I just find that it's a shame for anyone (list admin or otherwise) to take what is intended as helpful comments as being personal attacks rather than being informative as I'm sure was intended by all. There are a variety of reasons we get upset over spam coming through lists -- it causes a lot of work and damage ...the spam has to be deleted from the list archives and staff has to be informed to complete the process if the original poster doesn't remove it but that is only the tip of the iceberg. There is the initially unseen damage caused when list members receive the spam message in their spam folder and end up mistakenly reporting RootsWeb as the source of the spam and getting removed from their lists. Worse yet, the spam may be grabbed by the receiving ISP and they may end up blocking RootsWeb as the spammer. I have seen this happen on lists I admin a number of times. Immediately after the spam comes through the list either because of a compromised subscriber account or because of spoofing of a subscriber address...I will see several unsubs come through ...and then it falls on me as admin to contact these people and check to see if they had intended to unsub or whether they spam caused the unintended action. These subscribers then must resub -- so all in all any time spam comes through a list it causes turmoil for everyone on the list. Joan In a message dated 4/6/2012 11:44:05 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, harrison28@gmail.com writes: Liz, USGenWeb was mentioned in Jan's last message and she did make a statement about admins of those lists that had no bearing on the thread she began when she posted the spam on this list. The ignorance does not lie with Megan [list admin for LO].... and this now looking like some want to get upset for any reason. I am done with this conversation as I do not want to get unsubbed or banned on LO.

"Everyone jumped down the poor woman's throat"???? Really? A whopping TWO people mentioned it, and neither one was "nasty." Hardly "everyone jumped . . ." Nan On Apr 6, 2012 12:26 PM, "Johan Dorey-Venter" <doreyventer@gmail.com> wrote: > Exactly my feelings, Liz. > . > Everyone jumped down the poor woman's throat for re-posting the spam > to this list, but no-one answered her question. Even list admins can > make mistakes, we are all human. > . > And, to correct a wrong impression, I referred to "intelligent" and > "rude" ANSWERS. I did NOT refer to any person's intelligence (or lack > thereof). > . > Enough said, I don't want to be unsubbed or banned. > . > Johan. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LISTOWNERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Kathie, believe or not, there are those listadmins who are member of USGenWeb Project still considering these mailing lists owned by Rootsweb to be exclusive property of USGenWeb and these ones FORBID anything other than USGenWeb project be posted on these lists to the full contrary of the Ancestry/Rootsweb rules. I should know because I received Rootsweb message about allowing other projects, saying the lists belong to Rootsweb and the admins serve at Rootsweb's pleasure. Ditto for message boards. David Samuelsen On 4/6/2012 9:01 AM, Kathie Harrison wrote: > Who said anything about USGenWeb lists? I never saw anything about that, > What has that got to do with this thread? Please breathe deeply and not get > yourself upset. What does that accomplish? I was a list admin long before I > was a part of the USGenWeb and frankly I don't understand why you would > give up your lists because of this discussion. Happy Easter........

Liz, USGenWeb was mentioned in Jan's last message and she did make a statement about admins of those lists that had no bearing on the thread she began when she posted the spam on this list. The ignorance does not lie with Megan [list admin for LO].... and this now looking like some want to get upset for any reason. I am done with this conversation as I do not want to get unsubbed or banned on LO. On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 10:08 AM, Liz Haren <lizharen@gmail.com> wrote: > The issues isn't USGenWeb, the issue is that certain people can be very > rude, insulting and sarcastic when responding to someone's email. It's not > necessary. She wasn't alone in her impression. I'll read posts on here > from the "pig" and just roll my eyes at the ignorance. > > It doesn't take much to be polite or nice in an email. > > Liz > > On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 11:01 AM, Kathie Harrison <harrison28@gmail.com>wrote: > >> Who said anything about USGenWeb lists? I never saw anything about that, >> What has that got to do with this thread? Please breathe deeply and not >> get >> yourself upset. What does that accomplish? I was a list admin long before >> I >> was a part of the USGenWeb and frankly I don't understand why you would >> give up your lists because of this discussion. Happy Easter........ >> >> On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 9:26 AM, Jan Cortez <janacortez@charter.net> >> wrote: >> >> > ** >> >> > Thank you all for your comments and letting me know just how stupid I >> am. >> > I would have thought though that this list, of all of them was where I >> > could post something like that. I was wrong, wrong, wrong. You've all >> > chastised me quite enough and I know better than to be on this list now. >> > >> > I'm going to give up a good deal of my lists. Actually, I don't like >> the >> > attitude of most list admins who think that USGenWeb owns them all and >> the >> > only thing that can be posted is from them and no other projects, even >> > those that are on RW sites. >> > >> > Thank you again for my learning experience. I'm removing myself from >> this >> > list. >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> ~~~~~ >> Take care, Kathie Harrison >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> LISTOWNERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > -- ~~~~~ Take care, Kathie

