Dan, No clue, because I wouldn't know how to change the size limit even if I had wanted t. It is set to the SAME SIZE THAT WORKED FLAWLESSLY BEFORE LAST MONTH when the new filters took over. That fact alone ought to give some clue on where to start looking IMHO. David E. Cann [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: DJ <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 2:49 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [LO]Re: na and subscriber posts Another thought would be, just another filter thats reporting wrong. Have you sent your self the same message and checked the message size>? Just to be sure it was too big? What size do you have your list set for? Should be enough for a normal digest, are your message that big? I have people who write so much its like a book, near onto 20K and post. Dan On 04/14/2018 11:16 AM, David E. Cann wrote: > Lynne, > > > > I use Outlook 2016 (part of MS Office 365) as an email client, and email is downloaded to it from my ISP. To post to any RW list I FIRST convert the blank new message TO PLAIN TEXT first before writing the first word. I may be wrong here, but isn't THAT KIND OF TEXT MESSAGE rather "bloated" in size compared to one that has always been plain text "from birth." Like many of you, I am now following these steps to send "welcome" messages to ALL of my lists as Anne has requested, but so far 100% of them, EVERY ONE OF THEM WITHOUT EXCEPTION, _______________________________________________

David, I don't think it is the Outlook client, I use the same thing, and have had no problems whatsoever in sending and receiving messages to the new Lists. I sent out my Welcoming message to all of my Lists a week ago, and all of them went through, and even got some responses from those lists saying all was well. They have not been very active in a long time, but so far, no one seems to have had a problem. The only issue I had at first for a couple of Lists, is that they went to my Junk folder, but once I added the List to my "Safe Senders" Options, it goes straight to my Inbox now. I have no idea why your Lists are having these problems, I understand that it must be extremely frustrating. I hope Anne can help get the issue straightened out for you soon. Deloris Williams -----Original Message----- From: David E. Cann [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 1:16 PM To: 'Listowners list for Rootsweb list admins and moderators' <[email protected]> Cc: 'Anne Gillespie Mitchell' <[email protected]> Subject: [LO]Re: na and subscriber posts Lynne, First of all, let me preface my comments by saying I IN NO WAY, SHAPE NOR FORM CLAIMING TO BE AN EXPERT on IT work or anything at all remotely knowledgeable about what I am talking about. I am simply an old (75) geezer who has been a List Owner for 20 years now (or whatever else the title was at any given time). WITHOUT any training, what little I have learned in two decades of doing this was learned through osmosis. A chimpanzee could have learned as much in the same time if you get him to repeat it enough times. Now then, all that said in my background, please let me tell you why I think I can tell you "YES" that I may well be one of those people who has had (and continues to have) messages rejected due to size despite changing my list settings per Anne's precise directions. I use Outlook 2016 (part of MS Office 365) as an email client, and email is downloaded to it from my ISP. To post to any RW list I FIRST convert the blank new message TO PLAIN TEXT first before writing the first word. I may be wrong here, but isn't THAT KIND OF TEXT MESSAGE rather "bloated" in size compared to one that has always been plain text "from birth." Like many of you, I am now following these steps to send "welcome" messages to ALL of my lists as Anne has requested, but so far 100% of them, EVERY ONE OF THEM WITHOUT EXCEPTION, has require me to then go to the Held Messages filter despite the fact I am a subscriber just like everyone else is despite the fact my filters are set to allow all subscribers through freely. If all of my assumptions are correct, and my "bloated Outlook plain text" messages THAT HAVE GOTTEN THROUGH PRIOR TO THE CURRENT MAILMAN 3 was installed to gum up the works including UNDER MAILMAN 2.17, then something in the current filters needs to be fixed or tweaked to make it DO WHAT ALL OF IT'S PREDECESSORS WERE ABLE TO DO? Now then, how do we get someone at RW to at least "take off the blinders" long enough to stop blaming us for setting the tweaks wrong or otherwise causing the problem long enough to examine the issue and resolve it one way or another without any more guesswork, hmmmmm? ☹ David -----Original Message----- From: Lynne <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 1:01 PM To: Listowners list for Rootsweb list admins and moderators <[email protected]> Subject: [LO]Re: na and subscriber posts Thanks, Dan, but I'm really curious to know if Janet or anyone else has had a message rejected because of size. Lynne On 4/14/2018 11:44 AM, DJ wrote: > https://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/src/mailman/rules/docs/modera > tion.html > > Lots of help here. If you can find it. > > > On 04/14/2018 06:53 AM, Lynne wrote: >> Janet, are you saying that with the new system you are getting >> notifications of posts that are too large to post? If that's the >> case, where are the settings in MailMan to change the size of >> acceptable posts? The only notifications I've received are N/A or >> not a member. >> _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ You are receiving this email because you have registered with RootsWeb Mailing Lists. Manage your email preferences at: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/accounts/subscriptions/ To unsubscribe send an email to mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe View the archives for this list at: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/ Your privacy is important to us. View our Privacy Statement at https://www.ancestry.com/cs/legal/privacystatement for more information. Use of RootsWeb is subject to our Terms and Conditions https://www.ancestry.com/cs/legal/termsandconditions RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Where all my mail for [email protected] is going from LO. Please. I ask a direct question. Dan M

