Below are the headers for an email posted to the RootsWeb-Help mailing list today. I have munged the poster's email address. Will those of you who are experienced in reading email headers look them over and see if I have correctly identified the two problems that are or may be preventing some subscribers (including me) from receiving list mail at our preferred address. And if you spot something else ..... I have highlighted < *** MY NOTE *** > the following two areas that I think may be affecting acceptance of list mail by some ISPs. 1) GMail says they don't like Proofpoint. Coincidentally, the mail lists stopped using Proofpoint for a brief time, then resumed it at approximately the same time att.net stopped delivering my list mail to me at my att.net address. While this is a SoftFail, if GMail doesn't like Proofpoint, I'm sure other ISPs don't either. 2) Perhaps even more important, this mail fails DKIM verification, meaning the sender address may be spoofed. NOT GOOD! 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Oh I'm not suggesting you haven't had problems. I'm just trying to figure out how the mail systems work. I thought at one point when they made some changes to AOL Webmail they said they did it because it was being combined with Yahoo mail. Joan Young jyoung6180@aol.com -----Original Message----- From: Pat Asher <pasher@ee.net> To: Listowners list for Rootsweb list admins and moderators <listowners@rootsweb.com> Cc: Joan Young <jyoung6180@aol.com> Sent: Mon, Oct 8, 2018 6:04 pm Subject: Re: [LO] Re: ISP @sbcglobal.net - not receiving posts At 04:57 PM 10/8/2018, Joan Young via LISTOWNERS wrote: >I thought Yahoo mail was now integrated with AOL Webmail? If so, I'm >not having any issues with AOL mail. Joan, I only know what I have been dealing with for almost 2 months now. I have talked to various levels of tech support at att.net 3 or 4 times now. They all swear they are not blocking mail from rootsweb.com, but it doesn't arrive anywhere, and I check my spam folder regularly. They just stopped delivering it after the level got to to 30 to 50 posts a day. That was a temporary traffic level due to all the questions about gaining access to web sites, but at some level, the ISP just stopped accepting it at all, and not only putting it in my spam folder to mark as NOT spam. And David Cann's ISP is earthlink.net, and now he is apparently starting to have problems -- I have an alternate ISP I can use for email. For those users who have only one ISP, they are going to be in limbo, unable to receive list mail and unable to do anything about it and the folks in charge of the rootsweb.com domain are going to have to figure out who or what they need to do to keep the mail lists operating. Pat Asher

At 04:57 PM 10/8/2018, Joan Young via LISTOWNERS wrote: >I thought Yahoo mail was now integrated with AOL Webmail? If so, I'm >not having any issues with AOL mail. Joan, I only know what I have been dealing with for almost 2 months now. I have talked to various levels of tech support at att.net 3 or 4 times now. They all swear they are not blocking mail from rootsweb.com, but it doesn't arrive anywhere, and I check my spam folder regularly. They just stopped delivering it after the level got to to 30 to 50 posts a day. That was a temporary traffic level due to all the questions about gaining access to web sites, but at some level, the ISP just stopped accepting it at all, and not only putting it in my spam folder to mark as NOT spam. And David Cann's ISP is earthlink.net, and now he is apparently starting to have problems -- I have an alternate ISP I can use for email. For those users who have only one ISP, they are going to be in limbo, unable to receive list mail and unable to do anything about it and the folks in charge of the rootsweb.com domain are going to have to figure out who or what they need to do to keep the mail lists operating. Pat Asher

