Tom- Reread the sentence I've quoted from your message. "I'm TRYING" not to "SOUND" arrogant. "those who have no clue" -- Note that the caps were for emphasis not shouting. Shouting would be using ALL quotes. Capitalizing a single word denotes emphasis. To me your statement sounds like I know I know everything and you poor idiots don't have a clue but let me condescend to explain things to you from my lofty perch. I'll say one thing about Charani. I always find her responses on this list to be very helpful and she's very knowledgeable. Neither she (nor I for that matter) deserve the type of replies we are getting from you. Sorry to have strayed a bit off the subject matter being discussed but it sort of needed to be said. Joan In a message dated 11/18/2011 9:28:32 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, tom@hutch4.us writes: I'm trying not to sound arrogant, I just don't like bullies who SHOUT(sorry) to try and make their point, especially those who have no clue what they are talking about.