If I were to admin one or two lists...I'd still set my option to DISCARD non-subscriber SPAM. If RootsWeb didn't want me doing that the option wouldn't BE there. I guess my definition of PROPER and yours is not the same. Joan In a message dated 7/31/2012 8:07:56 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ian_marr@bigpond.net.au writes: Joan, The answer, to me, is obvious. Rather than not doing the job properly for all your lists, reduce the number of lists you admin so that you can do the job properly Regards, Ian MARR at 38° 24' 01.299" S by 142° 34' 11.9094" E; 11m above sea level This message can be considered to be in the public domain. The home of SW Victorian Cemetery indexes: http://home.vicnet.net.au/~marr/ Allansford Weather (10 min updates): http://home.vicnet.net.au/~marr/Weather/ Remember, to EVERY question in life, there is MORE than ONE correct answer. ----- Original Message ----- From: JYoung6180@aol.com To: ian_marr@bigpond.net.au ; listowners@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2012 9:54 AM Subject: Re: [LO] ADMIN NOTE: Ian- It was getting so that it would take me at the minimum 2 to 3 HOURS every day just to delete all the spam in pending requests. The setting to DISCARD is NOT discarding "anything that suits me" -- it is discarding 100% SPAM. There was NEVER a legit message there asking for help. I still get the accidental subscriber post that lands in pending requests for a variety of reasons and the moderated list member posts...those I'm more than happy to handle -- but the non-subscriber spam being DISCARDED is the setting I and many other admins CHOOSE (as long as we are not moderating the gateways) AND if RootsWeb had any qualms with admins setting non-subscriber posts to DISCARD they wouldn't have created this option specifically so we CAN have the spam discarded. That is why this option was created! I can do my "job" as admin MUCH better if I have that extra 2-3 hours a day to help people and tend to actual list functions than if I were to devote that time to deleting spam from more than 100 list pending requests. Joan In a message dated 7/31/2012 7:35:20 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ian_marr@bigpond.net.au writes: Joan, I've sat back for a while while you laud the concept of just "discarding" anything that doesn't suit you, and can't help wondering why you are a list administrator at all. I admin many lists which vary from very slow to relatively busy. There are many aspects to being an admin, and I try to do each justice. Welcoming new members, being sure I respond quickly to queries, publishing a list etiquette fact sheet, monitoring the messages, processing incorrectly addressed messages, dealing with the "pending" list and anything else that may come along. I regard each of these as an integral part of the job. They say any job worth doing is worth doing well. I just can't see how this is achieved if any of us decide we won't do certain aspects because it doesn't suit us. Regards, Ian MARR ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LISTOWNERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Joan, You are entirely correct. I have two lists that get about 6 or 8 messages per year. However, they get many hundreds of spam messages per year. It is a waste of my time to have to manually delete those hundreds of Non-Subscriber spam messages each day. I have those two lists set to discard Non-Subscriber spam. Not a single Good message has been discarded in several years now. All the Good messages get through immediately or are made available in Pending Requests. This option works very well for my lists, which are all properly attended to. Allen At 08:10 PM 07/31/12, you wrote: >If I were to admin one or two lists...I'd still set my option to DISCARD >non-subscriber SPAM. If RootsWeb didn't want me doing that the option >wouldn't BE there. > >I guess my definition of PROPER and yours is not the same. > >Joan > > >In a message dated 7/31/2012 8:07:56 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >ian_marr@bigpond.net.au writes: > >Joan, > >The answer, to me, is obvious. > >Rather than not doing the job properly for all your lists, reduce the >number of lists you admin so that you can do the job properly > >Regards, >Ian MARR >at 38° 24' 01.299" S by 142° 34' 11.9094" E; 11m above sea level > >This message can be considered to be in the public domain. > >The home of SW Victorian Cemetery indexes: http://home.vicnet.net.au/~marr/ >Allansford Weather (10 min updates): >http://home.vicnet.net.au/~marr/Weather/ >Remember, to EVERY question in life, there is MORE than ONE correct answer. >----- Original Message ----- >From: JYoung6180@aol.com >To: ian_marr@bigpond.net.au ; listowners@rootsweb.com >Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2012 9:54 AM >Subject: Re: [LO] ADMIN NOTE: > > >Ian- > >It was getting so that it would take me at the minimum 2 to 3 HOURS every >day just to delete all the spam in pending requests. The setting to DISCARD >is NOT discarding "anything that suits me" -- it is discarding 100% SPAM. >There was NEVER a legit message there asking for help. I still get the >accidental subscriber post that lands in pending requests for a variety of >reasons and the moderated list member posts...those I'm more than happy to >handle -- but the non-subscriber spam being DISCARDED is the setting I and >many other admins CHOOSE (as long as we are not moderating the gateways) AND >if RootsWeb had any qualms with admins setting non-subscriber posts to >DISCARD they wouldn't have created this >option specifically so we CAN have the >spam discarded. That is why this option was created! > >I can do my "job" as admin MUCH better if I have that extra 2-3 hours a >day to help people and tend to actual list >functions than if I were to devote >that time to deleting spam from more than 100 list pending requests. > >Joan > >In a message dated 7/31/2012 7:35:20 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >ian_marr@bigpond.net.au writes: >Joan, > >I've sat back for a while while you laud the concept of just "discarding" >anything that doesn't suit you, and can't help wondering why you are a >list >administrator at all. > >I admin many lists which vary from very slow to relatively busy. There >are >many aspects to being an admin, and I try to do each justice. Welcoming >new >members, being sure I respond quickly to queries, publishing a list >etiquette fact sheet, monitoring the messages, processing incorrectly >addressed messages, dealing with the "pending" list and anything else that >may come along. I regard each of these as an integral part of the job. > >They say any job worth doing is worth doing well. I just can't see how >this >is achieved if any of us decide we won't do certain aspects because it >doesn't suit us. > >Regards, >Ian MARR ---------- Allen Dew 919-471-3548
Allen and Joan, I agree. My lists (and boards) are small and the amount of real subscriber email is very light. However the spam (mostly to my -admin address, and only a few to -request) is 100 or 200 times the volume. I have not used DISCARD but maybe I should look into this. I have RW filters (whatever they may be), Yahoo (sbcglobal.net ISP) filters, and Microsoft Outlook filters (local mail handler), and MS Outlook wizard filters (personally set) and this helps a lot. Thanks, Joan, for bringing up again what is available to be used via RootsWeb. Peace, James R. Davis -----Original Message----- From: listowners-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:listowners-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Allen Dew Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 5:23 PM To: listowners@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LO] ADMIN NOTE: Joan, You are entirely correct. I have two lists that get about 6 or 8 messages per year. However, they get many hundreds of spam messages per year. It is a waste of my time to have to manually delete those hundreds of Non-Subscriber spam messages each day. I have those two lists set to discard Non-Subscriber spam. Not a single Good message has been discarded in several years now. All the Good messages get through immediately or are made available in Pending Requests. This option works very well for my lists, which are all properly attended to. Allen At 08:10 PM 07/31/12, you wrote: >If I were to admin one or two lists...I'd still set my option to >DISCARD non-subscriber SPAM. If RootsWeb didn't want me doing that the >option wouldn't BE there. > >I guess my definition of PROPER and yours is not the same. > >Joan > > >In a message dated 7/31/2012 8:07:56 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >ian_marr@bigpond.net.au writes: > >Joan, > >The answer, to me, is obvious. > >Rather than not doing the job properly for all your lists, reduce the >number of lists you admin so that you can do the job properly > >Regards, >Ian MARR >at 38° 24' 01.299" S by 142° 34' 11.9094" E; 11m above sea level > >This message can be considered to be in the public domain. > >The home of SW Victorian Cemetery indexes: >http://home.vicnet.net.au/~marr/ Allansford Weather (10 min updates): >http://home.vicnet.net.au/~marr/Weather/ >Remember, to EVERY question in life, there is MORE than ONE correct answer. >----- Original Message ----- >From: JYoung6180@aol.com >To: ian_marr@bigpond.net.au ; listowners@rootsweb.com >Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2012 9:54 AM >Subject: Re: [LO] ADMIN NOTE: > > >Ian- > >It was getting so that it would take me at the minimum 2 to 3 HOURS >every day just to delete all the spam in pending requests. The setting >to DISCARD is NOT discarding "anything that suits me" -- it is discarding 100% SPAM. >There was NEVER a legit message there asking for help. I still get the >accidental subscriber post that lands in pending requests for a >variety of reasons and the moderated list member posts...those I'm >more than happy to handle -- but the non-subscriber spam being >DISCARDED is the setting I and many other admins CHOOSE (as long as we >are not moderating the gateways) AND if RootsWeb had any qualms with >admins setting non-subscriber posts to DISCARD they wouldn't have >created this option specifically so we CAN have the spam discarded. >That is why this option was created! > >I can do my "job" as admin MUCH better if I have that extra 2-3 hours >a day to help people and tend to actual list functions than if I were >to devote that time to deleting spam from more than 100 list pending >requests. > >Joan > >In a message dated 7/31/2012 7:35:20 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >ian_marr@bigpond.net.au writes: >Joan, > >I've sat back for a while while you laud the concept of just "discarding" >anything that doesn't suit you, and can't help wondering why you are a >list administrator at all. > >I admin many lists which vary from very slow to relatively busy. >There are many aspects to being an admin, and I try to do each >justice. Welcoming new members, being sure I respond quickly to >queries, publishing a list etiquette fact sheet, monitoring the >messages, processing incorrectly addressed messages, dealing with the >"pending" list and anything else that may come along. I regard each >of these as an integral part of the job. > >They say any job worth doing is worth doing well. I just can't see >how this is achieved if any of us decide we won't do certain aspects >because it doesn't suit us. > >Regards, >Ian MARR ---------- Allen Dew 919-471-3548 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LISTOWNERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Greetings: The fly in the ointment of the auto-discard option is this; on my lists, I was getting more crud that actually got posted to the list through the gateway than by any other route. And yet, I got -- and still get -- a fair amount of non-subscriber but "real" messages posted to the boards as well. So, for me, for my lists, in order to serve my subscribers well I have to moderate the boards gateways (it really isn't moderating, of course) AND actually process my pending requests, in a timely manner. As a result the auto-discard option is, to put it bluntly, not an option I can even consider. This is **not** a complaint. Nor is it a campaign for others to "moderate" their own board gateways. How I do it works for me, and it may not for you. But perhaps it will provide some insight into why some of us "don't just change our settings" even though we are aggravated by all the -admin address crud. Darrell
Just another reminder that those of you who run Linux or bsd/Mac can easily use the command-line application "listadmin" for all your Rootsweb lists, and any other Mailman lists on another server you might also administer. It takes less than a minute to deal with spam (hit return for each one you wish to discard) even for lists with lots of it. And it goes automatically to the next list until you are done. I just need to use the webform for people to whom I want to respond to directly, such as those whose posts I'm rejecting for one reason or another. So much faster with all the spam discarded already. For more information, see my blog post about it: http://linuxgrandma.blogspot.com/2011/09/are-you-listowner-try-listadmin-cli.html Valorie On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 5:10 PM, <JYoung6180@aol.com> wrote: > If I were to admin one or two lists...I'd still set my option to DISCARD > non-subscriber SPAM. If RootsWeb didn't want me doing that the option > wouldn't BE there. ::massive snip::