On Sat, Apr 14, 2018 at 1:38 PM, DJ <[email protected]> wrote: > Where all my mail for [email protected] is going from LO. Please. > I ask a direct question. > Dan M I'm not quite sure what you are asking, Dan. Only the listowners of this list can see the subscriber list. As far as I know, this list is still wired to allow *only* listowners to subscribe. Anne can tell us if this is still true. If you are asking where email from the email account [email protected] is going, I just checked out the subscriber settings for that email address and changed it from default to auto-accepted. If it was disappearing before, I can't say. There were no posts from you being held in pending just now. Valorie -- http://about.me/valoriez

I guess like everyone. Everything is on a new learning curve. Would help more if questions and problems had cures. Since I don't know how they inter installed version 3 over 2.7 I can only guess that there were unseen problems in certain fields. On Sat, Apr 14, 2018, 10:33 PM Valorie Zimmerman < [email protected]> wrote: > On Sat, Apr 14, 2018 at 1:38 PM, DJ <[email protected]> wrote: > > Where all my mail for [email protected] is going from LO. Please. > > I ask a direct question. > > Dan M > > I'm not quite sure what you are asking, Dan. Only the listowners of > this list can see the subscriber list. As far as I know, this list is > still wired to allow *only* listowners to subscribe. > > Anne can tell us if this is still true. > > If you are asking where email from the email account > [email protected] is going, I just checked out the subscriber > settings for that email address and changed it from default to > auto-accepted. If it was disappearing before, I can't say. There were > no posts from you being held in pending just now. > > Valorie > > -- > http://about.me/valoriez > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > You are receiving this email because you have registered with RootsWeb > Mailing Lists. Manage your email preferences at: > https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/accounts/subscriptions/ > > To unsubscribe send an email to mailto:[email protected] > ?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe > > View the archives for this list at: > https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/ > > Your privacy is important to us. View our Privacy Statement at > https://www.ancestry.com/cs/legal/privacystatement for more information. > Use of RootsWeb is subject to our Terms and Conditions > https://www.ancestry.com/cs/legal/termsandconditions > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

