Hello all As interesting as it may be for some, DNA and its pros and cons is not for discussion on the London List. There are quite a few DNA mailing lists on Rootsweb, which specialise in the subject :)) Thanks for your co-operation in this matter Regards Lin List Admin London

Hi Mike/All The use of yDNA testing for it's own sake can be pretty meaningless, and I would never recommend it's use in isolation as a genealogical tool. Where it does come into it's own is to augment missing paper based evidence. It can be extremely useful if there is circumstantial evidence suggesting that two lines are related, but there is no surviving paper record (ie: missing baptism records). It does of course require a (reliable) direct male line to a living male descendant in each branch who are both willing to be tested. The caveat here is the same with paper based records and with DNA testing, and has always been the case. Undiscovered extra-marital liasons by wives which result in a pregnancy render the subsequent entries in the family tree false. When I look at how many married couples I have in my own tree, I cannot believe for one minute that all the wives were 100% faithful to their husbands, any more than I could hold the converse to be true. ;-) All the best Dave Dixon BA (hons) - Economic & Social History - University of Kent - Canterbury 1997 www.fadedgenes.co.uk > DNA as a research tool, is next to useless for genealogical purposes. [Just my > personal opinion] >

Joseph Barber Brooks was born 3 September 1808, sixth child of Elizabeth (nee Gifford) and Robert Brooks who had married in St Leonards, Shoreditch, London, 20 July 1794. He married Harriet Elizabeth France in St George's, Hanover Square, 23 October 1830. Both of the parish, married by Banns. Harriet was a daughter of Sarah (nee Puckeridge) and Robert France. Joseph was a frame maker and a carver and guilder. In 1841 Harriett is age 36 with their son William age 11 and her parents Robert, picture frame maker, age 69, Sarah age 62, in 24 Denmark Street, St Giles in the Fields. In 1851 she is a widow. Harriet died 4 December 1873. Other than the following, nothing else can be found about Joseph: >From The London Gazette 29 November 1833: THE COURT FOR RELIEF OF INSOLVENT DEBTORS. The Matters of the PETITIONS and SCHEDULES of the PRISONERS hereafter named (the same having been filed in the Court) are appointed to be heard at the Court House, in Portugal Street, Lincoln's-Inn-Fields, on Monday the 23rd day of December 1833, at Nine o'Clock in the Forenoon. Brooks, Joseph Barber (sued by the name of Joseph B. Brooks), formerly of Denmark Street, Soho, Apprentice to a Looking Glass-Maker, then of Wardour Street, Soho, then of No. 139 High Holborn, all in Middlesex, then of Silver Street, Lincoln, Lincolnshire, and late of No. 24 Anderson's Buildings, City Road Middlesex aforesaid, Carver and Gilder, and Picture Frame, and Looking-Glass Manufacturer. >From The Morning Post (London, England), Tuesday, February 11, 1834, his case in the Insolvent Debtors' Court in Portugal Street was held over until the following day. >From The Morning Chronicle (London, England), Tuesday, February 11, 1834; Issue 20113, Law Sittings, Insolvent Debtors' Court, Portugal Street, "Opposed Cases from Yesterday" included Joseph Barber Brooks. It would be lovely to know anything more about him. Thank you. Joy

My Brickwall is a Samuel Wing born circe 1714. He was apprenticed as a waterman & lighterman on the River Thames , 3rd October 1729 and was free 3rd February 1735. He married a Sarah, all his 8 children appear in the IGI all baptised at St Andrew by the Wardrobe, Holborn. A search of parish registers of St Andren and nearby churches has proved fruitless. Any suggestions greatley appreciated The records of the Company of Waterman and Lightermen shed no light either. Regards Timothy Wing

According to the Ancestry baptisms a James & Harriet Robertson had two daughters baptised in Islington in 1835 & 1836 Jane Sarah Robertson 19 Jun 1836 James Robertson, Harriet Robertson Islington St Mary Islington d Harriet Emma Robertson 3 May 1835 James Robertson, Harriet Robertson Islington St Mary Islington They lived in Field Place Islington and James was a bookbinder There was also a Charles Robertson baptised in Ealing in 1841 son of James & Harriet. This James was a Labourer. Name: Charles Robertson Record Type: Baptism Estimated Birth Date: abt 1840 Baptism Date: 2 Nov 1840 Father's Name: James Robertson Mother's Name: Harriet Robertson Parish or Poor Law Union: Norwood Green St Mary the Virgin Borough: Ealing Have you tried looking for him & his supposed parents in censuses? Name: Walter Robertson Age: 10 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841 Gender: M (Male) Where born: Pancras, Middlesex, England Civil parish: St Pancras County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Street Address: Registration district: Pancras Sub-registration district: Somers Town ED, institution, or vessel: 7 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 322 Piece: 1496 Folio: 314 Page Number: 80 Household Members: Name Age Walter Robertson 39 Lucy Robertson 40 Jane Robertson 17 Ann Robertson 15 Walter Robertson 10 James Robertson 7 Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1496; Folio: 314; Page: 80; GSU roll: 87828-87829. HTH Anne On 26 Oct 2011, at 11:41, Robyn Clarke wrote: > Hello List, > > My brick wall is really stuck. I am helping a friend with online research > as I live in Australia. > > I have searched the websites, both free and subscription ones to try and > find the Birth or Baptism entry for this person without success. > > I am hoping that someone on this great List may be able to help me find the > following Birth. > > Here is the Index: > > BENJAMIN WALTER ROBERTSON June Quarter 1842 District London Vol. 2 Page 186. > > There are no other Index entries for a person of this name. > > My man is later called WALTER ROBERTSON, he states in a Military Record that > he was born in Parish of St. Anne Blackfriars Middlesex. > His parents should be James and Harriet Robertson, but I can't be sure. At > least finding this entry may help my cause. > > As I am not familiar with the various Parishes and Districts I am hoping the > above information may help in finding a Church record. > > My last resort is having to buy the above Certificate, but as I am just > helping here, my hope is someone may be able to help me. > > TIA, > > Robyn Clarke > Australia > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > This mailing list works in parallel with the London surname interest list on the web at http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/london.html . Check for matching interests and add your own ! > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: LONDON-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LONDON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Could someone please tell me which county or Bourough Twickenham was located in during the 1700's as my ancestors married in Twickenham in 1756 and would like to find out which county this was in so I can follow up on my research. Thank you. Lori

Hi Roger There is a Charles Chaiston MORTIMER registered in Shoreditch on Q1 1852. Not quite Bow, but close. Although this is a little earlier than you were expecting, it does chime quite well with the 10 year old Charles Mortimer, born London, in the Ipswich Workhouse in 1861. This lad might well be the same one as the apprentice fisherman in Lowestoft in 1871 (the apprenticeship having, perhaps, been arranged by the Ipswich Guardians). Just a thought! Caroline > > My g.grandfather Charles Mortimer gives his date of birth in the family > bible as 5th February 1855, though this replaces an earlier crossed > through date of 1854. > In the early census returns he gives his place of birth as Ipswich, > though this is later replaced with "Bow" then part of Poplar.On his > 1875 marriage certificate he gives his father as Charles > Mortimer(dec'd) > In the later 1891 census he adds the middle name of "Chaston" > > Family oral tradition has it that he visited Somerset House and > established his parental line and the fact that he had a brother, but > my enquiries of Tower Hamlets , the current Registration area which > includes the old parish of Bow have drawn a blank. > > Any suggestions and help gratefully received. > > Many thanks > > Roger M Evans

On 2011/10/26 01:04, Edie wrote: > If all else fails you could try one of your Gould male lines for a ydna test > Jackie. You never know. That pre-supposes that she has identified a 'live' descendent of the male line in question that can be used as The Reference. Usually we don't have that luxury. We do genealogy in order to find these unknowns. Working backwards to find the ancestors and then forwards to find the distant relations. DNA as a research tool, is next to useless for genealogical purposes. [Just my personal opinion] -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg

If all else fails you could try one of your Gould male lines for a ydna test Jackie. You never know. Edie ----- Original Message ----- From: "JACKIE HENDERSON" <jackie.henderson@virgin.net> To: <LONDON@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 4:30 AM Subject: [LON] BRICK WALL : GOULD >I have an ongoing brick wall with my maternal family tree due to the number > of Goulds in London! I would be grateful for some help in unravelling this > tangled web. Thank you. > My mother's father was JOHN GOULD - born 1881; he married Ellen Finney in > 1903. On that Marriage Cert I have his father's name : CHARLES GOULD > (dec'd) born in 1853 - he marries Sophia Wells in 1876. From that Marriage > Cert, Charles's father was William GOULD. I cannot find a birth for him > the > problem being that there are so many William Goulds who fit the bill. I > know > he married Jane Napper in 1847 at St Leonards, Shoreditch. Could he be > William - born in Lambeth, or Brixton or Southwark etc.. There are so > many. > Any help gratefully received. > Thank you > Jackie > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > This mailing list works in parallel with the London surname interest list > on the web at http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/london.html . Check for > matching interests and add your own ! > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: LONDON-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LONDON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

My g.grandfather Charles Mortimer gives his date of birth in the family bible as 5th February 1855, though this replaces an earlier crossed through date of 1854. In the early census returns he gives his place of birth as Ipswich, though this is later replaced with "Bow" then part of Poplar.On his 1875 marriage certificate he gives his father as Charles Mortimer(dec'd) In the later 1891 census he adds the middle name of "Chaston" Family oral tradition has it that he visited Somerset House and established his parental line and the fact that he had a brother, but my enquiries of Tower Hamlets , the current Registration area which includes the old parish of Bow have drawn a blank. Any suggestions and help gratefully received. Many thanks Roger M Evans

Hi Chris They married at St James Clerkenwell Islington July 25th 1841 William PRICE of full age bachelor Dyer 17 White Lion Street father Daniel PRICE Carpenter Catherine COLLINS of full age spinster -- 17 White Lion Street father Cornelius John COLLINS Bricklayer Both made their mark X Witnesses James KELLY & Mary Ann KEEF? (or KEELY?) In 1851 the children are :- William 1842 Cripplegate Johanna 1845 St Lukes? Charlotte 1846 St Lukes? Alfred 1848 Cripplegate Lucy 1850 Clerkenwell The baptism Dec 4th 1853 at St Dunstan & All Saints Stepney for John Robert son of William & Catherine PRICE shows the father was a Joiner , abode 18 Exmouth Street There are also baptisms on the 20th Sep 1854 for Cornelius William born Jun 20 1842 Johannah born Sep 12 1843 Charlotte born Feb 9 1846 Alfred born Aug 6 1848 father a Carpenter 3 Salisbury Place I know you have the baptisms and the 1851 but it helps to give a fuller picture If it wasn't for the occupation of the father of the groom I would be questioning if the marriage was for the right couple I struggled at first to find them in 1861 and heres why :-) 1861 England Census about Catherine Reynolds Name: Catherine Reynolds Age: 65 (35) Estimated Birth Year: abt 1796 (1826) Relation: Head Gender: Female Where born: Whitechapel, Middlesex, England Civil parish: St Luke Ecclesiastical parish: Charterhouse St Thomas County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Registration district: St Luke Sub-registration district: Whitecross Street ED, institution, or vessel: 11 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 44 Piece: 206 Folio: 98 Page Number: 7 Household Members: Name Age Catherine Reynolds 65 (widow) Leanna Reynolds 17 (Joanna) Allie Reynolds 12 (Alfred) John Reynolds 7 Robert Reynolds 5 RG9; Piece: 206; Folio: 98; Page: 7; GSU roll: 542591. The page is hard to read and the transcriber has used the name above the PRICE family , they also mangled two first names & Catherines age (I have entered corrections which will show in the index in a couple of weeks) It appears that William had died between Robert and 1861 Looking further A possible marriage for Johanna London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Johanna Price Name: Johanna Price Age: 20 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844 Spouse Name: Walter Burham (BURNHAM) Spouse Age: 20 Record Type: Marriage Marriage Date: 15 May 1864 Parish: St Dunstan and All Saints, Stepney County: Middlesex Borough: Tower Hamlets Father Name: William Price (Carpenter) Spouse Father Name: George Burham And them in 1871 1871 England Census about Walter Burnham Name: Walter Burnham Age: 26 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Johannah Burnham Gender: Male Where born: Bishopsgate Civil parish: Bethnal Green Ecclesiastical parish: St Barnabas County/Island: London Country: England Registration district: Bethnal Green Sub-registration district: Bethnal Green ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Household schedule number: 17 Piece: 483 Folio: 57 Page Number: 3 Household Members: Name Age Walter Burnham 26 Johannah Burnham 26 St Lukes Walter William Burnham 6 Charles Alfred Burnham 3 Johannah Burnham 2 William Burnham 9 Months RG10; Piece: 483; Folio: 57; Page: 3; GSU roll: 823372. Here is where we hit a slight snag :-( The rest of the family in 1871 1871 England Census about Catharine Price Name: Catharine Price Age: 44 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1827 Relation: Head Gender: Female Where born: St Andrews, Middlesex, England Civil parish: St Leonard Shoreditch Ecclesiastical parish: St Saviour Hoxton County/Island: London Country: England Registration district: Shoreditch Sub-registration district: Hoxton Old Town ED, institution, or vessel: 24 Household schedule number: 107 Piece: 460 Folio: 30 Page Number: 20 Household Members: Name Age Catharine Price 44 (widow) St Andrews Charlotte Price 23 dau St Lukes John Price 17 son St Andrews Robert Price 14 son Stepney Hannah Price 8 dau Stepney Hannah Price 26 visitor Botesdale Suffolk RG10; Piece: 460; Folio: 30; Page: 20; GSU roll: 823364. You will notice that John who you say married in 1870 in Australia is still at home ! (not to mention an 8 year old daughter when she was a widow for over ten years) So have you given the wrong year for his marriage? (17 seemed rather young for him to be marrying in Australia anyway) Or do you have the wrong family ? Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Would like to know more about a William PRICE and his wife CATHERINE > COLLINS. They married about 1841 in the Stepney area which is also where I > think they had their children, these being: > > Cornelius (born 1842) > Johannah (born 1843) > Charlotte (born 1846) > Alfred (born 1848) > John Robert (born 1853) > > 1851 census gives address of 64 Peartree Court, Clerkenwell (I have scan of > page) > > Other than the baptismal records for all five, I have not found any of them > anywhere, except for John when he married Minnie CALLAN in 1870 in Victoria, > Australia.

