Well Ann claims to be widowed in the 1861 census But I couldn't spot a death for G B A either Good Luck Antony -----Original Message----- From: london-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:london-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jane Kelly Sent: 09 November 2011 21:38 To: london@rootsweb.com Subject: [LON] BRICKWALL Frederick ADAM(S) I wonder if someone can make any helpful suggestions about where to look for a birth or baptism for Frederick ADAM. >From census information, we know he must have been born in 1858 in Bromley-by-Bow or Poplar and from a granddaughter's birthday book his actual birthday has recently been confirmed as May 24th 1858. We have sent for a couple of birth certificates and so far have met a blank. His elder brothers, George and Thomas were both baptised on the same day in 1851 as eachother at St Thomas's, Stepney, But neither the next child, Charlotte, nor Frederick seem to have been Christened.. His father was a mariner and they moved frequently around the Parish but never very far, just a few streets. I have exhausted FreeBMD. One reason I want to find his birth is to see if his father George Bruce ADAM was alive because my next problem is finding a death certificate for George! His mother Ann, lived until 1902. Here he is on our family tree: http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=kosmoid&id=I7215 The spelling, although originally Scottish ADAM has often been changed by census takers or registrars to ADAMS when in London. Best wishes, Jane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ This mailing list works in parallel with the London surname interest list on the web at http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/london.html . Check for matching interests and add your own ! Any problems, please contact the List Admin: LONDON-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LONDON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I wonder if someone can make any helpful suggestions about where to look for a birth or baptism for Frederick ADAM. >From census information, we know he must have been born in 1858 in Bromley-by-Bow or Poplar and from a granddaughter's birthday book his actual birthday has recently been confirmed as May 24th 1858. We have sent for a couple of birth certificates and so far have met a blank. His elder brothers, George and Thomas were both baptised on the same day in 1851 as eachother at St Thomas's, Stepney, But neither the next child, Charlotte, nor Frederick seem to have been Christened.. His father was a mariner and they moved frequently around the Parish but never very far, just a few streets. I have exhausted FreeBMD. One reason I want to find his birth is to see if his father George Bruce ADAM was alive because my next problem is finding a death certificate for George! His mother Ann, lived until 1902. Here he is on our family tree: http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=kosmoid&id=I7215 The spelling, although originally Scottish ADAM has often been changed by census takers or registrars to ADAMS when in London. Best wishes, Jane

Thanks for your help Ron, at least I know now that no stone has been left unturned in the search for Gerties origins. If she was registered with another surname, that would be almost impossible to find and prove and I guess there is always the possibility that her birth was never registered. Thanks also for the info on the Barlows, that was very helpful. Edward and Gertrude Barlow were the last of my ancestors to come to Australia and they are the ones I know least about, amazing really. Cheers, Peter -----Original Message----- From: "Ron Lankshear" [ronlank@yahoo.com.au] Date: 11/09/2011 02:11 AM To: "C5D" <antonylambert@c5d.co.uk> CC: LONDON@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LON] BRICKWALL: Rivers Note: Original message sent as attachment

Both of the above went to Merchant Taylor School, London. The school registry used to be searchable on line but doesn't seem to be so now. Any info on these two will be gratefully received. They are sons of Clement Hoy senior of St Dunstan in the West, born 1657-9 and possibly Quakers. Their mother is unknown to me.

Hence I presume 1841 Henry Barlow 30 (looks like Bricksetter) Martha Barlow 30 William Barlow 9 John Barlow 7 Thomas Barlow 3 Ann Barlow 5 Henry Barlow 2 MO HO107; Piece 113; Book: 7; Civil Parish: Stockport; County: Cheshire; Enumeration District: 12; Folio: 30; Page: 3; Line: 13; GSU roll: 241245. First son around 1831 so they married before BMD Look at IGI and Subscribe to http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/ENG/CHESHIRE.html Gertrude: Well Ancestry have added a lot of baptisms for London but I could see anything in index Was she perhaps another name and it became Rivers for some reason I see 17 Gertrude something in years 1853-62 in Brixton None are May but often Mary becomes May So 3 have such names Gertrude Mary Burn 26 Mar 1862 George Roddam Burn, Emily Mary Burn North Brixton Christ Church Gertrude Martha Faulkner 2 May 1860 William Faulkner, Martha Faulkner Brixton St John the Evangelist Mary Gertrude Weall 19 Feb 1859 William Weall, Rosa Annie Weall Brixton St John the Evangelist Ron Lankshear -Sydney NSW (from London-Shepherds Bush/Chiswick) try my links http://freepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lankshear/

