I haven't seen any posts for a couple of days Is there an issue?

Well, if you want an issue, I am getting requests to confirm subscriptions though they are supposed to be set to be approved automatically. Keith On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 8:58 PM Constance Chappell Horne < constancehorne@gmail.com> wrote: > I haven't seen any posts for a couple of days > Is there an issue? > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/listowners@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > -- +1.248.891.6434 Michigan, USA (Eastern Time)

Me too. I have just been letting them sit there since I don't know why they are not going through automatically. Constance On Fri, Nov 2, 2018, 10:30 PM Keith Meintjes <kmeintjes@gmail.com wrote: > Well, if you want an issue, I am getting requests to confirm subscriptions > though they are > supposed to be set to be approved automatically. > > Keith > > On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 8:58 PM Constance Chappell Horne < > constancehorne@gmail.com> wrote: > > > I haven't seen any posts for a couple of days > > Is there an issue? > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe > > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/listowners@rootsweb.com > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > > community > > > > > -- > +1.248.891.6434 > Michigan, USA (Eastern Time) > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/listowners@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

If you have "Subscription Policy" set for "Confirm" The would be subscriber has to respond to the subscribe request email that comes to them If they don't the subscription request will sit in "Subscription requests" until they confirm the subscribe or the admin actions it If the would be subscriber confirms the email the subscribe request disappears Or the admin can manually Accept Reject or Discard the subscription request Could it be that the confirmation email sent to the would be subscriber has ended up in spam ? To my mind if the email address looks okay the admin can email the would be subscriber to ask if they meant to subscribe (they may be blissfully unaware they are not subscribed) If the email address looks unlike a potential researcher the admin can discard it Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 03/11/2018 02:30, Keith Meintjes wrote: > Well, if you want an issue, I am getting requests to confirm subscriptions > though they are > supposed to be set to be approved automatically. > > Keith

Nivard, Thank you for the explanation. Keith On Sat, Nov 3, 2018 at 10:09 AM Nivard Ovington <ovington.one@gmail.com> wrote: > If you have "Subscription Policy" set for "Confirm" > > The would be subscriber has to respond to the subscribe request email > that comes to them > > If they don't the subscription request will sit in "Subscription > requests" until they confirm the subscribe or the admin actions it > > If the would be subscriber confirms the email the subscribe request > disappears > > Or the admin can manually Accept Reject or Discard the subscription request > > Could it be that the confirmation email sent to the would be subscriber > has ended up in spam ? > > To my mind if the email address looks okay the admin can email the would > be subscriber to ask if they meant to subscribe (they may be blissfully > unaware they are not subscribed) > > If the email address looks unlike a potential researcher the admin can > discard it > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > On 03/11/2018 02:30, Keith Meintjes wrote: > > Well, if you want an issue, I am getting requests to confirm > subscriptions > > though they are > > supposed to be set to be approved automatically. > > > > Keith > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/listowners@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > -- +1.248.891.6434 Michigan, USA (Eastern Time)

Looked like he completely missed the requested topic. "Set to post automatically but asking for confirm" looks like its still a core issue. Program not working. On Sat, Nov 3, 2018, 9:10 AM Keith Meintjes <kmeintjes@gmail.com wrote: > Nivard, > > Thank you for the explanation. > > Keith > > On Sat, Nov 3, 2018 at 10:09 AM Nivard Ovington <ovington.one@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > If you have "Subscription Policy" set for "Confirm" > > > > The would be subscriber has to respond to the subscribe request email > > that comes to them > > > > If they don't the subscription request will sit in "Subscription > > requests" until they confirm the subscribe or the admin actions it > > > > If the would be subscriber confirms the email the subscribe request > > disappears > > > > Or the admin can manually Accept Reject or Discard the subscription > request > > > > Could it be that the confirmation email sent to the would be subscriber > > has ended up in spam ? > > > > To my mind if the email address looks okay the admin can email the would > > be subscriber to ask if they meant to subscribe (they may be blissfully > > unaware they are not subscribed) > > > > If the email address looks unlike a potential researcher the admin can > > discard it > > > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > > On 03/11/2018 02:30, Keith Meintjes wrote: > > > Well, if you want an issue, I am getting requests to confirm > > subscriptions > > > though they are > > > supposed to be set to be approved automatically. > > > > > > Keith > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe > > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/listowners@rootsweb.com > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > > community > > > > > -- > +1.248.891.6434 > Michigan, USA (Eastern Time) > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/listowners@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

Not sure if you do it just to wind people up Dan The question posed was "I am getting requests to confirm subscriptions though they are supposed to be set to be approved automatically." I gave a reason why, when the subscription policy was set to "Confirm" ie there should be no need for admin intervention but sub requests are still held because the would be subscriber hasn't confirmed their request So there is no problem (if you understand whats happening) and the system is working correctly, in so far as, if the would be subscriber confirms the email (if they get it) they get subscribed Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 03/11/2018 16:16, Dan M wrote: > Looked like he completely missed the requested topic. > "Set to post automatically but asking for confirm" looks like its still a > core issue. Program not working.

