How do you explain to a subscriber who is subscribed from her work address that it was (I presume) her boss and not RW who has rejected her incoming mail, ultimately causing her to bounce off not only my list but others as well? I keep all bounce and sub/unsub notices for several weeks for just this reason, and she clearly bounced off the list because her ISP (her employer) began returning her list mail as undeliverable, not only for my list but for an unknown number of others, and she wants me to put her back on them. :-( I've explained I am only capable of doing that for one of the lists that I happen to admin, but suggested she might want to resub herself using a personal email account. I am not sure I want to suggest talking to her boss about it at this point, although I suppose that is an option. :-( Several years ago, I had a sort of similar situation only I had received a message from a manager or some such in the asking me to unsub an address from a business account. I got advice at the time from RW asking what I should do, because I was not comfortable doing on request of "a third party" and I was told to go ahead and do it, or the Listmaster (not the current one) said he would do it if I preferred. Interesting situation, to say the least, but as a former employee of the Pentagon I know some organizations do monitor (AKA read it) incoming and outgoing email for security reasons. David E. Cann decann@infionline.net

Hello David, As you probably remember it is officially fraud, waste, and abuse to use government equipment and time for personal use. It is up to each organizations management to dictate to their IT departments on how much they will tolerate. When use becomes excessive they must crack down on be subject to being accused of collaborating with miss-use of government equipment. I'm finally retired but where I worked there were filters for pornography but not for investments or for genealogy. There could have been filters on these or other topics but I didn't know about them. However our IT specialist monitored all use and would send out friendly notices to cut back or be reported to their supervisor or higher. This was enough to keep things under control. Our management did get reports on a routine basis of attacks from outside sources and abuse by employees. I worked as a civil servant for the U.S. Air Force. Peace, Jim -----Original Message----- From: listowners-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:listowners-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of David E. Cann Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 1:36 PM To: Listowners List Posting Subject: [LO] Removed by her employer? How do you explain to a subscriber who is subscribed from her work address that it was (I presume) her boss and not RW who has rejected her incoming mail, ultimately causing her to bounce off not only my list but others as well? I keep all bounce and sub/unsub notices for several weeks for just this reason, and she clearly bounced off the list because her ISP (her employer) began returning her list mail as undeliverable, not only for my list but for an unknown number of others, and she wants me to put her back on them. :-( I've explained I am only capable of doing that for one of the lists that I happen to admin, but suggested she might want to resub herself using a personal email account. I am not sure I want to suggest talking to her boss about it at this point, although I suppose that is an option. :-( Several years ago, I had a sort of similar situation only I had received a message from a manager or some such in the asking me to unsub an address from a business account. I got advice at the time from RW asking what I should do, because I was not comfortable doing on request of "a third party" and I was told to go ahead and do it, or the Listmaster (not the current one) said he would do it if I preferred. Interesting situation, to say the least, but as a former employee of the Pentagon I know some organizations do monitor (AKA read it) incoming and outgoing email for security reasons. David E. Cann decann@infionline.net ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LISTOWNERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jim, I didn't mean to leave the impression this was a government office, because it wasn't that I know of. In my own personal case it was DOD and we all knew the security rules and that there is little expectation of privacy, except on a secure account. The earlier example happened to be a lawyer's office who asked me to unsub their employee, but that kind of surprised me. This one today with the lady complaining at being unsubbed was just a commercial business of some sort, nothing out of the ordinary. David E. Cann decann@infionline.net -----Original Message----- From: James R. Davis [mailto:james.davis1@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 5:32 PM To: 'David E. Cann'; 'Listowners List Posting' Subject: RE: [LO] Removed by her employer? Hello David, As you probably remember it is officially fraud, waste, and abuse to use government equipment and time for personal use. It is up to each organizations management to dictate to their IT departments on how much they will tolerate. When use becomes excessive they must crack down on be subject to being accused of collaborating with miss-use of government equipment. I'm finally retired but where I worked there were filters for pornography but not for investments or for genealogy. There could have been filters on these or other topics but I didn't know about them. However our IT specialist monitored all use and would send out friendly notices to cut back or be reported to their supervisor or higher. This was enough to keep things under control. Our management did get reports on a routine basis of attacks from outside sources and abuse by employees. I worked as a civil servant for the U.S. Air Force. Peace, Jim