Hi John A bit delayed as I got "Microsofted" earlier when a critical update knocked me offline until a few minutes ago Many thanks for your input on this All interesting stuff, serves me right for not making notes when I came across these things in the past Yes, Guys site is very useful for the various acts relevant to this subject plus many others of course Many thanks Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > It may be technically invalid through some defect - lack of parental consent, for example, failure > to produce banns certificate , person conducting ceremony not a person qualified to do so [but > with access to the registers] - but these are not in themselves regarded as sufficient to void > the marriage, which remains "valid but irregular." Some of these points and others are > specifically covered in one or more of the MArriage Acts. > > The general presumption in English law seemsto be that a marriage stands until decisively proved > otherwise, as marriage is seen as a bedrock of society [not just the marriage per se, but the > complications for inheritance. > > Guy Etchells, at his site below, has most if not all of the Act - worth perusing if you want to > know more. > > Kind regards, > John

Hi Mike, You probably have some opinions by now, but I just read under the heading Banns of Marriage Wikipedia quite an extensive piece on the Marriage Laws pertaining to different religions from 1754 on....... My interpretation was, that it was supposed to be the three Sundays prior to the Marriage and if a lengthy period was required between same, special permission could be obtained.... Anyway, have a look at it, if you haven't already. Cheers, Robyn -----Original Message----- From: london-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:london-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mike Fry Sent: Wednesday, 9 November 2011 2:34 AM To: london@rootsweb.com Subject: [LON] Valid Marriage? Hi All, This question is general in nature, but since it applies to a London church, I thought I'd post it here. To the best of my knowledge, after the calling of Banns, the couple have/had 3 months in which to get married. Was this also true in 1795, the year in which I have come across a small anomaly for some of my ancestors. Banns were called in St Saviour, Southwark, for Charles HEAD and Sally FOWLER on Feb 8th, 15th and 22nd. The subsequent marriage (same church) then doesn't take place until 1st Sep 1795. I can find no record of any other Banns having being called. Was this marriage actually valid? -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ This mailing list works in parallel with the London surname interest list on the web at http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/london.html . Check for matching interests and add your own ! Any problems, please contact the List Admin: LONDON-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LONDON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Like you I cannot see anything that appears to be Gertie Rivers....... I was wondering about that Edward - so I looked for his wife Jane - some possibilities for her in later census BUT no deaths for a Jane Barlow c1846 until 1911/12 in Stockport..... One death in West Derby in Sep 1881 So what was this unfound wedding in 1880 if Edward was with a Jane in 1881. There is Gertrude Barlow abt 1858 London, London, Middlesex, England Servant Richmond, Surrey but she is unmar on form....... I see the 5 births in NSW as from 1891 But Ancestry not showing any migration data for parents Is this your Gertie's death? Name: Gertrude Barlow Death Date: 1932 Death Place: New South Wales Father's Name: Alfred Mother's Name: Topsy Registration Year: 1932 Registration Place: White Cliffs, New South Wales Registration Number: 13393 Ron Lankshear -Sydney NSW (from London-Shepherds Bush/Chiswick) try my links http://freepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lankshear/ On 2011-11-09 11:05 AM, Glenys & Peter wrote: > There is no sign of them in the 1881 census, though there is an Edward Barlow in Stockport (also a bricklayer employing 40 men) with another wife. It is tempting to believe that this is my g.grandfather and he has done a runner to Oz with Gertrude. About this time an Edward Barlow from Stockport was made bankrupt - maybe the same person? > > Thanks Anthony, > > Peter

