Good morning from New Zealand, I am having trouble finding a family on the census, (although found them only on the 1871c), the name I am looking for is Patrick CATON born c1859 Marylebone, Middx, England his father and mother John and Mary (both born Ireland) all children born Marylebone, I have death cert: for Patrick 1898 (died Kensington Infirmary,)so somewhere he is hiding, Patrick married Mary Day 1881 Marylebone, 2 children born Joanna 1885 and Mary 1891 no sign of them either, I am hoping someone can help me Thanking you all Eileen

Did she marry in England ? I couldn't spot an entry for that marriage to Edward Barlow, nor I could I spot the name of any of the censuses up to 1881 Have I missed her ? Good Luck Antony -----Original Message----- From: london-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:london-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Glenys & Peter Sent: 07 November 2011 08:19 To: LONDON@rootsweb.com Subject: [LON] BRICKWALL: Rivers Gertrude May Rivers was born in Brixton, London between 1855 and 1860 according to the information on her Australian death certificate and the birth certificates of her 5 children. I can find no trace of her birth. Something that may assist - family oral history suggests she had a twin who died of smallpox and this was the reason she and her husband (Edward Barlow) migrated to Aust. in the 1880s. Any help would be greatly appreciated, this is a very long standing brickwall, Peter ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ This mailing list works in parallel with the London surname interest list on the web at http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/london.html . Check for matching interests and add your own ! Any problems, please contact the List Admin: LONDON-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LONDON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Anthony, She did marry in England, again according to all Australian certificates - on 30 November 1880 in Stockport Cheshire but there is no sign of the marriage in the Cheshire indexes. I contacted the Cheshire Free BMD list and they informed me that no marriages took place in Stockport on that date. I do have a photo of the happy couple - the usual - man sitting and woman standing and a ring clearly on view. I know the husband`s parents and family but know nothing about Gerty Rivers despite years of searching, I thought there may be some new indexes available in London that might throw some light on her? Thanks for your interest, Peter -----Original Message----- From: "C5D" [antonylambert@c5d.co.uk] Date: 11/08/2011 12:43 AM To: "'Glenys & Peter'" <curvedair@myway.com>, LONDON@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [LON] BRICKWALL: Rivers Note: Original message sent as attachment

Hello Listers I have posted this a few months ago but without success so am trying once again in case there is anyone with a suggestion: I have been searching for many years for my great uncle Alfred BEZER born 1864 in Camberwell. He appears on the 1881 census as a 17 year old, but then completely disappears. I have been able to locate his siblings but have searched everywhere I can think of and can find no trace of Alfred. I subscribe to Find My Past and Ancestry.com.au and have searched their records, I have checked Free BDMs and the Commonwealth War Graves index, but have found nothing. I have searched the Death index from 1881 through as far as the index online goes. I am wondering if he emigrated prior to 1890 when Find My Past's emigration records begin. Does anyone know if there are any records of emigration prior to 1890 and if so, where I can access them. If anyone has any suggestion which may help I would be most grateful as I am most interested in knowing what became of him. Jan Haggart

Can sks help me to find Joseph WATTS please on the 1891 census. When he got married in November 1891 his address was 74 Alma St, Hoxton, but I cannot find him on the 1891 census. Is there a way of searching by Road name on this census? Then I can see if he was at number 74. The house exists because I can see the street details on the 1891 census on Findmypast.co.uk, but I do not have any credits to view the details (I have only a subscription to view the 1911 census). More info about Joseph. He was born in 1858 in Fletton (Huntingdonshire). I have him with his parents George and Jane, on the 1861, 1871 and 1881 censuses and on the 1901 and 1911 censuses with his wife Emily. It is just 1891 that we cannot find him. Perhaps a new pair of eyes can find him, or sks can tell me how to search by street name TIA Yvonne

Hi Eileen Do you have the addresses from the marriage in 1881 and the childrens births ? I don't see a birth for either Mary or Joanna in Marylebone ? In fact I don't see a Joanna birth anywhere Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Good morning from New Zealand, > I am having trouble finding a family on the census, (although found them only on the 1871c), the > name I am looking for is Patrick CATON born c1859 Marylebone, Middx, England his father and mother > John and Mary (both born Ireland) all children born Marylebone, > I have death cert: for Patrick 1898 (died Kensington Infirmary,)so somewhere he is hiding, Patrick > married Mary Day 1881 Marylebone, 2 children born Joanna 1885 and Mary 1891 no sign of them > either, I am hoping someone can help me > Thanking you all > Eileen

Hi Simon I see Frederick with sister Alice in the 1851 but not Thomas or Elizabeth the mother Can you post the 1851 census refs, plus any other year if you have them Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) PS its always best to post to individual lists rather than crosspost which can cause problems for list admins where people reply to lists they are not subscribed to You have posted to WILLCOX & London lists plus three posts to the *request* address for WILLCOX, Surrey & London, they are for subscribing or unsubcribing only > Hi everyone, > > I trust that you are all well. > > I am trying to find out further info about the above Thomas Willcox, > my ggg-grandfather, born c1810. He was a Mariner, as was his son, > Fredrick, who was on the Anna May/May Anna ship. On the census with > Fredricks' baptism, in 1843, (on 1851 census) Thomas was still a > Mariner However, Thomas disappears of the census' altogether, and I > can't find any death records. Is there records for Mariner's/Sailor's > who would have been buried at sea, assuming that's what happend to > him. Could have been on Ship at the time of the Census' being taken? > Could he have jumped ship? My cousin & I are rather frustrated with > this, so any help gratefully appreciated, please. > > Simon

Can someone please supply information re 2 students about 1670, Clement Hoy and Thomas Hoy. Thanks.

In some censuses mariners were included.1851 was the first to include those on ships in port and 1861 also included mariners at sea, as did later ones. Deaths at sea were enumerated in separate books form the national BMD registers. Some sites have these to search ( but you have to pay or have a subscription. However, if you ancestor was simply lost at sea ( as was one of mine on a fishing boat) you will have to sea if you can trace his seaman's record of service. Subscribing to the Mariners List might help Mariners-L-request@rootsweb.com You could also look at their website http://www.mariners-l.co.uk/UKPages.htm Anne On 7 Nov 2011, at 16:55, Simon Martin wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I trust that you are all well. > > I am trying to find out further info about the above Thomas Willcox, > my ggg-grandfather, born c1810. He was a Mariner, as was his son, > Fredrick, who was on the Anna May/May Anna ship. On the census with > Fredricks' baptism, in 1843, (on 1851 census) Thomas was still a > Mariner However, Thomas disappears of the census' altogether, and I > can't find any death records. Is there records for Mariner's/Sailor's > who would have been buried at sea, assuming that's what happend to > him. Could have been on Ship at the time of the Census' being taken? > Could he have jumped ship? My cousin & I are rather frustrated with > this, so any help gratefully appreciated, please. > > Simon

Hi everyone, I trust that you are all well. I am trying to find out further info about the above Thomas Willcox, my ggg-grandfather, born c1810. He was a Mariner, as was his son, Fredrick, who was on the Anna May/May Anna ship. On the census with Fredricks' baptism, in 1843, (on 1851 census) Thomas was still a Mariner However, Thomas disappears of the census' altogether, and I can't find any death records. Is there records for Mariner's/Sailor's who would have been buried at sea, assuming that's what happend to him. Could have been on Ship at the time of the Census' being taken? Could he have jumped ship? My cousin & I are rather frustrated with this, so any help gratefully appreciated, please. Simon

Thank you to everyone who sent me their thoughts on this subject. I now have the date of the death of his father, and also his fathers occupation and address. I think that is pretty amazing!  And I would never have guessed that Stowage was a street in Deptford. Jill.

1851 has Mary Thain age 58 abt 1793 Hickling, Norfolk, England Housekeeper Martham, Norfolk HO107; Piece: 1807; Folio: 201; Page: 11; GSU roll: 207459. Thos Raing 76 farmer Mary Thain 58 Martha Parmer 22 Sarah Hodds 18 Wm Hodds 17 Above is in Flegg so likely death Mary Thain Apr-May-Jun 1857 Flegg Norfolk 4b 14 NOTE - not this death Mary A Thain abt 1803 Apr-May-Jun 1866 Leeds Yorkshire West Riding as presumably same woman as this wife Mary A Thain Joseph abt 1803 Leeds, Yorkshire, England Wife Leeds, Yorkshire I'm not getting anywhere with Fred Ron Lankshear -Sydney NSW (from London-Shepherds Bush/Chiswick) try my links http://freepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lankshear/ On 2011-11-07 12:48 PM, Phyl Stewart wrote: > Could someone please help me with these two, who appear once (or twice) and then disappear? > > Mary Ann THAIN was a witness at two marriages of Thain brothers in 1827 and 1828 at St John, Clerkenwell, and cannot be found again. I believe she was probably born between 1795 and 1802, possibly in Norfolk, but more probably in London. > > Frederick George THAIN was born in July, 1827, christened in Clerkenwell in May 1929, and has vanished without a trace. He was not with his supoosed parents in Islington in the 1841 census. > > Any help in positively placing these people in the family would be greatly appreciated. > > Regards > > Phyl

Hello All Could someone please help me with these two, who appear once (or twice) and then disappear? Mary Ann THAIN was a witness at two marriages of Thain brothers in 1827 and 1828 at St John, Clerkenwell, and cannot be found again. I believe she was probably born between 1795 and 1802, possibly in Norfolk, but more probably in London. Frederick George THAIN was born in July, 1827, christened in Clerkenwell in May 1929, and has vanished without a trace. He was not with his supoosed parents in Islington in the 1841 census. Any help in positively placing these people in the family would be greatly appreciated. Regards Phyl

How did you do it, Andy?! Just to clarify, it is not Alfred who was buried, but rather his three month old daughter, along with what looks like the mother's maiden name: Bezer Phyllis date of death 14 Apr 1899 age at death: 3mths Taralga Father: Alfred J Bezer Mother: Helena Mullin C of E Unmarked Does that look like him, Jan? ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Andy Hedgcock <andy701@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 4:11 AM Subject: Re: [LON] Missing Gt Uncle Alfred Bezer born 1864 To: Jan <janet-haggart@netspace.net.au>, LONDON@rootsweb.com There is an Alfred J BEZER mentioned here; http://www.australiancemeteries.com/nsw/mulwaree/stonequarry_taralga_afdata.htm Whether he's yours or not will require a little more searching. Cheers Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan" <janet-haggart@netspace.net.au> To: <LONDON@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 12:01 PM Subject: [LON] Missing Gt Uncle Alfred Bezer born 1864 > Hello Listers > > I have posted this a few months ago but without success so am trying > once again in case there is anyone with a suggestion: > > I have been searching for many years for my great uncle Alfred BEZER > born 1864 in > Camberwell. He appears on the 1881 census as a 17 year old, but then > completely disappears. I have been able to locate his siblings but have > searched everywhere I can think of and can find no trace of Alfred. I > subscribe to Find My Past and Ancestry.com.au and have searched their > records, I have checked Free BDMs and the Commonwealth War Graves index, > but have found nothing. I have searched the Death index from 1881 > through as far as the index online goes. I am wondering if he > emigrated prior to 1890 when Find My Past's emigration records begin. > Does anyone know if there are any records of emigration prior to 1890 > and if so, where I can access them. If anyone has any suggestion which > may help I would be most grateful as I am most interested in knowing > what became of him. > > Jan Haggart > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > This mailing list works in parallel with the London surname interest list > on the web at http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/london.html .  Check for > matching interests and add your own ! > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: LONDON-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LONDON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ This mailing list works in parallel with the London surname interest list on the web at http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/london.html . Check for matching interests and add your own ! Any problems, please contact the List Admin: LONDON-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LONDON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

There is an Alfred J BEZER mentioned here; http://www.australiancemeteries.com/nsw/mulwaree/stonequarry_taralga_afdata.htm Whether he's yours or not will require a little more searching. Cheers Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan" <janet-haggart@netspace.net.au> To: <LONDON@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 12:01 PM Subject: [LON] Missing Gt Uncle Alfred Bezer born 1864 > Hello Listers > > I have posted this a few months ago but without success so am trying > once again in case there is anyone with a suggestion: > > I have been searching for many years for my great uncle Alfred BEZER > born 1864 in > Camberwell. He appears on the 1881 census as a 17 year old, but then > completely disappears. I have been able to locate his siblings but have > searched everywhere I can think of and can find no trace of Alfred. I > subscribe to Find My Past and Ancestry.com.au and have searched their > records, I have checked Free BDMs and the Commonwealth War Graves index, > but have found nothing. I have searched the Death index from 1881 > through as far as the index online goes. I am wondering if he > emigrated prior to 1890 when Find My Past's emigration records begin. > Does anyone know if there are any records of emigration prior to 1890 > and if so, where I can access them. If anyone has any suggestion which > may help I would be most grateful as I am most interested in knowing > what became of him. > > Jan Haggart > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > This mailing list works in parallel with the London surname interest list > on the web at http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/london.html . Check for > matching interests and add your own ! > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: LONDON-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LONDON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Frank The one I've researched went to Canada The Home were able to provide records to his descendants If you don't know which Home etc I'd suggest subscribe to <http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/CAN/BRITISHHOMECHILDREN.html> Ron Lankshear -Sydney NSW (from London-Shepherds Bush/Chiswick) try my links http://freepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lankshear/

Thanks Mike, didn't know that.....but have now looked at the Map and found the area concerned. The only reason I was puzzled, was that their first child is in the Baptismal records in 1888 the year after their Marriage there. Cheers, Robyn -----Original Message----- From: london-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:london-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mike Fry Sent: Monday, 7 November 2011 2:44 AM To: london@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LON] 1901 Census Entry PASCALL On 2011/11/06 15:15, Robyn Clarke wrote: > Anyway, thank you for your thoughts and suggestions......For some > strange reason their Marriage which was registered Poplars, London > 1887 is not in the London Marriage Indexes, as that may have given me > more information.....for my current subscription. That's Poplar on The Isle of Dogs :-) and the marriage might have been a civil marriage, in which case you won't find it in any Parish Register, which is what the London Marriages Indexes on Ancestry are based on. -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ This mailing list works in parallel with the London surname interest list on the web at http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/london.html . Check for matching interests and add your own ! Any problems, please contact the List Admin: LONDON-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LONDON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Gertrude May Rivers was born in Brixton, London between 1855 and 1860 according to the information on her Australian death certificate and the birth certificates of her 5 children. I can find no trace of her birth. Something that may assist - family oral history suggests she had a twin who died of smallpox and this was the reason she and her husband (Edward Barlow) migrated to Aust. in the 1880s. Any help would be greatly appreciated, this is a very long standing brickwall, Peter

Thanks for your thoughts Marilyn, I have done searches on two well-known FH websites to which I subscribe at time.....no sign of anything Military, or even Passenger listings.... His wife Eugene is found in Brentwood Essex in 1911 as a Widow, housekeeper......with a daughter Laurie, born 1903 who has appeared without trace. So my mystery continues..... Cheers, Robyn -----Original Message----- From: Marilyn L. Arnold [mailto:marilyn.arnold1@verizon.net] Sent: Monday, 7 November 2011 1:12 AM To: Robyn Clarke; 'Ron Lankshear' Cc: LONDON@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LON] 1901 Census Entry PASCALL Going back to my recent and obviously questionable (up for interpretation!) of his birth as Camp Shanks, in New York -- if he was born into the military, military families were often on the move so records were often scattered..... So perhaps consider that this was a military family ....? at least at one time. Have you tried the military records. Interesting to see if he was a US native or UK citizen.... eh? Marilyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robyn Clarke" <rsclarke@bigpond.com> To: "'Ron Lankshear'" <ronlank@yahoo.com.au> Cc: <LONDON@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2011 8:15 AM Subject: Re: [LON] 1901 Census Entry PASCALL > Hi Ron, > > As someone who has never been to England I've got no idea as to why he was > shown as born West Ham and Lincolnshire, except one opinion was that > perhaps > the child was registered somewhere other than where he was born...... > I have not bought any certificates for this family, as it is not mine, I'm > doing it all for a friend who is related to a later Pascall family member > and I have access to the various sites without naming names. > > I'm wondering why the family is not a unit in 1890 census just at the time > Alfred is born. Even if Edward was sailing off somewhere, one would have > thought Eugene should have been around........ > > Anyway, thank you for your thoughts and suggestions......For some strange > reason their Marriage which was registered Poplars, London 1887 is not in > the London Marriage Indexes, as that may have given me more > information.....for my current subscription. > > Cheers, > Robyn > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron Lankshear [mailto:ronlank@yahoo.com.au] > Sent: Sunday, 6 November 2011 11:40 PM > To: Robyn Clarke > Cc: LONDON@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [LON] 1901 Census Entry PASCALL > > It reads like Carmaphack, West Mane presumably West Maine hence a > statistician has written USA. > > But could it all be wrong in that the enumerator could not read the > writing > or get clarification and its something or other in West Ham??? > > I agree no sign of in 1891 or Edward in any other census including > USA....... > > Also why is Alfred shown as born Lincolnshire and yet registered in West > Ham..... > > Have you seen the boys birth certificates do they add anything and the > marriage any witnesses that might be related to Edward? > > Ron Lankshear -Sydney NSW (from London-Shepherds > Bush/Chiswick) > try my links > http://freepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lankshear/ > > On 2011-11-06 4:17 PM, Robyn Clarke wrote: >> He was found in 1901 with wife, EUGENIE PASCALL nee RENOUF born >> Jersey, at >> 70 Lawrence Ave., East Ham, Living on own means and stating born >> Car..................USA. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > This mailing list works in parallel with the London surname interest list > on the web at http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/london.html . Check for > matching interests and add your own ! > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: LONDON-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LONDON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message