I understand. If I see subscription requests I will simply approve them. That seems much simpler than coaching wannabe subscribers on how to confirm their subscription requests. Keith On Sat, Nov 3, 2018 at 4:47 PM Nivard Ovington <ovington.one@gmail.com> wrote: > Not sure if you do it just to wind people up Dan > > The question posed was "I am getting requests to confirm subscriptions > though they are supposed to be set to be approved automatically." > > I gave a reason why, when the subscription policy was set to "Confirm" > > ie there should be no need for admin intervention but sub requests are > still held because the would be subscriber hasn't confirmed their request > > So there is no problem (if you understand whats happening) and the > system is working correctly, in so far as, if the would be subscriber > confirms the email (if they get it) they get subscribed > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > On 03/11/2018 16:16, Dan M wrote: > > Looked like he completely missed the requested topic. > > "Set to post automatically but asking for confirm" looks like its still a > > core issue. Program not working. > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/listowners@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > -- +1.248.891.6434 Michigan, USA (Eastern Time)

Sounds like everybody may be right here, but I want to point out that most people who subscribe do so to immediately post a message.  Those who don't successfully subscribe, but then try to post a message, are probably very confused when they receive a rejection notice of some kind. There is probably nothing we can do about that. Mike On 11/3/2018 6:37 PM, Keith Meintjes wrote: > I understand. > > If I see subscription requests I will simply approve them. > > That seems much simpler than coaching wannabe subscribers on how to confirm > their subscription requests. > > Keith > >

Yes, but I moderate an unrelated list where the spammers will subscribe and immediately then post a message. If they have to wait and then confirm a subscription, they never do. Keith On Sat, Nov 3, 2018 at 7:48 PM Mike Flannigan <mikeflan@att.net> wrote: > > Sounds like everybody may be right here, but I want > to point out that most people who subscribe do so > to immediately post a message. Those who don't > successfully subscribe, but then try to post a > message, are probably very confused when they receive > a rejection notice of some kind. > There is probably nothing we can do about that. > > > Mike > > > On 11/3/2018 6:37 PM, Keith Meintjes wrote: > > I understand. > > > > If I see subscription requests I will simply approve them. > > > > That seems much simpler than coaching wannabe subscribers on how to > confirm > > their subscription requests. > > > > Keith > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/listowners@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > -- +1.248.891.6434 Michigan, USA (Eastern Time)

Seems I read they had the settings set to approve automatically and were getting request to approve anyways. I will re read that. Could have got the point of that post possibly miss read. If so. My bad. On Sat, Nov 3, 2018, 1:47 PM Nivard Ovington <ovington.one@gmail.com wrote: > Not sure if you do it just to wind people up Dan > > The question posed was "I am getting requests to confirm subscriptions > though they are supposed to be set to be approved automatically." > > I gave a reason why, when the subscription policy was set to "Confirm" > > ie there should be no need for admin intervention but sub requests are > still held because the would be subscriber hasn't confirmed their request > > So there is no problem (if you understand whats happening) and the > system is working correctly, in so far as, if the would be subscriber > confirms the email (if they get it) they get subscribed > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > On 03/11/2018 16:16, Dan M wrote: > > Looked like he completely missed the requested topic. > > "Set to post automatically but asking for confirm" looks like its still a > > core issue. Program not working. > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/listowners@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

On Sat, 03 Nov 2018 14:09:22 -0000, Nivard Ovington <ovington.one@gmail.com> wrote: > If you have "Subscription Policy" set for "Confirm" > > The would be subscriber has to respond to the subscribe request email > that comes to them > > If they don't the subscription request will sit in "Subscription > requests" until they confirm the subscribe or the admin actions it I fear you are right Nivard, I think I have seen this happen. I say 'fear' because it is potentially dangerous. If a list is set for subscription requests to require both confirmation by the requestor *and* approval by the moderator, then it appears to me that there is no way for the moderator to tell whether the confirmation has been done. It is *very* important that the moderator knows that so they don't approve a malicious subscription request involving a faked address. Malcolm. > If the would be subscriber confirms the email the subscribe request > disappears > > Or the admin can manually Accept Reject or Discard the subscription > request > > Could it be that the confirmation email sent to the would be subscriber > has ended up in spam ? > > To my mind if the email address looks okay the admin can email the would > be subscriber to ask if they meant to subscribe (they may be blissfully > unaware they are not subscribed) > > If the email address looks unlike a potential researcher the admin can > discard it > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > On 03/11/2018 02:30, Keith Meintjes wrote: >> Well, if you want an issue, I am getting requests to confirm >> subscriptions >> though they are >> supposed to be set to be approved automatically. >> Keith > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/listowners@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community -- Malcolm Austen <malcolm.austen@weald.org.uk>

You are quite correct Malcolm There is no visible difference when the subscription policy is set to Confirm then Moderate, before or after the would be subscriber replies to confirm So how would an admin know they had confirmed the subscription? At least with "Confirm" set, if the email address is still in "Subscription requests" it means the would be subscriber has not confirmed the request to subscribe Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > I fear you are right Nivard, I think I have seen this happen. > > I say 'fear' because it is potentially dangerous. If a list is set for > subscription requests to require both confirmation by the requestor > *and* approval by the moderator, then it appears to me that there is no > way for the moderator to tell whether the confirmation has been done. It > is *very* important that the moderator knows that so they don't approve > a malicious subscription request involving a faked address. > > Malcolm.

One thing struck me in the process of subscribing & unsubscribing In the subscribing process using "Confirm" there is an email sent to the prospective subscriber To which they have to respond to confirm the subscribe request They receive an email from listname-confirm which they have to reply to However each time a second email is received, subject line "The results of your email commands" , the body of the message ends with the word "Done" You get two similar messages when you unsubscribe I wonder if some would be subscribers receive that second message and think it means its completed Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)