I, too, have not receiving Rootsweb email on this account (ATT) in over a month.  I, too, have been on ATT chat with wonderful ATT employees a couple of times.  Each time, we have gone through Yahoo email (which has been managing ATT email for years) and found no messages being held, etc..  ATT told me that the blocking was not happening at their end. To make things even crazier.  Rootsweb has been sending my ATT email to my gmail account without me telling them to do so.  I get Rootsweb single posts of ONLY for the lists I admin at Rootsweb.  I have the diaries sent to ATT but since over a month, I am not getting them at ATT, so I opened an Outlook account for just diaries. This past weekend, I have gone through all my subscriptions, personal and for the many lists that I admin.  Mysteriously many of my subscriptions had been switched to the gmail account without any input from me. I wrote to Ann last Friday to tell her about how Rootsweb was switching my subscriptions without any input from me.  Plus, I told her that ATT emphatically said the problem is not at their end.  She said she would recheck to see what is actually going on. Personally, I think the problem lies somewhere in the Rootsweb coding. -- Pat Connors https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.connorsgenealogy.com&d=DwIDaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=QqKR_1oid-wv3O1GFus6ukhkWVArI2oTvHi2_JUm6dE&m=72kfDITAikB-CRpLvnuIu0No5ZiBv6pHsMSEcXF4xdo&s=8aRtWm-J9d3DWq-cxMU6zZng4-40lZVOdMD0_lsRc3s&e=

I thought Yahoo mail was now integrated with AOL Webmail? If so, I'm not having any issues with AOL mail. Joan Young jyoung6180@aol.com -----Original Message----- From: Pat Asher <pasher@ee.net> To: Listowners list for Rootsweb list admins and moderators <listowners@rootsweb.com> Cc: annerootsweb <annerootsweb@gmail.com> Sent: Mon, Oct 8, 2018 3:28 pm Subject: [LO] Re: ISP @sbcglobal.net - not receiving posts At 12:40 PM 10/8/2018, Anne Mitchell wrote: >Just so you know, we have looked into it and as far and they don't claim to >be blocking us. We continue to look into the situation but we haven't been >able to figure it out. Anne, second tier tech support at att.net swore to me that they were not blocking rootsweb.com, but they obviously are. I have kept a couple of subscriptions using an att.net address not linked to my mailman account so I can verify when or if they start accepting rootsweb.com mail again. And apparently some other ISPs are also starting to block RW mail, probably based on volume. I was fine until the Freepages-Help and RootsWeb-Help lists went nuts when you started bringing hosted web sites back on line and everyone (hundreds at the same time) wanted to know how to access their sites. I will point out that AT&T and its affiliates use mail.yahoo.com and perhaps that is who you need to talk to. Pat Asher _______________________________________________ Email preferences: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__bit.ly_rootswebpref&d=DwICaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=QqKR_1oid-wv3O1GFus6ukhkWVArI2oTvHi2_JUm6dE&m=WFamQzjR0hwQNghPkpNCNUc05d9K_PvMOosSCFNTQ2c&s=uIAd7p80LucAdPMBjW0CmbBRC5dXsDLkZPgn6n2rbJA&e= Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/listowners@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2JWBOdY&d=DwICaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=QqKR_1oid-wv3O1GFus6ukhkWVArI2oTvHi2_JUm6dE&m=WFamQzjR0hwQNghPkpNCNUc05d9K_PvMOosSCFNTQ2c&s=wMhl12pI1WZO52Rqg9r8Cp9w45dBAYidhKTFTz19whQ&e= Terms and Conditions: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2HDBym9&d=DwICaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=QqKR_1oid-wv3O1GFus6ukhkWVArI2oTvHi2_JUm6dE&m=WFamQzjR0hwQNghPkpNCNUc05d9K_PvMOosSCFNTQ2c&s=1er-wHe36wCN9vsZN0KQkqGZuL5tx1tj1Eg9Iqw1mKA&e= Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

