This was a period completely devoid of posts, not a slow down On my admin tools this morning was a message "under maintenance" or similar as it disappeared shortly after As to gatewayed messages, its hardly a big issue is it, tick a box or boxes, click a button and they are gone Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 20/11/2018 17:51, David E. Cann wrote: > Nivard, > > I had no list postings for a couple of days over the weekend, but minimal list mail over a weekend seems to be the norm for me over most weekends. Day after tomorrow on Thursday is a very major holiday here in the U. S. when many people have a 4 day weekend Thu through Sun though so it would not surprise me to see something similar then. > > My main list issue is still the fact I continue getting gatewayed board posts that I have to manually delete even though I have twice reported same to Anne now. I have had 5 more of them this morning alone and a couple of dozen of them in the last week or two, but Anne says they "are working on it." ☹ > > > David

Nivard, I had no list postings for a couple of days over the weekend, but minimal list mail over a weekend seems to be the norm for me over most weekends. Day after tomorrow on Thursday is a very major holiday here in the U. S. when many people have a 4 day weekend Thu through Sun though so it would not surprise me to see something similar then. My main list issue is still the fact I continue getting gatewayed board posts that I have to manually delete even though I have twice reported same to Anne now. I have had 5 more of them this morning alone and a couple of dozen of them in the last week or two, but Anne says they "are working on it." ☹ David -----Original Message----- From: Nivard Ovington <ovington.one@gmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2018 12:23 PM To: listowners@rootsweb.com Subject: [LO] Re: List tools I thought someone forgot to put .50p in the meter ;-) But posts on various lists are coming through today, including several asking why their posts were rejected Hopefully back to normal now Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 20/11/2018 16:17, Pat Asher wrote: > At 05:37 AM 11/20/2018, Nivard Ovington wrote: >> Hi Pat >> >> There have been no posts to the lists in that period so I took it >> that the lists were having some sort of maintenance, but I can sign >> in now > > Me too! I was afraid they had forgotten to flip a switch ;-) > > > Pat

I thought someone forgot to put .50p in the meter ;-) But posts on various lists are coming through today, including several asking why their posts were rejected Hopefully back to normal now Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 20/11/2018 16:17, Pat Asher wrote: > At 05:37 AM 11/20/2018, Nivard Ovington wrote: >> Hi Pat >> >> There have been no posts to the lists in that period so I took it that >> the lists were having some sort of maintenance, but I can sign in now > > Me too! I was afraid they had forgotten to flip a switch ;-) > > > Pat

At 05:37 AM 11/20/2018, Nivard Ovington wrote: >Hi Pat > >There have been no posts to the lists in that period so I took it >that the lists were having some sort of maintenance, but I can sign in now Me too! I was afraid they had forgotten to flip a switch ;-) Pat

Hi Pat There have been no posts to the lists in that period so I took it that the lists were having some sort of maintenance, but I can sign in now Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 19/11/2018 23:47, Pat Asher wrote: > The List administration tools have now been unavailable for 36 hours, > more or less. For example, since 7AM Sunday 11/18/2018 > <https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/rootsweb-help.rootsweb.com/> > has returned the error message: > "We are making a few adjustments to mailman. Please try again in a few > minutes." > > It has now been 2,160 minutes or more. I have some posts to approve. > When will we again have access to our list tools? > > Pat Asher

The List administration tools have now been unavailable for 36 hours, more or less. For example, since 7AM Sunday 11/18/2018 <https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/rootsweb-help.rootsweb.com/> has returned the error message: "We are making a few adjustments to mailman. Please try again in a few minutes." It has now been 2,160 minutes or more. I have some posts to approve. When will we again have access to our list tools? Pat Asher