Deloris, Nor do I, but I FREELY ADMIT I don't know. the trouble is we are all getting advice from people who give us advice who don't seem to know either, and that is the problem. ☹ I have now been told to "have some patience," but why? That is not something that I do very well at times like this but OI will try. David -----Original Message----- From: Deloris Williams <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 4:20 PM To: 'Listowners list for Rootsweb list admins and moderators' <[email protected]> Subject: [LO]Re: na and subscriber posts David, I don't think it is the Outlook client, I use the same thing, and have had no problems whatsoever in sending and receiving messages to the new Lists. I sent out my Welcoming message to all of my Lists a week ago, and all of them went through, and even got some responses from those lists saying all was well. They have not been very active in a long time, but so far, no one seems to have had a problem. The only issue I had at first for a couple of Lists, is that they went to my Junk folder, but once I added the List to my "Safe Senders" Options, it goes straight to my Inbox now. I have no idea why your Lists are having these problems, I understand that it must be extremely frustrating. I hope Anne can help get the issue straightened out for you soon. Deloris Williams -----Original Message----- From: David E. Cann [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 1:16 PM To: 'Listowners list for Rootsweb list admins and moderators' <[email protected]> Cc: 'Anne Gillespie Mitchell' <[email protected]> Subject: [LO]Re: na and subscriber posts Lynne, First of all, let me preface my comments by saying I IN NO WAY, SHAPE NOR FORM CLAIMING TO BE AN EXPERT on IT work or anything at all remotely knowledgeable about what I am talking about. I am simply an old (75) geezer who has been a List Owner for 20 years now (or whatever else the title was at any given time). WITHOUT any training, what little I have learned in two decades of doing this was learned through osmosis. A chimpanzee could have learned as much in the same time if you get him to repeat it enough times. Now then, all that said in my background, please let me tell you why I think I can tell you "YES" that I may well be one of those people who has had (and continues to have) messages rejected due to size despite changing my list settings per Anne's precise directions. I use Outlook 2016 (part of MS Office 365) as an email client, and email is downloaded to it from my ISP. To post to any RW list I FIRST convert the blank new message TO PLAIN TEXT first before writing the first word. I may be wrong here, but isn't THAT KIND OF TEXT MESSAGE rather "bloated" in size compared to one that has always been plain text "from birth." Like many of you, I am now following these steps to send "welcome" messages to ALL of my lists as Anne has requested, but so far 100% of them, EVERY ONE OF THEM WITHOUT EXCEPTION, has require me to then go to the Held Messages filter despite the fact I am a subscriber just like everyone else is despite the fact my filters are set to allow all subscribers through freely. If all of my assumptions are correct, and my "bloated Outlook plain text" messages THAT HAVE GOTTEN THROUGH PRIOR TO THE CURRENT MAILMAN 3 was installed to gum up the works including UNDER MAILMAN 2.17, then something in the current filters needs to be fixed or tweaked to make it DO WHAT ALL OF IT'S PREDECESSORS WERE ABLE TO DO? Now then, how do we get someone at RW to at least "take off the blinders" long enough to stop blaming us for setting the tweaks wrong or otherwise causing the problem long enough to examine the issue and resolve it one way or another without any more guesswork, hmmmmm? ☹ David -----Original Message----- From: Lynne <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 1:01 PM To: Listowners list for Rootsweb list admins and moderators <[email protected]> Subject: [LO]Re: na and subscriber posts Thanks, Dan, but I'm really curious to know if Janet or anyone else has had a message rejected because of size. Lynne On 4/14/2018 11:44 AM, DJ wrote: > https://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/src/mailman/rules/docs/modera > tion.html > > Lots of help here. If you can find it. > > > On 04/14/2018 06:53 AM, Lynne wrote: >> Janet, are you saying that with the new system you are getting >> notifications of posts that are too large to post? If that's the >> case, where are the settings in MailMan to change the size of >> acceptable posts? The only notifications I've received are N/A or >> not a member. >>

Patience because some one might be trying to fix the problem and just have not got it done yet? I don't think I have a clue whats wrong, but have a minor idea. In the mean time, check your systems for those having problems posting. Look for those things i mentioned before. Dan On 04/14/2018 01:49 PM, David E. Cann wrote: > Deloris, > > Nor do I, but I FREELY ADMIT I don't know. the trouble is we are all getting advice from people who give us advice who don't seem to know either, and that is the problem. ☹ > > I have now been told to "have some patience," but why? That is not something that I do very well at times like this but OI will try. > > > David  [snip]

