AGAIN, I am no longer receiving list mail at my att.net addresses. The posts from me at my att.net address are in the archives, but I am not receiving them as list posts, I have checked my webmail for posts held as spam and they are not there. Anyone else noticed a problem again with ATT and the baby bells? Pat Asher

I am definitely receiving some of them. Just last night I was corresponding with MOPerry. Plus I am receiving from at least 3 other lists - all in the past 3 days. I'm thinking it is working fine for me. I am testing a few other lists with this e-mail. Mike On 11/5/2018 4:42 PM, Pat Asher wrote: > AGAIN, I am no longer receiving list mail at my att.net addresses. The > posts from me at my att.net address are in the archives, but I am not > receiving them as list posts, I have checked my webmail for posts held > as spam and they are not there. > > Anyone else noticed a problem again with ATT and the baby bells? > > > Pat Asher

I managed 6 lists. I sent an announcement to all 6 the other day. One message showed up in about 30 mins, the second message took over 3 hours. The other 4 lists have not come through although all of them show up in the archives. I am not on ATT. John Taylor On 11/5/2018 5:02 PM, Mike Flannigan wrote: > > I am definitely receiving some of them. > Just last night I was corresponding with MOPerry. > Plus I am receiving from at least 3 other lists - > all in the past 3 days. > > I'm thinking it is working fine for me. > I am testing a few other lists with this e-mail. > > > > Mike > > > > On 11/5/2018 4:42 PM, Pat Asher wrote: >> AGAIN, I am no longer receiving list mail at my att.net addresses. >> The posts from me at my att.net address are in the archives, but I am >> not receiving them as list posts, I have checked my webmail for posts >> held as spam and they are not there. >> >> Anyone else noticed a problem again with ATT and the baby bells? >> >> >> Pat Asher > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/listowners@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY  Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal > RootsWeb community

At 06:08 PM 11/5/2018, John Taylor wrote: >I managed 6 lists. I sent an announcement to all 6 the other day. >One message showed up in about 30 mins, the second message took over >3 hours. The other 4 lists have not come through although all of >them show up in the archives. I am not on ATT. Administrative mail (notices of subs, unsubs, held posts, etc.) are being delivered to my ATT address. Posts are not. Today is when I discovered I had not received several posts starting yesterday afternoon. Something changed then. Guessing it is a header problem i.e. a disparity between the poster's email vs.the sender, rootsweb.com Pat Asher

Pat, did you receive the post to LO that you made, or the replies? I'm doing a reply to list and as a CC directly to you... It might help Anne when she digs back into the problem... Jan B On Mon, Nov 5, 2018 at 2:42 PM, Pat Asher <pasher@ee.net> wrote: > AGAIN, I am no longer receiving list mail at my att.net addresses. The > posts from me at my att.net address are in the archives, but I am not > receiving them as list posts, I have checked my webmail for posts held as > spam and they are not there. > > Anyone else noticed a problem again with ATT and the baby bells? > > > Pat Asher > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/listowners@rootsw > eb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

I don't know about ATT, but I use gmail. It is too clever by half. If I send a message to the list I manage (South-Africa), gmail blocks the relay of that message from Rootsweb. It's not a Rootsweb problem. If others send messages to the list, the relays come through fine. INAL (I am not a Luddite), but it seems we are being inundated by useless "features" that are infuriatingly complex to figure out. Keith On Mon, Nov 5, 2018 at 6:33 PM Bony, Jan <jbony@ochoco.com> wrote: > Pat, did you receive the post to LO that you made, or the replies? I'm > doing a reply to list and as a CC directly to you... It might help Anne > when she digs back into the problem... > > Jan B > > On Mon, Nov 5, 2018 at 2:42 PM, Pat Asher <pasher@ee.net> wrote: > > > AGAIN, I am no longer receiving list mail at my att.net addresses. The > > posts from me at my att.net address are in the archives, but I am not > > receiving them as list posts, I have checked my webmail for posts held as > > spam and they are not there. > > > > Anyone else noticed a problem again with ATT and the baby bells? > > > > > > Pat Asher > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/listowners@rootsw > > eb.com > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > > community > > > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/listowners@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > -- +1.248.891.6434 Michigan, USA (Eastern Time)

Hi Keith I had to google INAL ;-) Can you expand on what you mean by not relaying via gmail? I use gmail and as far as I can see its working as it should (unlike it seems like many others) I agree that there are certain "features" imposed upon us like gmail not accepting copies of your own posts (or is that what you mean in your post?) In their words "to stop clutter in my inbox" I think I should be the judge of that not they ;-) Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 06/11/2018 07:35, Keith Meintjes wrote: > I don't know about ATT, but I use gmail. It is too clever by half. > > If I send a message to the list I manage (South-Africa), gmail blocks the > relay of that message from Rootsweb. > It's not a Rootsweb problem. If others send messages to the list, the > relays come through fine. > > INAL (I am not a Luddite), but it seems we are being inundated by useless > "features" that are infuriatingly > complex to figure out. > > Keith

Nivard, Yes. IANAL is I Am Not A Lawyer. I substituted Luddite. The gmail issue is as you describe. If I post a message to the list, I do not get a copy relayed back to me. Including myself in the cc list to force a copy in my inbox is not the same as seeing the message as Rootsweb comprehended it. Fonts and tabs can conspire to garble a message. I already pay Google for extra storage on Google Drive and in my e-mail. I don't need them to be my Mother and judge what is "clutter" or not. There seem to be a number of features and settings on Rootsweb that a) Do not work b) Do not work as expected c) Interact with other settings in unexpected and curious ways. I am taking the path of least resistance, which is simply to accept the settings I was given, and then try to understand the behavior. I have no confidence that my changing a setting will result in a more desirable outcome. By the way, we leave on Friday for 18 days in ZA. Keith On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 4:24 AM Nivard Ovington <ovington.one@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi Keith > > I had to google INAL ;-) > > Can you expand on what you mean by not relaying via gmail? > > I use gmail and as far as I can see its working as it should (unlike it > seems like many others) > > I agree that there are certain "features" imposed upon us like gmail not > accepting copies of your own posts (or is that what you mean in your post?) > > In their words "to stop clutter in my inbox" > > I think I should be the judge of that not they ;-) > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > On 06/11/2018 07:35, Keith Meintjes wrote: > > I don't know about ATT, but I use gmail. It is too clever by half. > > > > If I send a message to the list I manage (South-Africa), gmail blocks the > > relay of that message from Rootsweb. > > It's not a Rootsweb problem. If others send messages to the list, the > > relays come through fine. > > > > INAL (I am not a Luddite), but it seems we are being inundated by useless > > "features" that are infuriatingly > > complex to figure out. > > > > Keith > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/listowners@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > -- +1.248.891.6434 Michigan, USA (Eastern Time)

Hi Keith It seems to me that most things are working in Rootsweb Differently than they did I will grant you, but thats progress (?) The archives are a shadow of what they once were for example It seems to me that much of the problem that is posted is due to list owners not understanding how the system works, not their fault I might add as there are no tutorials or "how to's" In the dim distant past I wrote an operational manual under BS5750 if anyone remembers that Thats what we list owners could do with now instead of us all having to learn the system in braille So what are the settings that are not working for you ? Enjoy your trip, not that you need me to tell you that ;-) Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 06/11/2018 15:05, Keith Meintjes wrote: > Nivard, > > Yes. IANAL is I Am Not A Lawyer. I substituted Luddite. > > The gmail issue is as you describe. If I post a message to the list, I do > not get a copy relayed back to me. > > Including myself in the cc list to force a copy in my inbox is not the same > as seeing the message as Rootsweb comprehended it. > Fonts and tabs can conspire to garble a message. > > I already pay Google for extra storage on Google Drive and in my e-mail. I > don't need them to be my Mother and judge what is "clutter" or not. > > There seem to be a number of features and settings on Rootsweb that > a) Do not work > b) Do not work as expected > c) Interact with other settings in unexpected and curious ways. > > I am taking the path of least resistance, which is simply to accept the > settings I was given, and then try to understand the behavior. > > I have no confidence that my changing a setting will result in a more > desirable outcome. > > By the way, we leave on Friday for 18 days in ZA. > > Keith