Thank you all for your comments and letting me know just how stupid I am. I would have thought though that this list, of all of them was where I could post something like that. I was wrong, wrong, wrong. You've all chastised me quite enough and I know better than to be on this list now. I'm going to give up a good deal of my lists. Actually, I don't like the attitude of most list admins who think that USGenWeb owns them all and the only thing that can be posted is from them and no other projects, even those that are on RW sites. Thank you again for my learning experience. I'm removing myself from this list. ----- Original Message ----- From: Kathie Harrison To: Johan Dorey-Venter Cc: Jan Cortez Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 10:20 AM Subject: Re: [LO] Fw: Re: Your Flight N US21-04863404 Johan, that was the ADMIN for this list who posted and it was not nasty and as admins we should know better than to forward a full spam message to ANY archived list. The headers are all that are needed along with your questions. Now staff has to remove the message from the archives. Comments about intelligence are nothing but inflammatory. Megan may just swat with her flyswatter to squash your snarky comment, On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 8:36 AM, Johan Dorey-Venter <doreyventer@gmail.com> wrote: Hi Jan, . On this list there are those who give intelligent answers, and those who give nasty answers. . The intelligent ones seem to be on holiday. . Yes, you should change any possible malicious links in any messages you forward, but we all make mistakes. . I suggest we wait till those who can give intelligent answers are back from holiday, and in the mean time ignore the rude ones. . Johan. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LISTOWNERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- ~~~~~ Take care, Kathie Harrison Lancaster Co., NEGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nelancas/

Who said anything about USGenWeb lists? I never saw anything about that, What has that got to do with this thread? Please breathe deeply and not get yourself upset. What does that accomplish? I was a list admin long before I was a part of the USGenWeb and frankly I don't understand why you would give up your lists because of this discussion. Happy Easter........ On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 9:26 AM, Jan Cortez <janacortez@charter.net> wrote: > ** > Thank you all for your comments and letting me know just how stupid I am. > I would have thought though that this list, of all of them was where I > could post something like that. I was wrong, wrong, wrong. You've all > chastised me quite enough and I know better than to be on this list now. > > I'm going to give up a good deal of my lists. Actually, I don't like the > attitude of most list admins who think that USGenWeb owns them all and the > only thing that can be posted is from them and no other projects, even > those that are on RW sites. > > Thank you again for my learning experience. I'm removing myself from this > list. > > > ~~~~~ Take care, Kathie Harrison

It was never my intention to spam this list - all I wanted was an insight on what I received. Many, many, many times before I have seen people asked for more information to answer their questions, so I thought that I was accomplishing that. My apologies if you think I spammed you. I won't be asking any more questions here, that's for sure. You have a very Happy whatever too. Thanks, Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Megan Zurawicz" <listpig@earthlink.net> > On 4/5/2012 13:58, Jan Cortez wrote: >> So what's the deal? Anyone else getting these messages from rootsweb >> support? Is it possible that even their email has been compromised? > > Compromised? No. > Spoofed? Yes. > > And please don't spam the list. > > Thanks! Have a happy Easter and / or a Good Pesach. :) > > --pig > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LISTOWNERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On 4/5/2012 13:58, Jan Cortez wrote: > So what's the deal? Anyone else getting these messages from rootsweb > support? Is it possible that even their email has been compromised? Compromised? No. Spoofed? Yes. And please don't spam the list. Thanks! Have a happy Easter and / or a Good Pesach. :) --pig