For whatever reason (the headers I'm sure) your posts make it to the list but replies are held. Whatever you can work out to not reflect the list as the sender (which IS a non-subscriber) should work. Joan Young jyoung6180@aol.com -----Original Message----- From: Susie Zada <szada@zades.com.au> To: 'Listowners list for Rootsweb list admins and moderators' <listowners@rootsweb.com> Sent: Mon, Oct 8, 2018 4:28 pm Subject: [LO] Re: Test message for Joan Hi Joan and Malcolm, I loathe and detest RainLoop - I got stuck with it when a friend helped me out with a problem with my ISP. They took over the regional ISP that I had been using for many years and promptly deleted my database (1.7+ million records for free regional research) and web site with more than 400 pages. They had also corrupted their so-called backup of my site and database! I was just grateful when an alternative was sorted out but the end result was I got stuck with RainLoop. I tried setting up Outlook on my new ISP / mail but failed and haven't had any help to sort it out. I have a couple of options: 1. Use my old backup computer for all Rootsweb mail - I have my fingers crossed that this one will work OK and not get held. 2. Work out how to send from my Gmail account but from my szada@zades.com.au email 3. Set up my gmail account as listowner of my lists 4. Not sure! About to head off for another day full of meetings - busy week all around - but I'll keep trying to sort something out - I hate being a nuisance! And just for fun - if anyone has ANY ancestors in Geelong and District, Victoria, Australia, my database is FULL of references! https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__zades.com.au_gandd_index.php_databases_gddbs&d=DwICAg&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=QqKR_1oid-wv3O1GFus6ukhkWVArI2oTvHi2_JUm6dE&m=7x3-hlcIYdcJsEDZWVUiI_EbUUKORKOCPGa2Ezwco2Q&s=eJK12TEjhoUYrtscwlPlfQjBfj26_JSxoZs2qnIfcnk&e= Regards ... Susie Z -----Original Message----- From: Joan Young via LISTOWNERS <listowners@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, 9 October 2018 1:22 AM To: listowners@rootsweb.com Cc: szada@zades.com.au; Joan Young <jyoung6180@aol.com> Subject: [LO] Re: Test message for Joan I'm sure Susie will see this on the list but I'm copying her privately as well. Thanks, Malcolm. I do think you have found the problem in that I had asked previously why it looked like Susie's mail was coming from the listowners list. Then she sent me an email and it clearly was coming directly from her. I do think MailMan is picking up Susie's sending address as the list. Joan Young jyoung6180@aol.com -----Original Message----- From: Malcolm Austen <malcolm.austen@weald.org.uk> To: Listowners list for Rootsweb list admins and moderators <listowners@rootsweb.com> Sent: Mon, Oct 8, 2018 4:21 am Subject: [LO] Re: Test message for Joan On Sun, 07 Oct 2018 22:41:26 +0100, Malcolm Austen <malcolm.austen@weald.org.uk> wrote: > Well, if Susie can reply to a list message and include me as well in > the to list - a reply all to this email may suffice - I'll have a read > of the header details tomorrow, it's getting late here now From Susie's headers I see that she is using a webmail application called RainLoop. I presume that's provided by her ISP, it seems to be the root cause of the problem. Susie's direct messages that do reach the list include the header: From: szada@zades.com.au That's minimalist but acceptable the world over. However, when she replies to a list message RainLoop says: From: "szada@zades.com.au" <listowners@rootsweb.com> That says "My real name is szada@zades.com.au and my address is listowners@rootsweb.com" Clearly she is not sending from the list address - and the list is not a subscriber to the list, we can live without infinite loops! Susie might find it worth trying her ISP's support system or that of RainLoop. I rather doubt this is something she can fix in her profile/options in RainLoop. I should add that I have never used (and never wish to use) RainLoop and no nothing about it that cannot be read on their web page - https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.rainloop.net&d=DwIC bA&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=QqKR_1oid-wv3O1GFus6ukhkWVArI2oTvHi2_JUm6dE&m= pYBmxSUlt5ianh_DFqLqEhWhlDl6KmFc84yPUJgh60Y&s=38W-bwPdqMctW-I9WlIXfNf3iwf3ob dN1wSg9gdmf_Q&e= HTH, Malcolm. -- Malcolm Austen <malcolm.austen@weald.org.uk> _______________________________________________ Email preferences: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__bit.ly_rootswebpref&d=DwICaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=QqKR_1oid-wv3O1GFus6ukhkWVArI2oTvHi2_JUm6dE&m=SHF3t5r_awR7y7ZtP5OLrCMMqWx53YDCCTl-0LEib6U&s=c9agd3sSrfLGlm5sjSyXqqMFU1IRQRrx8-e_IZqeK7A&e= Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/listowners@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2JWBOdY&d=DwICaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=QqKR_1oid-wv3O1GFus6ukhkWVArI2oTvHi2_JUm6dE&m=SHF3t5r_awR7y7ZtP5OLrCMMqWx53YDCCTl-0LEib6U&s=nkO8I9kmkhBZ80IiBRfG2x0py_4gjYdn0WYAQFQLR9I&e= Terms and Conditions: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2HDBym9&d=DwICaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=QqKR_1oid-wv3O1GFus6ukhkWVArI2oTvHi2_JUm6dE&m=SHF3t5r_awR7y7ZtP5OLrCMMqWx53YDCCTl-0LEib6U&s=TtbQ9laAZx99xJ2XrB8RSqe-r_57F1K0eLS7RSXgixQ&e= Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hi Joan and Malcolm, I loathe and detest RainLoop - I got stuck with it when a friend helped me out with a problem with my ISP. They took over the regional ISP that I had been using for many years and promptly deleted my database (1.7+ million records for free regional research) and web site with more than 400 pages. They had also corrupted their so-called backup of my site and database! I was just grateful when an alternative was sorted out but the end result was I got stuck with RainLoop. I tried setting up Outlook on my new ISP / mail but failed and haven't had any help to sort it out. I have a couple of options: 1. Use my old backup computer for all Rootsweb mail - I have my fingers crossed that this one will work OK and not get held. 2. Work out how to send from my Gmail account but from my szada@zades.com.au email 3. Set up my gmail account as listowner of my lists 4. Not sure! About to head off for another day full of meetings - busy week all around - but I'll keep trying to sort something out - I hate being a nuisance! And just for fun - if anyone has ANY ancestors in Geelong and District, Victoria, Australia, my database is FULL of references! https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__zades.com.au_gandd_index.php_databases_gddbs&d=DwICAg&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=QqKR_1oid-wv3O1GFus6ukhkWVArI2oTvHi2_JUm6dE&m=7x3-hlcIYdcJsEDZWVUiI_EbUUKORKOCPGa2Ezwco2Q&s=eJK12TEjhoUYrtscwlPlfQjBfj26_JSxoZs2qnIfcnk&e= Regards ... Susie Z -----Original Message----- From: Joan Young via LISTOWNERS <listowners@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, 9 October 2018 1:22 AM To: listowners@rootsweb.com Cc: szada@zades.com.au; Joan Young <jyoung6180@aol.com> Subject: [LO] Re: Test message for Joan I'm sure Susie will see this on the list but I'm copying her privately as well. Thanks, Malcolm. I do think you have found the problem in that I had asked previously why it looked like Susie's mail was coming from the listowners list. Then she sent me an email and it clearly was coming directly from her. I do think MailMan is picking up Susie's sending address as the list. Joan Young jyoung6180@aol.com -----Original Message----- From: Malcolm Austen <malcolm.austen@weald.org.uk> To: Listowners list for Rootsweb list admins and moderators <listowners@rootsweb.com> Sent: Mon, Oct 8, 2018 4:21 am Subject: [LO] Re: Test message for Joan On Sun, 07 Oct 2018 22:41:26 +0100, Malcolm Austen <malcolm.austen@weald.org.uk> wrote: > Well, if Susie can reply to a list message and include me as well in > the to list - a reply all to this email may suffice - I'll have a read > of the header details tomorrow, it's getting late here now From Susie's headers I see that she is using a webmail application called RainLoop. I presume that's provided by her ISP, it seems to be the root cause of the problem. Susie's direct messages that do reach the list include the header: From: szada@zades.com.au That's minimalist but acceptable the world over. However, when she replies to a list message RainLoop says: From: "szada@zades.com.au" <listowners@rootsweb.com> That says "My real name is szada@zades.com.au and my address is listowners@rootsweb.com" Clearly she is not sending from the list address - and the list is not a subscriber to the list, we can live without infinite loops! Susie might find it worth trying her ISP's support system or that of RainLoop. I rather doubt this is something she can fix in her profile/options in RainLoop. I should add that I have never used (and never wish to use) RainLoop and no nothing about it that cannot be read on their web page - https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.rainloop.net&d=DwIC bA&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=QqKR_1oid-wv3O1GFus6ukhkWVArI2oTvHi2_JUm6dE&m= pYBmxSUlt5ianh_DFqLqEhWhlDl6KmFc84yPUJgh60Y&s=38W-bwPdqMctW-I9WlIXfNf3iwf3ob dN1wSg9gdmf_Q&e= HTH, Malcolm. -- Malcolm Austen <malcolm.austen@weald.org.uk>

At 12:40 PM 10/8/2018, Anne Mitchell wrote: >Just so you know, we have looked into it and as far and they don't claim to >be blocking us. We continue to look into the situation but we haven't been >able to figure it out. Anne, second tier tech support at att.net swore to me that they were not blocking rootsweb.com, but they obviously are. I have kept a couple of subscriptions using an att.net address not linked to my mailman account so I can verify when or if they start accepting rootsweb.com mail again. And apparently some other ISPs are also starting to block RW mail, probably based on volume. I was fine until the Freepages-Help and RootsWeb-Help lists went nuts when you started bringing hosted web sites back on line and everyone (hundreds at the same time) wanted to know how to access their sites. I will point out that AT&T and its affiliates use mail.yahoo.com and perhaps that is who you need to talk to. Pat Asher

Just so you know, we have looked into it and as far and they don't claim to be blocking us. We continue to look into the situation but we haven't been able to figure it out. If anyone wants to substitute their att type address with a gmail, outlook, or yahoo email (these all seem to work reliably) let me know. Anne On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 8:12 AM DVHH Mailing List Administrator < dvhhemail.darlene@gmail.com> wrote: > Hello everyone, > > We have a list member who uses the ISP @sbcglobal.net, who is not > receiving > posts. I tried unsubscribing her and re-subscribing her. She didn't even > get the welcome email. She belongs to another email list through Rootsweb, > the BANAT list and is not receiving posts from there either. > I have about 20 other list members who use this ISP. I have emailed them > directly from my admin/owner email address and so far have not received any > responses, except a couple of non-deliverable notifications. > > She also sent an email to donauschwaben-villages-admin@rootsweb.com, which > should have gone to 4 different email addresses, but was not received by > any of them. I tested sending to this address separately from my DVHH > member email address and everyone got it. > > Has anyone else had any issues with this ISP? or similar problems > recently? > > Thank you. > > ----------------------------------------------- > Darlene D > DVHH Mailing List Administrator > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__bit.ly_rootswebpref&d=DwIBaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=QqKR_1oid-wv3O1GFus6ukhkWVArI2oTvHi2_JUm6dE&m=-9YBCN3aff5h75HhK3tmkzagV-zU5MSGA2d3eedF53E&s=2Wq05gghZPlpHH8civsMn-OJ8iK0MDUGYRUTJsdZEEM&e= > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/listowners@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2JWBOdY&d=DwIBaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=QqKR_1oid-wv3O1GFus6ukhkWVArI2oTvHi2_JUm6dE&m=-9YBCN3aff5h75HhK3tmkzagV-zU5MSGA2d3eedF53E&s=PGIePTmlsKEfbWtzzaCLN2GHPGdE-KB8RTZkDGrbTOE&e= Terms and Conditions: > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2HDBym9&d=DwIBaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=QqKR_1oid-wv3O1GFus6ukhkWVArI2oTvHi2_JUm6dE&m=-9YBCN3aff5h75HhK3tmkzagV-zU5MSGA2d3eedF53E&s=-j-Vxgi-qwoImDLNrwyYF23oJfOxqeLKbqGhSFxV-4k&e= > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

