Thanks, Anne. >From: RW Mailing Lists <rwmailinglists@ancestry.com> wrote: > >I will have someone put an notice there, but that page doesn't get a lot of traffic, so we shall see how useful it is.

I will have someone put an notice there, but that page doesn't get a lot of traffic, so we shall see how useful it is. -----Original Message----- From: Lynne <lklein@mindspring.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2018 7:46 AM To: Listowners list for Rootsweb list admins and moderators <listowners@rootsweb.com>; RW Mailing Lists <rwmailinglists@ancestry.com> Cc: Anne Mitchell <annerootsweb@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [LO] Re: Earthlink and other ISPs blocking problem Anne, until this issue is resolved could a notice please be placed on the Current Issues on RootsWeb page indicating that several ISPs are blocking RootsWeb mail and that subscribers should check list archives for missing messages? Thanks! Lynne

Pat, I sure hope so, but I sure wish we knew something one way or another. David E. Cann decann@infionline.net -----Original Message----- From: Pat Connors <nymets11@pacbell.net> Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2018 3:05 PM To: listowners@rootsweb.com Subject: [LO] My daily update on Rootsweb vs ATT Well, Rootsweb email is still not coming through to mine and others ATT accounts. However, someone posted to one of my lists and in her message was a link. Surprisingly none of the anti-spam stuff was around her link. It was clean! Hurrah, now I wonder if we outcasts will start getting our Rootsweb mail? -- Pat Connors http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

Pat, Define it any way you want to, but there is still something in there that needs to be removed then several providers lift the blockage sometime before I die of old age. In 20 years as a list admin/listowner I have seen this happen too many times (though not always with Earthlink), and I am getting VERY tired of seeing "the same script with different details" so often. ☹ David E. Cann decann@infionline.net -----Original Message----- From: Pat Asher <pasher@ee.net> Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2018 4:58 PM To: Listowners list for Rootsweb list admins and moderators <listowners@rootsweb.com> Cc: David E. Cann <decann@infionline.net> Subject: [LO] Re: Earthlink blocking problem At 04:36 PM 10/17/2018, W David Samuelsen wrote: >It is NOT malware !!! > >RW / Ancestry needs to do one thing - end the bloody relationship with >the infidel ProofPoint.com right now! > >Those ISPs are treating ProofPoint as malware because of the way the >links come out. David, while I hate the corrupted ProofPoint URLs as much as you obviously do, from the headers I have seen, most ISPs treat them as a Soft Fail. Unfortunately, there is a Hard Fail for DKIM, and that is probably the tipping point. Ancestry/RootsWeb needs to work with whatever gurus they use/consult to provide DKIM authentication for list mail (which is not particularly easy). Pat A.

At 04:36 PM 10/17/2018, W David Samuelsen wrote: >It is NOT malware !!! > >RW / Ancestry needs to do one thing - end the bloody relationship >with the infidel ProofPoint.com right now! > >Those ISPs are treating ProofPoint as malware because of the way the >links come out. David, while I hate the corrupted ProofPoint URLs as much as you obviously do, from the headers I have seen, most ISPs treat them as a Soft Fail. Unfortunately, there is a Hard Fail for DKIM, and that is probably the tipping point. Ancestry/RootsWeb needs to work with whatever gurus they use/consult to provide DKIM authentication for list mail (which is not particularly easy). Pat A.