I hate to tell you but you just shared the SPAM/SCAM link with us and the listowners archives. Jim -----Original Message----- From: listowners-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:listowners-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jan Cortez Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 1:59 PM To: listowners@rootsweb.com Subject: [LO] Fw: Re: Your Flight N US21-04863404 So what's the deal? Anyone else getting these messages from rootsweb support? Is it possible that even their email has been compromised? Here is the expanded header on the email, if any of you know where it comes from. I am kind of in the dark on understanding them. Return-Path: <mailman-bounces@rootsweb.com> Received: from imp07 ([10.20.200.7]) by mta22.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20120405171939.CZVC15045.mta22.charter.net@imp07> for <janacortez@charter.net>; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 13:19:39 -0400 Received: from lists2.rootsweb.com ([66.43.28.157]) by imp07 with charter.net id uHKe1i0673PP5pu04HKeH3; Thu, 05 Apr 2012 13:19:39 -0400 X-Chzlrs: ?? X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=wGTJO4WrJkvYGnuozWuf/oC0aOUmkwPDl8BBMZ3w0Ic= c=1 sm=1 a=lfVh9Zn2rNwA:10 a=h6H2t06USwQA:10 a=jKecjdWMqH3bozmjGTaitA==:17 a=kmaztK-lAAAA:8 a=0PPcBj08QVTqrNQwbMsA:9 a=udTvpura_4gA:10 a=yodbRwUy4nktffqc:21 a=XdRgHQjnssGiXyKq:21 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=DrgsY2sfAAAA:8 a=iCw0uJjIIsxGxNhuwKIA:9 a=UXsFr0r0qyq2sLzQNMkA:7 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=2ze74x3rIVcA:10 a=rWW6K5T5SX8ge-TQ:21 a=FzMrPKoYACjWksjg:21 a=jKecjdWMqH3bozmjGTaitA==:117 Received: from lists2.rootsweb.com (lists2.rootsweb.com [127.0.0.1]) by lists2.rootsweb.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q35HJcRt020925 for <janacortez@charter.net>; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 11:19:38 -0600 Received: from mail3.rootsweb.com (mail3.rootsweb.com [192.168.26.64]) by lists2.rootsweb.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q35HJJ44020737 for <MISCHOOL-owner@lists2.rootsweb.com>; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 11:19:19 -0600 Received: from mail.rootsweb.com (mail.rootsweb.com [192.168.26.52]) by mail3.rootsweb.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q35HIqvO017236 for <MISCHOOL-owner@lists2.rootsweb.com>; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 11:19:19 -0600 Received: from [39.41.238.101] ([39.41.238.101]) by mail.rootsweb.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q35HEVqC019260 for <mischool-admin@rootsweb.com>; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 11:14:34 -0600 Received: from (helo=rootsweb.com) by rootsweb.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.66 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from <IsabelaKossen@kennametal.com>) id 1Q69QT-6043wi-2G for <mischool-admin@rootsweb.com>; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 02:14:35 -0800 From: <support@rootsweb.com> To: <mischool-admin@rootsweb.com> Subject: Fwd: Re: Your Flight N US21-04863404 Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 02:14:35 -0800 Message-ID: <bc2e01cd130c$84ae6790$65ee2927@j1mXzBHERBERT> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0EE7_01CD130C.84E66780" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQK4s30xfMSuKKK58k9lokVQB3mYlz== Content-Language: en X-OlkEid: DACDA52C67A52C6739B01FB2501FB252501FB094 X-Spam-Score: 6.271 (******) AWL, DATE_IN_PAST_06_12, HTML_MESSAGE, RATWARE_MS_HASH, RDNS_NONE X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.68 on 192.168.26.64 Sender: mailman-bounces@rootsweb.com Errors-To: mailman-bounces@rootsweb.com Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: support@rootsweb.com To: mischool-admin@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 6:14 AM Subject: Fwd: Re: Your Flight N US21-04863404 Dear Customer, FLIGHT ELECTRONIC NUMBER N1856324 DATE & TIME / MAY 26, 2011, 17:15 PM ARRIVING: NEW YORK JFK TOTAL PRICE : 926.65 USD Please download and print out your ticket here: (deleted) CHINA HERBERT, American Airlines ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LISTOWNERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

So what's the deal? Anyone else getting these messages from rootsweb support? Is it possible that even their email has been compromised? Here is the expanded header on the email, if any of you know where it comes from. I am kind of in the dark on understanding them. Return-Path: <mailman-bounces@rootsweb.com> Received: from imp07 ([10.20.200.7]) by mta22.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20120405171939.CZVC15045.mta22.charter.net@imp07> for <janacortez@charter.net>; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 13:19:39 -0400 Received: from lists2.rootsweb.com ([66.43.28.157]) by imp07 with charter.net id uHKe1i0673PP5pu04HKeH3; Thu, 05 Apr 2012 13:19:39 -0400 X-Chzlrs: ?? X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=wGTJO4WrJkvYGnuozWuf/oC0aOUmkwPDl8BBMZ3w0Ic= c=1 sm=1 a=lfVh9Zn2rNwA:10 a=h6H2t06USwQA:10 a=jKecjdWMqH3bozmjGTaitA==:17 a=kmaztK-lAAAA:8 a=0PPcBj08QVTqrNQwbMsA:9 a=udTvpura_4gA:10 a=yodbRwUy4nktffqc:21 a=XdRgHQjnssGiXyKq:21 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=DrgsY2sfAAAA:8 a=iCw0uJjIIsxGxNhuwKIA:9 a=UXsFr0r0qyq2sLzQNMkA:7 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=2ze74x3rIVcA:10 a=rWW6K5T5SX8ge-TQ:21 a=FzMrPKoYACjWksjg:21 a=jKecjdWMqH3bozmjGTaitA==:117 Received: from lists2.rootsweb.com (lists2.rootsweb.com [127.0.0.1]) by lists2.rootsweb.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q35HJcRt020925 for <janacortez@charter.net>; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 11:19:38 -0600 Received: from mail3.rootsweb.com (mail3.rootsweb.com [192.168.26.64]) by lists2.rootsweb.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q35HJJ44020737 for <MISCHOOL-owner@lists2.rootsweb.com>; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 11:19:19 -0600 Received: from mail.rootsweb.com (mail.rootsweb.com [192.168.26.52]) by mail3.rootsweb.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q35HIqvO017236 for <MISCHOOL-owner@lists2.rootsweb.com>; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 11:19:19 -0600 Received: from [39.41.238.101] ([39.41.238.101]) by mail.rootsweb.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q35HEVqC019260 for <mischool-admin@rootsweb.com>; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 11:14:34 -0600 Received: from (helo=rootsweb.com) by rootsweb.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.66 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from <IsabelaKossen@kennametal.com>) id 1Q69QT-6043wi-2G for <mischool-admin@rootsweb.com>; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 02:14:35 -0800 From: <support@rootsweb.com> To: <mischool-admin@rootsweb.com> Subject: Fwd: Re: Your Flight N US21-04863404 Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 02:14:35 -0800 Message-ID: <bc2e01cd130c$84ae6790$65ee2927@j1mXzBHERBERT> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0EE7_01CD130C.84E66780" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQK4s30xfMSuKKK58k9lokVQB3mYlz== Content-Language: en X-OlkEid: DACDA52C67A52C6739B01FB2501FB252501FB094 X-Spam-Score: 6.271 (******) AWL, DATE_IN_PAST_06_12, HTML_MESSAGE, RATWARE_MS_HASH, RDNS_NONE X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.68 on 192.168.26.64 Sender: mailman-bounces@rootsweb.com Errors-To: mailman-bounces@rootsweb.com Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: support@rootsweb.com To: mischool-admin@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 6:14 AM Subject: Fwd: Re: Your Flight N US21-04863404 Dear Customer, FLIGHT ELECTRONIC NUMBER N1856324 DATE & TIME / MAY 26, 2011, 17:15 PM ARRIVING: NEW YORK JFK TOTAL PRICE : 926.65 USD Please download and print out your ticket here: http://www.aa.com/flight-n92110809058 CHINA HERBERT, American Airlines

To a great extent, it comes under implied consent: just as you can't post to a mailing list, and then say "RootsWeb, I did not give you permission to share that email with the subscribers of that list, and so I am going to sue you for copyright violation." Posting to an email list has some implied permissions built in. Permission to distribute to other subscribers. Permission to archive, if the list is archived. Subscribing to the list also has some implied permissions built in: Permission to send me the posts from the list I subscribed to, in whatever mode (if there's a choice) I chose [i.e., list or digest]. There's an implied request to be sent email by subscribing. And in that implied request, there's an implied promise not to report that requested email as spam as well as an implied promise not to try to break how the list works - and such behaviors as blocking posters or setting your email account not to accept mail from fellow subscribers is, essentially, an attempt to break how the list works. You don't get to make your being on the list a bunch of work for other people (such as expecting other subscribers or the admin to jump through the hoops of requesting permission to email you). I would bet that all that various implied whatnot is not exclusive to RootsWeb, but is the standard practice anywhere mailing lists are hosted. I've certainly never seen a venue where it is not. --pig

Thanks for the suggestion, Lauren. I'll see if I can find it. Diana > -----Original Message----- > From: Lauren Boyd McLachlan [mailto:listsmonster@gmail.com] > Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 6:27 PM > To: Diana Gale Matthiesen > Cc: Listowners-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [LO] subscribers must accept list messages > > I recall the requirement--- not blocking other listmembers as it > sends > bounces to the list. It was in the old Rootsweb Help information & > AUP. The current AUP is a mirror of Ancestry's and talks of > boards, > not lists. > > I suspect we would find the info via searching the LO archivers and > making use of the way back machine, if necessary -- to view the old > page(s). > > Lauren > > On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 6:51 PM, Diana Gale Matthiesen > <DianaGM@dgmweb.net> wrote: > > I remember reading once, I thought in the RootsWeb "Acceptable Use > > Policy," that subscribing to a mailing list implied agreeing to > accept > > list messages, meaning not trying to blacklist individual > subscribers > > or causing list messages to bounce in some way.  I can't seem to > find > > that stipulation in the current AUP.  Does anyone else recall it > or > > know where it is? > > > > Diana > >

Thank you to all. I was not sure what had happened (obviously). I had not received something like this before now. I was a little worried. Not Worried Any More. Lynn V Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: JYoung6180@aol.com Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 01:20:13 To: <lynn.veitch@sbcglobal.net>; <listowners@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [LO] What is this, please? Lynn- You were COPIED in this email because you admin a list from which the person the RootsWeb listmaster sent the notice was being unsubscribed. You were copied as a courtesy letting you know the person was being unsubbed because their email account was compromised and sent spam as a result through to some lists. It doesn't mean YOU were unsubbed from any lists. Joan In a message dated 4/1/2012 11:50:47 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, lynn.veitch@sbcglobal.net writes: I received this email on the 28th of March. The headers are below. I think this is either real, spam, or tro*an/vi*us. I believe the later to be correct. Your opinion is appreciated. It gives a list of Mailing lists to which I am supposed to be "still" subbed. I have never been subbed to any of them. Thanks. Lynn V

On 4/2/2012 5:32 AM, Nan wrote: > Lynn, > > They started sending these out pretty recently (few months, maybe?). > It's explained at the beginning of the message: ... > subscribe.For your reference here is a listing of the (number) mailing > lists to which you were still subscribed today. > (list) > A blind CC of this message is being sent to admins of these mailing > lists to inform them of the action we have taken. > Respectfully, > Gerhard > RootsWeb Listmaster" > > Nan Nan: This was not well thought out, as far as how it looks to *admins*. The big problem is what the subject line looks like in the admin's In Box. It simply says, "You have been unsubscribed from all your RootsWeb lists" IIRC. All it would take to fix it would be a little "Re: " at the beginning of the subject, for the blind CCs. I now filter these to Trash, unread, so for me it doesn't matter. Darrell

Lynn, They started sending these out pretty recently (few months, maybe?). It's explained at the beginning of the message: "Dear (name of subscriber), I am the person at RootsWeb who is responsible for the overall management of the mailing lists we provide for the genealogical community.It has been pointed out to us that starting yesterday, your email address, xxxx@xxxx.xxx,has been posting spam to some of the lists to which you are and have been subscribed. It is likely that your computer or your email account has been hijacked by a Trojan that is using your email account to send such spam. Please make sure that you locate a competent malware removal program that will detect and clean your computer of such a problem or contact your email provider to correct the problem. These messages and the responses that cite the spam message are being removed from our mailing list archive.To prevent your email address from sending additional spam to the subscribers of our mailing lists, your address has been unsubscribed from all of the mailing lists to which you were subscribed. After your computer has been cleaned of Trojans and your email account is secure, you are welcome to subscribe again. Please consider using another email address to subscribe.For your reference here is a listing of the (number) mailing lists to which you were still subscribed today. (list) A blind CC of this message is being sent to admins of these mailing lists to inform them of the action we have taken. Respectfully, Gerhard RootsWeb Listmaster" Nan On 4/1/2012 10:47 PM, Lynn V wrote: > I received this email on the 28th of March. The headers are below. I > think this is either real, spam, or tro*an/vi*us. I believe the later to > be correct. Your opinion is appreciated. > > It gives a list of Mailing lists to which I am supposed to be "still" > subbed. I have never been subbed to any of them. > > Thanks. > Lynn V > > ################ > > From - Sun Apr 01 22:30:15 2012 > X-Account-Key: account1 > X-UIDL: ACZAk0UAAHuPT3OKTQB7rQFua6E > X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 > X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 > X-Mozilla-Keys: > X-Apparently-To: lynn.veitch@sbcglobal.net via 69.147.64.38; Wed, 28 Mar > 2012 15:01:48 -0700 > Received-SPF: pass (domain of rootsweb.com designates 66.43.28.158 as > permitted sender) > X-YMailISG: SSolQfUWLDtYoiUNUdjJ8aSe9p2I.Xzm_Wm0NwXwwejrKHU5 > slsymc62Jeyi_D7tbsHyO9IN1JOfbfFO3Fxhsx9EoBicQu2._ZWJ2vAqHMnv > zs9g5X.7O4NPIWQUtDJ3qdIkdV5IBhGKj_I7C45Rjk03FMBMcSsaqR5jOktR > _YJmvj6SaMrqAsVqbNtYLjnyYcP9VcFVRu3737MPJrRAT56zkCC64t5IO_4b > hfjXyMJJGBr_dhpB6k.r169APaHTaYSyRV3ePcDmVY_l4XzjMJA4rCpHuAeR > DNJeswWdLYu3J0_sf2ATluDfqDFPg8jfmx6wD7tsbo.u5RR7iHI31Qe.HaLq > 5eoUpp5okKhY5wwsZnFkQX0yFoBEfZHgJxguVZaAFV5z7gur0FowRKXonSg0 > 5IJmmxXmBT6uqCpdrGj8LiK2msd3ID2d9DYty4_9IJMmcXGFGYSFgowSL0mM > dHhH5ZvdBqmV8jpATjfrgTRwPvnUj8RazKyrzuyjz5ygUt0KrMgT0HUZu9.R > .z0AmUWReN34TPKMmBWM2oQKj8CEpLEEex2Vl4_MogWFxsHFto9wjQClXCt7 > bLvUl3PT3YI7byTvpV_Rv.XQZrNlj0hFYZ4TN5i31nvPJWB8I47afpOOgE57 > BBECZu_kQFMCdg_ykkQ5U8A5JX2R4so7HPqTIlWm1JPMEfy4GeBJlWCeAYSG > T2XA8R_BfD3yUxyVPFEerOvZw_RXgl8VTOM3kBcmTdiV8A7T5hAb5dzra6qB > djwph.zwJECYBoMxI1TTk2vWcLwqqTy2cMXtOM49Auoi2hx35TSlQUkXB5dW > 0Eursno7VP65cEAaSCtwV15BHjjAaPd_3Y2PIUGDOgV4bgX5PBkMCcTzhmyy > xmjKntJC4GkyNrJMQy7.LQPCwOmndRcNTHaJXaVso3GV9_8Z2bm6N8TToDQI > FvRymYXbLdTX1kU4L87rAAbW7VUQrjxkUDpzUQ4AV3zrPTwG2JdoMwuMLK1. > hoBrSesiROc1sA39kdIy.TXTGUD4gkCHwZxeEPY.ZYRE7Ck- > X-Originating-IP: [66.43.28.158] > Authentication-Results: mta1009.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com > from=rootsweb.com; domainkeys=neutral (no sig); from=rootsweb.com; > dkim=neutral (no sig) > Received: from 207.115.36.141 (EHLO nlpi127.prodigy.net) (207.115.36.141) > by mta1009.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; Wed, 28 Mar 2012 > 15:01:48 -0700 > X-Originating-IP: [66.43.28.158] > Received: from lists3.rootsweb.com (lists3.rootsweb.com [66.43.28.158]) > by nlpi127.prodigy.net (8.14.4 IN/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q2SM1kWw026639 > for<lynn.veitch@sbcglobal.net>; Wed, 28 Mar 2012 17:01:47 -0500 > Received: from lists3.rootsweb.com (lists3.rootsweb.com [127.0.0.1]) > by lists3.rootsweb.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q2SM1jr5004677 > for<lynn.veitch@sbcglobal.net>; Wed, 28 Mar 2012 16:01:45 -0600 > Received: from mail3.rootsweb.com (mail3.rootsweb.com [192.168.26.64]) > by lists3.rootsweb.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q2SM1S5g004632; > Wed, 28 Mar 2012 16:01:28 -0600 > Received: from mail.rootsweb.com (mail.rootsweb.com [192.168.26.52]) > by mail3.rootsweb.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q2SM1Srk030200; > Wed, 28 Mar 2012 16:01:28 -0600 > Received: from resources.rootsweb.com (resources.rootsweb.com > [192.168.26.53]) > by mail.rootsweb.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q2SM1NQO027736; > Wed, 28 Mar 2012 16:01:23 -0600 > Received: from GRUF01 (nat.myfamilyinc.com [66.43.16.199]) > by resources.rootsweb.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id > q2SLqQWB005033; > Wed, 28 Mar 2012 15:52:26 -0600 > From:<listmaster@rootsweb.com> > To:<agony-acres@msn.com> > References: > In-Reply-To: > Subject: We Have Unsubscribed You From Your Mailing Lists at RootsWeb > Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 15:52:15 -0600 > Message-ID:<004401cd0d2d$105619e0$31024da0$@rootsweb.com> > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: multipart/alternative; > boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0045_01CD0CFA.C5BF0540" > X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 > Thread-Index: AQFMyfKZYR7g2PmWC6XFHL+qZvtFNZeAxV8Q > Content-Language: en-us > X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.68 on 192.168.26.64 > Sender: mailman-bounces@rootsweb.com > Errors-To: mailman-bounces@rootsweb.com > > This is a multipart message in MIME format. > > ------=_NextPart_000_0045_01CD0CFA.C5BF0540 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="us-ascii" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Dear Linda, > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LISTOWNERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Lynn- You were COPIED in this email because you admin a list from which the person the RootsWeb listmaster sent the notice was being unsubscribed. You were copied as a courtesy letting you know the person was being unsubbed because their email account was compromised and sent spam as a result through to some lists. It doesn't mean YOU were unsubbed from any lists. Joan In a message dated 4/1/2012 11:50:47 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, lynn.veitch@sbcglobal.net writes: I received this email on the 28th of March. The headers are below. I think this is either real, spam, or tro*an/vi*us. I believe the later to be correct. Your opinion is appreciated. It gives a list of Mailing lists to which I am supposed to be "still" subbed. I have never been subbed to any of them. Thanks. Lynn V