Thats correct in part.   I would check the security setting and the reply to field should be blank. No cc or bcc.   I was a beta tester for outlook and OE, I still have the desktop books for those, over 1000 pages, so there is a lot more in mail programs than just simply send messages.   I also have lots of folks posting now with Outlook and going ok.  I have no mail hits my inbox every thing is filtered to its own folder, all lists, all subscribe and such. Easy to make filters. Dan M On 04/14/2018 01:20 PM, Deloris Williams wrote: > David, > I don't think it is the Outlook client, I use the same thing, and have had no problems whatsoever in sending and receiving messages to the new Lists. > I sent out my Welcoming message to all of my Lists a week ago, and all of them went through, and even got some responses from those lists saying all was well. They have not been very active in a long time, but so far, no one seems to have had a problem. > The only issue I had at first for a couple of Lists, is that they went to my Junk folder, but once I added the List to my "Safe Senders" Options, it goes straight to my Inbox now. > I have no idea why your Lists are having these problems, I understand that it must be extremely frustrating. I hope Anne can help get the issue straightened out for you soon. > > Deloris Williams [snip]

Something happened. I just got a flood of missing mail to this address just now. Dan M ;)))

At 04:59 PM 4/14/2018, Dan M wrote: >Something happened. >I just got a flood of missing mail to this address just now. >Dan M ;))) Dan, check the headers. Chances are your ISP had a logjam and it broke loose. As you have been pointing out about various questions/problems, it was just one of the hiccups that occur more often than we would wish when we access the internet. In theory the flow should be seamless. In practice, it never is <sigh> Pat A.

lol, at least with this project, you don't have to drink to get hick ups lol. I did check on gmail website. Nothing abnormal there. So I removed James and added Dan M ;) Dan On 04/14/2018 02:15 PM, Pat Asher wrote: > At 04:59 PM 4/14/2018, Dan M wrote: >> Something happened. >> I just got a flood of missing mail to this address just now. >> Dan M ;))) > > Dan, check the headers. Chances are your ISP had a logjam and it broke > loose. As you have been pointing out about various questions/problems, > it was just one of the hiccups that occur more often than we would wish > when we access the internet. In theory the flow should be seamless. In > practice, it never is <sigh> > > > Pat A. [snip]

I have another question. I posted with [email protected] I received the message in both my other subscribed addresses, but not the one I sent with. Is this still something gmail is still doing, blocking our own posts to the sending address? That was the reason I went to my domain mail, now I get server busy rejects from there. never a dull moment. Dan On 04/14/2018 02:20 PM, Dan M wrote: > lol, at least with this project, you don't have to drink to get hick > ups lol. > I did check on gmail website. Nothing abnormal there. > So I removed James and added Dan M ;) > Dan > > On 04/14/2018 02:15 PM, Pat Asher wrote: >> At 04:59 PM 4/14/2018, Dan M wrote: >>> Something happened. >>> I just got a flood of missing mail to this address just now. >>> Dan M ;))) >> >> Dan, check the headers. Chances are your ISP had a logjam and it >> broke loose. As you have been pointing out about various >> questions/problems, it was just one of the hiccups that occur more >> often than we would wish when we access the internet. In theory the >> flow should be seamless. In practice, it never is <sigh> >> >> >> Pat A. > [snip] > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > You are receiving this email because you have registered with RootsWeb > Mailing Lists.  Manage your email preferences at: > https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/accounts/subscriptions/ > > To unsubscribe send an email to > mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe > > View the archives for this list at: > https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/ > > Your privacy is important to us.  View our Privacy Statement at > https://www.ancestry.com/cs/legal/privacystatement for more > information.  Use of RootsWeb is subject to our Terms and Conditions > https://www.ancestry.com/cs/legal/termsandconditions > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal > RootsWeb community >

I am assuming. My address [email protected] ( is ) getting stuck in the filter since it has not posted any messages since yesterday early 827 am/ Dan

That was my thought 5 days ago after looking at the headers of a message that was held for N/A. All the messages I've received for moderation for N/A all have the following line in the headers X-Mailman-Rule-Hits: max-size Gene At 04:49 AM 4/14/2018, Meryl Yost wrote: >Are we getting messages held because they are too large? Do we need a >setting to change the size?