Malware definition: software that is intended to damage or disable computers and computer systems. For more, see <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malware> Malware and sp*m are two different things. While sp*m may be used to attempt to deliver malware, all sp*m does not include malware. "International sp*mmers" compromising Ancestry servers? Give me a break. How in the world would they manage that? Even assuming they sent sp*m including a link to malware to a RootsWeb list, it would not affect the server since the server cannot "click" the link. Could an inexperienced list administrator approve an inappropriate subscriber or post? Certainly. How often does it happen? Does once in a blue moon sound about right? And even if it happened once or even twice, that does not mean the servers are "compromised." It means a new, inexperienced, or careless list admin made a mistake and exposed the list subscribers -- but not the server. You are being sold a bill of goods by your provider. Pat A. At 03:33 PM 10/17/2018, David E. Cann wrote: >Yes, no question about it. It is hard to deny it when my provider showed >them (2 of them) to me online. Both were known international spammers >compromising the Ancestry & Amazon servers that currently house the RW >lists. I wouldn't be surprised if the AT&T blockage is due to the same >thing, but I have no information on that one, although I have to wonder how >many other list subscribers are blocked as well that nobody knows about. > > >David E. Cann >decann@infionline.net > >-----Original Message----- >From: Pat Asher <pasher@ee.net> >Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2018 2:16 PM >To: Listowners list for Rootsweb list admins and moderators ><listowners@rootsweb.com> >Subject: [LO] Re: Earthlink blocking problem > >At 01:12 PM 10/17/2018, Nivard Ovington wrote: > >RootsWeb is being blocked at a minimum by AT&T (and all of their > >domains) and Earthlink (and all of their domains) because the RW > >servers are compromised by malware and sending spam. I have an > >Earthlink account, and this information was confirmed by my Earthlink > >Tech Support. > >David, do you really believe Ancestry servers are infected with malware? > >Do you understand that one of the first things ISPs look at when evaluating >a sender as a sp*mmer is volume, not content? > >When RootsWeb started bringing user web sites back on line, the volume on >the Freepages and RootsWeb help lists jumped from four or five posts a week >to 50 or more per day, as people wanted to discover how to get their site >back on line, and how to gain access to it. And since the on line file >manager was discontinued, many people then had questions about how they >could edit their pages, and how to upload their changes. They had to learn >about file transfer protocols and a bunch of other things. The Freepages >list is still getting a dozen or more posts per day. > >Several ISPs flagged the domain because of volume, and then started checking >DMARC and DKIM authentication. > >Over several weeks, I spent hours on the phone with AT&T and they swore to >me they were not blocking mail from rootsweb.com even though it was obvious >that they were. They finally admitted it to Anne's people and I am sure the >tech people will get it figured out eventually. > > >Pat A. > > >_______________________________________________ >Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/listowners@rootsweb.com >Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal >RootsWeb community

It is NOT malware !!! RW / Ancestry needs to do one thing - end the bloody relationship with the infidel ProofPoint.com right now! Those ISPs are treating ProofPoint as malware because of the way the links come out. My ISP is not blocking at all. On 10/17/2018 9:47 AM, David E. Cann wrote: > Nivard, > > RootsWeb is being blocked at a minimum by AT&T (and all of their domains) and Earthlink (and all of their domains) because the RW servers are compromised by malware and sending spam. I have an Earthlink account, and this information was confirmed by my Earthlink Tech Support. RW needs to talk to the blockers and resolve this "technician to technician," but when I informed Anne she said they may not fix all of the blocks other than just AT&T but not the smaller domains so I don't know what is going on there anymore. In the meantime, I get NO list mail whatsoever, nor do an awful lot of other people. > > That sure looks like "dead lists" to me. You can write to Anne if you want to, but I have given up on doing that any more. In the meantime, I now also sub to LO with an old rarely used Gmail address so I can keep getting mail from this list. > > > David E. Cann > decann@infionline.net

Yes, no question about it. It is hard to deny it when my provider showed them (2 of them) to me online. Both were known international spammers compromising the Ancestry & Amazon servers that currently house the RW lists. I wouldn't be surprised if the AT&T blockage is due to the same thing, but I have no information on that one, although I have to wonder how many other list subscribers are blocked as well that nobody knows about. David E. Cann decann@infionline.net -----Original Message----- From: Pat Asher <pasher@ee.net> Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2018 2:16 PM To: Listowners list for Rootsweb list admins and moderators <listowners@rootsweb.com> Subject: [LO] Re: Earthlink blocking problem At 01:12 PM 10/17/2018, Nivard Ovington wrote: >RootsWeb is being blocked at a minimum by AT&T (and all of their >domains) and Earthlink (and all of their domains) because the RW >servers are compromised by malware and sending spam. I have an >Earthlink account, and this information was confirmed by my Earthlink >Tech Support. David, do you really believe Ancestry servers are infected with malware? Do you understand that one of the first things ISPs look at when evaluating a sender as a sp*mmer is volume, not content? When RootsWeb started bringing user web sites back on line, the volume on the Freepages and RootsWeb help lists jumped from four or five posts a week to 50 or more per day, as people wanted to discover how to get their site back on line, and how to gain access to it. And since the on line file manager was discontinued, many people then had questions about how they could edit their pages, and how to upload their changes. They had to learn about file transfer protocols and a bunch of other things. The Freepages list is still getting a dozen or more posts per day. Several ISPs flagged the domain because of volume, and then started checking DMARC and DKIM authentication. Over several weeks, I spent hours on the phone with AT&T and they swore to me they were not blocking mail from rootsweb.com even though it was obvious that they were. They finally admitted it to Anne's people and I am sure the tech people will get it figured out eventually. Pat A.

Well, Rootsweb email is still not coming through to mine and others ATT accounts. However, someone posted to one of my lists and in her message was a link.   Surprisingly none of the anti-spam stuff was around her link.  It was clean!   Hurrah, now I wonder if we outcasts will start getting our Rootsweb mail? -- Pat Connors http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

At 01:12 PM 10/17/2018, Nivard Ovington wrote: >RootsWeb is being blocked at a minimum by AT&T (and all of their >domains) and Earthlink (and all of their domains) because the RW >servers are compromised by malware and sending spam. I have an >Earthlink account, and this information was confirmed by my >Earthlink Tech Support. David, do you really believe Ancestry servers are infected with malware? Do you understand that one of the first things ISPs look at when evaluating a sender as a sp*mmer is volume, not content? When RootsWeb started bringing user web sites back on line, the volume on the Freepages and RootsWeb help lists jumped from four or five posts a week to 50 or more per day, as people wanted to discover how to get their site back on line, and how to gain access to it. And since the on line file manager was discontinued, many people then had questions about how they could edit their pages, and how to upload their changes. They had to learn about file transfer protocols and a bunch of other things. The Freepages list is still getting a dozen or more posts per day. Several ISPs flagged the domain because of volume, and then started checking DMARC and DKIM authentication. Over several weeks, I spent hours on the phone with AT&T and they swore to me they were not blocking mail from rootsweb.com even though it was obvious that they were. They finally admitted it to Anne's people and I am sure the tech people will get it figured out eventually. Pat A.

I have yet to speak to any provider who doesn't blame everyone else but themselves Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 17/10/2018 16:47, David E. Cann wrote: > Nivard, > > RootsWeb is being blocked at a minimum by AT&T (and all of their domains) and Earthlink (and all of their domains) because the RW servers are compromised by malware and sending spam. I have an Earthlink account, and this information was confirmed by my Earthlink Tech Support. RW needs to talk to the blockers and resolve this "technician to technician," but when I informed Anne she said they may not fix all of the blocks other than just AT&T but not the smaller domains so I don't know what is going on there anymore. In the meantime, I get NO list mail whatsoever, nor do an awful lot of other people. > > That sure looks like "dead lists" to me. You can write to Anne if you want to, but I have given up on doing that any more. In the meantime, I now also sub to LO with an old rarely used Gmail address so I can keep getting mail from this list. > > > David E. Cann > decann@infionline.net

Nivard, RootsWeb is being blocked at a minimum by AT&T (and all of their domains) and Earthlink (and all of their domains) because the RW servers are compromised by malware and sending spam. I have an Earthlink account, and this information was confirmed by my Earthlink Tech Support. RW needs to talk to the blockers and resolve this "technician to technician," but when I informed Anne she said they may not fix all of the blocks other than just AT&T but not the smaller domains so I don't know what is going on there anymore. In the meantime, I get NO list mail whatsoever, nor do an awful lot of other people. That sure looks like "dead lists" to me. You can write to Anne if you want to, but I have given up on doing that any more. In the meantime, I now also sub to LO with an old rarely used Gmail address so I can keep getting mail from this list. David E. Cann decann@infionline.net -----Original Message----- From: Nivard Ovington <ovington.one@gmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2018 9:44 AM To: Mike Flannigan <mikeflan@att.net>; Listowners list for Rootsweb list admins and moderators <listowners@rootsweb.com> Subject: [LO] Re: Earthlink blocking problem Hi Mike I received your post, although it wasn't in plain text And it appears in the archives The fact no one responds to a list post is hardly proof they aren't receiving it Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 17/10/2018 14:29, Mike Flannigan wrote: > > Well, until a few minutes ago I was going to tell you that all RW > lists are 100% dead. I posted a message to MORipley. It went to 174 > subscribers. > I asked for a reply and asked the subscriber to put the e-mail > extension in the post. Only one person responded. > He tried to respond to the list, but got the error below. So he sent > me a private e-mail. > > So my tests so far suggest that very few people are getting posts from > the RW lists. Some of those people cannot successfully post to the > list. > > So I suspect very few people will get this post I am making right now. > If people don't go to the archives to read what was posted, they never > see it. > Therefore I put a bunch of people in the cc: field of this e-mail.

Anne, until this issue is resolved could a notice please be placed on the Current Issues on RootsWeb page indicating that several ISPs are blocking RootsWeb mail and that subscribers should check list archives for missing messages? Thanks! Lynne

Hi Mike I received your post, although it wasn't in plain text And it appears in the archives The fact no one responds to a list post is hardly proof they aren't receiving it Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 17/10/2018 14:29, Mike Flannigan wrote: > > Well, until a few minutes ago I was going to tell > you that all RW lists are 100% dead.  I posted a > message to MORipley.  It went to 174 subscribers. > I asked for a reply and asked the subscriber to put the > e-mail extension in the post.  Only one person responded. > He tried to respond to the list, but got the error > below.  So he sent me a private e-mail. > > So my tests so far suggest that very few people are > getting posts from the RW lists.  Some of those > people cannot successfully post to the list. > > So I suspect very few people will get this post I > am making right now.  If people don't go to the > archives to read what was posted, they never see it. > Therefore I put a bunch of people in the cc: field > of this e-mail.

Well, until a few minutes ago I was going to tell you that all RW lists are 100% dead.  I posted a message to MORipley.  It went to 174 subscribers. I asked for a reply and asked the subscriber to put the e-mail extension in the post.  Only one person responded. He tried to respond to the list, but got the error below.  So he sent me a private e-mail. So my tests so far suggest that very few people are getting posts from the RW lists.  Some of those people cannot successfully post to the list. So I suspect very few people will get this post I am making right now.  If people don't go to the archives to read what was posted, they never see it. Therefore I put a bunch of people in the cc: field of this e-mail. Eris Wilson is also copied to this e-mail. From subscriber Eric Wilson whose e-mail extension is @wilson.cx. Mike, I tried to respond to your request for posts. It was rejected via the error below. The DMARC policy tries to determine whether an email is SPAM or not My email domain is wilson.cx <http://wilson.cx>, but it is hosted at Google. I have both domain and hosting DMARC certificates configured so I think the rootsweb DMARC policy is incorrectly configured. Cheers, E! Today and Rootsweb <https://lists.rootsweb.com/hyperkitty/list/listowners.rootsweb.com/thread/27867242/> by Pat Connors I now have two accounts that I use for only Rootsweb posts, Google, Outlook and I have my 20 year old ATT account.   This morning no mail on any of them from the many lists I am a member, owner or both.  Is the system down or dead?  Is it dead because so many of us get no longer Rootsweb mail??  If I was a conspirator, I might think this is an Ancestor plan.  Must be expensive to carry Rootsweb. -- Pat Connors http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

Pat, The problem is that there are so many domains now blocking RW for spam and other malware infesting their servers that it now hard to accurately know who is or is not allowed to post. I learned that from Earthlink, and a couple of weeks ago they along with their dozen or two owned domains began blocking RW for the same reason as AT&T. I've been doing this for twenty years now, and this is the latest such time this happened, and it is not difficult to guess why so many subscribers have left over the years for this and other reasons and that also includes more than a few Listowners. I have received "absolutely zero" list mail in a couple of weeks now, and that makes it pretty hard to remain enthusiastic about managing lists any more. . . . . especially when I asked Anne if she could estimate how long it would be and her answer was ". . . . days, weeks or longer." I never thought 20 years ago that I would ever be here to see the demise of RW and the lists, but it is looking more and more likely as time goes by. ☹ David E. Cann decann@infionline.net -----Original Message----- From: Janet Crawford <reojan@gmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2018 4:56 AM To: LISTOWNERS <listowners@rootsweb.com> Subject: [LO] Re: it is now the 15th of October Pat, There have been a couple of Messages in CoTipperary this past week. If you didn't get those, AT&T is still goofy. Janet On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 10:19 PM Pat Connors <nymets11@pacbell.net> wrote: > and still no Rootsweb email to my ATT email address. Not only that, > no Rootsweb email to any of my three addesses. Has Rootsweb died??? > > -- > Pat Connors >

