Hello All Can SKS tell me how far apart the above are situated in London, as I have a gfather born in either of these places. Regards Brian (in Birmingham UK)

Would like to know more about a William PRICE and his wife CATHERINE COLLINS. They married about 1841 in the Stepney area which is also where I think they had their children, these being: Cornelius (born 1842) Johannah (born 1843) Charlotte (born 1846) Alfred (born 1848) John Robert (born 1853) 1851 census gives address of 64 Peartree Court, Clerkenwell (I have scan of page) Other than the baptismal records for all five, I have not found any of them anywhere, except for John when he married Minnie CALLAN in 1870 in Victoria, Australia. _____________________________________ Visit my website at http://www.chrismahoney.co.nz/

Hi I am trying to find one William HOWES, and his wife Caroline (nee TURNER) on the 1871 Census, and Caroline on anything earlier, but have had no success in doing so. July 1871 for the birth of their son, the certificate gives an address of 29 Rushton Street in Hoxton Old Town of where the family were living. Their wedding certificate of September 1870 also gives some address's, but these are not clear, wedding certificate can be viewed at: http://www.chrismahoney.co.nz/Query.htm Note that although wedding certificate lists that Caroline's father is Henry, I have heard a story (unconfirmed) that her parents are James TURNER, and Ann THOMAS. My main reason for wanting to find them on the 1871 census is to see what it says about the birth place for Caroline as I have nothing at all on her prior to her marriage. William and Caroline left England in 1874, so will not appear on future census's. Also have plenty on William's background so do not need anything on that. Thanks ================== Visit my website at: http://www.chrismahoney.co.nz/

Hi, My brick wall relates to a Yates family. My gt gt grandfather's name was James Yates Grimwood and his mother, we believe was Sarah Grimwood. Where the Yates came from we do not have any idea but James was born 24 May 1824 and christened on 25 Jan 1831 at St Andrew's Holborn. His mother is named as Sarah Grimwood and father unknown. As Grimwood is a very Suffolk name I am wondering if anyone can throw any light upon Sarah. I did have a message saying that there was a possibility that a Sarah found in 1841 census as a servant in Marylebone and born out of county may possibly be the mother. If anyone can help I would be grateful. Best wishes Sue in Suffolk

I have had a 'brick wall' that I have been trying to knock down for 40 years without success. My 2xgt grandfather, Thomas Barnard was born in 1790, and family naming patterns suggest his parents were named Thomas and Elizabeth. Margaret Cambridge, one of the kind members of this list found a marriage entry of Thomas Barnard & Elizabeth Richardson who were married at St. Dunstan in the West, 17 Nov 1775. They had at least two sons, William, christened, 31 May 1789, and Thomas, christened 24 October, 1790, both at St John-The-Baptist, Walbrook, City of London. My problem is that I can't prove or disprove that any of these people are my family. Although none of the given names are uncommon, they fit precisely in my family through the generations. I know the family details from the 1841 census to the present day. Thomas 1790 died in 1849 before the 1851 census that would have given his place of birth. They were living in Beccles, Suffolk at the time, but neither Thomas or Sarah his wife was born in the county. I would love to contact any descendants of this family so that we could compare our research. Alan British Columbia, Canada

Marilyn I've sent you a couple of reports from the Caledonian Mercury regarding his trial. There was no reference in that paper to his pardon and I suspect the case would not have been big enough to make the London papers, though I will look again later. Best wishes Kim, Hull, East Yorkshire ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marilyn L. Arnold" <marilyn.arnold1@verizon.net> To: <London@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 9:27 PM Subject: [LON] NEWSPAPERS -- 1822-1826 time period & Prison Hulks at Woolwich > What newspapers were in print for the city of London during the above time > period? > > I'm looking specifically for an article/s regarding a William Innes, of > West > Port, Dundee, prisoner received from Edinburgh on March, 23, 1822 aboard > the > Bellephon; he was discharged to the Retribution on April 14, 1823, and > pardoned November 4, 1825. These Bellephon and Retribution were two > prison > hulks, moored at Woolwich, which appears to be near London. (REF: U.K. > Prison Hulk Registers and Letter Books.) > > This man was one of my ancestors and was tried in Perth in January 1822 > for > utterance, sentenced to 7 years transportation. I've ordered the court > records from Edinburgh, but would like to see how I might find out what > happened to him after his release. I doubt he would have had money, and > may > have had to work before going back to Dundee. (If, he in fact did go back > to Dundee; that is not clear .... I don't really know what happened to > him, > so am looking for any clues. > > Thank you! > > Marilyn > DC > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > This mailing list works in parallel with the London surname interest list > on the web at http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/london.html . Check for > matching interests and add your own ! > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: LONDON-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LONDON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

