Drew- I agree that this topic is drifting off course for admins...but it did start in reference to advising and dealing with subscribers getting their email accounts hacked and posting spam to our lists. If admins can be well informed in handling these situations it is all for the better. Joan In a message dated 2/25/2013 10:22:56 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, drewsmithtpa@gmail.com writes: I upgraded my Firefox to 19, but it did not disable my Java add-on. In any event, I don't see this as relevant to managing my lists. List subscribers should not be turning to a list administrator as the go-to person to advise on computer security issues. Drew Smith