privateers, preying primarily on the Spanish Main per the records of the High Court of Admiralty. He owned a ship named the Margaret, no doubt named after his first-born daughter... Best regards, Stephanie

I have Judith Anne Charlotte NERI baptised at St James Westminster on 8 June 1814, daughter of Patrick & Mary Anne NERI. His occupation was "Esq.". I've found her parents' marriage (11 Jan 1805 St George Hanover Sq.) and baptisms of siblings, but no births for either parent. Does anyone know anything of the name "Neri" - its origins ? Judith next shows up in Paris as Judith Charlotte Anne O'Kennedy - this is given as her maiden name on the birth certificate of her son, but some documents also show the "Neri" as part of her name. I would like to trace her parents back - possibly her father was Irish which might mean the end of the trail! Any thoughts would be welcomed. I haven't found the family on any censuses, apart from one sister. Jeanette

Hello Pat, Andrew, Thank you very much. I’m delighted to receive your information re Ellen GREEN. Its quite a revelation. Best wishes. Frank, Winnipeg

This won't help <g> but on James C's marriage cert-one of the witnesses is Sarah He???. Looking for a reasonable match for a Sarah Hughes with father Charles (carman) brings up: London, England, Marriages and Banns Name: John Hennem Occ:Porter Age: 35 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837 Spouse Name: Sarah Hughes Spouse Age: 38 Record Type: Marriage Marriage Date: 16 May 1872 Parish: St Philip, Bethnal Green County: Middlesex Borough: Tower Hamlets Father Name: John Hennem Occ:Chemist Spouse Father Name: Charles Hughes Occ:Carman I have a feeling that John and Sarah may not have married before having children. Should we be looking for a Hughes birth? Just throwing this into the mixing bowl! Best, Maureen in NY

Carol, There is a marriage between Elizabeth Haynes and William Fullbrook 21 June 1857 at St James' Church Shoreditch. This must be the Elizabeth who witnessed Charles Haynes' marriage. Her father is shown as Thomas Haynes and his occupation is general dealer. I have also found a possible marriage for Robert Haynes. If the marriage is correct, then then age is out by 10 years. However, it shows Robert as a cattle dealer and it shows his father as Thomas Haynes deceased. The marriage took place 21 Dec 1872 at St Andrew's Church Islington. It might be worthwhile looking for this couple on the 1881 census to see whether birth dates match up. Lynda> From: lyndarooke123@hotmail.co.uk > To: london@rootsweb.com > Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 08:30:19 +0100 > Subject: [LON] brick wall Haynes > > > > > > Hi Carol, I think I may have found a marriage for Thomas' son Charles, b.1846 He married Ellen Breen at St James' Church Shoreditch 30 Nov 1869. Charles' occupation is shown as a Drover and his father is shown as Thomas, deceased and he was also a drover.One of the witnesses was Elizabeth Fulbrook. Could this be his sister's married name perhaps? Lynda > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > This mailing list works in parallel with the London surname interest list on the web at http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/london.html . Check for matching interests and add your own ! > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: LONDON-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LONDON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jean, welcome to the Lee family search and associated brick walls due to the very common surname. I too have a John LEE ancestor born around 1860 but mine was born at Southwark. If you have his father's name and occupation then like Jean advises obtaining a birth certificate will be the only way to go, unless someone on this lists finds a likely candidate on Ancestry's London baptisms database. A registry somewhere close to where John claimed he was born may be a start, but very often where a person thought he was born bears no comparison where the event actually took place, and very often it was the mothers home area where a child was actually born and maybe registered. Also if applying for a birth certificate and not 100% sure it is the correct one, you can these days for the same fee apply for the GRO to look for the correct entry one year either side of a year you nominate if you state you don't know the exact reference. In that case if the entry in Brentford shows his father was not John then the GRO will give you a total fee refund and you can search further. Lastly once you have found the correct entry I strongly suggest you add a "postit note" to the relative entry to the FreeBMD website, as this would be of emense assistance to all the other LEE researchers out there and you never know it may lead to fellow researchers with branches from your same LEE tree. This has happened to me several times especially as I include a "non computer recognised" e-mail address to each "post it note". cheers and best of luck, Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean Greenwood" <jeangreenwood@virginmedia.com> To: "Christine Ashby" <christine_ashby@btinternet.com> Cc: <LONDON@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 8:33 PM Subject: Re: [LON] Brickwall - LEE > Isleworth was in the Brentford registration district.. A search on FreeBMD > between 1860 and 1866 gives only one John Lee 1863 Dec 3a 61 Brentford. > > If you haven't already obtained birth cert it might be worth a chance. > > Regards > Jean > > On 22 October 2011 11:08, Christine Ashby > <christine_ashby@btinternet.com>wrote: > >> Hello and help! >> >> >> >> I'm trying to find the birth family of JOHN LEE born 1862-65 in >> Isleworth. >> I have lots of information but can't confirm anything earlier than the >> 1894 >> birth of his only natural daughter. He married Caroline Murray in 1899 >> and >> stated his father was John, plate layer. Having followed a number of >> dead-ends and red-herrings I'm left with some possibilities and now >> obvious >> ways to confirm so any thoughts gratefully received. >> >> >> >> Thank you. >> >> >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> This mailing list works in parallel with the London surname interest list >> on the web at http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/london.html . Check for >> matching interests and add your own ! >> >> Any problems, please contact the List Admin: LONDON-admin@rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> LONDON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > >

Hi Frank and list Found as matron in Sanatorium in West Stroud - so not London list in 1901 or 1911. Single aged 39 born Exeter The ref is RG14PN15352 Cotswold Sanatorium West Stroud Gloucestershire Hope this helps Pat Gauge (recently returned to list after lengthy absence) On 24 October 2011 02:30, Frank Green <letellierfg@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > I am searching for Ellen GREEN b.1871 Exeter. Last info retrieved from 1901 census, she is shown as nurse working at 'The Ruowle" in Reigate, Surrey. I believed she worked in a hospital and I don't  know what "The Ruowle"  stands for.   Would SKS take a peak at the 1911 census ? Possibly she is included in a Reigate hospital staff complement. Many thanks  Frank,  Winnipeg. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > This mailing list works in parallel with the London surname interest list on the web at http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/london.html .  Check for matching interests and add your own ! > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: LONDON-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LONDON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Carol, I think I may have found a marriage for Thomas' son Charles, b.1846 He married Ellen Breen at St James' Church Shoreditch 30 Nov 1869. Charles' occupation is shown as a Drover and his father is shown as Thomas, deceased and he was also a drover.One of the witnesses was Elizabeth Fulbrook. Could this be his sister's married name perhaps? Lynda

This particular Haynes family have been a problem from the start, but brick by brick I have knocked a hole in the wall over 15 years and. With the help of LMA records now available on Ancestry a few more bricks have fallen out as well but, one question answered brings up more questions. I have now found my Gt Gt Grandfathers baptism and found he had at least one brother, this other brother is now proving just as difficult to find as my Gt Gt Grandfather. I found an entry on the 1851 census which looks correct but cannot find any further entries on 61,71,81 etc. I am not surprised about not finding them on 41 as i know some bits are missing I have tried husband, wife and all the boys – I realise the daughter could be married by 61 census. Please could someone else have a look and hopefully find them under a stone that I haven’t seen HO107 1515 384 36 23 Red Lion Alley, St Sepulchre, Finsbury, Middlesex Haynes, Thomas  40  1811  Drover  b St Lukes              Eleanor      36   1815 General Dealer  Clerkenwell              Robert      17    1834  Errand Boy   St Andrews, Holborn              Thomas    15   1836   Scholar       Clerkenwell            Elizabeth   12    1839     “                 Clerkenwell             Charles     5      1846      “                 Clerkenwell                 William 3      1848      “                 Clerkenwell                 John      1      1850                         Clerkenwell I found a marriage for Thomas Haynes to Eleanor Parker  24 Feb 1834 at St Andrews, Holborn but as it is before 1837, it does not contain Thomas’s father’s name to make this a definite match. I also found a baptism for a Robert Haynes at St Thomas Charterhouse in 1847 – Parents Thomas and Ellen. But no other children’s baptisms on either in LMA records or family search Any ideas Please Many thanks in anticipation Kay

I have been researching my family tree for over ten years, and proudly have many of my ancestral lines completed up till at least 1837. However, one of my family names has proven very difficult – Saunders, and especially my gg grandfather: Henry John Saunders. He was born in about 1862 – 1865 in St Pancras. I can’t find the exact date, because there are so many Henry’s around at the time. In 1890, I have discovered his Marriage  - he was aged 25 and a General Dealer. Married on 13 May 1890 and lived at White Hart Lane. I also found out his father was called Thomas, and had died. Yes (!), I thought – I’ll find him in the Census before, but to no avail. I can’t find any Henry’s and Thomas’s apart from one in Bethnal Green – who is not them (because Thomas is still alive in 1901!). I do find Henry in the 1891 census (age 27), born in St Pancras with his child (John Henry George) and wife still living in White Hart Lane and is a Shop Dealer. Afterwards, I see no sign of him in 1901 and 1911. Finally, in his son’s marriage certificate, I discover he has died and his middle name was John. Can anyone help me please? I’m really stuck on this and would be grateful for any tips the members have on breaking through these numerous problems – particularly the common name. I particularly am keen to discover when Henry was born – I can then order the certificate, and start working back.  One of the most important things about this is I would really like to give the family tree to my uncle who celebrates his 90th birthday soon – he’s a direct ancestor and grandson of Mr Henry Saunders. Any help is appreciated by this fine list. Many thanks! Matt

I am searching for Ellen GREEN b.1871 Exeter. Last info retrieved from 1901 census, she is shown as nurse working at 'The Ruowle" in Reigate, Surrey. I believed she worked in a hospital and I don't know what "The Ruowle" stands for. Would SKS take a peak at the 1911 census ? Possibly she is included in a Reigate hospital staff complement. Many thanks Frank, Winnipeg.