Hello Nivard, ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nivard Ovington" > Hi John > > I seem to remember reading on more than one occasion and source that despite Banns having not > > been > called in the prescribed time period a subsequent marriage was deemed to be valid regardless > > Likewise that an underaged person who married giving false information was nonetheless deemed to > > be > validly married > > I can not put my hand (or mouse <g>) on it just now but wondered if you had anything on the > > subject > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) It seems a very complicated topic, even in the last 300years with which must family historians are concerned! The status of a marriage seems to be tied up with a number of technical terms - "void", "voidable" , "valid", "invalid" and so on. A marriage ceremony may be void ab initio because of technical defects some of which may vary from time to time - e.g. a man going through a ceremony with his sister (or brother!), one party under-age ( age changed in 1929), still married to previous spouse. It may be voidable - something which subsequently comes to light which enables a court to declare the marriage void [see also decrees of nullity]. It may be technically invalid through some defect - lack of parental consent, for example, failure to produce banns certificate , person conducting ceremony not a person qualified to do so [but with access to the registers] - but these are not in themselves regarded as sufficient to void the marriage, which remains "valid but irregular." Some of these points and others are specifically covered in one or more of the MArriage Acts. The general presumption in English law seemsto be that a marriage stands until decisively proved otherwise, as marriage is seen as a bedrock of society [not just the marriage per se, but the complications for inheritance. Guy Etchells, at his site below, has most if not all of the Act - worth perusing if you want to know more. Kind regards, John >> Yes. Hardwicke's Marriage Act of 1753 >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~framland/acts/1753.htm >> did not include a time limit for the validity of a Banns certificate. This was introduced by the >> second Marriage Act of 1823 >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~framland/acts/alm1823.htm >> "IX. And be it further enacted, That whenever a Marriage shall not be had within Three Months >> after >> the complete Publication of Banns, no Minister shall proceed to the Solemnization of the same >> until >> the Banns shall have been republished on Three several Sundays, in the Form and Manner prescribed >> in >> this Act, unless by Licence duly obtained according to the Provisions of this Act." >> >> and has remained at three months ever since. >> >> Kind regards, >> John Henley > >

Hi John I seem to remember reading on more than one occasion and source that despite Banns having not been called in the prescribed time period a subsequent marriage was deemed to be valid regardless Likewise that an underaged person who married giving false information was nonetheless deemed to be validly married I can not put my hand (or mouse <g>) on it just now but wondered if you had anything on the subject Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Yes. Hardwicke's Marriage Act of 1753 > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~framland/acts/1753.htm > did not include a time limit for the validity of a Banns certificate. This was introduced by the > second Marriage Act of 1823 > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~framland/acts/alm1823.htm > "IX. And be it further enacted, That whenever a Marriage shall not be had within Three Months > after > the complete Publication of Banns, no Minister shall proceed to the Solemnization of the same > until > the Banns shall have been republished on Three several Sundays, in the Form and Manner prescribed > in > this Act, unless by Licence duly obtained according to the Provisions of this Act." > > and has remained at three months ever since. > > Kind regards, > John Henley

Hi Mike, ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Fry" <fredbonzo@iafrica.com> > This question is general in nature, but since it applies to a London church, I > thought I'd post it here. > > To the best of my knowledge, after the calling of Banns, the couple have/had 3 > months in which to get married. Was this also true in 1795, the year in which I > have come across a small anomaly for some of my ancestors. > > Banns were called in St Saviour, Southwark, for Charles HEAD and Sally FOWLER on > Feb 8th, 15th and 22nd. The subsequent marriage (same church) then doesn't take > place until 1st Sep 1795. I can find no record of any other Banns having being > called. > > Was this marriage actually valid?> > > -- > Regards,> Mike Fry> Johannesburg Yes. Hardwicke's Marriage Act of 1753 http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~framland/acts/1753.htm did not include a time limit for the validity of a Banns certificate. This was introduced by the second Marriage Act of 1823 http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~framland/acts/alm1823.htm "IX. And be it further enacted, That whenever a Marriage shall not be had within Three Months after the complete Publication of Banns, no Minister shall proceed to the Solemnization of the same until the Banns shall have been republished on Three several Sundays, in the Form and Manner prescribed in this Act, unless by Licence duly obtained according to the Provisions of this Act." and has remained at three months ever since. Kind regards, John Henley