You're using an outdated link. Here's the correct one. https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/sprague.rootsweb.com/ On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 8:01 AM Bob Bartlett <bob.bobbartlett@gmail.com> wrote: > https://lists.rootsweb.com/tools/Sprague > This what I get: > > "Something isn't right here. > We've encountered a 404 error. > Looking for a way out? > If you are looking for a Rootsweb Mailing Lists, you can find a specific > list or search the list archives > Looking for a World Connect Family Tree? > You can start searching for your ancestors in our trees > Looking for a Hosted Web Site? > You’ll find it in our RootsWeb Hosted Web Sites index > The RootsWeb Wiki will offer you research articles as well as The Source: A > Guidebook to American Genealogy and Red Book: American State, County, and > Town Sources > Also, you might want to check out the RootsWeb Blog - it is where we keep > you up to date on what is happening with RootsWeb." > > What am I doing incorrectly? >

I'm sure Susie will see this on the list but I'm copying her privately as well. Thanks, Malcolm. I do think you have found the problem in that I had asked previously why it looked like Susie's mail was coming from the listowners list. Then she sent me an email and it clearly was coming directly from her. I do think MailMan is picking up Susie's sending address as the list. Joan Young jyoung6180@aol.com -----Original Message----- From: Malcolm Austen <malcolm.austen@weald.org.uk> To: Listowners list for Rootsweb list admins and moderators <listowners@rootsweb.com> Sent: Mon, Oct 8, 2018 4:21 am Subject: [LO] Re: Test message for Joan On Sun, 07 Oct 2018 22:41:26 +0100, Malcolm Austen <malcolm.austen@weald.org.uk> wrote: > Well, if Susie can reply to a list message and include me as well in the > to list - a reply all to this email may suffice - I'll have a read of > the header details tomorrow, it's getting late here now From Susie's headers I see that she is using a webmail application called RainLoop. I presume that's provided by her ISP, it seems to be the root cause of the problem. Susie's direct messages that do reach the list include the header: From: szada@zades.com.au That's minimalist but acceptable the world over. However, when she replies to a list message RainLoop says: From: "szada@zades.com.au" <listowners@rootsweb.com> That says "My real name is szada@zades.com.au and my address is listowners@rootsweb.com" Clearly she is not sending from the list address - and the list is not a subscriber to the list, we can live without infinite loops! Susie might find it worth trying her ISP's support system or that of RainLoop. I rather doubt this is something she can fix in her profile/options in RainLoop. I should add that I have never used (and never wish to use) RainLoop and no nothing about it that cannot be read on their web page - https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.rainloop.net&d=DwICbA&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=QqKR_1oid-wv3O1GFus6ukhkWVArI2oTvHi2_JUm6dE&m=pYBmxSUlt5ianh_DFqLqEhWhlDl6KmFc84yPUJgh60Y&s=38W-bwPdqMctW-I9WlIXfNf3iwf3obdN1wSg9gdmf_Q&e= HTH, Malcolm. -- Malcolm Austen <malcolm.austen@weald.org.uk> _______________________________________________ Email preferences: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__bit.ly_rootswebpref&d=DwICaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=QqKR_1oid-wv3O1GFus6ukhkWVArI2oTvHi2_JUm6dE&m=K3khSxjP8r25InRUGJsVrH3EBMyfboSUv-01mSkmxkE&s=YVexAHJ0jh9LeVWsLRdnypFs6ej5SG_OgEvIcRtbZW4&e= Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/listowners@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2JWBOdY&d=DwICaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=QqKR_1oid-wv3O1GFus6ukhkWVArI2oTvHi2_JUm6dE&m=K3khSxjP8r25InRUGJsVrH3EBMyfboSUv-01mSkmxkE&s=pDRyymtmswR2j4Lv9-C_Q42Zfmg-XPJ0blpfzVOA6dM&e= Terms and Conditions: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2HDBym9&d=DwICaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=QqKR_1oid-wv3O1GFus6ukhkWVArI2oTvHi2_JUm6dE&m=K3khSxjP8r25InRUGJsVrH3EBMyfboSUv-01mSkmxkE&s=7nxeaFdJ3jl9Mgzoek2sn3vbO_jU0Hoz_jD4daPprrc&e= Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

At 09:20 AM 10/8/2018, David E. Cann wrote: >Please forgive the test message, but I am still not receiving any list mail >from ANY RW LIST to this list address. Trying to see if this makes it >through. David, your outgoing posts are making it to the list. Your ISP (along with att and affiliates) is just not accepting your incoming list mail from rootsweb.com. Pat Asher

Please forgive the test message, but I am still not receiving any list mail from ANY RW LIST to this list address. Trying to see if this makes it through. David

That's the link under the old system Try this https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/sprague.rootsweb.com/ Gene At 07:00 AM 10/8/2018, Bob Bartlett wrote: >https://lists.rootsweb.com/tools/Sprague >This what I get: > >"Something isn't right here. >We've encountered a 404 error. >Looking for a way out? >If you are looking for a Rootsweb Mailing Lists, you can find a specific >list or search the list archives >Looking for a World Connect Family Tree? >You can start searching for your ancestors in our trees >Looking for a Hosted Web Site? >You’ll find it in our RootsWeb Hosted Web Sites index >The RootsWeb Wiki will offer you research articles as well as The Source: A >Guidebook to American Genealogy and Red Book: American State, County, and >Town Sources >Also, you might want to check out the RootsWeb Blog - it is where we keep >you up to date on what is happening with RootsWeb." > >What am I doing incorrectly? > >_______________________________________________ >Email preferences: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__bit.ly_rootswebpref&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=QqKR_1oid-wv3O1GFus6ukhkWVArI2oTvHi2_JUm6dE&m=7JTIYzcYMNyE5GAq7lpjEk0hfDzhnix-Z0OGNWy09b8&s=gxPiSRNt9wnt6KvrrI3Lqe2D4_A9rWYKV6n8GSfRgkM&e= >Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/listowners@rootsweb.com >Privacy Statement: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2JWBOdY&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=QqKR_1oid-wv3O1GFus6ukhkWVArI2oTvHi2_JUm6dE&m=7JTIYzcYMNyE5GAq7lpjEk0hfDzhnix-Z0OGNWy09b8&s=-JARd66-xe8ydEu30YIj1H_0qZSgULzSBYRBVImX1OE&e= Terms and Conditions: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2HDBym9&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=QqKR_1oid-wv3O1GFus6ukhkWVArI2oTvHi2_JUm6dE&m=7JTIYzcYMNyE5GAq7lpjEk0hfDzhnix-Z0OGNWy09b8&s=8mVxpGHSOedI-pBKRATyj2UDO7qSoYYXYuKmF9tqcW8&e= >Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > > >--- >This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. >https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.avg.com&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=QqKR_1oid-wv3O1GFus6ukhkWVArI2oTvHi2_JUm6dE&m=7JTIYzcYMNyE5GAq7lpjEk0hfDzhnix-Z0OGNWy09b8&s=O_YPdblbPBMLGEcNqtCXnY9zhT1rEN5Cme6A3hYZtCY&e=

https://lists.rootsweb.com/tools/Sprague This what I get: "Something isn't right here. We've encountered a 404 error. Looking for a way out? If you are looking for a Rootsweb Mailing Lists, you can find a specific list or search the list archives Looking for a World Connect Family Tree? You can start searching for your ancestors in our trees Looking for a Hosted Web Site? You’ll find it in our RootsWeb Hosted Web Sites index The RootsWeb Wiki will offer you research articles as well as The Source: A Guidebook to American Genealogy and Red Book: American State, County, and Town Sources Also, you might want to check out the RootsWeb Blog - it is where we keep you up to date on what is happening with RootsWeb." What am I doing incorrectly?

On Sun, 07 Oct 2018 22:41:26 +0100, Malcolm Austen <malcolm.austen@weald.org.uk> wrote: > Well, if Susie can reply to a list message and include me as well in the > to list - a reply all to this email may suffice - I'll have a read of > the header details tomorrow, it's getting late here now From Susie's headers I see that she is using a webmail application called RainLoop. I presume that's provided by her ISP, it seems to be the root cause of the problem. Susie's direct messages that do reach the list include the header: From: szada@zades.com.au That's minimalist but acceptable the world over. However, when she replies to a list message RainLoop says: From: "szada@zades.com.au" <listowners@rootsweb.com> That says "My real name is szada@zades.com.au and my address is listowners@rootsweb.com" Clearly she is not sending from the list address - and the list is not a subscriber to the list, we can live without infinite loops! Susie might find it worth trying her ISP's support system or that of RainLoop. I rather doubt this is something she can fix in her profile/options in RainLoop. I should add that I have never used (and never wish to use) RainLoop and no nothing about it that cannot be read on their web page - https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.rainloop.net&d=DwICbA&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=QqKR_1oid-wv3O1GFus6ukhkWVArI2oTvHi2_JUm6dE&m=pYBmxSUlt5ianh_DFqLqEhWhlDl6KmFc84yPUJgh60Y&s=38W-bwPdqMctW-I9WlIXfNf3iwf3obdN1wSg9gdmf_Q&e= HTH, Malcolm. -- Malcolm Austen <malcolm.austen@weald.org.uk>

you got that right. David On 10/7/2018 2:32 PM, Richard Berkheiser wrote: > Didn't we just have this discussion not that long ago that the Ban List > isn't for banning spam addresses? > > Rick B

I had a similar issue. It was a stale bookmark. Keith On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 7:47 PM Bob Bartlett <bob.bobbartlett@gmail.com> wrote: > I am getting 404 errors when I try to reach the administrator page for the > Sprague list. I am logged into Rootsweb but cannot get to the > administrator page? > Thank you > Bob > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__bit.ly_rootswebpref&d=DwIBaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=QqKR_1oid-wv3O1GFus6ukhkWVArI2oTvHi2_JUm6dE&m=fg4Xl6Cx6GbAwms0YIdmH18DPicHazxZsNUnY1VjKRc&s=8fJbrb_oruRHbZp35gvZIAobS6CTpufV279EDhhbwFs&e= > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/listowners@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2JWBOdY&d=DwIBaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=QqKR_1oid-wv3O1GFus6ukhkWVArI2oTvHi2_JUm6dE&m=fg4Xl6Cx6GbAwms0YIdmH18DPicHazxZsNUnY1VjKRc&s=cNSvEqR636mXrE9D82EOX5dctU-aeK4mvuw-Gn9kAE8&e= Terms and Conditions: > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2HDBym9&d=DwIBaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=QqKR_1oid-wv3O1GFus6ukhkWVArI2oTvHi2_JUm6dE&m=fg4Xl6Cx6GbAwms0YIdmH18DPicHazxZsNUnY1VjKRc&s=xV3SoHToYqPnKqS-HnN5OQj5A2WPBCH5oIxn3iTwVeU&e= > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > -- +1.248.891.6434 Michigan, USA (Eastern Time)

I see now that I am having the AT&T problem. I will try to fix it.  Will let you know if I am successful. My list admin pages are working fine Mr. Bob Bartlett. Mike On 10/7/2018 6:44 PM, Mike Flannigan wrote: > > Mostly just checking to see if I am still on > this list.  It says I am subscribed, but I > am not getting the posts shown in the archives. > Still trying to figure out what is wrong. > > How is everybody?  I know many of the RW websites > have been restored.  Perhaps more will follow. > Any other news?  I am reading the archives now. > > > > Mike >

I am getting 404 errors when I try to reach the administrator page for the Sprague list. I am logged into Rootsweb but cannot get to the administrator page? Thank you Bob