22 Leather Street and 8 London Wall. ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Mahoney <cmahoney@orcon.net.nz> Date: Monday, October 24, 2011 7:49 pm Subject: [LON] Brickwall - HOWES > Hi > > I am trying to find one William HOWES, and his wife Caroline (nee > TURNER) on > the 1871 Census, and Caroline on anything earlier, but have had no > success > in doing so. > > July 1871 for the birth of their son, the certificate gives an > address of 29 > Rushton Street in Hoxton Old Town of where the family were living. > > Their wedding certificate of September 1870 also gives some > address's, but > these are not clear, wedding certificate can be viewed at: > http://www.chrismahoney.co.nz/Query.htm > > Note that although wedding certificate lists that Caroline's father > is > Henry, I have heard a story (unconfirmed) that her parents are > James TURNER, > and Ann THOMAS. > > My main reason for wanting to find them on the 1871 census is to > see what it > says about the birth place for Caroline as I have nothing at all on > her > prior to her marriage. > > William and Caroline left England in 1874, so will not appear on > future > census's. Also have plenty on William's background so do not need > anything > on that. > > > Thanks >

Hi Chris, I am pretty sure her address is 8, London Wall. It is very close to St. Giles. His looks like 22, Leaner Street but I cannot find that on Google maps but it may no longer be there or it says something different. I find the occupation difficult to read but is it mariner? If so are they at sea? I looked in the census for 1871 but without a definite date and place of birth for William it is difficult. I did find a "one world tree" for William which said 1849, Northumberland but I have previously found these trees to contain more fiction than fact. I did try that info but only briefly. Hope this helps, Christine -----Original Message----- From: Chris Mahoney Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 12:49 AM To: LONDON@rootsweb.com Subject: [LON] Brickwall - HOWES Hi I am trying to find one William HOWES, and his wife Caroline (nee TURNER) on the 1871 Census, and Caroline on anything earlier, but have had no success in doing so. July 1871 for the birth of their son, the certificate gives an address of 29 Rushton Street in Hoxton Old Town of where the family were living. Their wedding certificate of September 1870 also gives some address's, but these are not clear, wedding certificate can be viewed at: http://www.chrismahoney.co.nz/Query.htm Note that although wedding certificate lists that Caroline's father is Henry, I have heard a story (unconfirmed) that her parents are James TURNER, and Ann THOMAS. My main reason for wanting to find them on the 1871 census is to see what it says about the birth place for Caroline as I have nothing at all on her prior to her marriage. William and Caroline left England in 1874, so will not appear on future census's. Also have plenty on William's background so do not need anything on that. Thanks ================== Visit my website at: http://www.chrismahoney.co.nz/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ This mailing list works in parallel with the London surname interest list on the web at http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/london.html . Check for matching interests and add your own ! Any problems, please contact the List Admin: LONDON-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LONDON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Peter Wasn't there Zeppelin raids about 1916........... Muriel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Gainsborough" <Peter.Gainsborough@BlueYonder.co.uk> To: <London@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 11:24 PM Subject: [LON] Brickwall - Muriel Isabel GAINSBOROUGH > > > Hello Listers, > > > > Having recently helped a couple of Listers > with their Brickwalls, I'm hoping that someone can help me with mine. > > > > Muriel Isabel GAINSBOROUGH was born 12 > August, 1895 at 134, Court Hill Road, Lewisham, the fourth of six children > of John Thomas GAINSBOROUGH and Florence Katherine nee LYCETT, who married > in 1888 at Islington. Muriel, together with her parents and five > siblings, > appears on the 1911 Census living at 47, Thornford Road, Lewisham. I've > searched the marriages and deaths indexes, using all sorts of > combinations, > but have been unable to find her since 1911. > > > > Will anyone on the list have better luck? > > > > > > Peter > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > This mailing list works in parallel with the London surname interest list > on the web at http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/london.html . Check for > matching interests and add your own ! > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: LONDON-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LONDON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Peter, There are records of an M. GAINSBOROUGH on Ancestry in the British phone books in the London area including at least one I saw in Lewisham going up to 1984. FreeBMD only goes up to 1983. So could it be she never married and this is her? Christine -----Original Message----- From: Peter Gainsborough Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 11:27 PM To: London@rootsweb.com Subject: [LON] Brickwall - Muriel Isabel GAINSBOROUGH Hello Listers, Having recently helped a couple of Listers with their Brickwalls, I'm hoping that someone can help me with mine. Muriel Isabel GAINSBOROUGH was born 12 August, 1895 at 134, Court Hill Road, Lewisham, the fourth of six children of John Thomas GAINSBOROUGH and Florence Katherine nee LYCETT, who married in 1888 at Islington. Muriel, together with her parents and five siblings, appears on the 1911 Census living at 47, Thornford Road, Lewisham. I've searched the marriages and deaths indexes, using all sorts of combinations, but have been unable to find her since 1911. Will anyone on the list have better luck? Peter

Hello Listers, Having recently helped a couple of Listers with their Brickwalls, I'm hoping that someone can help me with mine. Muriel Isabel GAINSBOROUGH was born 12 August, 1895 at 134, Court Hill Road, Lewisham, the fourth of six children of John Thomas GAINSBOROUGH and Florence Katherine nee LYCETT, who married in 1888 at Islington. Muriel, together with her parents and five siblings, appears on the 1911 Census living at 47, Thornford Road, Lewisham. I've searched the marriages and deaths indexes, using all sorts of combinations, but have been unable to find her since 1911. Will anyone on the list have better luck? Peter

Hello Listers, Having recently helped a couple of Listers with their Brickwalls, I'm hoping that someone can help me with mine. Muriel Isabel GAINSBOROUGH was born 12 August, 1895 at 134, Court Hill Road, Lewisham, the fourth of six children of John Thomas GAINSBOROUGH and Florence Katherine nee LYCETT, who married in 1888 at Islington. Muriel, together with her parents and five siblings, appears on the 1911 Census living at 47, Thornford Road, Lewisham. I've searched the marriages and deaths indexes, using all sorts of combinations, but have been unable to find her since 1911. Will anyone on the list have better luck? Peter

Frederick Chapman according to the documents we have in Australia came from Appleford Berkshire, but he had been a cheesemonger in London from at least 1823 to his departure in 1840. On his marriage to Sarah Sophia Berry at St George's Bloomsbury in 1839 he was living at 6 Grey's Inn Lane. He was over 40 when he married! Is it possible he had relations in London? Was he married before? We think his parents were John and Mary Rivers or Ann. Alfred Johnson born London around 1829, parents John Johnson and Catherine Ronan who we think were married at St Pauls Shadwell in 1811, left London (we think) he said his Father was an Excise Officer/Customs Officer but investigations at Kew of all the John Johnsons there seem to rule them all out. He seemed to turn up at a Boys home in Bristol on 1841 Census never to be heard from again until he married in Castlemaine Victoria in 1857. We have been looking since 1985.

Hi My brickwall is Caroline Ann GIDLEY. She married John James BREWER 20 Aug 1826, Old Church, Saint Pancras, London. A witness was Robert Pyne GIDLEY, presumably her father, grandfather, brother or uncle. They appear on the 1841 census (HO 107/665/13) in Islington. This indicates that Caroline was not born in this county. She had died before the '51 census. So far, I have been unable to locate either her birth/christening details, or a death certificate. Any ideas received with thanks. Lyn Wolf Australia

Hi Martin? On his marriage certificate it states he is a bachelor, that does not prove he was of course His father is given as John CHAPMAN a Farmer Unfortunately there are no Frederick CHAPMANs baptised at Appleford in the period There are two CHAPMAN baptisms, and to a John & Mary 21st Mar 1801 George CHAPMAN son of John & Mary (LONG?) & 1st July 1801 James CHAPMAN son of John & Mary (LONG?) There are also burials for a Henry b1805 d1808 and a James b1783 d1801 in Appleford Nothing on your other JOHNSON enquiry Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Frederick Chapman according to the documents we have in Australia came from > Appleford Berkshire, but he had been a cheesemonger in London from at least > 1823 to his departure in 1840. On his marriage to Sarah Sophia Berry at St > George's Bloomsbury in 1839 he was living at 6 Grey's Inn Lane. He was > over 40 when he married! Is it possible he had relations in London? Was he > married before? > We think his parents were John and Mary Rivers or Ann. > > Alfred Johnson born London around 1829, parents John Johnson and Catherine Ronan who we think were > married at St Pauls Shadwell in 1811, left > London (we think) he said his Father was an Excise Officer/Customs Officer but investigations at > Kew of all the John Johnsons there seem to rule them all out. > > He seemed to turn up at a Boys home in Bristol on 1841 Census never to be heard from again until > he married in Castlemaine Victoria in 1857. We have been looking since 1985.