If advice has been sent offlist -- especially if it is beyond what is in the standard sources -- it would be good to see it forwarded to the list. I (for one) would like to know the answer! Judy London, UK -----Original Message----- From: london-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:london-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Robyn Clarke You probably have some opinions by now, but I just read under the heading Banns of Marriage Wikipedia quite an extensive piece on the Marriage Laws pertaining to different religions from 1754 on....... -----Original Message----- From: london-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:london-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mike Fry Banns were called in St Saviour, Southwark, for Charles HEAD and Sally FOWLER on Feb 8th, 15th and 22nd. The subsequent marriage (same church) then doesn't take place until 1st Sep 1795. I can find no record of any other Banns having being called. Was this marriage actually valid?

Name: Mary Nettleship Age: 44 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1817 Relation: Head Gender: Female Where born: Wantage, Berkshire, England Civil parish: Paddington Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephen County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Street Address: 9 Stephens Road Condition as to marriage: widow Registration district: Kensington Sub-registration district: St Mary Paddington ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 131 Piece: 2 Folio: 12 Page Number: 25 Household Members: Name Age Mary Nettleship 44 Ellen Nettleship 21 Odele T Hill 26 Boarders Sarah Boeker 72 Helen Bales 44 Letitia Davidson 62 Ida C Brown 17 Peter Rorrke 28 Mary A Croft 20 Emily W Reppard 24 Henry Rorke 18 Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 2; Folio: 12; Page: 25; On 9 Nov 2011, at 05:22, Helen Carter wrote: > I need some help to find Mary NETTLESHIP on the 1871 Census > she was born c1819 at Wantage, Berkshire, after her marriage she lived at St Pancras and Paddington > in 1861she is a widow living at Paddington with her daughter Ellen, in 1881 she is a boarder living at Paddington, she died 1887 Paddington district. > > Helen > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > This mailing list works in parallel with the London surname interest list on the web at http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/london.html . Check for matching interests and add your own ! > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: LONDON-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LONDON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Do you have a 'brick wall'. Something about someone you have wanted to find, but haven't' , and it drives you mad, not knowing? If so, let us hear about it! +++++++++++++++++++++++++ Further to Lyn's message may I repost an earlier request in my search for John FRY whom I think must have been born around 1770 (among many others) in the London area. I have copied relative details below together with other replies etc that will indicate that my IGI findings were incorrect. Will you please read them and if at all possible comment on what further research is possible. Thank you for any help you can give me. Kind Regards. George Fry (now housebound and a superannuant) 454 S. H. 1. Mt Pleasant R.D.3 Blenheim 7273 New Zealand Email George.F.Fry@xtra.co.nz Listowner FRY_UK@yahoogroups.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- COPY Hello Gordon, Many thanks for your reply to my posting. It would seem that my John can not be the one related to your wife's ancestor as I am aware that mine was living in London for some time before his death which unfortunately have no detail of. Coincidently I have also just had a message from Chris Wheeler in similar vein regarding his wife's FRY ancestry to the same family (John & Maria) which I feel may be of interest to yourselves. Copy attached below for information. I will also tell Chris of our contact when I reply to his message shortly. Again many thanks and kind regards, George Fry 454 S. H. 1. Mt Pleasant R.D.3 Blenheim 7273 New Zealand Email George.F.Fry@xtra.co.nz Listowner FRY_UK@yahoogroups.com See my web page http://frank1928.tribalpages.com Visitor password picton2002 =============================== Hi George I don't know if you have had an previous responses to your request for information (in 2008) but I am replying in case you have had no responses yet. I believe that the christenings at Allhallows the Great which you have mentioned relate to the family of my wife (who is descended from another child of John & Maria Fry- also Thomas Fry born in 1783 and christened at Allhallows - presumably Thomas Price Whitmore Fry died before 1783 but I have no evidence of that). If I am correct, there is no obvious connection between your ancestor living in Southwark and my wife's ancestors who lived north of the Thames (Hoxton). However, I realise that you may have other information to the contrary - if so could you please let me know. My wife has some 19th century family letters which give information that, when traced back through another child of John & and Maria - John Fry (1774-1818), show that there was a family connection with the slave trade, which came as a bit of a shock. If you would like more information about my wife's family please let me know and I will pass it on. Kind Regards Chris Wheeler Havelock North (Chris Wheeler <chrisx2@ihug.co.nz>) =================================== ----- Original Message ----- From: Gordon Bonnet To: George.F.Fry@xtra.co.nz Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2011 1:59 AM Subject: Fry family, London Dear Mr. Fry: I recently came across your query, which I have excerpted below: My ancestor John FRY Currier and wife Harriet JONES were living in Southwark in 1800 with 3 children, John, Harriet and Matthew. Son John was christened on 11 Jul 1795 in St Sepulchre, London, the other 2 were christened in St John Horsleydown Surrey. A marriage entry shows that a John FRY and Harriet Jones were wed on the 5 Jan 1794 at the Parish Church, Allhallows, Bread Street, London, All these facts appear to be correct. Having further searched the IGI recently I have found the entry below that could be my John's birth, dated 11 May 1774 together with 4 siblings all at All Hallows the Great London. Parents John FRY and Maria ?? As I am unable to view the Parish records I am asking for help to either confirm or deny what I assume to be a further generation back. I'm sorry to let you know that the John Fry born to John and Maria in London in 1774 is almost certainly not your forebear. The John Fry born in 1774 emigrated to Jamaica, where he married Mary Jones Dunbar in 1801 and had three children, including my wife's ancestor Mary Susannah (Fry) Hylton. Unless the marriage to Harriet Jones was a first (and short-lived) marriage, it is unlikely that your John Fry and my wife's ancestor are one and the same. cheers, Gordon Bonnet Trumansburg NY USA

The difficulty with Edward Barlow is that it is a very common name in Stockport, added to which there were 4 or 5 Edwards born in the 1845-50 period in the town. He told his family that he employed men in Stockport and apparently he arrived in Oz with quite a bit of money which he quickly disposed of on the neddies. On his DC (1907) his parents are shown as Henry Barlow, builder and Martha Smith and there is no record I can find for an Edward with a mother of that name, so you can see this couple is a real problem. I am slowly trawling my way through the Sydney shipping records but so far,no luck. Gertrude died in 1947 in Bondi and the only entry in the parent`s column is ---- Rivers. Are there any new christening/birth records that have recently come to light for the Brixton area? That at least would give me something on Gertie. Thanks for your interest Ron, Cheers, Peter -----Original Message----- From: "Ron Lankshear" [ronlank@yahoo.com.au] Date: 11/08/2011 09:29 PM To: "Glenys & Peter" <curvedair@myway.com> CC: LONDON@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LON] BRICKWALL: Rivers Note: Original message sent as attachment

I need some help to find Mary NETTLESHIP on the 1871 Census she was born c1819 at Wantage, Berkshire, after her marriage she lived at St Pancras and Paddington in 1861she is a widow living at Paddington with her daughter Ellen, in 1881 she is a boarder living at Paddington, she died 1887 Paddington district.   Helen 

> He came up when I googled. I often find it's worth doing, and also google > books, when the name isn't particularly common. > HTH > Andy > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephanie Ray" <netnuevo@gmail.com> > To: <LONDON@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 9:35 PM > Subject: [LON] Fwd: Missing Gt Uncle Alfred Bezer born 1864 > > > How did you do it, Andy?! > > Just to clarify, it is not Alfred who was buried, but rather his three > month old daughter, along with what looks like the mother's maiden > name: > > Bezer Phyllis date of death 14 Apr 1899 age at death: 3mths Taralga > Father: Alfred J Bezer Mother: Helena Mullin C of E Unmarked > > Does that look like him, Jan? >

He came up when I googled. I often find it's worth doing, and also google books, when the name isn't particularly common. HTH Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephanie Ray" <netnuevo@gmail.com> To: <LONDON@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 9:35 PM Subject: [LON] Fwd: Missing Gt Uncle Alfred Bezer born 1864 How did you do it, Andy?! Just to clarify, it is not Alfred who was buried, but rather his three month old daughter, along with what looks like the mother's maiden name: Bezer Phyllis date of death 14 Apr 1899 age at death: 3mths Taralga Father: Alfred J Bezer Mother: Helena Mullin C of E Unmarked Does that look like him, Jan? ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Andy Hedgcock <andy701@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 4:11 AM Subject: Re: [LON] Missing Gt Uncle Alfred Bezer born 1864 To: Jan <janet-haggart@netspace.net.au>, LONDON@rootsweb.com There is an Alfred J BEZER mentioned here; http://www.australiancemeteries.com/nsw/mulwaree/stonequarry_taralga_afdata.htm Whether he's yours or not will require a little more searching. Cheers Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan" <janet-haggart@netspace.net.au> To: <LONDON@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 12:01 PM Subject: [LON] Missing Gt Uncle Alfred Bezer born 1864 > Hello Listers > > I have posted this a few months ago but without success so am trying > once again in case there is anyone with a suggestion: > > I have been searching for many years for my great uncle Alfred BEZER > born 1864 in > Camberwell. He appears on the 1881 census as a 17 year old, but then > completely disappears. I have been able to locate his siblings but have > searched everywhere I can think of and can find no trace of Alfred. I > subscribe to Find My Past and Ancestry.com.au and have searched their > records, I have checked Free BDMs and the Commonwealth War Graves index, > but have found nothing. I have searched the Death index from 1881 > through as far as the index online goes. I am wondering if he > emigrated prior to 1890 when Find My Past's emigration records begin. > Does anyone know if there are any records of emigration prior to 1890 > and if so, where I can access them. If anyone has any suggestion which > may help I would be most grateful as I am most interested in knowing > what became of him. > > Jan Haggart > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > This mailing list works in parallel with the London surname interest list > on the web at http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/london.html . Check for > matching interests and add your own ! > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: LONDON-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LONDON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ This mailing list works in parallel with the London surname interest list on the web at http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/london.html . Check for matching interests and add your own ! Any problems, please contact the List Admin: LONDON-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LONDON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ This mailing list works in parallel with the London surname interest list on the web at http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/london.html . Check for matching interests and add your own ! Any problems, please contact the List Admin: LONDON-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LONDON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

There is no sign of them in the 1881 census, though there is an Edward Barlow in Stockport (also a bricklayer employing 40 men) with another wife. It is tempting to believe that this is my g.grandfather and he has done a runner to Oz with Gertrude. About this time an Edward Barlow from Stockport was made bankrupt - maybe the same person? Thanks Anthony, Peter -----Original Message----- From: "C5D" [antonylambert@c5d.co.uk] Date: 11/08/2011 03:20 AM To: "'Glenys & Peter'" <curvedair@myway.com> Subject: RE: [LON] BRICKWALL: Rivers Note: Original message sent as attachment

Hi All, This question is general in nature, but since it applies to a London church, I thought I'd post it here. To the best of my knowledge, after the calling of Banns, the couple have/had 3 months in which to get married. Was this also true in 1795, the year in which I have come across a small anomaly for some of my ancestors. Banns were called in St Saviour, Southwark, for Charles HEAD and Sally FOWLER on Feb 8th, 15th and 22nd. The subsequent marriage (same church) then doesn't take place until 1st Sep 1795. I can find no record of any other Banns having being called. Was this marriage actually valid? -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg