At long last my ANGUS list has received some posts from members. But in spite of me having set it to accept immediately posts from subscribers, it is still holding them for my approval. This is OK when there is a just a handful of posts, but will it be sorted out soon please? Anne

I looked at the Angus list and there are no messages in the queue at the moment. When you get another message that should be just going through, please leave it and let me know so we can look at it. Also, is your personal email a verified email in the system? Thanks, Anne On Thu, Nov 1, 2018 at 4:14 AM Angus Administrator via LISTOWNERS < listowners@rootsweb.com> wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: Malcolm Austen [mailto:malcolm.austen@weald.org.uk] > Sent: 01 November 2018 10:16 > To: Listowners list for Rootsweb list admins and moderators > <listowners@rootsweb.com> > Subject: [LO] Re: Subscriber messages are still being held for approval > > > > It sounds to me like it *is* doing exactly what you have set it to do. > The > options in List Settings, Message acceptance do not say they will force > that > option on every list member. It *does* say it will set the default > action > for the list. > No, it is not doing what I have set it to do. I have set the default action > for the list to accept immediately any messages from members. It is, > however, holding for approval all messages from members, which is the exact > opposite of what it is set to do. > > > If, for some reason, members of the list have been set (by the admin, > past > or present) to have a message acceptance rule that overrides the default, > then changes to the default setting will not change how > > their messages are dealt with. > I have been admin of the ANGUS List for 12 years, and I have only ever set > one list member on moderation. That person was subsequently banned > altogether and is not subscribed under any known address. > > > Go to the options for one of the members who are being held, scroll down > to the final Admin Options section. If that is not set to 'Default > processing' or 'List default' (I suspect those two mean the same thing) > > then that setting overrides the list default. > Not one single one of those I have looked at is set to anything other than > 'default processing', apart from one or two I have experimentally set > individually this morning. 'Default action to take when a member posts to > the list' is set to 'Accept immediately (bypass other rules)'. > > > HTH, Malcolm. > I'm afraid it doesn't, but thank you for trying. > > Anne > > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/listowners@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

At 05:51 PM 10/31/2018, Angus Administrator via LISTOWNERS wrote: >At long last my ANGUS list has received some posts from members. > >But in spite of me having set it to accept immediately posts from >subscribers, it is still holding them for my approval. > >This is OK when there is a just a handful of posts, but will it be sorted >out soon please? WHY are they being held for approval? The notices sent to you, the admin, specify the reason. That is what you have to sort out, possibly adjusting your list settings. Pat A.

If you want you can go to Member Options for your main posters and set Administration options to Accept Immediately (Bypass Other Rules). That might work. Mike On 10/31/2018 4:51 PM, Angus Administrator via LISTOWNERS wrote: > At long last my ANGUS list has received some posts from members. > > But in spite of me having set it to accept immediately posts from > subscribers, it is still holding them for my approval. > > This is OK when there is a just a handful of posts, but will it be sorted > out soon please? > > Anne >

I have set it to 'accept immediately (bypass other rules)" umpteen times and it makes not a blind bit of difference. I hope you are not suggesting that I have to set every individual poster separately, because I have two Lists, each with several hundred subscribers, and that isn't a sensible, practical or reasonable thing to require of me or of any other admin. I am not asking for the earth, moon and stars. I just want the setting I have set to do what I have set it to do. Anne -----Original Message----- From: Mike Flannigan [mailto:mikeflan@att.net] Sent: 31 October 2018 23:12 To: listowners@rootsweb.com Subject: [LO] Re: Subscriber messages are still being held for approval If you want you can go to Member Options for your main posters and set Administration options to Accept Immediately (Bypass Other Rules). That might work. Mike On 10/31/2018 4:51 PM, Angus Administrator via LISTOWNERS wrote: > At long last my ANGUS list has received some posts from members. > > But in spite of me having set it to accept immediately posts from > subscribers, it is still holding them for my approval. > > This is OK when there is a just a handful of posts, but will it be > sorted out soon please? > > Anne > _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/listowners@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

My answers below. On 10/31/2018 6:37 PM, Angus Administrator via LISTOWNERS wrote: > I have set it to 'accept immediately (bypass other rules)" umpteen times and > it makes not a blind bit of difference. > > I hope you are not suggesting that I have to set every individual poster > separately, because I have two Lists, each with several hundred subscribers, > and that isn't a sensible, practical or reasonable thing to require of me or > of any other admin. Yes, that is what I was suggesting, and I agree it is unreasonable.  I think if you go back in the archives you will find this same discussion and that was the suggested solution.  I think it works for my lists, but I could be wrong.  I certainly did not do it for all subscribers.  Just a few including myself. > > I am not asking for the earth, moon and stars. I just want the setting I > have set to do what I have set it to do. Boy, that would be nice. > > Anne > >

Hmmm. Well, I will try it as a temporary measure but as you say it's extremely unsatisfactory. Anne -----Original Message----- From: Mike Flannigan [mailto:mikeflan@att.net] Sent: 31 October 2018 23:57 To: listowners@rootsweb.com Subject: [LO] Re: Subscriber messages are still being held for approval My answers below. On 10/31/2018 6:37 PM, Angus Administrator via LISTOWNERS wrote: > I have set it to 'accept immediately (bypass other rules)" umpteen > times and it makes not a blind bit of difference. > > I hope you are not suggesting that I have to set every individual > poster separately, because I have two Lists, each with several hundred > subscribers, and that isn't a sensible, practical or reasonable thing > to require of me or of any other admin. Yes, that is what I was suggesting, and I agree it is unreasonable. I think if you go back in the archives you will find this same discussion and that was the suggested solution. I think it works for my lists, but I could be wrong. I certainly did not do it for all subscribers. Just a few including myself. > > I am not asking for the earth, moon and stars. I just want the setting > I have set to do what I have set it to do. Boy, that would be nice. > > Anne > >

Right. I went in to my list of members and set some of them individually to 'accept immediately'. This included my personal (i.e. not the Admin) e-mail. I then deliberately replied to another member's post, using that personal e-mail address. Now, just to get this absolutely straight, with no misunderstandings 1. The List is set to accept immediately posts from members/subscribers 2. My personal e-mail is individually set to be accepted immediately 3. The message size limit is set to unlimited OK? Everybody got that? The ******* thing has just **held for admin approval** the message I sent from my personal e-mail, reason for holding N/A. !*?#~@%"!~?#$%! Anne -----Original Message----- From: Mike Flannigan [mailto:mikeflan@att.net] Sent: 31 October 2018 23:57 To: listowners@rootsweb.com Subject: [LO] Re: Subscriber messages are still being held for approval My answers below. On 10/31/2018 6:37 PM, Angus Administrator via LISTOWNERS wrote: > I have set it to 'accept immediately (bypass other rules)" umpteen > times and it makes not a blind bit of difference. > > I hope you are not suggesting that I have to set every individual > poster separately, because I have two Lists, each with several hundred > subscribers, and that isn't a sensible, practical or reasonable thing > to require of me or of any other admin. Yes, that is what I was suggesting, and I agree it is unreasonable. I think if you go back in the archives you will find this same discussion and that was the suggested solution. I think it works for my lists, but I could be wrong. I certainly did not do it for all subscribers. Just a few including myself. > I am not asking for the earth, moon and stars. I just want the setting > I have set to do what I have set it to do. Boy, that would be nice.

I have digest set to 100kb And message size to 50kb And they get through Might the setting "0" not be working as it should? Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 01/11/2018 12:44, Angus Administrator via LISTOWNERS wrote: > Right. > > I went in to my list of members and set some of them individually to 'accept immediately'. > > This included my personal (i.e. not the Admin) e-mail. I then deliberately replied to another member's post, using that personal e-mail address.