On 4/2/2012 12:20 AM, JYoung6180@aol.com wrote: > Lynn- > > You were COPIED in this email because you admin a list from which the > person the RootsWeb listmaster sent the notice was being unsubscribed. You were > copied as a courtesy letting you know the person was being unsubbed > because their email account was compromised and sent spam as a result through to > some lists. It doesn't mean YOU were unsubbed from any lists. > > Joan Joan: These "courtesy notices" are more like "pacemaker stress test messages". At least, for the first couple I got. Once I figured out what they were, I realized I could delete them unread. That means if I ever did get unsubbed from all my lists I would have to figure out the hard way that it had happened, because I would never read the message. Darrell

I received this email on the 28th of March. The headers are below. I think this is either real, spam, or tro*an/vi*us. I believe the later to be correct. Your opinion is appreciated. It gives a list of Mailing lists to which I am supposed to be "still" subbed. I have never been subbed to any of them. Thanks. Lynn V ################ From - Sun Apr 01 22:30:15 2012 X-Account-Key: account1 X-UIDL: ACZAk0UAAHuPT3OKTQB7rQFua6E X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 X-Mozilla-Keys: X-Apparently-To: lynn.veitch@sbcglobal.net via 69.147.64.38; Wed, 28 Mar 2012 15:01:48 -0700 Received-SPF: pass (domain of rootsweb.com designates 66.43.28.158 as permitted sender) X-YMailISG: SSolQfUWLDtYoiUNUdjJ8aSe9p2I.Xzm_Wm0NwXwwejrKHU5 slsymc62Jeyi_D7tbsHyO9IN1JOfbfFO3Fxhsx9EoBicQu2._ZWJ2vAqHMnv zs9g5X.7O4NPIWQUtDJ3qdIkdV5IBhGKj_I7C45Rjk03FMBMcSsaqR5jOktR _YJmvj6SaMrqAsVqbNtYLjnyYcP9VcFVRu3737MPJrRAT56zkCC64t5IO_4b hfjXyMJJGBr_dhpB6k.r169APaHTaYSyRV3ePcDmVY_l4XzjMJA4rCpHuAeR DNJeswWdLYu3J0_sf2ATluDfqDFPg8jfmx6wD7tsbo.u5RR7iHI31Qe.HaLq 5eoUpp5okKhY5wwsZnFkQX0yFoBEfZHgJxguVZaAFV5z7gur0FowRKXonSg0 5IJmmxXmBT6uqCpdrGj8LiK2msd3ID2d9DYty4_9IJMmcXGFGYSFgowSL0mM dHhH5ZvdBqmV8jpATjfrgTRwPvnUj8RazKyrzuyjz5ygUt0KrMgT0HUZu9.R .z0AmUWReN34TPKMmBWM2oQKj8CEpLEEex2Vl4_MogWFxsHFto9wjQClXCt7 bLvUl3PT3YI7byTvpV_Rv.XQZrNlj0hFYZ4TN5i31nvPJWB8I47afpOOgE57 BBECZu_kQFMCdg_ykkQ5U8A5JX2R4so7HPqTIlWm1JPMEfy4GeBJlWCeAYSG T2XA8R_BfD3yUxyVPFEerOvZw_RXgl8VTOM3kBcmTdiV8A7T5hAb5dzra6qB djwph.zwJECYBoMxI1TTk2vWcLwqqTy2cMXtOM49Auoi2hx35TSlQUkXB5dW 0Eursno7VP65cEAaSCtwV15BHjjAaPd_3Y2PIUGDOgV4bgX5PBkMCcTzhmyy xmjKntJC4GkyNrJMQy7.LQPCwOmndRcNTHaJXaVso3GV9_8Z2bm6N8TToDQI FvRymYXbLdTX1kU4L87rAAbW7VUQrjxkUDpzUQ4AV3zrPTwG2JdoMwuMLK1. hoBrSesiROc1sA39kdIy.TXTGUD4gkCHwZxeEPY.ZYRE7Ck- X-Originating-IP: [66.43.28.158] Authentication-Results: mta1009.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com from=rootsweb.com; domainkeys=neutral (no sig); from=rootsweb.com; dkim=neutral (no sig) Received: from 207.115.36.141 (EHLO nlpi127.prodigy.net) (207.115.36.141) by mta1009.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; Wed, 28 Mar 2012 15:01:48 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [66.43.28.158] Received: from lists3.rootsweb.com (lists3.rootsweb.com [66.43.28.158]) by nlpi127.prodigy.net (8.14.4 IN/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q2SM1kWw026639 for <lynn.veitch@sbcglobal.net>; Wed, 28 Mar 2012 17:01:47 -0500 Received: from lists3.rootsweb.com (lists3.rootsweb.com [127.0.0.1]) by lists3.rootsweb.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q2SM1jr5004677 for <lynn.veitch@sbcglobal.net>; Wed, 28 Mar 2012 16:01:45 -0600 Received: from mail3.rootsweb.com (mail3.rootsweb.com [192.168.26.64]) by lists3.rootsweb.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q2SM1S5g004632; Wed, 28 Mar 2012 16:01:28 -0600 Received: from mail.rootsweb.com (mail.rootsweb.com [192.168.26.52]) by mail3.rootsweb.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q2SM1Srk030200; Wed, 28 Mar 2012 16:01:28 -0600 Received: from resources.rootsweb.com (resources.rootsweb.com [192.168.26.53]) by mail.rootsweb.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q2SM1NQO027736; Wed, 28 Mar 2012 16:01:23 -0600 Received: from GRUF01 (nat.myfamilyinc.com [66.43.16.199]) by resources.rootsweb.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q2SLqQWB005033; Wed, 28 Mar 2012 15:52:26 -0600 From: <listmaster@rootsweb.com> To: <agony-acres@msn.com> References: In-Reply-To: Subject: We Have Unsubscribed You From Your Mailing Lists at RootsWeb Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 15:52:15 -0600 Message-ID: <004401cd0d2d$105619e0$31024da0$@rootsweb.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0045_01CD0CFA.C5BF0540" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQFMyfKZYR7g2PmWC6XFHL+qZvtFNZeAxV8Q Content-Language: en-us X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.68 on 192.168.26.64 Sender: mailman-bounces@rootsweb.com Errors-To: mailman-bounces@rootsweb.com This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0045_01CD0CFA.C5BF0540 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Linda,

I remember reading once, I thought in the RootsWeb "Acceptable Use Policy," that subscribing to a mailing list implied agreeing to accept list messages, meaning not trying to blacklist individual subscribers or causing list messages to bounce in some way. I can't seem to find that stipulation in the current AUP. Does anyone else recall it or know where it is? Dina

On 4/1/2012 10:23 AM, John Halsey Flannery wrote: > Hi Folks: Is this a new spammer? I’m the listowner for the FLANARY& > FLANNERY Mailing Lists. The poster of the message below is subscribed > to both of these lists. I’ve tried unsubbing the poster, but the > poster simply resubs. I tried moderating the poster, but the message > below went directly to the FLANARY list. How do I add the poster to > the Ban list? > > Halsey > > [message] > > From: llrich1144@aol.com Precedence: list Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: > 7bit To: cashcraft@potawatomi.org, drich@nts-online.net, > foxybee10@verizon.net, flanary@rootsweb.com, > carlota@rotorooterconcord.com, tbow0260@aol.com, > coolmissel@hotmail.com Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2012 13:37:53 -0400 (EDT) > Reply-To: flanary@rootsweb.com > Message-ID:<8CEDD7C2287FCAB-1EA0-BEF@webmail-d143.sysops.aol.com> > Subject: Re: [FLANARY] o > Message: 1 > X-Mime-Autoconverted: from 8bit to 7bit by reformime (rfc2045lib 0.20) > > .. http:-slash-slash-autocabco.com-slash-yourdiscountcode-hyphen-health99-dot-hxxx?waID-equals-65ezy > > [end message] John: Not a spammer, but almost certainly a malicious site of some kind. Your subscriber's address has been hacked, most likely. Yes, the Ban list is the answer. The other choice is to moderate the list entirely -- Ban list works better. Admin Tools Privacy Options Ban List In the text box for the Ban List, put the address on its own line. Darrell