Have not seen any logistics for subscribed members who are caught in the held messages. I had a cousin keep posting yesterday while I checked headers and list setting and member setting. Still trapped. Has to be something in the main administration control setting or a blacklist?? Thats a question just to explain its not an accusation. On Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 10:37 AM David E. Cann <[email protected]> wrote: > Nivard, > > I have NO scientific information to point to other than long-term > observation, but based solely on that I think I agree with you. With RW > claiming "enhanced security" as a major reason for spending all of the time > and this current upgrade and change though, deep down I have hopes they > will do it. This initial situation though does not make it look very > hopeful. ☹ > > > David > > -----Original Message----- > From: Nivard Ovington <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 1:09 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [LO]Re: spammer > > > I have never seen any evidence that reporting spammers addresses to > rootsweb had any effect whatsoever > > In fact I would say the reverse, when I reported posts as spam I had an > increase in the spam received, so stopped reporting them as spam, just > discarded them and the spam seemingly decreased > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > On 12-Apr-18 6:01 PM, Lynne Klein wrote: > > Yes, can do, but it would be better if we could add spammer addresses > > to a RootsWeb spam filter. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > You are receiving this email because you have registered with RootsWeb > Mailing Lists. Manage your email preferences at: > https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/accounts/subscriptions/ > > To unsubscribe send an email to mailto:[email protected] > ?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe > > View the archives for this list at: > https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/ > > Your privacy is important to us. View our Privacy Statement at > https://www.ancestry.com/cs/legal/privacystatement for more information. > Use of RootsWeb is subject to our Terms and Conditions > https://www.ancestry.com/cs/legal/termsandconditions > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

Check their options. In the subscriber list, click on Member Options next to their name. Scroll to the bottom. In the administration options box, you will see a drop-down next to moderation. Choose what you think is appropriate for that person, other than default. Anne On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 1:50 PM, James <[email protected]> wrote: > Have not seen any logistics for subscribed members who are caught in the > held messages. > I had a cousin keep posting yesterday while I checked headers and list > setting and member setting. Still trapped. > Has to be something in the main administration control setting or a > blacklist?? > Thats a question just to explain its not an accusation. > > On Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 10:37 AM David E. Cann <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Nivard, > > > > I have NO scientific information to point to other than long-term > > observation, but based solely on that I think I agree with you. With RW > > claiming "enhanced security" as a major reason for spending all of the > time > > and this current upgrade and change though, deep down I have hopes they > > will do it. This initial situation though does not make it look very > > hopeful. ☹ > > > > > > David > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Nivard Ovington <[email protected]> > > Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 1:09 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: [LO]Re: spammer > > > > > > I have never seen any evidence that reporting spammers addresses to > > rootsweb had any effect whatsoever > > > > In fact I would say the reverse, when I reported posts as spam I had an > > increase in the spam received, so stopped reporting them as spam, just > > discarded them and the spam seemingly decreased > > > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > > On 12-Apr-18 6:01 PM, Lynne Klein wrote: > > > Yes, can do, but it would be better if we could add spammer addresses > > > to a RootsWeb spam filter. > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > You are receiving this email because you have registered with RootsWeb > > Mailing Lists. Manage your email preferences at: > > https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/accounts/subscriptions/ > > > > To unsubscribe send an email to mailto:[email protected] > > ?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe > > > > View the archives for this list at: > > https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/ > [email protected]/ > > > > Your privacy is important to us. View our Privacy Statement at > > https://www.ancestry.com/cs/legal/privacystatement for more information. > > Use of RootsWeb is subject to our Terms and Conditions > > https://www.ancestry.com/cs/legal/termsandconditions > > > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > > community > > > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > You are receiving this email because you have registered with RootsWeb > Mailing Lists. Manage your email preferences at: https://lists.rootsweb. > ancestry.com/postorius/accounts/subscriptions/ > > To unsubscribe send an email to mailto:[email protected] > ?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe > > View the archives for this list at: https://lists.rootsweb. > ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/ > > Your privacy is important to us. View our Privacy Statement at > https://www.ancestry.com/cs/legal/privacystatement for more information. > Use of RootsWeb is subject to our Terms and Conditions > https://www.ancestry.com/cs/legal/termsandconditions > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > -- Anne Mitchell http://clustergenealogy.com <http://finding-forgotten-stories.com>

Will do. thanks. On 04/12/2018 12:05 PM, Anne Gillespie Mitchell wrote: > Check their options. In the subscriber list, click on Member Options next > to their name. > > Scroll to the bottom. In the administration options box, you will see a > drop-down next to moderation. Choose what you think is appropriate for that > person, other than default. > > Anne [snip]

thnx did that. see what happens. On 04/12/2018 12:05 PM, Anne Gillespie Mitchell wrote: > Check their options. In the subscriber list, click on Member Options next > to their name. > > Scroll to the bottom. In the administration options box, you will see a > drop-down next to moderation. Choose what you think is appropriate for that > person, other than default. > > Anne

how about V cards ? I noticed a couple of those who can't post are using those. Dan

V-Card is sent as an attachment and the lists don't take attachments. Gene At 10:27 AM 4/13/2018, Dan M wrote: >how about V cards ? >I noticed a couple of those who can't post are using those. >Dan > >_______________________________________________ >_______________________________________________ >You are receiving this email because you have registered with RootsWeb Mailing Lists. Manage your email preferences at: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/accounts/subscriptions/ > >To unsubscribe send an email to mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe > >View the archives for this list at: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/ > >Your privacy is important to us. View our Privacy Statement at https://www.ancestry.com/cs/legal/privacystatement for more information. Use of RootsWeb is subject to our Terms and Conditions https://www.ancestry.com/cs/legal/termsandconditions > >RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > >--- >This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. >http://www.avg.com

In theory they don't Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 13-Apr-18 6:06 PM, Gene Phillips wrote: > V-Card is sent as an attachment and the lists don't take attachments. > > Gene > > At 10:27 AM 4/13/2018, Dan M wrote: >> how about V cards ? >> I noticed a couple of those who can't post are using those. >> Dan

Exactly. As said, in theory. and so fat they don't, my point was, not only html but v cards are showing up caught as well as plain text. Some attachments are so small, they could* slip past settings, and especially since setting don't work,who know whats going on in there. Any way, since last 20 years we have told people plain text and no signatures and v cards.   Maybe something in the mail programs is not pure plain text, headers are caught or something? On 04/13/2018 10:06 AM, Gene Phillips wrote: > V-Card is sent as an attachment and the lists don't take attachments. > > Gene > > At 10:27 AM 4/13/2018, Dan M wrote: >> how about V cards ? >> I noticed a couple of those who can't post are using those. >> Dan >> >> _______________________________________________ >> _______________________________________________ >> You are receiving this email because you have registered with RootsWeb Mailing Lists. Manage your email preferences at: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/accounts/subscriptions/ >> >> To unsubscribe send an email to mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe >> >> View the archives for this list at: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/ >> >> Your privacy is important to us. View our Privacy Statement at https://www.ancestry.com/cs/legal/privacystatement for more information. Use of RootsWeb is subject to our Terms and Conditions https://www.ancestry.com/cs/legal/termsandconditions >> >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community >> >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. >> http://www.avg.com > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > You are receiving this email because you have registered with RootsWeb Mailing Lists. Manage your email preferences at: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/accounts/subscriptions/ > > To unsubscribe send an email to mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe > > View the archives for this list at: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/ > > Your privacy is important to us. View our Privacy Statement at https://www.ancestry.com/cs/legal/privacystatement for more information. Use of RootsWeb is subject to our Terms and Conditions https://www.ancestry.com/cs/legal/termsandconditions > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community >

The problem is that some attachments are making it to the lists and are not held We have become used to telling subscribers they cannot post an attachment, yet they are getting through now If they are getting through it can't be the reason some posts are held for release Plus I am having my own posts held for my own moderation ;-) And I certainly don't use HTML , V cards are whatever else , I only use plain text and have always done so Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 13-Apr-18 6:24 PM, Dan M wrote: > Exactly. > As said, in theory. > and so fat they don't, my point was, not only html but v cards are > showing up caught as well as plain text. > Some attachments are so small, they could* slip past settings, and > especially since setting don't work,who know whats going on in there. > Any way, since last 20 years we have told people plain text and no > signatures and v cards. >   Maybe something in the mail programs is not pure plain text, headers > are caught or something?

Nivard, On the list where your posts are being held for moderation, are you subbed in as post immediately? I had that problem at first on a single list but after I changed the coding all have been going through OK. Although it appears that you set a code once in one place, that doesn't seem to be exactly true. I think you have to set things like post immediately on each list; it is not a single setting that applies to all lists in one swoop. Janet On Fri, Apr 13, 2018 at 10:40 PM, Nivard Ovington <[email protected]> wrote: > The problem is that some attachments are making it to the lists and are > not held > > We have become used to telling subscribers they cannot post an attachment, > yet they are getting through now > > If they are getting through it can't be the reason some posts are held for > release > > Plus I am having my own posts held for my own moderation ;-) > > And I certainly don't use HTML , V cards are whatever else , I only use > plain text and have always done so > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > On 13-Apr-18 6:24 PM, Dan M wrote: > >> Exactly. >> As said, in theory. >> and so fat they don't, my point was, not only html but v cards are >> showing up caught as well as plain text. >> Some attachments are so small, they could* slip past settings, and >> especially since setting don't work,who know whats going on in there. >> Any way, since last 20 years we have told people plain text and no >> signatures and v cards. >> Maybe something in the mail programs is not pure plain text, headers >> are caught or something? >> > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > You are receiving this email because you have registered with RootsWeb > Mailing Lists. Manage your email preferences at: > https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/accounts/subscriptions/ > > To unsubscribe send an email to mailto:[email protected] > ?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe > > View the archives for this list at: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestr > y.com/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/ > > Your privacy is important to us. View our Privacy Statement at > https://www.ancestry.com/cs/legal/privacystatement for more information. > Use of RootsWeb is subject to our Terms and Conditions > https://www.ancestry.com/cs/legal/termsandconditions > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

Hi Janet No I have checked all lists to make sure they are set the same individually Under Settings > Message Acceptance This one is set to Accept immediately (bypass other rules) With non members Hold for moderation Yet the simplest of messages including my own get held Unless there is a setting elsewhere I am unaware of ? Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 14-Apr-18 9:08 AM, Janet Crawford wrote: > Nivard, On the list where your posts are being held for moderation, are you > subbed in as post immediately? I had that problem at first on a single list > but after I changed the coding all have been going through OK. > Although it appears that you set a code once in one place, that doesn't > seem to be exactly true. I think you have to set things like post > immediately on each list; it is not a single setting that applies to all > lists in one swoop. > > Janet

Nivard, There are two (2) places for post settings. One is under Member Options then Administrative Options then Moderation. The other is under List Settings. I would assume the 2 must agree, or perhaps member supercedes List?? If you want to play around with these write me directly and I will sub into one of your inactive lists and we'll see if we can make the error happen and then go away/ Janet On Sat, Apr 14, 2018 at 9:40 AM, Nivard Ovington <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Janet > > No I have checked all lists to make sure they are set the same individually > > Under Settings > Message Acceptance > > This one is set to Accept immediately (bypass other rules) > > With non members Hold for moderation > > Yet the simplest of messages including my own get held > > Unless there is a setting elsewhere I am unaware of ? > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > On 14-Apr-18 9:08 AM, Janet Crawford wrote: > >> Nivard, On the list where your posts are being held for moderation, are >> you >> subbed in as post immediately? I had that problem at first on a single >> list >> but after I changed the coding all have been going through OK. >> Although it appears that you set a code once in one place, that doesn't >> seem to be exactly true. I think you have to set things like post >> immediately on each list; it is not a single setting that applies to all >> lists in one swoop. >> >> Janet >> > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > You are receiving this email because you have registered with RootsWeb > Mailing Lists. Manage your email preferences at: > https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/accounts/subscriptions/ > > To unsubscribe send an email to mailto:[email protected] > ?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe > > View the archives for this list at: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestr > y.com/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/ > > Your privacy is important to us. View our Privacy Statement at > https://www.ancestry.com/cs/legal/privacystatement for more information. > Use of RootsWeb is subject to our Terms and Conditions > https://www.ancestry.com/cs/legal/termsandconditions > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

Janet, what do you mean by, "are you subbed in as post immediately?" Is this another setting hidden somewhere that I have failed to find in spite of looking for it? FWIW I have set my List to accept immediately from subscribers, but it isn't doing that. It holds all messages irrespective of whether they are from subscribers or not. Fortunately or unfortunately it's not a very busy list at the moment, and it's easy enough to approve them individually, but if I had multiple Lists, or was getting a lot of posts, it would be a right PITA. Anne ANGUS List Administrator -----Original Message----- From: Janet Crawford [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 14 April 2018 09:09 To: Listowners list for Rootsweb list admins and moderators Subject: [LO]Re: na and subscriber posts Nivard, On the list where your posts are being held for moderation, are you subbed in as post immediately? I had that problem at first on a single list but after I changed the coding all have been going through OK. Although it appears that you set a code once in one place, that doesn't seem to be exactly true. I think you have to set things like post immediately on each list; it is not a single setting that applies to all lists in one swoop. Janet On Fri, Apr 13, 2018 at 10:40 PM, Nivard Ovington <[email protected]> wrote: > The problem is that some attachments are making it to the lists and > are not held > > We have become used to telling subscribers they cannot post an > attachment, yet they are getting through now > > If they are getting through it can't be the reason some posts are held > for release > > Plus I am having my own posts held for my own moderation ;-) > > And I certainly don't use HTML , V cards are whatever else , I only > use plain text and have always done so > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > On 13-Apr-18 6:24 PM, Dan M wrote: > >> Exactly. >> As said, in theory. >> and so fat they don't, my point was, not only html but v cards are >> showing up caught as well as plain text. >> Some attachments are so small, they could* slip past settings, and >> especially since setting don't work,who know whats going on in there. >> Any way, since last 20 years we have told people plain text and no >> signatures and v cards. >> Maybe something in the mail programs is not pure plain text, >> headers are caught or something? >> > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > You are receiving this email because you have registered with RootsWeb > Mailing Lists. Manage your email preferences at: > https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/accounts/subscriptions/ > > To unsubscribe send an email to mailto:[email protected] > ?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe > > View the archives for this list at: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestr > y.com/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/ > > Your privacy is important to us. View our Privacy Statement at > https://www.ancestry.com/cs/legal/privacystatement for more information. > Use of RootsWeb is subject to our Terms and Conditions > https://www.ancestry.com/cs/legal/termsandconditions > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal > RootsWeb community > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ You are receiving this email because you have registered with RootsWeb Mailing Lists. Manage your email preferences at: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/accounts/subscriptions/ To unsubscribe send an email to mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe View the archives for this list at: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/ Your privacy is important to us. View our Privacy Statement at https://www.ancestry.com/cs/legal/privacystatement for more information. Use of RootsWeb is subject to our Terms and Conditions https://www.ancestry.com/cs/legal/termsandconditions RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

I only have two subscribers whose messages get straight through to the list with very small messages. If I reply to them my messages are held for approval and I do reply in plain text and remove the footers. All other subscriber messages are held for approval. Some are obviously in html format as they show as attachment.html but others are plain text. I'm beginning to wonder if there is a problem with the size of the messages allowed through to the list. There doesn't seem to be anywhere to change the maximum size allowable other than for Digest. Meryl Yost AUS-Tasmania list

Further to my previous message, I have just checked a bounce to the AUS-Tasmania list that I still have from before the change with Mailman. The reason stated for the message being held was: Reason: Message body is too big: 18748 bytes with a limit of 10 KB Are we getting messages held because they are too large? Do we need a setting to change the size? Is the reason given n/a (not applicable) because there is no setting in the new system to give the reason that the message is too large? Meryl Yost AUS-Tasmania list

Meryl, Often one can get a "too big" post when the sender is using Rich Text and not Plain Text. I just reject them and ask that they change it to Plain. It's easy. Just copy the message and post it to something like Notepad which will drop off the coding. Then recopy the message off Notepad and paste it to a Rootsweb message. Takes 5 seconds. Janet On Sat, Apr 14, 2018 at 10:49 AM, Meryl Yost <[email protected]> wrote: > Further to my previous message, I have just checked a bounce to the > AUS-Tasmania list that I still have from before the change with Mailman. > The reason stated for the message being held was: > > Reason: Message body is too big: 18748 bytes with a limit of 10 KB > > Are we getting messages held because they are too large? Do we need a > setting to change the size? > Is the reason given n/a (not applicable) because there is no setting in the > new system to give the reason that the message is too large? > > Meryl Yost > AUS-Tasmania list > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > You are receiving this email because you have registered with RootsWeb > Mailing Lists. Manage your email preferences at: https://lists.rootsweb. > ancestry.com/postorius/accounts/subscriptions/ > > To unsubscribe send an email to mailto:[email protected] > ?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe > > View the archives for this list at: https://lists.rootsweb. > ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/ > > Your privacy is important to us. View our Privacy Statement at > https://www.ancestry.com/cs/legal/privacystatement for more information. > Use of RootsWeb is subject to our Terms and Conditions > https://www.ancestry.com/cs/legal/termsandconditions > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

Thats not happening.  I am set to send as received, I have seen little to no rich text messages, either in private or list. I write to people that cant post, only one replied in rich text. How ever one of my listowner address are set to rich, they still post. plain 2kb converted to rich don't add enough to hit 20 to 60 kb.  Not sure I plan to use reject either. Dan On 04/14/2018 03:43 AM, Janet Crawford wrote: > Meryl, Often one can get a "too big" post when the sender is using Rich > Text and not Plain Text. I just reject them and ask that they change it to > Plain. It's easy. Just copy the message and post it to something like > Notepad which will drop off the coding. Then recopy the message off Notepad > and paste it to a Rootsweb message. Takes 5 seconds. > > Janet > >

Janet, are you saying that with the new system you are getting notifications of posts that are too large to post? If that's the case, where are the settings in MailMan to change the size of acceptable posts? The only notifications I've received are N/A or not a member. Lynne On 4/14/2018 6:43 AM, Janet Crawford wrote: > Meryl, Often one can get a "too big" post when the sender is using Rich > Text and not Plain Text. I just reject them and ask that they change it to > Plain. It's easy. Just copy the message and post it to something like > Notepad which will drop off the coding. Then recopy the message off Notepad > and paste it to a Rootsweb message. Takes 5 seconds. > > Janet

On 04/14/2018 06:53 AM, Lynne wrote: > Janet, are you saying that with the new system you are getting > notifications of posts that are too large to post?  If that's the > case, where are the settings in MailMan to change the size of > acceptable posts?   The only notifications I've received are N/A or > not a member. > > Lynne  One thing to look for in na. bcc 'could' cause an implicit and catch as na. just one idea to look for. Dan

Some notes or observations. note - When Anne posted to me in private - my red flag went off in thunderbird to check preferences.    Something in her message set off the warning.  None of my bouncing people have set off the flag. One thing to check; how high is your sending security and fire walls and anti virus?  Should be low level medium for what we use for email. We all have the same setting in our admin pages ( headers ) Some place in the caught headers, might be the real cause. Plenty to study in there. Mailman setup, radio and other settings and * and mail man and which mail man runs and was set to in setup. How ever I don't think that is the problem because I think it is personal. Log a note, what servers are caught, we all been through the black listing before. Most of us long time list admin, should be experienced enough to back up off all complaints and look for the real cause. Think about the above. I am using Linux, not microsoft, have no problems. Mailman and thunder bird and mozilla are linux products I was, a ms home consultant in my neighborhood helped many people with so many problems simple and complex.  Something tells me this is a simple solution, because we have people posting normally that no changes been made to their mailman settings by the admin.  So,it just looks like it is in one area, headers and that includes the fire walls and anti virus and security settings could be possible things to look over. Find out what the reasons in the headers mean. Dan M