On Wed, 31 Oct 2018 23:37:27 -0000, Angus Administrator via LISTOWNERS <listowners@rootsweb.com> wrote: > I have set it to 'accept immediately (bypass other rules)" umpteen times > and > it makes not a blind bit of difference. > I hope you are not suggesting that I have to set every individual poster > separately, because I have two Lists, each with several hundred > subscribers, > and that isn't a sensible, practical or reasonable thing to require of > me or > of any other admin. > I am not asking for the earth, moon and stars. I just want the setting I > have set to do what I have set it to do. It sounds to me like it *is* doing exactly what you have set it to do. The options in List Settings, Message acceptance do not say they will force that option on every list member. It *does* say it will set the default action for the list. If, for some reason, members of the list have been set (by the admin, past or present) to have a message acceptance rule that overrides the default, then changes to the default setting will not change how their messages are dealt with. Go to the options for one of the members who are being held, scroll down to the final Admin Options section. If that is not set to 'Default processing' or 'List default' (I suspect those two mean the same thing) then that setting overrides the list default. HTH, Malcolm. -- Malcolm Austen <malcolm.austen@weald.org.uk>

-----Original Message----- From: Malcolm Austen [mailto:malcolm.austen@weald.org.uk] Sent: 01 November 2018 10:16 To: Listowners list for Rootsweb list admins and moderators <listowners@rootsweb.com> Subject: [LO] Re: Subscriber messages are still being held for approval > It sounds to me like it *is* doing exactly what you have set it to do. The options in List Settings, Message acceptance do not say they will force that option on every list member. It *does* say it will set the default > action for the list. No, it is not doing what I have set it to do. I have set the default action for the list to accept immediately any messages from members. It is, however, holding for approval all messages from members, which is the exact opposite of what it is set to do. > If, for some reason, members of the list have been set (by the admin, past or present) to have a message acceptance rule that overrides the default, then changes to the default setting will not change how > their messages are dealt with. I have been admin of the ANGUS List for 12 years, and I have only ever set one list member on moderation. That person was subsequently banned altogether and is not subscribed under any known address. > Go to the options for one of the members who are being held, scroll down to the final Admin Options section. If that is not set to 'Default processing' or 'List default' (I suspect those two mean the same thing) > then that setting overrides the list default. Not one single one of those I have looked at is set to anything other than 'default processing', apart from one or two I have experimentally set individually this morning. 'Default action to take when a member posts to the list' is set to 'Accept immediately (bypass other rules)'. > HTH, Malcolm. I'm afraid it doesn't, but thank you for trying. Anne

On Thu, 01 Nov 2018 11:14:26 -0000, Angus Administrator via LISTOWNERS <listowners@rootsweb.com> wrote: >> HTH, Malcolm. > I'm afraid it doesn't, but thank you for trying. Oh well, second wild guess - what have you got the message size limit set to? If this is under about 15kb then the recent explosion of header lines will cause pretty near every message to be caught as oversize ... but then I would expect that one to be explicitly stated in the reason for moderation even though many causes still show as N/A. Malcolm. -- Malcolm Austen <malcolm.austen@weald.org.uk>

No, it's not that - it's set to unlimited. Anne -----Original Message----- From: Malcolm Austen [mailto:malcolm.austen@weald.org.uk] Sent: 01 November 2018 12:12 To: Listowners list for Rootsweb list admins and moderators <listowners@rootsweb.com> Subject: [LO] Re: Subscriber messages are still being held for approval On Thu, 01 Nov 2018 11:14:26 -0000, Angus Administrator via LISTOWNERS <listowners@rootsweb.com> wrote: >> HTH, Malcolm. > I'm afraid it doesn't, but thank you for trying. Oh well, second wild guess - what have you got the message size limit set to? If this is under about 15kb then the recent explosion of header lines will cause pretty near every message to be caught as oversize ... but then I would expect that one to be explicitly stated in the reason for moderation even though many causes still show as N/A. Malcolm. -- Malcolm Austen <malcolm.austen@weald.org.uk>

On Thu, 01 Nov 2018 12:29:27 -0000, Angus Administrator via LISTOWNERS <listowners@rootsweb.com> wrote: > No, it's not that - it's set to unlimited. I never trust 'unlimited', it only needs one test to be malformed and ... I would set it to, say, 500kb. Malcolm. -- Malcolm Austen <malcolm.austen@weald.org.uk>