Yep, got all that. Brian Berry has a page or so in the LITTLETON manuscript he just printed devoted to what he recently found back in the VA court records based on info I sent him about a Pherrel Littleton at the right time. It appears he was constantly being sued or suing someone and there are other Littleton listed as posting bail or something for him as brothers. Unfortunately, I don't have a copy of Brian's manuscript here at work so I'm kinda posting this off the top of my head and can't tell you more, but we think we have figured out where he belongs back in VA but don't have definite proof. Terry Littleton (listdad)

Laurie, Since he died in GA in 1961, there should DEFINITELY be a death certificate in the State Vital Statistics office in the Capitol. Check there. Usually the local Health Dept has newer DC's but they are required to be sent to the state. That's helpful if you don't know what county he died in. I have a Littleton ancestor with his exact death date but don't even know what state it was in. Try working on THAT HA HA Terry Littleton (listdad)

Terry, I just logged on hoping I'd received a reply form you. Did you get the forwarded message I sent you this morning? If not, log onto http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/KY/Fleming It is a query: Subject: Littleton Children. It was posted by Evelyn Massarella. Email address is: evelynvm@earthlink.net You might already have this, but if not, it looks like a great lead. Helen

I am hoping that maybe we have some new people on here and maybe someone is related to my LITTLETON. I am looking for information on Elige LITTLETON. He also went by the name Lige. He was born 22 Apr 1883 in NC and died 16 Feb 1961 in Dilliard, Rabun, GA. Dilliard may not be where he died but he is buried there. Someone checked Rabun Co for a death certificate for him and didn't find anything. He was married to Bessie TEEMS, she was born 15 Mar 1909 in Clayton, Rabun, GA. She died 10 Jun 1945 in a car accident in Rabun Co but was pronounced dead at a hospital in Macon Co NC. The death certificate list where the accident occured and that she was living in Tallulah Falls when she died. They had at least two daughters Stella and Loraine. I think they had some sons but I'm not sure. Stella died in 1970 and Loraine is still a live although we have been unable to locate her. Does anyone out there have any information on Elige? I would really love to hear from someone. Thanks, Laurie