Wanda, She has already replied to you on this list, saying she will contact you privately, but you can reply to her as well. She is very busy, but you will need to resolve this with her help so need to work it out with her help. David -----Original Message----- From: Wanda Rabb via LISTOWNERS <listowners@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2018 1:34 PM To: listowners@rootsweb.com Cc: Wanda Rabb <wcr1951@yahoo.com> Subject: [LO] Re: Need support from Rootsweb Hi David, Thanks for responding. Yes, I did sign up for a new Rootsweb account and I retained my other 13 surname lists. It’s just the one that I no longer seem to be the administrator. I don’t think anyone is administering the list as I have sent out posts to the list about the issue. I will try to find Anne Mitchell’s address and ask for her help. Thank you to you and Mike for suggesting that I contact her. Wanda > > > Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2018 20:25:15 -0500 > From: "David E. Cann" <decann@infionline.net> > Subject: [LO] Re: Need support from Rootsweb > To: "'Listowners list for Rootsweb list admins and moderators'" > <listowners@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <000001d47e14$6542a860$2fc7f920$@infionline.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Wanda, > > For one thing you MUST have signed up for a new RootsWeb account since the first of the year in order to remain a List Owner. If you haven't signed up for one, then that is almost surely your problem accessing your list as List Owner. Anyone who did not get one has supposedly had administered lists removed, although the new account is recommended for subscribers. I would strongly recommend that you write to Anne Mitchell at RootsWeb and see what she can do to help you resolve this problem. Good luck to you. > > > David > > -----Original Message----- > From: Wanda Rabb via LISTOWNERS <listowners@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, November 16, 2018 7:23 PM > To: listowners@rootsweb.com > Cc: Wanda Rabb <wcr1951@yahoo.com> > Subject: [LO] Need support from Rootsweb > > I discovered I am no longer the administrator of one of my lists (Paxton surname). I don’t know how this happened but it occurred somehow during the changes in the mailing lists during the past year. I sent an email via the Rootsweb support link for the mailing lists but I never received a response. > > I don’t think someone else is the admin because I sent a note to the administrator address for the surname list and got no response. > > What should I do? > > Thanks, > Wanda Rabb > > > End of LISTOWNERS Digest, Vol 13, Issue 351 > ******************************************* _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/listowners@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hi David, Thanks for responding. Yes, I did sign up for a new Rootsweb account and I retained my other 13 surname lists. It’s just the one that I no longer seem to be the administrator. I don’t think anyone is administering the list as I have sent out posts to the list about the issue. I will try to find Anne Mitchell’s address and ask for her help. Thank you to you and Mike for suggesting that I contact her. Wanda > > > Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2018 20:25:15 -0500 > From: "David E. Cann" <decann@infionline.net> > Subject: [LO] Re: Need support from Rootsweb > To: "'Listowners list for Rootsweb list admins and moderators'" > <listowners@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <000001d47e14$6542a860$2fc7f920$@infionline.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Wanda, > > For one thing you MUST have signed up for a new RootsWeb account since the first of the year in order to remain a List Owner. If you haven't signed up for one, then that is almost surely your problem accessing your list as List Owner. Anyone who did not get one has supposedly had administered lists removed, although the new account is recommended for subscribers. I would strongly recommend that you write to Anne Mitchell at RootsWeb and see what she can do to help you resolve this problem. Good luck to you. > > > David > > -----Original Message----- > From: Wanda Rabb via LISTOWNERS <listowners@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, November 16, 2018 7:23 PM > To: listowners@rootsweb.com > Cc: Wanda Rabb <wcr1951@yahoo.com> > Subject: [LO] Need support from Rootsweb > > I discovered I am no longer the administrator of one of my lists (Paxton surname). I don’t know how this happened but it occurred somehow during the changes in the mailing lists during the past year. I sent an email via the Rootsweb support link for the mailing lists but I never received a response. > > I don’t think someone else is the admin because I sent a note to the administrator address for the surname list and got no response. > > What should I do? > > Thanks, > Wanda Rabb > > > End of LISTOWNERS Digest, Vol 13, Issue 351 > *******************************************

Mike; Funny you should say that. I discovered the other day I was no longer the admin of a surname list when I received a message from the new admin via the list. I thought....Hmmmm.....how did that happen? Anyhow I'm not too concerned over it. I'm glad the list is in the hands of another person who's interested in keeping it going. :) Rick B On Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 8:21 PM Mike Flannigan <mikeflan@att.net> wrote: > > Contact Anne. She can fix this. > > I gave a list to somebody else and then they > magically lost it to somebody else. In that case > they contacted the new owner and it was turned > back over to the prior owner. > > > Mike > <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> Virus-free. www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>

I have sent the needed information to Wanda.. On Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 4:23 PM Wanda Rabb via LISTOWNERS < listowners@rootsweb.com> wrote: > I discovered I am no longer the administrator of one of my lists (Paxton > surname). I don’t know how this happened but it occurred somehow during the > changes in the mailing lists during the past year. I sent an email via the > Rootsweb support link for the mailing lists but I never received a response. > > I don’t think someone else is the admin because I sent a note to the > administrator address for the surname list and got no response. > > What should I do? > > Thanks, > Wanda Rabb > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/listowners@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

Wanda, For one thing you MUST have signed up for a new RootsWeb account since the first of the year in order to remain a List Owner. If you haven't signed up for one, then that is almost surely your problem accessing your list as List Owner. Anyone who did not get one has supposedly had administered lists removed, although the new account is recommended for subscribers. I would strongly recommend that you write to Anne Mitchell at RootsWeb and see what she can do to help you resolve this problem. Good luck to you. David -----Original Message----- From: Wanda Rabb via LISTOWNERS <listowners@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2018 7:23 PM To: listowners@rootsweb.com Cc: Wanda Rabb <wcr1951@yahoo.com> Subject: [LO] Need support from Rootsweb I discovered I am no longer the administrator of one of my lists (Paxton surname). I don’t know how this happened but it occurred somehow during the changes in the mailing lists during the past year. I sent an email via the Rootsweb support link for the mailing lists but I never received a response. I don’t think someone else is the admin because I sent a note to the administrator address for the surname list and got no response. What should I do? Thanks, Wanda Rabb

Contact Anne.  She can fix this. I gave a list to somebody else and then they magically lost it to somebody else.  In that case they contacted the new owner and it was turned back over to the prior owner. Mike On 11/16/2018 6:23 PM, Wanda Rabb via LISTOWNERS wrote: > I discovered I am no longer the administrator of one of my lists (Paxton surname). I don’t know how this happened but it occurred somehow during the changes in the mailing lists during the past year. I sent an email via the Rootsweb support link for the mailing lists but I never received a response. > > I don’t think someone else is the admin because I sent a note to the administrator address for the surname list and got no response. > > What should I do? > > Thanks, > Wanda Rabb >

I discovered I am no longer the administrator of one of my lists (Paxton surname). I don’t know how this happened but it occurred somehow during the changes in the mailing lists during the past year. I sent an email via the Rootsweb support link for the mailing lists but I never received a response. I don’t think someone else is the admin because I sent a note to the administrator address for the surname list and got no response. What should I do? Thanks, Wanda Rabb

William Noack , Did you put the exclamation marks in the subject line or message body instead of just the word unsubscribe? Re your suggestion "list needs a functioning link to unsubscribe at the bottom of the email". Rootsweb used to include the following at the bottom of all messages "To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to < list name was inserted> -request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message" All we had to do was clink the link and copy/paste unsubscribe in both locations of the email. Now it looks like this: Unsubscribe https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.rootsweb.com%2Fpostorius%2Flists%2Flistowners%40rootsweb.com&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C524de7cda7fa414618bf08d6472aa312%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636774645786661570&amp;sdata=m%2FA%2FaIuqNLe69S%2Bm6MkmWyAzN%2FLcwXD2w5IDpGbLnb8%3D&amp;reserved=0 My email from Listowners may return with the original email message above mangled by safelinks.protection.outlook. But if it doesn't, then I suggest Rootsweb change the footer message from a website link to the email form they've adopted for unsubscribing. That would save me a lot of wasted metered internet connection bytes. Anne Fender Halford -----Original Message----- From: William Noack via LISTOWNERS Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2018 9:42 AM To: Listowners list for Rootsweb list admins and moderators Cc: William Noack Subject: [LO] Re: Unsubscribe!!! unsubscribe ! I’ve spent an hour trying to unsubscribe. How stupid is it for you to have to create a account, then create a password just to try to unsubscribe from the link below, but you can subscribe without creating an account? This list needs a functioning link to unsubscribe at the bottom of the email!

At 11:09 AM 11/10/2018, Mike Flannigan wrote: >It's best to keep the original welcome message. I am >surprised to see that they don't specifically state >in that e-mail that that e-mail should be saved. > >Anyway, that original welcome message says: > >You can unsubscribe by emailing the following with unsusbscribe in the >subject and body: >listowners-leave@rootsweb.com The instructions for subs and unsubs appear in the headers of any list message. From your post to the list: Reply-To: Listowners list for Rootsweb list admins and moderators <listowners@rootsweb.com> Subject: [LO] Re: Unsubscribe!!! List-Id: Listowners list for Rootsweb list admins and moderators <listowners.rootsweb.com> Archived-At: <https://Rootsweb.com/hyperkitty/list/listowners@rootsweb.com/thread/5OKFU7JI7CH37AIFNXW4DOQS3VPEACQG/> List-Archive: <https://Rootsweb.com/hyperkitty/list/listowners@rootsweb.com/> List-Help: <mailto:listowners-request@rootsweb.com?subject=help> List-Post: <mailto:listowners@rootsweb.com> List-Subscribe: <mailto:listowners-join@rootsweb.com> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:listowners-leave@rootsweb.com> Pat Asher

I cannot say why you can't unsubscribe, however you do not need to create an account or sign in to unsubscribe I have tested using email addresses with no connection to Rootsweb and they all work The correct addresses for subscribing /unsubscribing for each list can be found on its home page In this case listowners-unsubscribe@rootsweb.com Is that the one you are using? From <https://mailinglists.rootsweb.com/listindexes/details?list_name=listowners> Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 10/11/2018 15:42, William Noack via LISTOWNERS wrote: > unsubscribe ! > > I’ve spent an hour trying to unsubscribe. > > How stupid is it for you to have to create a account, then create a password just to try to unsubscribe from the link below, but you can subscribe without creating an account? > > This list needs a functioning link to unsubscribe at the bottom of the email!

Actually, it probably does make sense to be the way it currently is.  You need to login to unsubscribe. Creating person-specific links to automatically unsubscribe creates a lot of overhead for very little benefit. It's best to keep the original welcome message.  I am surprised to see that they don't specifically state in that e-mail that that e-mail should be saved. Anyway, that original welcome message says: You can unsubscribe by emailing the following with unsusbscribe in the subject and body: listowners-leave@rootsweb.com Creating a new account to unsubscribe probably will not work. Mike On 11/10/2018 9:42 AM, William Noack via LISTOWNERS wrote: > unsubscribe ! > > I’ve spent an hour trying to unsubscribe. > > How stupid is it for you to have to create a account, then create a password just to try to unsubscribe from the link below, but you can subscribe without creating an account? > > This list needs a functioning link to unsubscribe at the bottom of the email! > > >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/listowners@rootsweb.com >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/listowners@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

unsubscribe ! I’ve spent an hour trying to unsubscribe. How stupid is it for you to have to create a account, then create a password just to try to unsubscribe from the link below, but you can subscribe without creating an account? This list needs a functioning link to unsubscribe at the bottom of the email! > > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/listowners@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hi Lynne My original was on the subject of duplicates being received of a few posts (but not all) and has also mentioned by other users as happening to them The settings you mention are for the individual to change as required on a list by list basis OR globally I have not altered any settings to do with subscription options, globally or for any single list My settings are Receive own postings YES Avoid Duplicates NO I do not get my own posts (as gmail strips them out not mailman) And the duplicates are only the odd one or two posts, not replies, and not all Before this latest incarnation of Mailman (and its its present default settings) if a user replies to the list using the list address and to the senders address, Mailman will strip out the duplicate, the person being replied to will only receive one copy of that reply (the only way to achieve that would be to send two messages each addresses separately) Unless a user changes their own preferences that will still be the case, and I doubt many if any users have altered that and if they altered their preferences it would have no effect on other list subscribers preferences Plus, as I said earlier, the duplicates were only to the list address (and were posts not replies) I have addressed this reply to you and the list, let me know if you get two copies Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 10/11/2018 13:19, Lynne wrote: > Nivard, perhaps I'm misunderstanding what you've written, but Mailman can and will deliver multiple copies of the same message if you have that setting ticked: > > "Avoid Duplicates > "Yes No > > "When you are listed explicitly in the To: or Cc: headers of a list message, you can opt to not receive another copy from the mailing list. Select Yes to avoid receiving copies from the mailing list; select No to receive copies." > > Lynne > > > Nivard Ovington <ovington.one@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi Valorie >> >> Thanks for the suggestion, but no, unless mailman has changed very >> recently, Mailman has always stripped out duplicates and in the cases I >> have the address is only the list >> >> If someone posts to the list and user email address, mailman only >> delivers one copy, let me know if you get two copies of this reply as I >> have addressed it to you and the list >> >> Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

Nivard, perhaps I'm misunderstanding what you've written, but Mailman can and will deliver multiple copies of the same message if you have that setting ticked: "Avoid Duplicates "Yes No "When you are listed explicitly in the To: or Cc: headers of a list message, you can opt to not receive another copy from the mailing list. Select Yes to avoid receiving copies from the mailing list; select No to receive copies." Lynne Nivard Ovington <ovington.one@gmail.com> wrote: >Hi Valorie > >Thanks for the suggestion, but no, unless mailman has changed very >recently, Mailman has always stripped out duplicates and in the cases I >have the address is only the list > >If someone posts to the list and user email address, mailman only >delivers one copy, let me know if you get two copies of this reply as I >have addressed it to you and the list > >Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) >