Companies have the right to set limits on use of email for non-company business. To date, over 10 years, I received 2 or 3 requests to remove such email addresses from mailing lists. Lucky ones? owners of businesses can use business account for their own ends and they usually set examples to employees on when to use for personal matters. David Samuelsen On 7/17/2012 4:28 PM, David E. Cann wrote: > Jim, > > I didn't mean to leave the impression this was a government office, because > it wasn't that I know of. In my own personal case it was DOD and we all > knew the security rules and that there is little expectation of privacy, > except on a secure account. The earlier example happened to be a lawyer's > office who asked me to unsub their employee, but that kind of surprised me. > This one today with the lady complaining at being unsubbed was just a > commercial business of some sort, nothing out of the ordinary. > > > David E. Cann > decann@infionline.net

The people that use their business email accounts are the ones most likely to send "Out of the Office" replies. And as we know, that is a vicious cycle. Get them on moderation right away. Gene At 03:35 PM 7/17/2012, David E. Cann wrote: >How do you explain to a subscriber who is subscribed from her work address >that it was (I presume) her boss and not RW who has rejected her incoming >mail, ultimately causing her to bounce off not only my list but others as >well? I keep all bounce and sub/unsub notices for several weeks for just >this reason, and she clearly bounced off the list because her ISP (her >employer) began returning her list mail as undeliverable, not only for my >list but for an unknown number of others, and she wants me to put her back >on them. :-( > >I've explained I am only capable of doing that for one of the lists that I >happen to admin, but suggested she might want to resub herself using a >personal email account. I am not sure I want to suggest talking to her boss >about it at this point, although I suppose that is an option. :-( > >Several years ago, I had a sort of similar situation only I had received a >message from a manager or some such in the asking me to unsub an address >from a business account. I got advice at the time from RW asking what I >should do, because I was not comfortable doing on request of "a third party" >and I was told to go ahead and do it, or the Listmaster (not the current >one) said he would do it if I preferred. Interesting situation, to say the >least, but as a former employee of the Pentagon I know some organizations do >monitor (AKA read it) incoming and outgoing email for security reasons. > > >David E. Cann >decann@infionline.net > > > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LISTOWNERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I think you gave her good advise. Don't use her work email since they won't allow it, and get a free web account. It will do no good to resub her work address because it will only bounce off again, and only she can take charge of her mailing list activity. I bet her employer has already talked to her about personal emails! But there is nothing that you can do. I commend you for doing a good job at being an admin. Joan On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 4:35 PM, David E. Cann <decann@infionline.net> wrote: > How do you explain to a subscriber who is subscribed from her work address > that it was (I presume) her boss and not RW who has rejected her incoming > mail, ultimately causing her to bounce off not only my list but others as > well? I keep all bounce and sub/unsub notices for several weeks for just > this reason, and she clearly bounced off the list because her ISP (her > employer) began returning her list mail as undeliverable, not only for my > list but for an unknown number of others, and she wants me to put her back > on them. :-( > > I've explained I am only capable of doing that for one of the lists that I > happen to admin, but suggested she might want to resub herself using a > personal email account. I am not sure I want to suggest talking to her boss > about it at this point, although I suppose that is an option. :-( > > Several years ago, I had a sort of similar situation only I had received a > message from a manager or some such in the asking me to unsub an address > from a business account. I got advice at the time from RW asking what I > should do, because I was not comfortable doing on request of "a third party" > and I was told to go ahead and do it, or the Listmaster (not the current > one) said he would do it if I preferred. Interesting situation, to say the > least, but as a former employee of the Pentagon I know some organizations do > monitor (AKA read it) incoming and outgoing email for security reasons. > > > David E. Cann > decann@infionline.net > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LISTOWNERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message