Nivard, I am too overwhelmed right now, with my trip starting on Friday. Here's a start on your "How to" list: Post a header for each message. Post a footer for each message. Post a welcome for new members. Set to accept new subscribers with no intervention. Set to auto-reply to non-subscribers that messages from non-subscribers are not accepted, with clear instructions on how to subscribe. Keith On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 4:36 PM Nivard Ovington <ovington.one@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Keith > > It seems to me that most things are working in Rootsweb > > Differently than they did I will grant you, but thats progress (?) > > The archives are a shadow of what they once were for example > > It seems to me that much of the problem that is posted is due to list > owners not understanding how the system works, not their fault I might > add as there are no tutorials or "how to's" > > In the dim distant past I wrote an operational manual under BS5750 if > anyone remembers that > > Thats what we list owners could do with now instead of us all having to > learn the system in braille > > So what are the settings that are not working for you ? > > Enjoy your trip, not that you need me to tell you that ;-) > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > On 06/11/2018 15:05, Keith Meintjes wrote: > > Nivard, > > > > Yes. IANAL is I Am Not A Lawyer. I substituted Luddite. > > > > The gmail issue is as you describe. If I post a message to the list, I do > > not get a copy relayed back to me. > > > > Including myself in the cc list to force a copy in my inbox is not the > same > > as seeing the message as Rootsweb comprehended it. > > Fonts and tabs can conspire to garble a message. > > > > I already pay Google for extra storage on Google Drive and in my e-mail. > I > > don't need them to be my Mother and judge what is "clutter" or not. > > > > There seem to be a number of features and settings on Rootsweb that > > a) Do not work > > b) Do not work as expected > > c) Interact with other settings in unexpected and curious ways. > > > > I am taking the path of least resistance, which is simply to accept the > > settings I was given, and then try to understand the behavior. > > > > I have no confidence that my changing a setting will result in a more > > desirable outcome. > > > > By the way, we leave on Friday for 18 days in ZA. > > > > Keith > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/listowners@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > -- +1.248.891.6434 Michigan, USA (Eastern Time)

Keith, go to each list you subscribe to or to your global settings change to allow post back to you. Gmail has nothing to do with this as I have the alternative address (gmail) and I do get them back. David Samuelsen On 11/6/2018 8:05 AM, Keith Meintjes wrote: > Nivard, > > Yes. IANAL is I Am Not A Lawyer. I substituted Luddite. > > The gmail issue is as you describe. If I post a message to the list, I do > not get a copy relayed back to me.

Hi David Sorry but thats wrong Its nothing to do with Mailman settings Gmail is the culprit here, gmail does not receive a copy of your own posts if sent from a gmail address There was once a tweak that would override that and receive that copy, at some point a while back something changed and that stopped, I couldn't be bothered going through it again so I Bcc a copy of every post back to myself It doesn't prove its hit the list but at least keeps a thread in order in my inbox Gmails excuse is "to save clutter in my inbox" I rather feel I should be the judge of that Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 10/11/2018 01:29, W David Samuelsen wrote: > Keith, go to each list you subscribe to or to your global settings > > change to allow post back to you. Gmail has nothing to do with this as I > have the alternative address (gmail) and I do get them back. > > David Samuelsen > > On 11/6/2018 8:05 AM, Keith Meintjes wrote: >> Nivard, >> >> Yes. IANAL is I Am Not A Lawyer. I substituted Luddite. >> >> The gmail issue is as you describe. If I post a message to the list, I do >> not get a copy relayed back to me.

Keith, I really do not like the new addition of Gmail. It also like to write your posts, drives me nuts but I shut that feature off.

Pat, It may not be a Rootsweb problem. My cousin switched from AT & T to gmail and set up a pop forward so her AT & T mail was to go to her mew gmail account. The other day she looked at her old A T & T account and there were a bunch of messages in there that had never forwarded. Janet On Mon, Nov 5, 2018 at 10:43 PM Pat Asher <pasher@ee.net> wrote: > AGAIN, I am no longer receiving list mail at my att.net addresses. > The posts from me at my att.net address are in the archives, but I am > not receiving them as list posts, I have checked my webmail for posts > held as spam and they are not there. > > Anyone else noticed a problem again with ATT and the baby bells? > > > Pat Asher > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/listowners@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

On Tue, 06 Nov 2018 09:25:01 -0000, Janet Crawford <reojan@gmail.com> wrote: > Pat, It may not be a Rootsweb problem. My cousin switched from AT & T to > gmail and set up a pop forward so her AT & T mail was to go to her mew > gmail account. The other day she looked at her old A T & T account and > there were a bunch of messages in there that had never forwarded. I suspect strongly that ending needs rewording ... that had been forwarded but had never shown up in gmail. Malcolm. -- Malcolm Austen <malcolm.austen@weald.org.uk>

Malcolm, I think if they had been forwarded they would have been gone forever from A T & T AND then never appeared in gmail. They did, however, remain in A T & T. There was no notice that the forwarded messages had been bounced back from gmail. Janet On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 10:01 AM Malcolm Austen <malcolm.austen@weald.org.uk> wrote: > On Tue, 06 Nov 2018 09:25:01 -0000, Janet Crawford <reojan@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Pat, It may not be a Rootsweb problem. My cousin switched from AT & T to > > gmail and set up a pop forward so her AT & T mail was to go to her mew > > gmail account. The other day she looked at her old A T & T account and > > there were a bunch of messages in there that had never forwarded. > > I suspect strongly that ending needs rewording ... that had been > forwarded but had never shown up in gmail. > > Malcolm. > > -- > Malcolm Austen <malcolm.austen@weald.org.uk> > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/listowners@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

On Tue, 06 Nov 2018 11:43:57 -0000, Janet Crawford <reojan@gmail.com> wrote: > Malcolm, I think if they had been forwarded they would have been gone > forever from A T & T AND then never appeared in gmail. They did, however, > remain in A T & T. Hi Janet, I read your email to imply that the ATT account did contain messages that had been forwarded. If the fowarding is set to not retain a copy on ATT, then evidently the problem lies with ATT. > There was no notice that the forwarded messages had been bounced back > from gmail. The usual gmail issue is one that involves no rejection messages. It silently bins any incoming email that is a duplicate of one it already has. Two routine scenarios: 1) You post to a list from gmail, gmail has the outgoing email and so discards (silently) the return copy from the list 2) The same email is sent to two lists that you subscribe to. One arrives and one doesn't because the second inbound copy is discarded (silently) as a duplicate. Malcolm. > On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 10:01 AM Malcolm Austen > <malcolm.austen@weald.org.uk> > wrote: > >> On Tue, 06 Nov 2018 09:25:01 -0000, Janet Crawford <reojan@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> > Pat, It may not be a Rootsweb problem. My cousin switched from AT & T >> to >> > gmail and set up a pop forward so her AT & T mail was to go to her mew >> > gmail account. The other day she looked at her old A T & T account and >> > there were a bunch of messages in there that had never forwarded. >> >> I suspect strongly that ending needs rewording ... that had been >> forwarded but had never shown up in gmail. >> >> Malcolm. >> >> -- >> Malcolm Austen <malcolm.austen@weald.org.uk> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> Unsubscribe >> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/listowners@rootsweb.com >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb >> community >> > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/listowners@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community -- Malcolm Austen <malcolm.austen@weald.org.uk>

Mine ATT Rootsweb email is still working. I am at pacbell.com which switched over to ATT almost 20 yrs ago.