A close look at the baptism entry suggests that the child is James Bandfield Aborch s/o Jno (John) and Saince Aborch Harry C Jacobs SUDBURY, ON, Canada On 11/06/11 06:45, Jill Human wrote: > I am hoping somebody can help me with an interpretation of handwriting! > James Randfield is recorded as being baptised on 17.03.1793 at St Nicholas, Deptford. > > I believe his parents were James Randfield and Saince Burroughs who were married on 20.12.1790 at Christchurch, Spitalfields. > > However on the original document of James junior's baptism the parents have been transcribed as 'Sborch' followed by ( what looks like) Labourer in the 'stowage'. Can someone with more experience than me fathom this one out? > > > The plot thickens! Saince Randfield married a John Marsh on 24.09.1792 at St Edmund King and Martyr, City of London (witnessed by her brother Robert Burroughs) and went on to have several more children ( one of which is called Burroughs Marsh). > > > On the original entry of that marriage she appears to be recorded as a spinster. Also I can find no death for the first husband or further mention of the son James. > > All help would be very gratefully received! > > Jill, Cumbria > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > This mailing list works in parallel with the London surname interest list on the web at http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/london.html . Check for matching interests and add your own ! > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: LONDON-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LONDON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Going back to my recent and obviously questionable (up for interpretation!) of his birth as Camp Shanks, in New York -- if he was born into the military, military families were often on the move so records were often scattered..... So perhaps consider that this was a military family ....? at least at one time. Have you tried the military records. Interesting to see if he was a US native or UK citizen.... eh? Marilyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robyn Clarke" <rsclarke@bigpond.com> To: "'Ron Lankshear'" <ronlank@yahoo.com.au> Cc: <LONDON@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2011 8:15 AM Subject: Re: [LON] 1901 Census Entry PASCALL > Hi Ron, > > As someone who has never been to England I've got no idea as to why he was > shown as born West Ham and Lincolnshire, except one opinion was that > perhaps > the child was registered somewhere other than where he was born...... > I have not bought any certificates for this family, as it is not mine, I'm > doing it all for a friend who is related to a later Pascall family member > and I have access to the various sites without naming names. > > I'm wondering why the family is not a unit in 1890 census just at the time > Alfred is born. Even if Edward was sailing off somewhere, one would have > thought Eugene should have been around........ > > Anyway, thank you for your thoughts and suggestions......For some strange > reason their Marriage which was registered Poplars, London 1887 is not in > the London Marriage Indexes, as that may have given me more > information.....for my current subscription. > > Cheers, > Robyn > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron Lankshear [mailto:ronlank@yahoo.com.au] > Sent: Sunday, 6 November 2011 11:40 PM > To: Robyn Clarke > Cc: LONDON@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [LON] 1901 Census Entry PASCALL > > It reads like Carmaphack, West Mane presumably West Maine hence a > statistician has written USA. > > But could it all be wrong in that the enumerator could not read the > writing > or get clarification and its something or other in West Ham??? > > I agree no sign of in 1891 or Edward in any other census including > USA....... > > Also why is Alfred shown as born Lincolnshire and yet registered in West > Ham..... > > Have you seen the boys birth certificates do they add anything and the > marriage any witnesses that might be related to Edward? > > Ron Lankshear -Sydney NSW (from London-Shepherds > Bush/Chiswick) > try my links > http://freepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lankshear/ > > On 2011-11-06 4:17 PM, Robyn Clarke wrote: >> He was found in 1901 with wife, EUGENIE PASCALL nee RENOUF born >> Jersey, at >> 70 Lawrence Ave., East Ham, Living on own means and stating born >> Car..................USA. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > This mailing list works in parallel with the London surname interest list > on the web at http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/london.html . Check for > matching interests and add your own ! > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: LONDON-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LONDON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

I am searching for the above who apparently was born about 1757 in Middlesex. Any information would be much appreciated. Thanks, Alan

Hi Glenys, ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenys Rasmussen" <glenealogist@gmail.com> >I have just read on Google that Kensal Green Cemetery opened in 1833. > > I am trying to find the burial/death of Jacob SMITH who died prior to > 1833. He lived at 98 Mount Street, St. George Hanover Square. His wife, > Honour SMITH was buried at All Souls Cemetery, Kensal Green in 1839, and > his son George SMITH was buried there in 1847. > > How do I discover what other cemeteries existed in the area before 1833 and > did All Souls take over from one of them? I know SMITH is like a needle in > the proverbial haystack, but must try.> > Thank you.> > Glenys In 1833, IIRC, St.George's [new - cough cough!] Burial Ground was still functioning on the Bayswater Road - I suspect the registers should be now with Westminster City Archives - Google for "Westminster City Archives" and if they have not got any finding aids, lists of holdings online, there will be an email address for enquiries. Or their holdings should be listed at A2A, use Westminster City Archives as the repository. You might also check with Kensal Green to see who else is in that grave, or if any tombstone records Jacob's name - even if not buried there - "Honour, who died...1839,beloved widow of the late Jacob Smith who died..." or some such if you are lucky. Kind regards, John Henley.

Thanks to all who responded to my query re Kensal Green All Souls Cemetery. I now know that the cemetery for St. George Hanover Square was actually on Mount Street, where my Smith's lived and another was Bayswater. Now, I have found my Jonah SMITH (he's not the Corn Merchant with wife Elizabeth VAIL). Instead he was a dyer who lived at 5 Crombies-row, Commercial Road in London. So, both Jonah and his brother George were dyers. George left a will, which although lengthy gives me no further information than what I already had on him. So far nothing for Jonah and too many for Jacob at the moment (saving up). I cannot help but wonder if Jacob SMITH was a dyer as well. I have searched the 1808 London Pocket directory, the 1819 London directory and the 1825-6 Pigot's Directory of London and have found George and Jonah in the Pigot's. Jacob does not appear in any of them. Could I ask if someone could check for Jacob SMITH in any London directories they have available to them before 1841? I would also appreciate any sightings of Jonah SMITH, dyer, too. I cannot locate Jonah on the 1841 census. I do have George. Thank you! -- Glenys www.quietacre.net

Hi Nivard: Thanks for responding. Yes, Honour is the 80 year old. She was Honour STEPHENS birthdate, parents and place unknown. As for Jonah, I thought he was ours and have done for almost a year until a Rootschat lister searched Wootton, Oxfordshire PRs for me and he was indeed born in 1785 but to a John and of course, my Jacob and Honour were married in 1791and in London. So I have had to undo all my work on that Jonah. Jacob and Honour do have a Jonah baptised in St. Mary Lambeth in 1793, but I don't know anymore about him at this point.\ I do not have a fix on the address before the death of Honour - I need a check of London directories to see where Jacob was between 1794 and 1833. Son George was there in 1841, still trying to find a will for Jacob but not having much success. Would have thought George left one as well, he was apparently quite well off, but lacking there as well. I have scrutinized Ancestry.com - but, well, SMITH can be a bit daunting and I'm not finding a thing. Again, thanks for your help - perhaps a churchyard will hold some answers. Regards, Glenys -- Glenys wrote: I have just read on Google that Kensal Green Cemetery opened in 1833. I am trying to find the burial/death of Jacob SMITH who died prior to 1833. He lived at 98 Mount Street, St. George Hanover Square. His wife, Honour SMITH was buried at All Souls Cemetery, Kensal Green in 1839, and his son George SMITH was buried there in 1847. How do I discover what other cemeteries existed in the area before 1833 and did All Souls take over from one of them? I know SMITH is like a needle in the proverbial haystack, but must try. Thank you. Glenys www.quietacre.net

Anne: Thank you!! I am particularly intrigued by the 1817 Chelsea St. Luke one and the 1818 of the same place. Will take a closer look. Why on earth can I not find these on Ancestry.com myself?? I search and search and have come up with a couple on the list below, but not these earlier ones. It's obvious my search skills are lacking. I have identified the Edmonton Smith's and they do not appear to be mine, so there's one down! I will go through the rest to see what comes of them. I do appreciate your time and help, very much. Glenys On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 4:14 AM, Anne Peat <anne.peat@bigwindows.demon.co.uk>wrote: > The London Burials on Ancestry have several that might fit the bill: > View Record Jacob Smith abt 1741 7 Sep 1817 Chelsea St Luke Kensington and > Chelsea > Burial View Record Thomas Jackman Smith abt 1748 16 Apr 1826 Edmonton All > Saints Enfield > Burial View Record Jacob Smith abt 1752 12 Jul 1818 Chelsea St Luke > Kensington and Chelsea > Burial View Record Jacob Smith abt 1755 1 Aug 1813 Bermondsey St Olave > Southwark > Burial View Record Jacob Smith abt 1763 4 Sep 1830 Piccadilly St James > Westminster > Burial View Record Jacob Smith abt 1776 25 Apr 1828 Lambeth St Mary Lambeth > Burial View Record Jacob Smith abt 1777 27 Apr 1824 Poplar All Saints > Tower Hamlets > Burial View Record John Jacob Schmidt abt 1771 27 Jan 1822 Whitechapel St > Mary Tower Hamlets > > Anne > On 4 Nov 2011, at 17:48, Glenys Rasmussen wrote: > > > I have just read on Google that Kensal Green Cemetery opened in 1833. > > > > I am trying to find the burial/death of Jacob SMITH who died prior to > > 1833. He lived at 98 Mount Street, St. George Hanover Square. His wife, > > Honour SMITH was buried at All Souls Cemetery, Kensal Green in 1839, and > > his son George SMITH was buried there in 1847. > > > > How do I discover what other cemeteries existed in the area before 1833 > and > > did All Souls take over from one of them? I know SMITH is like a needle > in > > the proverbial haystack, but must try. > > > > Thank you. > > > > Glenys > > > > > > -- Glenys www.quietacre.net

The London Burials on Ancestry have several that might fit the bill: View Record Jacob Smith abt 1741 7 Sep 1817 Chelsea St Luke Kensington and Chelsea Burial View Record Thomas Jackman Smith abt 1748 16 Apr 1826 Edmonton All Saints Enfield Burial View Record Jacob Smith abt 1752 12 Jul 1818 Chelsea St Luke Kensington and Chelsea Burial View Record Jacob Smith abt 1755 1 Aug 1813 Bermondsey St Olave Southwark Burial View Record Jacob Smith abt 1763 4 Sep 1830 Piccadilly St James Westminster Burial View Record Jacob Smith abt 1776 25 Apr 1828 Lambeth St Mary Lambeth Burial View Record Jacob Smith abt 1777 27 Apr 1824 Poplar All Saints Tower Hamlets Burial View Record John Jacob Schmidt abt 1771 27 Jan 1822 Whitechapel St Mary Tower Hamlets Anne On 4 Nov 2011, at 17:48, Glenys Rasmussen wrote: > I have just read on Google that Kensal Green Cemetery opened in 1833. > > I am trying to find the burial/death of Jacob SMITH who died prior to > 1833. He lived at 98 Mount Street, St. George Hanover Square. His wife, > Honour SMITH was buried at All Souls Cemetery, Kensal Green in 1839, and > his son George SMITH was buried there in 1847. > > How do I discover what other cemeteries existed in the area before 1833 and > did All Souls take over from one of them? I know SMITH is like a needle in > the proverbial haystack, but must try. > > Thank you. > > Glenys > >

Hi Glenys I take it Honour was the 80 year old who died in 1839 So assuming they were roughly the same age or he was older as was more often the case, he would be born around 1755ish Have you checked those burials on Ancestry ? Unfortunately neither the marriage or baptisms of his children mention an address Do you have any fix on the address before Honour died there in 1839? Is Jonah the brother who marries in 1816? not that it helps as again no address Could your Jacob have left a will perhaps ? Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) >I have just read on Google that Kensal Green Cemetery opened in 1833. > > I am trying to find the burial/death of Jacob SMITH who died prior to > 1833. He lived at 98 Mount Street, St. George Hanover Square. His wife, > Honour SMITH was buried at All Souls Cemetery, Kensal Green in 1839, and > his son George SMITH was buried there in 1847. > > How do I discover what other cemeteries existed in the area before 1833 and > did All Souls take over from one of them? I know SMITH is like a needle in > the proverbial haystack, but must try. > > Thank you. > > Glenys

Please update your e-mail address book. My e-mail address is now: johnbrianmoore1934@gmail.com Regards, John Moore

Thank you for all the information you sent. Need the vol and page and not able to find that Pat Canada

Curiouser and curiouser. Could the Polly in 1891 be the same child as the Mary in 1901? ( Polly is a nickname for Mary). But the family don't seem to be very sure about when and where she was born :-(( Anne On 4 Nov 2011, at 16:18, Jan Rockett wrote: > 1891 Census, showing an illegitamate son, John Cook!! > > CONNOLLY, John Head Married M 27 1864 Sweep > Hammersmith > London VIEW > CONNOLLY, Caroline Wife Married F 29 1862 > Hammersmith > London VIEW > CONNOLLY, John Father Married M 79 1812 Bricklayers > Labourer > Henley on Thames > Oxfordshire VIEW > CONNOLLY, Polly Daughter F 3 1888 > Fulham > > COOK, John Son Illeg M 5 1886 > Fulham > > From: Judy Lester > > > This could be the family in 1901 > > 1901 census > RG13/56 folio 120 page 31 > Reg. District: Fulham > Sub District: North-West Fulham > Parish: Fulham > Enum. District: 20 > Ecclesiastical District: St Clement > Address: 2, Claybrooke Road, Fulham > County: London > CONNOLLEY, John Head Married M 41 1860 > Chimney Sweep Fulham > CONNOLLEY, Caroline Wife Married F 35 1866 > Laundry Ironer Notting Hill > ***CONNOLLEY, Mary Daughter Single F 16 1885 > Laundry Ironer Plumstead*** > CONNOLLEY, John Son Single M 14 1887 Chemists > Boy Chelsea > > This could be the marriage of John and Caroline: > Mar Qtr 1886 > CONNOLLY John Kensington 1a 288 > COOK Caroline Kensington 1a 288 > > >> I am looking for my Grandmother's birth record. According to the 1911 > census she was born in >> plumstead infirmary. Her birth year is 1884. Her name was Mary > Connolly, that is what shows on her >> marriage certificate, Her Father was John and was a sweep. >> Thank you >> Pat from Canada >

Hi List, Once again, I’m after some help with London poor law institutions in the early 1900’s. After the death of their mother in 1916 and abandoned by their father, the children were eventually sent to Poplars Training Schools at Brentwood. However some notes left by an old aunt describe first going to Langley House which appears to be a different institution. Can AKS help with any information about this institution. Regards Brian Wilson – Adelaide, South Australia ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 7.0.0.26, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.18650) http://www.pctools.com/ =======

1891 Census, showing an illegitamate son, John Cook!! CONNOLLY, John Head Married M 27 1864 Sweep Hammersmith London VIEW CONNOLLY, Caroline Wife Married F 29 1862 Hammersmith London VIEW CONNOLLY, John Father Married M 79 1812 Bricklayers Labourer Henley on Thames Oxfordshire VIEW CONNOLLY, Polly Daughter F 3 1888 Fulham London VIEW CONNOLLY, Charles Son M 0 (9M) 1891 Fulham London VIEW CONNOLLY, Harry Brother Single M 26 1865 Labourer Hammersmith London VIEW COOK, John Son Illeg M 5 1886 Fulham London VIEW Piece: 47 Folio: 147 Page: 60 Registration District: Fulham Civil Parish: Fulham Municipal Borough: Address: 26, Lurgan Avenue, Fulham County: London There is also a Mary A Cooke as an inmate in Nazareth House, Hammersmith. Her place of birth is London, Middlesex. This was listed as a home for the abandoned amongst others. There is a Mary Cook living with her grandparents at Mile End, being born Lambeth. Jan Jan -----Original Message----- From: Judy Lester Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 3:44 PM To: 'pat & phil' ; london@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LON] Infirmary This could be the family in 1901 1901 census RG13/56 folio 120 page 31 Reg. District: Fulham Sub District: North-West Fulham Parish: Fulham Enum. District: 20 Ecclesiastical District: St Clement Address: 2, Claybrooke Road, Fulham County: London CONNOLLEY, John Head Married M 41 1860 Chimney Sweep Fulham CONNOLLEY, Caroline Wife Married F 35 1866 Laundry Ironer Notting Hill ***CONNOLLEY, Mary Daughter Single F 16 1885 Laundry Ironer Plumstead*** CONNOLLEY, John Son Single M 14 1887 Chemists Boy Chelsea CONNOLLEY, Harry Son Single M 10 1891 Fulham CONNOLLEY, Henry Son Single M 8 1893 Fulham CONNOLLEY, Buster Son Single M 5 1896 Fulham CONNOLLEY, Florry Daughter Single F 3 1898 Fulham COOK, Caroline Mother-In-Law Married F 63 1838 Henley Oxfordshire COOK, John Father-In-Law Married M 83 1818 Henley Oxfordshire This could be the marriage of John and Caroline: Mar Qtr 1886 CONNOLLY John Kensington 1a 288 COOK Caroline Kensington 1a 288 In which case, Mary born c1885 might have been registered under her mother's former name of COOK. That said, I still can't see a registration in the right area for 1884-1886, but perhaps someone else can? HTH Judy London, UK -----Original Message----- From: london-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:london-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nivard Ovington Sent: 04 November 2011 13:48 To: pat & phil; london@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LON] Infirmary Hi Pat If her birth was as stated it should be registered in Woolwich but I don't see one 1883 to 1885 Neither do I find her in 1911 , was she married by then? Can you give the 1911 census reference and any other census year references if you have them Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) >I am looking for my Grandmother's birth record. According to the 1911 census she was born in >plumstead infirmary. Her birth year is 1884. Her name was Mary Connolly, that is what shows on her >marriage certificate, Her Father was John and was a sweep. > Thank you > Pat from Canada ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ This mailing list works in parallel with the London surname interest list on the web at http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/london.html . Check for matching interests and add your own ! Any problems, please contact the List Admin: LONDON-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LONDON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This could be the family in 1901 1901 census RG13/56 folio 120 page 31 Reg. District: Fulham Sub District: North-West Fulham Parish: Fulham Enum. District: 20 Ecclesiastical District: St Clement Address: 2, Claybrooke Road, Fulham County: London CONNOLLEY, John Head Married M 41 1860 Chimney Sweep Fulham CONNOLLEY, Caroline Wife Married F 35 1866 Laundry Ironer Notting Hill ***CONNOLLEY, Mary Daughter Single F 16 1885 Laundry Ironer Plumstead*** CONNOLLEY, John Son Single M 14 1887 Chemists Boy Chelsea CONNOLLEY, Harry Son Single M 10 1891 Fulham CONNOLLEY, Henry Son Single M 8 1893 Fulham CONNOLLEY, Buster Son Single M 5 1896 Fulham CONNOLLEY, Florry Daughter Single F 3 1898 Fulham COOK, Caroline Mother-In-Law Married F 63 1838 Henley Oxfordshire COOK, John Father-In-Law Married M 83 1818 Henley Oxfordshire This could be the marriage of John and Caroline: Mar Qtr 1886 CONNOLLY John Kensington 1a 288 COOK Caroline Kensington 1a 288 In which case, Mary born c1885 might have been registered under her mother's former name of COOK. That said, I still can't see a registration in the right area for 1884-1886, but perhaps someone else can? HTH Judy London, UK -----Original Message----- From: london-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:london-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nivard Ovington Sent: 04 November 2011 13:48 To: pat & phil; london@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LON] Infirmary Hi Pat If her birth was as stated it should be registered in Woolwich but I don't see one 1883 to 1885 Neither do I find her in 1911 , was she married by then? Can you give the 1911 census reference and any other census year references if you have them Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) >I am looking for my Grandmother's birth record. According to the 1911 census she was born in >plumstead infirmary. Her birth year is 1884. Her name was Mary Connolly, that is what shows on her >marriage certificate, Her Father was John and was a sweep. > Thank you > Pat from Canada