It is quite possible that the Levi Littleton that you have researched is the brother of Thomas S. Littleton. Thomas S. had a brother named Lee that pioneered on to TX, Jacob who died in Union Co/IL and Margaret Ann who m. Joseph G. Ford. ---------- > From: TLTURBO@aol.com > To: LITTLETON-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: (no subject) > Date: Sunday, December 05, 1999 8:24 AM > > Hi Monette, > > I THINK I might have some info for you and it appears that you have a new > branch of info for me. Let's both hope so. > > I've been working the past several weeks on the Sumner Co, TN LITTLETON's > because I have someone I'm trying to link up back to a NC group. > > Here is what I have that might be your group. > ----------------------------------------------- > Descendants of Thomas 'Oliver?' Littleton > > > Generation No. 1 > > 1. THOMAS 'OLIVER?'1 LITTLETON. He married (1) FIRST WIFE. He married (2) > SECOND WIFE. > > More About THOMAS 'OLIVER?' LITTLETON: > info: supposedly married three times so some of his sons are probably > half-brothers. > > Children of THOMAS LITTLETON and FIRST WIFE are: > 2. i. WILLIAM2 LITTLETON, b. 1805, NC. > 3. ii. JOHN A LITTLETON, b. 1807, NC; d. 1877, TN. > > Children of THOMAS LITTLETON and SECOND WIFE are: > 4. iii. LEVI H2 LITTLETON, b. 27 Oct 1822, NC; d. 1903, Eastland Co, TX. > iv. MARY REBECCA LITTLETON, b. 8 May 1824, Concord, Cabarrus Co, NC; d. > 1919, Mt Pleasant, IL; m. DAVID S GRAY. > > Generation No. 2 > > 2. WILLIAM2 LITTLETON (THOMAS 'OLIVER?'1) was born 1805 in NC. He married > SARAH SCOTT 1828 in Sumner Co, TN. > > > Children of WILLIAM LITTLETON and SARAH SCOTT are: > 5. i. JAMES THOMAS3 LITTLETON, b. 1831, Sumner Co, TN. > ii. ELIZABETH LITTLETON, b. 1834. > iii. WILLIAM R LITTLETON, b. 1840. > iv. MARY J LITTLETON, b. 1842. > v. MARTHA LITTLETON, b. 1844. > vi. MILLY C LITTLETON, b. 1847. > > 3. JOHN A2 LITTLETON (THOMAS 'OLIVER?'1) was born 1807 in NC, and died 1877 > in TN. He married MARY 'POLLY' SCOTT , ?. > > More About JOHN A LITTLETON: > occ: Sheriff of Sumner Co, TN - 1852-1856 > > Children of JOHN LITTLETON and MARY SCOTT are: > i. WILLIAM3 LITTLETON, b. 1835, TN. > ii. MARY J LITTLETON, b. 1835, TN. > iii. JAMES LITTLETON, b. 1839, TN. > iv. JOHN LITTLETON, b. 1841, TN. > v. ELIZABETH LITTLETON, b. 1844, TN. > vi. THOMAS LITTLETON, b. 1846, TN. > vii. JONATHON LITTLETON, b. 1848, TN. > > 4. LEVI H2 LITTLETON (THOMAS 'OLIVER?'1) was born 27 Oct 1822 in NC, and > died 1903 in Eastland Co, TX. He married MARY JANE DAY 15 Oct 1846 in Sumner > Co, TN. > > More About LEVI H LITTLETON: > bur: Eastland Co, TX - Restland Cem > > More About MARY JANE DAY: > bur: Eastland Co, TX - Restland Cem > > Children of LEVI LITTLETON and MARY DAY are: > i. ISAAC3 LITTLETON, b. 1848, TN. > ii. ELIZABETH ANN LITTLETON, b. 16 Nov 1849, Hartsville, Sumner Co, TN; > d. 9 Apr 1923, Carbon, Eastland Co, TX; m. JESSE T THURMAN, 16 Mar 1866, > Hartsville, Sumner Co, TN. > iii. SARAH MITCHNER LITTLETON, b. 27 Jan 1873; m. JAMES CLARK > MCCLELLAN. > > Generation No. 3 > > 5. JAMES THOMAS3 LITTLETON (WILLIAM2, THOMAS 'OLIVER?'1) was born 1831 in > Sumner Co, TN. He married ALMIRA LUCRETTA FITS 1851 in Sumner Co, TN. > > Child of JAMES LITTLETON and ALMIRA FITS is: > 6. i. WILLIAM SANFORD4 LITTLETON, b. 1855, Castillian Springs, Sumner Co, > TN. > > Generation No. 4 > > 6. WILLIAM SANFORD4 LITTLETON (JAMES THOMAS3, WILLIAM2, THOMAS 'OLIVER?'1) > was born 1855 in Castillian Springs, Sumner Co, TN. > > Child of WILLIAM SANFORD LITTLETON is: > i. JAMES T5 LITTLETON. > ----------------------------------------- > > It looks like your Walker Robert would be a so far unknown (to me anyway HA > HA) brother of my William Sanford. > > I hope this fits. If you have more info that I have in the above, I'd sure > love to have it. DO you have any idea what County in NC these people came > from? Mecklerburg or Cabarrus by any chance??? This would be a GREAT help. > I'm trying to find the connection of a Thomas Shelby Littleton and an Arnold > Littleton from NC that went to Sumner Co, TN then on to IL. > > Look forward to hearing from you. > > Terry Littleton (listdad) > > > ==== LITTLETON Mailing List ==== > LITTLETON-L@rootsweb.com >

Thank You. Beth Littleton

Scott, You are absolutely correct. However, I take it that Mizner ment this as a joke and not a guide line. And then: "Remember when yer reading tha writin that feller that writ tha writin may not be writin tha reading right." Festus Hagen -- Gunsmoke Someone from a mail list sent this and I can't remember who. ----- Original Message ----- From: <yokatta@oxy.edu> To: <LITTLETON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, December 05, 1999 4:24 PM Subject: Re: your mail > On Sun, 5 Dec 1999, James Clanin wrote: > > > Found this on the internet. Jim > > > > When you take stuff from one writer it's > > plagiarism; but when you take it from many > > writers, it's research. > > > > Wilson Mizner > > > > > > > > ==== LITTLETON Mailing List ==== > > LITTLETON-L@rootsweb.com > > Ah, but Mizner's got it wrong! When publishing research of any sort, you > must ALWAYS explicitly cite your sources, giving page numbers, dates & > places of publication, volume numbers, etc., and either use quotation > marks or indentation when quoting passages verbatim. It becomes > plagiarism when you don't do this, whether you have one source or many. > > Cheers, > Scott > > C. SCOTT LITTLETON "Any sufficiently evolved > Professor of Anthropology technology is indistinguishable > Occidental College from magic." > Los Angeles, CA 90041 --Arthur C. Clarke > TEL (323) 259-2759 > FAX (323) 341-4969 "I think we're property...." > http://www.oxy.edu/~yokatta/home.htm --Charles Fort > > > > > ==== LITTLETON Mailing List ==== > LITTLETON-L@rootsweb.com > >

On Sun, 5 Dec 1999, James Clanin wrote: > Found this on the internet. Jim > > When you take stuff from one writer it's > plagiarism; but when you take it from many > writers, it's research. > > Wilson Mizner > > > > ==== LITTLETON Mailing List ==== > LITTLETON-L@rootsweb.com Ah, but Mizner's got it wrong! When publishing research of any sort, you must ALWAYS explicitly cite your sources, giving page numbers, dates & places of publication, volume numbers, etc., and either use quotation marks or indentation when quoting passages verbatim. It becomes plagiarism when you don't do this, whether you have one source or many. Cheers, Scott C. SCOTT LITTLETON "Any sufficiently evolved Professor of Anthropology technology is indistinguishable Occidental College from magic." Los Angeles, CA 90041 --Arthur C. Clarke TEL (323) 259-2759 FAX (323) 341-4969 "I think we're property...." http://www.oxy.edu/~yokatta/home.htm --Charles Fort

Found this on the internet. Jim When you take stuff from one writer it's plagiarism; but when you take it from many writers, it's research. Wilson Mizner

Jackie, Do you know what county they were from? Right now I'm working on three counties in NC. Onslow, Mecklenburg and Cabarrus counties. The Mecklenburg and Cararrus group is driving me nuts. The Onslow group we are getting a pretty good handle on. I can't find your James Monroe simply because most of my records aren't that recent. If you could give me some info on his parents and grandparents with names, dates and places, I probably can figure out (or come up with a good guess) as to where he fits in. Look foreard to hearing back from you. Terry Littleton (listdad)

I am a part of a Littleton clan from the NC area. My grandfather's name was James (Monroe-I think) Littleton. They centered around New Bern and Trenton in NC. James Littleton died about 1961 or 1962. Would this be the Littleton's in NC you are researching on? James Littleton had 13 children many of whom are still living. I am Thelma's daughter. Any of this sound like it fits? Jackie Dodson

Hi Monette, I THINK I might have some info for you and it appears that you have a new branch of info for me. Let's both hope so. I've been working the past several weeks on the Sumner Co, TN LITTLETON's because I have someone I'm trying to link up back to a NC group. Here is what I have that might be your group. - --------------------------------------------- Descendants of Thomas 'Oliver?' Littleton Generation No. 1 1. THOMAS 'OLIVER?'1 LITTLETON. He married (1) FIRST WIFE. He married (2) SECOND WIFE. More About THOMAS 'OLIVER?' LITTLETON: info: supposedly married three times so some of his sons are probably half-brothers. Children of THOMAS LITTLETON and FIRST WIFE are: 2. i. WILLIAM2 LITTLETON, b. 1805, NC. 3. ii. JOHN A LITTLETON, b. 1807, NC; d. 1877, TN. Children of THOMAS LITTLETON and SECOND WIFE are: 4. iii. LEVI H2 LITTLETON, b. 27 Oct 1822, NC; d. 1903, Eastland Co, TX. iv. MARY REBECCA LITTLETON, b. 8 May 1824, Concord, Cabarrus Co, NC; d. 1919, Mt Pleasant, IL; m. DAVID S GRAY. Generation No. 2 2. WILLIAM2 LITTLETON (THOMAS 'OLIVER?'1) was born 1805 in NC. He married SARAH SCOTT 1828 in Sumner Co, TN. Children of WILLIAM LITTLETON and SARAH SCOTT are: 5. i. JAMES THOMAS3 LITTLETON, b. 1831, Sumner Co, TN. ii. ELIZABETH LITTLETON, b. 1834. iii. WILLIAM R LITTLETON, b. 1840. iv. MARY J LITTLETON, b. 1842. v. MARTHA LITTLETON, b. 1844. vi. MILLY C LITTLETON, b. 1847. 3. JOHN A2 LITTLETON (THOMAS 'OLIVER?'1) was born 1807 in NC, and died 1877 in TN. He married MARY 'POLLY' SCOTT , ?. More About JOHN A LITTLETON: occ: Sheriff of Sumner Co, TN - 1852-1856 Children of JOHN LITTLETON and MARY SCOTT are: i. WILLIAM3 LITTLETON, b. 1835, TN. ii. MARY J LITTLETON, b. 1835, TN. iii. JAMES LITTLETON, b. 1839, TN. iv. JOHN LITTLETON, b. 1841, TN. v. ELIZABETH LITTLETON, b. 1844, TN. vi. THOMAS LITTLETON, b. 1846, TN. vii. JONATHON LITTLETON, b. 1848, TN. 4. LEVI H2 LITTLETON (THOMAS 'OLIVER?'1) was born 27 Oct 1822 in NC, and died 1903 in Eastland Co, TX. He married MARY JANE DAY 15 Oct 1846 in Sumner Co, TN. More About LEVI H LITTLETON: bur: Eastland Co, TX - Restland Cem More About MARY JANE DAY: bur: Eastland Co, TX - Restland Cem Children of LEVI LITTLETON and MARY DAY are: i. ISAAC3 LITTLETON, b. 1848, TN. ii. ELIZABETH ANN LITTLETON, b. 16 Nov 1849, Hartsville, Sumner Co, TN; d. 9 Apr 1923, Carbon, Eastland Co, TX; m. JESSE T THURMAN, 16 Mar 1866, Hartsville, Sumner Co, TN. iii. SARAH MITCHNER LITTLETON, b. 27 Jan 1873; m. JAMES CLARK MCCLELLAN. Generation No. 3 5. JAMES THOMAS3 LITTLETON (WILLIAM2, THOMAS 'OLIVER?'1) was born 1831 in Sumner Co, TN. He married ALMIRA LUCRETTA FITS 1851 in Sumner Co, TN. Child of JAMES LITTLETON and ALMIRA FITS is: 6. i. WILLIAM SANFORD4 LITTLETON, b. 1855, Castillian Springs, Sumner Co, TN. Generation No. 4 6. WILLIAM SANFORD4 LITTLETON (JAMES THOMAS3, WILLIAM2, THOMAS 'OLIVER?'1) was born 1855 in Castillian Springs, Sumner Co, TN. Child of WILLIAM SANFORD LITTLETON is: i. JAMES T5 LITTLETON. - --------------------------------------- It looks like your Walker Robert would be a so far unknown (to me anyway HA HA) brother of my William Sanford. I hope this fits. If you have more info that I have in the above, I'd sure love to have it. DO you have any idea what County in NC these people came from? Mecklerburg or Cabarrus by any chance??? This would be a GREAT help. I'm trying to find the connection of a Thomas Shelby Littleton and an Arnold Littleton from NC that went to Sumner Co, TN then on to IL. Look forward to hearing from you. Terry Littleton (listdad)

Sorry, I have no idea. I've been working on my roots so far and haven't ventured to my husband's family as yet. SC ----- Original Message ----- From: Cliff Otos <cgoslo@earthlink.net> To: <LITTLETON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 03, 1999 6:46 PM Subject: Re: I HAVE TO VENT!!! > Hi I noticed the message from Sonja Compton. Is she related to the Comptons of > Gwinnett Co. GA around 1820-30. Also I received some Bennett data from > decendants of people in GA and AL and Littleton was used as a middle name. > Since I have both Bennett and Littleton ancestors this interested me. Do you > have any info? Sandy Lee Otos > > Sonja Compton wrote: > > > I agree with you 100%. I have in the past however provided information to > > individuals that have posted this info on the internet using my name without > > my knowledge. Therefore, I do think that if someone plans to use the > > information provided them in such a public place that they should at least > > ask that person if he or she would mind first. I was a little upset because > > quite frankly alot of my information was not conclusive and was speculative > > and I did not have permission from individuals in the tree to publish > > information about them since I had not planned to do so and never thought > > ahead that someone else would. I enjoy being a part of the group, keep up > > the good work. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <TLTURBO@aol.com> > > To: <LITTLETON-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, December 02, 1999 5:07 AM > > Subject: I HAVE TO VENT!!! > > > > > OK, you have never seen me get upset about anything but I am now. This > > > subject has come up several times lately so I thought I'd explain my > > position > > > on it to all of you. Mainly, to be blunt, the newsgroup sponsor can > > > establish just about any guidlines for their list. Since I sponsor this > > > list, here is my guiedline on this subject. > > > > > > I have never encountered anyone on this list that has ever refused to > > provide > > > another LITTLETON researcher with whatever help they can provide. I am > > very > > > proud of all of you for your professional, courtious behavior. But a > > > situation developed about a month ago that resulted in my being REMOVED > > from > > > another surname newsgroup for disagreeing with the phylosophy of that > > lists > > > sponsor about divulging information on living people. I am writing this, > > > because I just found an important link to a LITTLETON line and wrote the > > > person that provided the info asking for more than the persons name and > > was > > > refused the info because the person was still living. This person was NOT > > a > > > subscriber to this list. A LITTLETON married into their family line. > > > > > > Now this is MY opinion, and therefor that of this list. I feel the world > > is > > > entirely too paranoid. Granted, there is the remote possibility that an > > > enraged, ex-spouse or a stalker MIGHT use a genealogy list to locate a > > > person, but I feel that possibility is remote. The people I have > > disagreed > > > with feel they do not want to be held responsible for giving someone like > > > this information that could lead to problems. I feel this possibility is > > > extremely remote and does a great disservice to all genealogists that are > > > looking for ancestors. > > > > > > How many of you have I, or others on this list, put you in touch with > > other > > > living cousins that have provided a wealth of info on your family? Quite > > a > > > few. What if I had refused to tell you, "OH YEAH, I know where you > > fathers > > > missing brother lives but I won't tell you?" Wouldn't you feel very > > > frustrated? > > > > > > I got into an argument with the sponsor of the Lower DL, MD, VA newsgroup > > > about this subject and she subsequently removed me from the list. Several > > > other people unsubscribed in my behalf which I greatly appreciated, but I > > > felt it was totally against the research ideals of all genealogists. > > After > > > all, we look to the ends of the earth for information, then are deprived > > of > > > vital contacts just because a person we find and want to contact is > > living? > > > > > > In actuality, with this attitude, none of us should be talking to each > > other > > > since we are all living. > > > > > > OK, now you know how I feel. I want you to know that if will not tolerate > > > anyone withholding information from another researcher. BUT I will NOT > > > remove someone for doing that, as everyone has a right to this list unless > > > they become a trouble maker by flaming, etc. But if this happens to you, > > > please contact me and if I have the info, you will gladly receive it. > > > > > > Thanks for letting me vent and explain my stand on this issue. I > > understand > > > it has been tossed around quite a bit in the Genealogy community and > > opinions > > > vary. Seems like opinions are strongly one way or the other. > > > > > > If anyone has any comments, feel free to make them, but PLEASE, don't let > > > this deteriorate into an argument. > > > > > > ALSO, would someone PLEASE come to SW Florida and take this darn 40 degree > > > weather away? It's not good for my bananas and papayas. HA HA > > > > > > Hope everyone has a great Holiday Season > > > > > > Terry Littleton - listdad > > > > > > > > > ==== LITTLETON Mailing List ==== > > > LITTLETON-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > ==== LITTLETON Mailing List ==== > > LITTLETON-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > ==== LITTLETON Mailing List ==== > LITTLETON-L@rootsweb.com >

I agree, we never want to loose any information, just keep it going. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Powys-Lybbe" <tim@southfrm.demon.co.uk> To: <LITTLETON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 04, 1999 5:21 AM Subject: Re: I HAVE TO VENT!!! > May I add from my family's experience in the last century. Several did > a load of research and had lots of interesting documents. A small part > of it got published. But the major player died, they way one does, and > now that the interest has been taken up again in this century, we find > that all his papers have been lost. > > So I take the view that anything I find and am reasonably confident of, > living relations apart, I will put on public view in the hope that lots > rip it off! That way it might not be lost. > > -- > Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@southfrm.demon.co.uk > For a patchwork of bygones: www.southfrm.demon.co.uk > > > > ==== LITTLETON Mailing List ==== > LITTLETON-L@rootsweb.com >

Sandy Lee Otos sent a message about LITTLETON saying saying she has LITTLETON ancestors. So do I. So far they have been located in Sumner Co and Henry Co., TN. My Father, Martin Van Buren LITTLETON, moved to TX from Henry Co., and stayed. His brother, James Yancy or J.Y., ended up in LA Their Father was Walker Robert, His father James Thomas, and his father William, born in NC in 1805. William's father was Thomas and said to have been born in England. I have the names of William, James and Walker's children. If this fits any of anyone's LITTLETON families, I would be happy to share. My recently deceased cousin did most if not all of the research and I have not verified most of it yet. I know that in the 1930's and 1940's we visited LITTLETON relatives in Oklahoma but am not sure my cousin included them in her research. Does anyone know of them? I do not have all this info entered into my computer and because of my 92 year old Mother and other responsibilities it will probably be Feb before I get to spend much time at the keyboard. Monette Grant This is what I read that I am replying to. (Cliff Otos <cgoslo@earthlink.net>) Hi- I noticed the message from Sonja Compton. Is she related to the Comptons of Gwinnett Co. GA around 1820-30. Also I received some Bennett data from decendants of people in GA and AL and Littleton was used as a middle name. Since I have both Bennett and Littleton ancestors this interested me. Do you have any info? Sandy Lee Otos

May I add from my family's experience in the last century. Several did a load of research and had lots of interesting documents. A small part of it got published. But the major player died, they way one does, and now that the interest has been taken up again in this century, we find that all his papers have been lost. So I take the view that anything I find and am reasonably confident of, living relations apart, I will put on public view in the hope that lots rip it off! That way it might not be lost. -- Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@southfrm.demon.co.uk For a patchwork of bygones: www.southfrm.demon.co.uk

Hi I noticed the message from Sonja Compton. Is she related to the Comptons of Gwinnett Co. GA around 1820-30. Also I received some Bennett data from decendants of people in GA and AL and Littleton was used as a middle name. Since I have both Bennett and Littleton ancestors this interested me. Do you have any info? Sandy Lee Otos Sonja Compton wrote: > I agree with you 100%. I have in the past however provided information to > individuals that have posted this info on the internet using my name without > my knowledge. Therefore, I do think that if someone plans to use the > information provided them in such a public place that they should at least > ask that person if he or she would mind first. I was a little upset because > quite frankly alot of my information was not conclusive and was speculative > and I did not have permission from individuals in the tree to publish > information about them since I had not planned to do so and never thought > ahead that someone else would. I enjoy being a part of the group, keep up > the good work. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <TLTURBO@aol.com> > To: <LITTLETON-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, December 02, 1999 5:07 AM > Subject: I HAVE TO VENT!!! > > > OK, you have never seen me get upset about anything but I am now. This > > subject has come up several times lately so I thought I'd explain my > position > > on it to all of you. Mainly, to be blunt, the newsgroup sponsor can > > establish just about any guidlines for their list. Since I sponsor this > > list, here is my guiedline on this subject. > > > > I have never encountered anyone on this list that has ever refused to > provide > > another LITTLETON researcher with whatever help they can provide. I am > very > > proud of all of you for your professional, courtious behavior. But a > > situation developed about a month ago that resulted in my being REMOVED > from > > another surname newsgroup for disagreeing with the phylosophy of that > lists > > sponsor about divulging information on living people. I am writing this, > > because I just found an important link to a LITTLETON line and wrote the > > person that provided the info asking for more than the persons name and > was > > refused the info because the person was still living. This person was NOT > a > > subscriber to this list. A LITTLETON married into their family line. > > > > Now this is MY opinion, and therefor that of this list. I feel the world > is > > entirely too paranoid. Granted, there is the remote possibility that an > > enraged, ex-spouse or a stalker MIGHT use a genealogy list to locate a > > person, but I feel that possibility is remote. The people I have > disagreed > > with feel they do not want to be held responsible for giving someone like > > this information that could lead to problems. I feel this possibility is > > extremely remote and does a great disservice to all genealogists that are > > looking for ancestors. > > > > How many of you have I, or others on this list, put you in touch with > other > > living cousins that have provided a wealth of info on your family? Quite > a > > few. What if I had refused to tell you, "OH YEAH, I know where you > fathers > > missing brother lives but I won't tell you?" Wouldn't you feel very > > frustrated? > > > > I got into an argument with the sponsor of the Lower DL, MD, VA newsgroup > > about this subject and she subsequently removed me from the list. Several > > other people unsubscribed in my behalf which I greatly appreciated, but I > > felt it was totally against the research ideals of all genealogists. > After > > all, we look to the ends of the earth for information, then are deprived > of > > vital contacts just because a person we find and want to contact is > living? > > > > In actuality, with this attitude, none of us should be talking to each > other > > since we are all living. > > > > OK, now you know how I feel. I want you to know that if will not tolerate > > anyone withholding information from another researcher. BUT I will NOT > > remove someone for doing that, as everyone has a right to this list unless > > they become a trouble maker by flaming, etc. But if this happens to you, > > please contact me and if I have the info, you will gladly receive it. > > > > Thanks for letting me vent and explain my stand on this issue. I > understand > > it has been tossed around quite a bit in the Genealogy community and > opinions > > vary. Seems like opinions are strongly one way or the other. > > > > If anyone has any comments, feel free to make them, but PLEASE, don't let > > this deteriorate into an argument. > > > > ALSO, would someone PLEASE come to SW Florida and take this darn 40 degree > > weather away? It's not good for my bananas and papayas. HA HA > > > > Hope everyone has a great Holiday Season > > > > Terry Littleton - listdad > > > > > > ==== LITTLETON Mailing List ==== > > LITTLETON-L@rootsweb.com > > > > ==== LITTLETON Mailing List ==== > LITTLETON-L@rootsweb.com

Terry: I know what you mean also, all these people who tell me they will share their information if I will share with them. When I send mine I get absolutely nothing back in return. I have even offered to pay for copies of pictures even if they are xeroxed, however, I do have some contacts that send me pictures in exchange for pictures which I do not mind at all. Pat

I agree with you 100%. I have in the past however provided information to individuals that have posted this info on the internet using my name without my knowledge. Therefore, I do think that if someone plans to use the information provided them in such a public place that they should at least ask that person if he or she would mind first. I was a little upset because quite frankly alot of my information was not conclusive and was speculative and I did not have permission from individuals in the tree to publish information about them since I had not planned to do so and never thought ahead that someone else would. I enjoy being a part of the group, keep up the good work. ----- Original Message ----- From: <TLTURBO@aol.com> To: <LITTLETON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 1999 5:07 AM Subject: I HAVE TO VENT!!! > OK, you have never seen me get upset about anything but I am now. This > subject has come up several times lately so I thought I'd explain my position > on it to all of you. Mainly, to be blunt, the newsgroup sponsor can > establish just about any guidlines for their list. Since I sponsor this > list, here is my guiedline on this subject. > > I have never encountered anyone on this list that has ever refused to provide > another LITTLETON researcher with whatever help they can provide. I am very > proud of all of you for your professional, courtious behavior. But a > situation developed about a month ago that resulted in my being REMOVED from > another surname newsgroup for disagreeing with the phylosophy of that lists > sponsor about divulging information on living people. I am writing this, > because I just found an important link to a LITTLETON line and wrote the > person that provided the info asking for more than the persons name and was > refused the info because the person was still living. This person was NOT a > subscriber to this list. A LITTLETON married into their family line. > > Now this is MY opinion, and therefor that of this list. I feel the world is > entirely too paranoid. Granted, there is the remote possibility that an > enraged, ex-spouse or a stalker MIGHT use a genealogy list to locate a > person, but I feel that possibility is remote. The people I have disagreed > with feel they do not want to be held responsible for giving someone like > this information that could lead to problems. I feel this possibility is > extremely remote and does a great disservice to all genealogists that are > looking for ancestors. > > How many of you have I, or others on this list, put you in touch with other > living cousins that have provided a wealth of info on your family? Quite a > few. What if I had refused to tell you, "OH YEAH, I know where you fathers > missing brother lives but I won't tell you?" Wouldn't you feel very > frustrated? > > I got into an argument with the sponsor of the Lower DL, MD, VA newsgroup > about this subject and she subsequently removed me from the list. Several > other people unsubscribed in my behalf which I greatly appreciated, but I > felt it was totally against the research ideals of all genealogists. After > all, we look to the ends of the earth for information, then are deprived of > vital contacts just because a person we find and want to contact is living? > > In actuality, with this attitude, none of us should be talking to each other > since we are all living. > > OK, now you know how I feel. I want you to know that if will not tolerate > anyone withholding information from another researcher. BUT I will NOT > remove someone for doing that, as everyone has a right to this list unless > they become a trouble maker by flaming, etc. But if this happens to you, > please contact me and if I have the info, you will gladly receive it. > > Thanks for letting me vent and explain my stand on this issue. I understand > it has been tossed around quite a bit in the Genealogy community and opinions > vary. Seems like opinions are strongly one way or the other. > > If anyone has any comments, feel free to make them, but PLEASE, don't let > this deteriorate into an argument. > > ALSO, would someone PLEASE come to SW Florida and take this darn 40 degree > weather away? It's not good for my bananas and papayas. HA HA > > Hope everyone has a great Holiday Season > > Terry Littleton - listdad > > > ==== LITTLETON Mailing List ==== > LITTLETON-L@rootsweb.com >

Are you refering to those items on Ancestor.Com and LDS World Family trees etc. that are marked private? I have seen those as well as posted trees on various lists that have still living descendents names marked as private. I do not understand why the trees are even mentioned on Ancestry.com and LDS etc., if no one can have access to them. I understand the concern about stalkers and identity thefts. I would be very disappointed if I found out about the existence of a living cousin and was blocked from contacting them. I have tried to imagine the reasons behind all the other privatized road blocks. From past experience I would surmise that #1 Some people have had their ancestry traced as far as they care to go with the project, are satisfied with the results and do not care to communicate with any currently unknown cousins. (hard to beleive but there are people like this). #2 There are celebrities,wealthy people,or people descended from infamous heritage that do not want the world to see their family ties. My own mother was very interested in and helping me with tracing various branches of our tree. She lost all interest when I discovered a wanted poster,circa 1870, for a g g uncle. That was enough to know about that branch,in her opinion. She would probably not communicate with anyone who said that they were a descendent of this man. I suppose in her mind the whole family must be misfits and scoundrels. #3 I have a relative in my Killabrew line that has produced erroneous information. In particular the ancestrat files that he had on line showed that my gg grandmother only had 2 children. She had 9. When I contacted him about this big error,her was not interested in correcting it. The entire file has been labeled private and I doubt that he ever changed it. #4 On the other hand I have met some distant cousins who have spent a lot of time and/or money on family research. They do not really want to let go of it any longer, because of some bad experiences, where they feel someone stole their research and called it their own. #5 I have also wondered(purely speculation) if some of the private files were created by professional genealogists that would prefer to be paid for the dispensation of the information that they had gathered? At any rate labeling ancestral files as private and then posting them on the net is cruel. It is not unlike setting out a candy dish and then telling guest not to touch it, because it is a private stash of delicacies. A great portion of my knowledge about our family's trees came from third cousins that I have never met. Thank God they were willing to share. Karen Kerr Searching for: KERR WORTHINGTION LITTLETON MCCULLOUGH BELL BLUE STOKES THRAWL MOORE MILLER FITCH HINSON HUDSON CAMPBELL PARKER PATRICK AINSWORTH DONOVAN KILLEBREW CRENSHAW WILSON LEWIS SWITZLER STEWART ZARAZUA ELROD