Hello List, I have another mystery in my family, regarding a son of Thomas GARLICK who's name was also Thomas. Thomas is listed as a son of Thomas and Jane GARLICK in the 1841 census # 23 Brunswick Place, St Mary's Islington, Middlesex. Thomas is aged 15 born in London. Thomas Jnr is not listed in the 1851 census with his family as he would have been about 25 yrs give or take a few years. We could not find a death for him. We don't think he went to Victoria, Australia with his brothers, William, Richard and Henry as every Australian document we have for these brothers only refers to 3 brothers. It is hard to find out if he married as there are so many Thomas GARLICK's in the area around that time. I am not sure how to find him in the 1851 census or what his occupation would have been. His father's and grandfathers occupation were Coffin Makers and Undertakers. His brother William was born in Bloomsbury and spent his life as a Solicitor His brothers Richard and Henry were miners. His sister was a Tobacconist. Any help would be wonderful. Thank you in advance. Regards Lori

Brian, To add to what Caroline has said ----- Original Message ----- From: "Caroline Bradford" > Hi Brian > > Molesey is not in London, and it doesn't strictly speaking exist as a place > in its own right (at least nowadays) - there is West Molesey and East > Molesey and they are in Surrey, on the river Thames between Sunbury and > Hampton Court. > > Walworth is a south London suburb, between Newington and Camberwell. > > The two are about 15 miles apart > > Hope this helps> > Caroline >> Hello All >> Can SKS tell me how far apart the above are situated in London, as I >> have a >> gfather born in either of these places. >> Regards Brian (in Birmingham UK) You will find on Ancestry's transcriptions of the censuses that there is no consistency in their spellings and of Molesey, Molesy, Moulsey, East Molesey, West Moulsey, etc, and IIRC on one occasion one of them is placed in Kent :-( I did raise this with them some years ago, but am not sure that they have got around to sorting it yet, so take care if using the place-name as a keyword or search term. Kind regards, John Henley

I have an ongoing brick wall with my maternal family tree due to the number of Goulds in London! I would be grateful for some help in unravelling this tangled web. Thank you. My mother's father was JOHN GOULD - born 1881; he married Ellen Finney in 1903. On that Marriage Cert I have his father's name : CHARLES GOULD (dec'd) born in 1853 - he marries Sophia Wells in 1876. From that Marriage Cert, Charles's father was William GOULD. I cannot find a birth for him the problem being that there are so many William Goulds who fit the bill. I know he married Jane Napper in 1847 at St Leonards, Shoreditch. Could he be William - born in Lambeth, or Brixton or Southwark etc.. There are so many. Any help gratefully received. Thank you Jackie

HI I am also sure about the first one being London Wall, second address is a little different, all the possibilities I have been given over the years have come up with nothing. William was born 1849 in Northumberland (I have birth certificate), and both the 1841, and 1851 census (have these as well) which his mother would have provided the information for say Northumberland. After leaving England, he himself gave place of birth as either being Yarmouth, Norfolk, or Lowestoft, Suffolk. His wife, Caroline is a different problem, I have approximate year of birth as 1850, supposedly in London, but have not been able to confirm this. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christine Benson" <christinebenson313@btinternet.com> To: "Chris Mahoney" <cmahoney@orcon.net.nz>; <LONDON@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 2:06 PM Subject: Re: [LON] Brickwall - HOWES > Hi Chris, > > I am pretty sure her address is 8, London Wall. It is very close to St. > Giles. His looks like 22, Leaner Street but I cannot find that on Google > maps but it may no longer be there or it says something different. I find > the occupation difficult to read but is it mariner? If so are they at sea? > I looked in the census for 1871 but without a definite date and place of > birth for William it is difficult. I did find a "one world tree" for > William which said 1849, Northumberland but I have previously found these > trees to contain more fiction than fact. I did try that info but only > briefly. > > Hope this helps, > > Christine > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Mahoney > Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 12:49 AM > To: LONDON@rootsweb.com > Subject: [LON] Brickwall - HOWES > > Hi > > I am trying to find one William HOWES, and his wife Caroline (nee TURNER) > on > the 1871 Census, and Caroline on anything earlier, but have had no success > in doing so. > > July 1871 for the birth of their son, the certificate gives an address of > 29 > Rushton Street in Hoxton Old Town of where the family were living. > > Their wedding certificate of September 1870 also gives some address's, but > these are not clear, wedding certificate can be viewed at: > http://www.chrismahoney.co.nz/Query.htm > > Note that although wedding certificate lists that Caroline's father is > Henry, I have heard a story (unconfirmed) that her parents are James > TURNER, > and Ann THOMAS. > > My main reason for wanting to find them on the 1871 census is to see what > it > says about the birth place for Caroline as I have nothing at all on her > prior to her marriage. > > William and Caroline left England in 1874, so will not appear on future > census's. Also have plenty on William's background so do not need > anything > on that. > > > Thanks > > > ================== > Visit my website at: > http://www.chrismahoney.co.nz/ > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > This mailing list works in parallel with the London surname interest list > on the web at http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/london.html . Check for > matching interests and add your own ! > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: LONDON-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LONDON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > >

Sue, According to the 1861 census (which I presume you have) at RG9; Piece: 344; Folio: 146; Page: 36; all his family continued to use the Yates name ( though some of them have it transcribed as Gates in this census) He married Mary Ann Cooper on 5 May 1845 at St Andrew Holborn, and says there his fathers name was also James Yates Grimwood ( though that may well have been a convenient fiction) Name: James Yates Grimwood Age: 21 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1824 Spouse Name: Mary Ann Cooper Spouse Age: 21 Record Type: Marriage Marriage Date: 05 May 1845 Parish: St Andrew Holborn County: London Borough: City of London Father Name: James Yates Grimwood Spouse Father Name: John Cooper. The marriage certificate says his father was a greengrocer, as he was and doesn't say he is deceased. The witnesses were John & Sarah Cooper - presumably Mary Ann's parents. I see the Baptism register entry states he is the Illegitimate son of Sarah Grimwood. In the 1841 census he is with a Mary Yates ( no relationships in that census unfortunately!) Could this be a grandmother? Could his mother be Sarah Yates and only pretended to be Sarah Grimwood to baptise her child with his father's surname? James Yates Greenwood [James Yates Grimwood] Age: 15 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826 Gender: Male Where born: Middlesex, England Civil parish: White Friars Precinct Hundred: London Without the Walls County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Street Address: Water Lane Registration district: London Sub-registration district: London South West Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 728 Book: 9 Folio: 7 Page Number: 7 Household Members: Name Age Mary Ann Yates 45 Susannah Marner 15 James Yates Greenwood 15 Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 728; Book: 9; Civil Parish: White Friars Precinct; County: Middlesex; Enumeration District: 12; Folio: 7; Page: 7; Line: 8; GSU roll: 438832. Anne On 25 Oct 2011, at 11:31, Sue wrote: > Hi, > My brick wall relates to a Yates family. > > My gt gt grandfather's name was James Yates Grimwood and his mother, we believe was Sarah Grimwood. Where the Yates came from we do not have any idea but James was born 24 May 1824 and christened on 25 Jan 1831 at St Andrew's Holborn. His mother is named as Sarah Grimwood and father unknown. > > As Grimwood is a very Suffolk name I am wondering if anyone can throw any light upon Sarah. > > I did have a message saying that there was a possibility that a Sarah found in 1841 census as a servant in Marylebone and born out of county may possibly be the mother. > > If anyone can help I would be grateful. > > Best wishes > > Sue in Suffolk > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > This mailing list works in parallel with the London surname interest list on the web at http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/london.html . Check for matching interests and add your own ! > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: LONDON-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LONDON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Anne Brickwall Charles Apps On navy record, born Walworth 19th April 1889,. But have been informed that there is a Wiliam Charles Apps born June Quarter 1889, Molesey. Marriage cert. 1915 states only Charles, his father states William Edward Apps, Hopswarehouseman, deceased. Regards Brian On 25 October 2011 15:12, Anne Peat <anne.peat@bigwindows.demon.co.uk>wrote: > Walworth & Molesey are quite a distance apart - about 16 miles. > Although they are both in Surrey, Walworth is in the centre of London south > of The Thames and Molesey is in the suburbs near Kingston & Esher. > > What do you mean by 'a grandfather born in either of these places'? > If you tell us what evidence you have, someone might help you to solve your > problem. > > Anne > On 25 Oct 2011, at 14:21, JUNE apps wrote: > > > Hello All > > Can SKS tell me how far apart the above are situated in London, as I have > a > > gfather born in either of these places. > > Regards Brian (in Birmingham UK) > >

Hi Brian Molesey is not in London, and it doesn't strictly speaking exist as a place in its own right (at least nowadays) - there is West Molesey and East Molesey and they are in Surrey, on the river Thames between Sunbury and Hampton Court. Walworth is a south London suburb, between Newington and Camberwell. The two are about 15 miles apart Hope this helps Caroline > > Hello All > Can SKS tell me how far apart the above are situated in London, as I > have a > gfather born in either of these places. > Regards Brian (in Birmingham UK)

Walworth & Molesey are quite a distance apart - about 16 miles. Although they are both in Surrey, Walworth is in the centre of London south of The Thames and Molesey is in the suburbs near Kingston & Esher. What do you mean by 'a grandfather born in either of these places'? If you tell us what evidence you have, someone might help you to solve your problem. Anne On 25 Oct 2011, at 14:21, JUNE apps wrote: > Hello All > Can SKS tell me how far apart the above are situated in London, as I have a > gfather born in either of these places. > Regards Brian (in Birmingham UK)

Hi All I have a Cummins Family who appear as Cummings in 1841 and Commings in 1851. They show as born Middlesex but no place. They are James Cummins a Bedstead Maker born abt. 1789 Middlesex and died 1856 Bethnal Green. Mary (Cronin) Born 1791 Middlesex died 1856 Shoreditch. They were married 1/6/1824 St. Giles without Cripplegate. They had 3 Children Ann Cordelia 1827 Middlesex. Louisa 1831 Middlesex and George 1834 Middlesex. 1841 and 1851 they are living at Winchester Place Bethnal Green.(St. Mats. District) My assumption is they are a Bethnal Green Family, but has anyone "seen" them to know if that is the case? and any sugestions on finding the birth/Baptisms for James and Mary please??? Ann Cordelia married Joseph Glibbery in 1851.They were also a Bethnal Green Family. Thanks Eve (Canada now)