Pat, Did you get my message today that there were a couple of messages posted to CoTipperary this past week? Janet On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 8:05 PM Pat Connors <nymets11@pacbell.net> wrote: > I now have two accounts that I use for only Rootsweb posts, Google, > Outlook and I have my 20 year old ATT account. This morning no mail on > any of them from the many lists I am a member, owner or both. Is the > system down or dead? Is it dead because so many of us get no longer > Rootsweb mail?? If I was a conspirator, I might think this is an > Ancestor plan. Must be expensive to carry Rootsweb. > -- > Pat Connors > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/listowners@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

I use gmail, and have rec'd posts throughout, granted not a vast amount but some from various lists If Ancestry wanted to bin Rootsweb, why on earth would they go to all the trouble of changing servers and re-introducing web sites and updating the mailman software, it would have been very easy to cease supporting Rootsweb way back when the lists went down Have you checked the archives of the lists you are concerned about? are there posts there that you haven't rec'd? Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 16/10/2018 20:05, Pat Connors wrote: > I now have two accounts that I use for only Rootsweb posts, Google, > Outlook and I have my 20 year old ATT account.   This morning no mail on > any of them from the many lists I am a member, owner or both.  Is the > system down or dead?  Is it dead because so many of us get no longer > Rootsweb mail??  If I was a conspirator, I might think this is an > Ancestor plan.  Must be expensive to carry Rootsweb.

I now have two accounts that I use for only Rootsweb posts, Google, Outlook and I have my 20 year old ATT account.   This morning no mail on any of them from the many lists I am a member, owner or both.  Is the system down or dead?  Is it dead because so many of us get no longer Rootsweb mail??  If I was a conspirator, I might think this is an Ancestor plan.  Must be expensive to carry Rootsweb. -- Pat Connors http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

I have been getting Gen Obit ok and LO. Thats about it. My domain mail is not filtered like isp mail like others have. My isp here is city wide wi fi. They don't filter mail either. I get what ever gets sent by rw. Has not been much lately tho, got gen obit on the 15th. Dan On 10/16/2018 01:55 AM, Janet Crawford wrote: > Pat, There have been a couple of Messages in CoTipperary this past week. If > you didn't get those, AT&T is still goofy. > > Janet > > On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 10:19 PM Pat Connors <nymets11@pacbell.net> wrote: > >> and still no Rootsweb email to my ATT email address. Not only that, no >> Rootsweb email to any of my three addesses. Has Rootsweb died??? >> >> -- >> Pat Connors >> >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.connorsgenealogy.com&d=DwIDaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=QqKR_1oid-wv3O1GFus6ukhkWVArI2oTvHi2_JUm6dE&m=lcofBHMfXcfYCjhXAxeQU2m_gY8z-vMundAKrw9qPfE&s=bozf9u0J_iHjvYiJd1p2XLXo1Ngr5uHayslPAuRlTmc&e= >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__bit.ly_rootswebpref&d=DwIBaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=QqKR_1oid-wv3O1GFus6ukhkWVArI2oTvHi2_JUm6dE&m=BipGw9J85Z8YVPOnFzuE-txVeEzXOiTw3wc7igQLrok&s=m-5A4pb6CukK65R2jv1ULbWTlSjHX8FtPwI87ti-I3Q&e= >> Unsubscribe >> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/listowners@rootsweb.com >> Privacy Statement: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2JWBOdY&d=DwIBaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=QqKR_1oid-wv3O1GFus6ukhkWVArI2oTvHi2_JUm6dE&m=BipGw9J85Z8YVPOnFzuE-txVeEzXOiTw3wc7igQLrok&s=OcOOGA679yezNJTXaldLccss9X_VLYceS5EMpqGzsFs&e= Terms and Conditions: >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2HDBym9&d=DwIBaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=QqKR_1oid-wv3O1GFus6ukhkWVArI2oTvHi2_JUm6dE&m=BipGw9J85Z8YVPOnFzuE-txVeEzXOiTw3wc7igQLrok&s=TuipHmv-DzW5Ff5xDDOO8gnwnPJ8fyNgwPdRLpKmmU8&e= >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb >> community >> > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/listowners@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community >