Dear Pat, As you may already have found there was no female Connolly registered in 1884 in the Woolwich registration district which was where Plumstead infirmary births would have been registered. Do you have any other confirmation that her father's name is John - that she was with him on previous censuses? How certain are you of the year of birth? Could you give us any more information to help trace her? Anne On 4 Nov 2011, at 13:21, pat & phil wrote: > I am looking for my Grandmother's birth record. According to the 1911 census she was born in plumstead infirmary. Her birth year is 1884. Her name was Mary Connolly, that is what shows on her marriage certificate, Her Father was John and was a sweep. > Thank you > Pat from Canada

Hi Pat If her birth was as stated it should be registered in Woolwich but I don't see one 1883 to 1885 Neither do I find her in 1911 , was she married by then? Can you give the 1911 census reference and any other census year references if you have them Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) >I am looking for my Grandmother's birth record. According to the 1911 census she was born in >plumstead infirmary. Her birth year is 1884. Her name was Mary Connolly, that is what shows on her >marriage certificate, Her Father was John and was a sweep. > Thank you > Pat from Canada

I have just read on Google that Kensal Green Cemetery opened in 1833. I am trying to find the burial/death of Jacob SMITH who died prior to 1833. He lived at 98 Mount Street, St. George Hanover Square. His wife, Honour SMITH was buried at All Souls Cemetery, Kensal Green in 1839, and his son George SMITH was buried there in 1847. How do I discover what other cemeteries existed in the area before 1833 and did All Souls take over from one of them? I know SMITH is like a needle in the proverbial haystack, but must try. Thank you. Glenys -- Glenys www.quietacre.net

Brian, Langley House was the receiving home for Poplar, where children were first placed before being sent to other institutions. http://www.workhouses.org.uk/Poplar/ HTH Judy London, UK -----Original Message----- From: london-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:london-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of wilsbri@bigpond.com Once again, I'm after some help with London poor law institutions in the early 1900's. After the death of their mother in 1916 and abandoned by their father, the children were eventually sent to Poplars Training Schools at Brentwood. However some notes left by an old aunt describe first going to Langley House which appears to be a different institution. Can AKS help with any information about this institution. Regards Brian Wilson - Adelaide, South Australia

I am looking for my Grandmother's birth record. According to the 1911 census she was born in plumstead infirmary. Her birth year is 1884. Her name was Mary Connolly, that is what shows on her marriage certificate, Her Father was John and was a sweep. Thank you Pat from Canada