On Sat, 10 Nov 2018 08:32:38 -0000, Nivard Ovington <ovington.one@gmail.com> wrote: > If someone posts to the list and user email address, mailman only > delivers one copy, There's a user option in both MM2 (NoDups) and MM3 (Avoid Duplicates). I think the default for that setting is 'No', I never turn it on :-) In fact, of course, if a post goes direct and to the list and the above flag is set 'Yes', MailMan sends zero copies. The only copy received would be the direct copy. Malcolm. -- Malcolm Austen <malcolm.austen@weald.org.uk>

Hi David Sorry but thats wrong Its nothing to do with Mailman settings Gmail is the culprit here, gmail does not receive a copy of your own posts if sent from a gmail address There was once a tweak that would override that and receive that copy, at some point a while back something changed and that stopped, I couldn't be bothered going through it again so I Bcc a copy of every post back to myself It doesn't prove its hit the list but at least keeps a thread in order in my inbox Gmails excuse is "to save clutter in my inbox" I rather feel I should be the judge of that Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 10/11/2018 01:29, W David Samuelsen wrote: > Keith, go to each list you subscribe to or to your global settings > > change to allow post back to you. Gmail has nothing to do with this as I > have the alternative address (gmail) and I do get them back. > > David Samuelsen > > On 11/6/2018 8:05 AM, Keith Meintjes wrote: >> Nivard, >> >> Yes. IANAL is I Am Not A Lawyer. I substituted Luddite. >> >> The gmail issue is as you describe. If I post a message to the list, I do >> not get a copy relayed back to me.

Hi Valorie Thanks for the suggestion, but no, unless mailman has changed very recently, Mailman has always stripped out duplicates and in the cases I have the address is only the list If someone posts to the list and user email address, mailman only delivers one copy, let me know if you get two copies of this reply as I have addressed it to you and the list Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 10/11/2018 05:13, Valorie Zimmerman wrote: > On Wed, Nov 7, 2018 at 7:55 AM Nivard Ovington <ovington.one@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> >> I just wondered if anyone else is receiving some duplicated posts >> >> I thought it was just one sender on one list but its happening on another >> >> The posts are time stamped the same but although looking identical, one >> is larger than the other (21.2kb v 31.4kb in this case) >> >> Checking the archives, just one post >> > > This happens in some mail clients when the sender hits "reply all" and you > are in the send line. You get one personally and the one to the list. If > you check carefully I'll bet you find one with the huge headers and footers > that Rootsweb now adds to Every Single Post. > > At least that is one possibility. > > Valorie >

On Wed, Nov 7, 2018 at 7:55 AM Nivard Ovington <ovington.one@gmail.com> wrote: > > I just wondered if anyone else is receiving some duplicated posts > > I thought it was just one sender on one list but its happening on another > > The posts are time stamped the same but although looking identical, one > is larger than the other (21.2kb v 31.4kb in this case) > > Checking the archives, just one post > This happens in some mail clients when the sender hits "reply all" and you are in the send line. You get one personally and the one to the list. If you check carefully I'll bet you find one with the huge headers and footers that Rootsweb now adds to Every Single Post. At least that is one possibility. Valorie -- > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > -- http://about.me/valoriez

Keith, go to each list you subscribe to or to your global settings change to allow post back to you. Gmail has nothing to do with this as I have the alternative address (gmail) and I do get them back. David Samuelsen On 11/6/2018 8:05 AM, Keith Meintjes wrote: > Nivard, > > Yes. IANAL is I Am Not A Lawyer. I substituted Luddite. > > The gmail issue is as you describe. If I post a message to the list, I do > not get a copy relayed back to me.

300 on banned list? Clear them out as many of them are very likely from the early years when no one thought to block the spammers pushing phishing. David Samuelsen On 11/8/2018 2:16 PM, Anne Mitchell wrote: > Proof point scans our email for us on the Ancestry side, so that is > expected. > > You have over 300 email addresses in your banned list. He may be getting > blocked by that or have some pattern that is matching his email. > > Given that other emails are going through, I would suggest he send it to > you and you post it. > > Anne

Proof point scans our email for us on the Ancestry side, so that is expected. You have over 300 email addresses in your banned list. He may be getting blocked by that or have some pattern that is matching his email. Given that other emails are going through, I would suggest he send it to you and you post it. Anne On Thu, Nov 8, 2018 at 6:59 AM Constance Chappell Horne < constancehorne@gmail.com> wrote: > One of my listers cannot post messages to the TMG list. He checked with his > internet provider and they are not blocking anything. He is from Australia > and he said his email appears to be going to an IP address owned by > ProofPoint. > > What is going on? > > This is what his IP provider gave him: > > 'm not sure about all this data from my ISP, but his "trace" showed my > email to tmg@rootsweb.com was going as follows: > > We don't have any block for email list. > > 2018-11-08 09:13:45 +1100 1gKW52-0000sS-VQ <= hidden@fairhall.id.au > <bruce@fairhall.id.au> H=126.73.70.115.static.exetel.com.au > ([192.168.1.103]) [115.70.73.126] P=esmtp S=1838 > id=f77bfd83-54c5-5b23-c41a-e989ede5d7de@fairhall.id.au T="Test" from > <hidden@fairhall.id.au> <bruce@fairhall.id.au> for TMG@rootsweb.com > 2018-11-08 09:13:47 +1100 1gKW52-0000sS-VQ => tmg@rootsweb.com > <TMG@rootsweb.com> <TMG@rootsweb.com> F=<hidden@fairhall.id.au> > <bruce@fairhall.id.au> P=<hidden@fairhall.id.au> > <bruce@fairhall.id.au> R=dnslookup T=remote_smtp S=1890 > H=mxb-002f8e01.gslb.pphosted.com [148.163.146.21] C="250 2.0.0 > 2nm6dhrcjc-1 Message accepted for delivery" QT=2s DT=1s > 2018-11-08 09:13:47 +1100 1gKW52-0000sS-VQ Completed QT=2s > > Above log is the one you mentioned I believe? The email was accepted > by the email server at 148.163.146.21 > > And a check of that IP Address showed it is owned by Proofpoint.Inc: > > Host name:mx0a-002f8e01.pphosted.com [image: note] > < > https://ip-address-lookup-v4.com/lookup.php?host=ip-address-lookup-v4.com&ip=148.163.146.21&x=89&y=30 > > > Country:United States > B Class:148.163.0.0 - 148.163.255.255 > <https://ip-address-lookup-v4.com/148/163> > Region:CA > City:Sunnyvale > Latitude:37.4249 > Longitude:-122.0074 > > > Constance Chappell Horne > TMG List Administrator > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/listowners@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

One of my listers cannot post messages to the TMG list. He checked with his internet provider and they are not blocking anything. He is from Australia and he said his email appears to be going to an IP address owned by ProofPoint. What is going on? This is what his IP provider gave him: 'm not sure about all this data from my ISP, but his "trace" showed my email to tmg@rootsweb.com was going as follows: We don't have any block for email list. 2018-11-08 09:13:45 +1100 1gKW52-0000sS-VQ <= hidden@fairhall.id.au <bruce@fairhall.id.au> H=126.73.70.115.static.exetel.com.au ([192.168.1.103]) [115.70.73.126] P=esmtp S=1838 id=f77bfd83-54c5-5b23-c41a-e989ede5d7de@fairhall.id.au T="Test" from <hidden@fairhall.id.au> <bruce@fairhall.id.au> for TMG@rootsweb.com 2018-11-08 09:13:47 +1100 1gKW52-0000sS-VQ => tmg@rootsweb.com <TMG@rootsweb.com> <TMG@rootsweb.com> F=<hidden@fairhall.id.au> <bruce@fairhall.id.au> P=<hidden@fairhall.id.au> <bruce@fairhall.id.au> R=dnslookup T=remote_smtp S=1890 H=mxb-002f8e01.gslb.pphosted.com [148.163.146.21] C="250 2.0.0 2nm6dhrcjc-1 Message accepted for delivery" QT=2s DT=1s 2018-11-08 09:13:47 +1100 1gKW52-0000sS-VQ Completed QT=2s Above log is the one you mentioned I believe? The email was accepted by the email server at 148.163.146.21 And a check of that IP Address showed it is owned by Proofpoint.Inc: Host name:mx0a-002f8e01.pphosted.com [image: note] <https://ip-address-lookup-v4.com/lookup.php?host=ip-address-lookup-v4.com&ip=148.163.146.21&x=89&y=30> Country:United States B Class:148.163.0.0 - 148.163.255.255 <https://ip-address-lookup-v4.com/148/163> Region:CA City:Sunnyvale Latitude:37.4249 Longitude:-122.0074 Constance Chappell Horne TMG List Administrator

This has only been happening the last few days The part I thought odd was the different sizes of the same messages I will just keep my eye on them if they happen again Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 07/11/2018 19:38, David E. Cann wrote: > Nivard, > > I don't know what it means, but a short answer to your question is that I intermittently receive duplicate list posts on a fairly regular basis. I have no clue what causes it, nor do I know why it mysteriously stops after a period of timer, I just know the duplicates always have duplicated date-time stamps at the time. ☹ > > David E. Cann > decann@infionline.net >

Hi Dave: I had a major crash a couple of days ago. Not sure when I will be back up. I have email...but no message base. Please pass on to Joan and Val....! Please ask them to send me their email addresses. Bye For Now…Murray Pletsch pletsch@cogeco.ca -----Original Message----- From: David E. Cann [mailto:decann@infionline.net] Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2018 2:38 PM To: 'Listowners list for Rootsweb list admins and moderators' Subject: [LO] Re: Duplicate posts ? Nivard, I don't know what it means, but a short answer to your question is that I intermittently receive duplicate list posts on a fairly regular basis. I have no clue what causes it, nor do I know why it mysteriously stops after a period of timer, I just know the duplicates always have duplicated date-time stamps at the time. ☹ David E. Cann decann@infionline.net -----Original Message----- From: Nivard Ovington <ovington.one@gmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 7, 2018 10:56 AM To: For rootsweb list owners <listowners@rootsweb.com> Subject: [LO] Duplicate posts ? I just wondered if anyone else is receiving some duplicated posts I thought it was just one sender on one list but its happening on another The posts are time stamped the same but although looking identical, one is larger than the other (21.2kb v 31.4kb in this case) Checking the archives, just one post -- Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/listowners@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/listowners@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Nivard, I don't know what it means, but a short answer to your question is that I intermittently receive duplicate list posts on a fairly regular basis. I have no clue what causes it, nor do I know why it mysteriously stops after a period of timer, I just know the duplicates always have duplicated date-time stamps at the time. ☹ David E. Cann decann@infionline.net -----Original Message----- From: Nivard Ovington <ovington.one@gmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 7, 2018 10:56 AM To: For rootsweb list owners <listowners@rootsweb.com> Subject: [LO] Duplicate posts ? I just wondered if anyone else is receiving some duplicated posts I thought it was just one sender on one list but its happening on another The posts are time stamped the same but although looking identical, one is larger than the other (21.2kb v 31.4kb in this case) Checking the archives, just one post -- Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/listowners@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

I just wondered if anyone else is receiving some duplicated posts I thought it was just one sender on one list but its happening on another The posts are time stamped the same but although looking identical, one is larger than the other (21.2kb v 31.4kb in this case) Checking the archives, just one post -- Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

Nivard, I am too overwhelmed right now, with my trip starting on Friday. Here's a start on your "How to" list: Post a header for each message. Post a footer for each message. Post a welcome for new members. Set to accept new subscribers with no intervention. Set to auto-reply to non-subscribers that messages from non-subscribers are not accepted, with clear instructions on how to subscribe. Keith On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 4:36 PM Nivard Ovington <ovington.one@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Keith > > It seems to me that most things are working in Rootsweb > > Differently than they did I will grant you, but thats progress (?) > > The archives are a shadow of what they once were for example > > It seems to me that much of the problem that is posted is due to list > owners not understanding how the system works, not their fault I might > add as there are no tutorials or "how to's" > > In the dim distant past I wrote an operational manual under BS5750 if > anyone remembers that > > Thats what we list owners could do with now instead of us all having to > learn the system in braille > > So what are the settings that are not working for you ? > > Enjoy your trip, not that you need me to tell you that ;-) > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > On 06/11/2018 15:05, Keith Meintjes wrote: > > Nivard, > > > > Yes. IANAL is I Am Not A Lawyer. I substituted Luddite. > > > > The gmail issue is as you describe. If I post a message to the list, I do > > not get a copy relayed back to me. > > > > Including myself in the cc list to force a copy in my inbox is not the > same > > as seeing the message as Rootsweb comprehended it. > > Fonts and tabs can conspire to garble a message. > > > > I already pay Google for extra storage on Google Drive and in my e-mail. > I > > don't need them to be my Mother and judge what is "clutter" or not. > > > > There seem to be a number of features and settings on Rootsweb that > > a) Do not work > > b) Do not work as expected > > c) Interact with other settings in unexpected and curious ways. > > > > I am taking the path of least resistance, which is simply to accept the > > settings I was given, and then try to understand the behavior. > > > > I have no confidence that my changing a setting will result in a more > > desirable outcome. > > > > By the way, we leave on Friday for 18 days in ZA. > > > > Keith > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/listowners@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > -- +1.248.891.6434 Michigan, USA (Eastern Time)

Hi Keith It seems to me that most things are working in Rootsweb Differently than they did I will grant you, but thats progress (?) The archives are a shadow of what they once were for example It seems to me that much of the problem that is posted is due to list owners not understanding how the system works, not their fault I might add as there are no tutorials or "how to's" In the dim distant past I wrote an operational manual under BS5750 if anyone remembers that Thats what we list owners could do with now instead of us all having to learn the system in braille So what are the settings that are not working for you ? Enjoy your trip, not that you need me to tell you that ;-) Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 06/11/2018 15:05, Keith Meintjes wrote: > Nivard, > > Yes. IANAL is I Am Not A Lawyer. I substituted Luddite. > > The gmail issue is as you describe. If I post a message to the list, I do > not get a copy relayed back to me. > > Including myself in the cc list to force a copy in my inbox is not the same > as seeing the message as Rootsweb comprehended it. > Fonts and tabs can conspire to garble a message. > > I already pay Google for extra storage on Google Drive and in my e-mail. I > don't need them to be my Mother and judge what is "clutter" or not. > > There seem to be a number of features and settings on Rootsweb that > a) Do not work > b) Do not work as expected > c) Interact with other settings in unexpected and curious ways. > > I am taking the path of least resistance, which is simply to accept the > settings I was given, and then try to understand the behavior. > > I have no confidence that my changing a setting will result in a more > desirable outcome. > > By the way, we leave on Friday for 18 days in ZA. > > Keith

Keith, I really do not like the new addition of Gmail. It also like to write your posts, drives me nuts but I shut that feature off.

Mine ATT Rootsweb email is still working. I am at pacbell.com which switched over to ATT almost 20 yrs ago.

Nivard, Yes. IANAL is I Am Not A Lawyer. I substituted Luddite. The gmail issue is as you describe. If I post a message to the list, I do not get a copy relayed back to me. Including myself in the cc list to force a copy in my inbox is not the same as seeing the message as Rootsweb comprehended it. Fonts and tabs can conspire to garble a message. I already pay Google for extra storage on Google Drive and in my e-mail. I don't need them to be my Mother and judge what is "clutter" or not. There seem to be a number of features and settings on Rootsweb that a) Do not work b) Do not work as expected c) Interact with other settings in unexpected and curious ways. I am taking the path of least resistance, which is simply to accept the settings I was given, and then try to understand the behavior. I have no confidence that my changing a setting will result in a more desirable outcome. By the way, we leave on Friday for 18 days in ZA. Keith On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 4:24 AM Nivard Ovington <ovington.one@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi Keith > > I had to google INAL ;-) > > Can you expand on what you mean by not relaying via gmail? > > I use gmail and as far as I can see its working as it should (unlike it > seems like many others) > > I agree that there are certain "features" imposed upon us like gmail not > accepting copies of your own posts (or is that what you mean in your post?) > > In their words "to stop clutter in my inbox" > > I think I should be the judge of that not they ;-) > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > On 06/11/2018 07:35, Keith Meintjes wrote: > > I don't know about ATT, but I use gmail. It is too clever by half. > > > > If I send a message to the list I manage (South-Africa), gmail blocks the > > relay of that message from Rootsweb. > > It's not a Rootsweb problem. If others send messages to the list, the > > relays come through fine. > > > > INAL (I am not a Luddite), but it seems we are being inundated by useless > > "features" that are infuriatingly > > complex to figure out. > > > > Keith > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/listowners@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > -- +1.248.891.6434 Michigan, USA (Eastern Time)

On Tue, 06 Nov 2018 11:43:57 -0000, Janet Crawford <reojan@gmail.com> wrote: > Malcolm, I think if they had been forwarded they would have been gone > forever from A T & T AND then never appeared in gmail. They did, however, > remain in A T & T. Hi Janet, I read your email to imply that the ATT account did contain messages that had been forwarded. If the fowarding is set to not retain a copy on ATT, then evidently the problem lies with ATT. > There was no notice that the forwarded messages had been bounced back > from gmail. The usual gmail issue is one that involves no rejection messages. It silently bins any incoming email that is a duplicate of one it already has. Two routine scenarios: 1) You post to a list from gmail, gmail has the outgoing email and so discards (silently) the return copy from the list 2) The same email is sent to two lists that you subscribe to. One arrives and one doesn't because the second inbound copy is discarded (silently) as a duplicate. Malcolm. > On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 10:01 AM Malcolm Austen > <malcolm.austen@weald.org.uk> > wrote: > >> On Tue, 06 Nov 2018 09:25:01 -0000, Janet Crawford <reojan@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> > Pat, It may not be a Rootsweb problem. My cousin switched from AT & T >> to >> > gmail and set up a pop forward so her AT & T mail was to go to her mew >> > gmail account. The other day she looked at her old A T & T account and >> > there were a bunch of messages in there that had never forwarded. >> >> I suspect strongly that ending needs rewording ... that had been >> forwarded but had never shown up in gmail. >> >> Malcolm. >> >> -- >> Malcolm Austen <malcolm.austen@weald.org.uk> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> Unsubscribe >> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/listowners@rootsweb.com >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb >> community >> > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/listowners@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community -- Malcolm Austen <malcolm.austen@weald.org.uk>

Malcolm, I think if they had been forwarded they would have been gone forever from A T & T AND then never appeared in gmail. They did, however, remain in A T & T. There was no notice that the forwarded messages had been bounced back from gmail. Janet On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 10:01 AM Malcolm Austen <malcolm.austen@weald.org.uk> wrote: > On Tue, 06 Nov 2018 09:25:01 -0000, Janet Crawford <reojan@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Pat, It may not be a Rootsweb problem. My cousin switched from AT & T to > > gmail and set up a pop forward so her AT & T mail was to go to her mew > > gmail account. The other day she looked at her old A T & T account and > > there were a bunch of messages in there that had never forwarded. > > I suspect strongly that ending needs rewording ... that had been > forwarded but had never shown up in gmail. > > Malcolm. > > -- > Malcolm Austen <malcolm.austen@weald.org.uk> > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/listowners@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

On Tue, 06 Nov 2018 09:25:01 -0000, Janet Crawford <reojan@gmail.com> wrote: > Pat, It may not be a Rootsweb problem. My cousin switched from AT & T to > gmail and set up a pop forward so her AT & T mail was to go to her mew > gmail account. The other day she looked at her old A T & T account and > there were a bunch of messages in there that had never forwarded. I suspect strongly that ending needs rewording ... that had been forwarded but had never shown up in gmail. Malcolm. -- Malcolm Austen <malcolm.austen@weald.org.uk>