Hi All I have a brick wall with John Dingwall.born about 1771 He died 1843 Baltic Street St. Lukes. He married Prudence Brittle/Brettel 18081 3 children were born up to 1834 in St. Lukes Baltic Street is missing from 1841 census Would love to find where John Dingwall came from. Anyone have him in their Tree????Please Eve (Canada now)

Can someone help me locate the burial of the above Jacob SMITH? He lived at 98 Mount Street, St. George Hanover Square after 1798 and before 1839. His wife, Honour (STEPHENS) SMITH is buried at All Souls Cemetery, Kensal Green, London - 11 September 1839. His son George SMITH is also buried at All Souls (1847). His other son, Jonah SMITH is buried at Norwood Cemetery, Lambeth (1866). Possible a daughter, Mary Elizabeth SMITH was buried at St. Dunstan Stepney 1800 (Ancestry.com). I have done a page by page search of All Souls on Ancestry.com (1833-1839) without success and have also looked for him on Findmypast.com and Ancestry.com anywhere in England. His son Jonah says he (Jonah) was born at Wootton, Oxfordshire (census records) but both he and his brother George were baptised at St. Mary Lambeth. Jacob and Honour were married in 1791 at Newington, St. Mary Southwark. Cannot locate him on the 1841 census. I have not been able to check London directories for him. Jonah was a hay and corn dealer; George was a dyer. -- Glenys www.quietacre.net

Lynda Many thanks for your excellent help, I will follow up your suggestions. Kay ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 09:09:16 +0100 From: Lynda Rooke <lyndarooke123@hotmail.co.uk> Subject: Re: [LON] brick wall HAYNES To: <london@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <SNT126-W27B9BA778D71936F1311BFA0EF0@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Carol, There is a marriage between Elizabeth Haynes and William Fullbrook 21 June 1857 at St James' Church Shoreditch. This must be the Elizabeth who witnessed Charles Haynes' marriage. Her father is shown as Thomas Haynes and his occupation is general dealer. I have also found a possible marriage for Robert Haynes. If the marriage is correct, then then age is out by 10 years. However, it shows Robert as a cattle dealer and it shows his father as Thomas Haynes deceased. The marriage took place 21 Dec 1872 at St Andrew's Church Islington. It might be worthwhile looking for this couple on the 1881 census to see whether birth dates match up. Lynda> From: lyndarooke123@hotmail.co.uk > To: london@rootsweb.com > Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 08:30:19 +0100 > Subject: [LON] brick wall Haynes > > > > > > Hi Carol, I think I may have found a marriage for Thomas' son Charles, b.1846 He married Ellen Breen at St James' Church Shoreditch 30 Nov 1869. Charles' occupation is shown as a Drover and his father is shown as Thomas, deceased and he was also a drover.One of the witnesses was Elizabeth Fulbrook. Could this be his sister's married name perhaps? Lynda

Hi Peter Hope this isn't a dumb suggestion - but could she have emigrated? -----Original Message----- From: london-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:london-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Peter Gainsborough Sent: Monday, 24 October, 2011 3:27 PM To: London@rootsweb.com Subject: [LON] Brickwall - Muriel Isabel GAINSBOROUGH Hello Listers, Having recently helped a couple of Listers with their Brickwalls, I'm hoping that someone can help me with mine. Muriel Isabel GAINSBOROUGH was born 12 August, 1895 at 134, Court Hill Road, Lewisham, the fourth of six children of John Thomas GAINSBOROUGH and Florence Katherine nee LYCETT, who married in 1888 at Islington. Muriel, together with her parents and five siblings, appears on the 1911 Census living at 47, Thornford Road, Lewisham. I've searched the marriages and deaths indexes, using all sorts of combinations, but have been unable to find her since 1911. Will anyone on the list have better luck? Peter ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ This mailing list works in parallel with the London surname interest list on the web at http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/london.html . Check for matching interests and add your own ! Any problems, please contact the List Admin: LONDON-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LONDON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1834 / Virus Database: 2092/4571 - Release Date: 10/24/11

Brian, >From what you say I'm not entirely sure which institution the children attended, but it may have been the Poplar Training School at Hutton, Brentwood. This was not a sponsored orphanage as such, but a poor law institution run by the Poplar Board of Guardians. Information and pictures are here. http://www.workhouses.org.uk/Poplar/#Post-1834 (halfway down the page) The A&D records are at London Metropolitan Archives, which has a research service. www.lma.gov.uk The records of this institution are not included in Ancestry's online collection of London poor law records, as far as I can see. HTH Judy London, UK -----Original Message----- From: london-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:london-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of wilsbri@bigpond.com My grandmother Jessie Sarah WILSON (nee SMITH) died in 1916 in Poplar leaving a bunch of abandoned children some of whom, I recently discovered, finished up at the Poplars Schools at Brentwood in Essex which I understand was an sponsored orphanage. I've found a general website for the schools but I'm having difficulty finding any records of admissions or discharges. Does A.K.S. have any information about this institution around 1916 and more importantly can anybody point me in the right direction to verifying which of the children might actually have been admitted. Kind regards Brian Wilson - Adelaide South Australia