And was not max size.. I seen those. headers and message size don'y add that much. Still mainly in kb. Dan On 04/14/2018 05:58 AM, Gene Phillips wrote: > That was my thought 5 days ago after looking at the headers of a message that was held for N/A. > All the messages I've received for moderation for N/A all have the following line in the headers > > X-Mailman-Rule-Hits: max-size > > Gene > > > At 04:49 AM 4/14/2018, Meryl Yost wrote: > >> Are we getting messages held because they are too large? Do we need a >> setting to change the size? > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > You are receiving this email because you have registered with RootsWeb Mailing Lists. Manage your email preferences at: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/accounts/subscriptions/ > > To unsubscribe send an email to mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe > > View the archives for this list at: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/ > > Your privacy is important to us. View our Privacy Statement at https://www.ancestry.com/cs/legal/privacystatement for more information. Use of RootsWeb is subject to our Terms and Conditions https://www.ancestry.com/cs/legal/termsandconditions > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > . >

I have several people posting normally, same list, I have some getting caught, on personal inspection of settings, they should be posting normally.  I worked with them on test posts directly. Still na held.   I get all my messages posted ok. I get the subscription messages when some one subs. I get the post verification where I have it set at on one list I tested that. I subbed one of my addresses to a list and got the proper messages and tested a post that worked. What ever is holding messages, is not affecting my personal posts or a few other people. If it was an internal problem, I would think it would affect all posts and all addresses. Since it dont, I am thinking it has to be a header problem or? I used all my gmail address and my d-matney domain address with not problems, so this tells me, if people on gmail, might have have some thing in certain headers or encryption or security to high?    It also can't be the html or plain text because I have both in my addresses posting ok. What ever is holing up certain messages, might look into the details of those, our headers don't explain this, just says hit the threshold to get held. or Explicit address etc:  Also possible is a glitch of mailman install from the get go. Dan M

I am in the same boat, Nivard. I just had the greatest joy that a subscription request to Eng-Shropshire went through without me having to do anything. At least the sun is shining at the moment! Sherry (in sunny Slough) On 13 April 2018 at 22:40, Nivard Ovington <[email protected]> wrote: > The problem is that some attachments are making it to the lists and are > not held > > We have become used to telling subscribers they cannot post an attachment, > yet they are getting through now > > If they are getting through it can't be the reason some posts are held for > release > > Plus I am having my own posts held for my own moderation ;-) > > And I certainly don't use HTML , V cards are whatever else , I only use > plain text and have always done so > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > On 13-Apr-18 6:24 PM, Dan M wrote: > >> Exactly. >> As said, in theory. >> and so fat they don't, my point was, not only html but v cards are >> showing up caught as well as plain text. >> Some attachments are so small, they could* slip past settings, and >> especially since setting don't work,who know whats going on in there. >> Any way, since last 20 years we have told people plain text and no >> signatures and v cards. >> Maybe something in the mail programs is not pure plain text, headers >> are caught or something? >> > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > You are receiving this email because you have registered with RootsWeb > Mailing Lists. Manage your email preferences at: > https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/accounts/subscriptions/ > > To unsubscribe send an email to mailto:[email protected] > ?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe > > View the archives for this list at: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestr > y.com/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/ > > Your privacy is important to us. View our Privacy Statement at > https://www.ancestry.com/cs/legal/privacystatement for more information. > Use of RootsWeb is subject to our Terms and Conditions > https://www.ancestry.com/cs/legal/termsandconditions > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >