I can't say what the limits are for RootsWeb list addresses - they may have their own - but "balance" is not a criterion for email addresses, in general. The part of the email address after the @ must be the domain name, but the part of the email address in front of the @ - called the "local part" - is highly flexible. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Email_address I own my own domain name, dgmweb.net. You can put anything specified as "valid" on the above wiki page in front of @dgmweb.net as the local part of an email address, send it to me, and I will receive it because I own the domain. Or, rather, I would receive it if I didn't filter them out at the server. Spammers know this, so they will bombard a domain with spam using computer-generated "local parts" for the addresses. The only defense is to only accept email with specified local parts and dump the rest. Diana From: JYoung6180@aol.com [mailto:JYoung6180@aol.com] Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 10:16 PM To: DianaGM@dgmweb.net; Listowners-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LO] Please can someone help! That's kind of my point. I don't believe it IS technically possible because I believe it would appear to be out of balance. I think there are some checks for a balanced address. Joan In a message dated 4/9/2012 10:13:07 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, DianaGM@dgmweb.net writes: Indeed, I've never seen that combo in a list address, either - or any email address for that matter. It should be technically possible, but I can't imagine why someone would want it. It sure "looks" funny. Diana

I am wondering if it could possibly be because we both are using yahoo accounts. Christina Sent from my iPhone! On Apr 9, 2012, at 10:35 PM, Lee Hoffman <lhoffman@acm.org> wrote: > Apparently no one reads all the messages here. > > Marilyn first wrote: >> Have you asked your subscriber if she's sending messages to the correct >> address? >> >> _GACARROL-@rootsweb.com_ (mailto:GACARROL-@rootsweb.com) >> _GAHARALS-@rootsweb.com_ (mailto:GAHARALS-@rootsweb.com) >> > > Almost immediately, she also wrote: >> Sorry, I goofed. There should be no dash. >> >> _GACARROL@rootsweb.com_ (mailto:GACARROL@rootsweb.com) >> _GAHARALS@rootsweb.com_ (mailto:GAHARALS@rootsweb.com) > > Can we now get back to helping Christina rather than talking about > whether dashed are part of List addresses? It was a typo. > > > Lee Hoffman/KY > TMG Tips: <http://www.tmgtips.com> > My website: <http://www.tmgtips.com/lhoffman> > A user of the best genealogy program, The Master Genealogist (TMG) > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LISTOWNERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Apparently no one reads all the messages here. Marilyn first wrote: >Have you asked your subscriber if she's sending messages to the correct >address? > >_GACARROL-@rootsweb.com_ (mailto:GACARROL-@rootsweb.com) >_GAHARALS-@rootsweb.com_ (mailto:GAHARALS-@rootsweb.com) > Almost immediately, she also wrote: >Sorry, I goofed. There should be no dash. > >_GACARROL@rootsweb.com_ (mailto:GACARROL@rootsweb.com) >_GAHARALS@rootsweb.com_ (mailto:GAHARALS@rootsweb.com) Can we now get back to helping Christina rather than talking about whether dashed are part of List addresses? It was a typo. Lee Hoffman/KY TMG Tips: <http://www.tmgtips.com> My website: <http://www.tmgtips.com/lhoffman> A user of the best genealogy program, The Master Genealogist (TMG)

These are the details about what can be used, and what can't (see the section titled "Syntax") http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Email_address Syntax The format of email addresses is local-part@domain where the local-part may be up to 64 characters long and the domain name may have a maximum of 253 characters - but the maximum 256 characters length of a forward or reverse path restricts the entire email address to be no more than 254 characters.[1] The formal definitions are in RFC 5322 (sections 3.2.3 and 3.4.1) and RFC 5321 - with a more readable form given in the informational RFC 3696[2] and the associated errata. [edit]Local part The local-part of the email address may use any of these ASCII characters RFC 5322 Section 3.2.3, RFC 6531 permits Unicode beyond the ASCII range: Uppercase and lowercase English letters (a–z, A–Z) (ASCII: 65-90, 97-122) Digits 0 to 9 (ASCII: 48-57) Characters !#$%&'*+-/=?^_`{|}~ (ASCII: 33, 35-39, 42, 43, 45, 47, 61, 63, 94-96, 123-126) Character . (dot, period, full stop) (ASCII: 46) provided that it is not the first or last character, and provided also that it does not appear two or more times consecutively (e.g. John..Doe@example.com is not allowed.). Special characters are allowed with restrictions. They are: Space and "(),:;<>@[\] (ASCII: 32, 34, 40, 41, 44, 58, 59, 60, 62, 64, 91-93) The restrictions for special characters are that they must only be used when contained between quotation marks, and that 3 of them (The space, backslash \ and quotation mark " (ASCII: 32, 92, 34)) must also be preceded by a backslash \ (e.g. "\ \\\""). Comments are allowed with parentheses, e.g. "john.smith(comment)@example.com", "john(comment).smith@example.com", and "joh(comment)n.smith@example.com" are all equivalent to "john.smith@example.com" International characters above U+007F are permitted by RFC 6531, though mail systems may restrict which characters to use when assigning local parts. A quoted string may exist as a dot separated entity within the local-part, or it may exist when the outermost quotes are the outermost characters of the local-part (e.g. abc."defghi".xyz@example.com or "abcdefghixyz"@example.com are allowed. Conversely, abc"defghi"xyz@example.com is not; neither is abc\"def\"ghi@example.com). Quoted strings and characters however, are not commonly used. RFC 5321 also warns that "a host that expects to receive mail SHOULD avoid defining mailboxes where the Local-part requires (or uses) the Quoted-string form". The local-part "postmaster" is treated specially - it is case-insensitive, and should be forwarded to the server's administrator. Technically all other local-parts are case sensitive, therefore jsmith@example.com and JSmith@example.com specify different mailboxes. However most organizations treat uppercase and lowercase letters as equivalent, and also do not allow use of the technically valid characters (space, ? and ^). Organizations are free to restrict the forms of their own email addresses as desired, e.g., Windows Live Hotmail, for example, only allows creation of email addresses using alphanumerics, dot (.), underscore (_) and hyphen (-).[3] Systems that send mail must be capable of handling outgoing mail for all valid addresses. Contrary to the relevant standards, some defective systems treat certain legitimate addresses as invalid and fail to handle mail to these addresses. Hotmail, for example, refuses to send mail to any address containing any of the following standards-permissible characters: !#$%*/?^`{|}~ -David Reed --------------------------------------------- "When you cannot make up your mind which of two evenly balanced courses of action you should take, choose the bolder." - William Joseph Slim  Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. -----Original Message----- From: listowners-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:listowners-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Diana Gale Matthiesen Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 10:10 PM To: Listowners-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LO] Please can someone help! Indeed, I've never seen that combo in a list address, either - or any email address for that matter. It should be technically possible, but I can't imagine why someone would want it. It sure "looks" funny. Diana From: JYoung6180@aol.com [mailto:JYoung6180@aol.com] Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 9:38 PM To: DianaGM@dgmweb.net; Listowners-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LO] Please can someone help! The difference is that a hyphen is used to separate two parts of a list address but never as a final character before the @ sign. I think that would appear to be out of balance sort of like an opening quote mark with no closing quote or an opening bracket with no closing bracket--you have the - to separate not followed by anything it is separating the first part from if that make any sense. Joan In a message dated 4/9/2012 9:32:27 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, DianaGM@dgmweb.net writes: A hyphen isn't that unusual. Over and above the -D, -L, -request, -admin versions, pretty much all the DNA lists are hyphenated, some more than once: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/DNA/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LISTOWNERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

That's kind of my point. I don't believe it IS technically possible because I believe it would appear to be out of balance. I think there are some checks for a balanced address. Joan In a message dated 4/9/2012 10:13:07 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, DianaGM@dgmweb.net writes: Indeed, I've never seen that combo in a list address, either - or any email address for that matter. It should be technically possible, but I can't imagine why someone would want it. It sure "looks" funny. Diana

Indeed, I've never seen that combo in a list address, either - or any email address for that matter. It should be technically possible, but I can't imagine why someone would want it. It sure "looks" funny. Diana From: JYoung6180@aol.com [mailto:JYoung6180@aol.com] Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 9:38 PM To: DianaGM@dgmweb.net; Listowners-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LO] Please can someone help! The difference is that a hyphen is used to separate two parts of a list address but never as a final character before the @ sign. I think that would appear to be out of balance sort of like an opening quote mark with no closing quote or an opening bracket with no closing bracket--you have the - to separate not followed by anything it is separating the first part from if that make any sense. Joan In a message dated 4/9/2012 9:32:27 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, DianaGM@dgmweb.net writes: A hyphen isn't that unusual. Over and above the -D, -L, -request, -admin versions, pretty much all the DNA lists are hyphenated, some more than once: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/DNA/

The difference is that a hyphen is used to separate two parts of a list address but never as a final character before the @ sign. I think that would appear to be out of balance sort of like an opening quote mark with no closing quote or an opening bracket with no closing bracket--you have the - to separate not followed by anything it is separating the first part from if that make any sense. Joan In a message dated 4/9/2012 9:32:27 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, DianaGM@dgmweb.net writes: A hyphen isn't that unusual. Over and above the -D, -L, -request, -admin versions, pretty much all the DNA lists are hyphenated, some more than once: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/DNA/

INDEED! (See my sig. line!) -David Reed List Administrator: MAINE, NEW-ENG-GEN, MELINCOL (Maine, Lincoln County), ME-IRISH, CEMETERIES-HISTORIC-PRESERVATION, MARIN --------------------------------------------- "Actually, there is only one 'first question' of government, and it is "How should we live?" or "What kind of people do we want our citizens to be?" - George F. Will (1941-), American political commentator  Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. -----Original Message----- From: listowners-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:listowners-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Diana Gale Matthiesen Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 9:30 PM To: Listowners-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LO] Please can someone help! A hyphen isn't that unusual. Over and above the -D, -L, -request, -admin versions, pretty much all the DNA lists are hyphenated, some more than once: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/DNA/ > From: Nancy > Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 6:58 PM > > Interesting. I've never seen a hyphen in a RW mailing list email > address. > > Nancy ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LISTOWNERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

A hyphen isn't that unusual. Over and above the -D, -L, -request, -admin versions, pretty much all the DNA lists are hyphenated, some more than once: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/DNA/ > From: Nancy > Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 6:58 PM > > Interesting. I've never seen a hyphen in a RW mailing list email > address. > > Nancy

Aside I believe under the previous mail system you could have -L@ or -D@ GACARROL-L@rootsweb.com GAHARALS-L@rootsweb.com This was still working a while ago.

The email address for the list is: > GACARROL@rootsweb.com Christina Sent from my iPhone! On Apr 9, 2012, at 7:24 PM, "M Nickless" <unicorn1950@comcast.net> wrote: > I believe that you would only see a hyphen in that position (immediately before “@”) if it is followed by the word “request” which is used when you subscribe, or unsubscribe, to a Rootsweb mailing list. > > > > > From: Nancy > Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 3:57 PM > To: LISTOWNERS@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [LO] Please can someone help! > > Interesting. I've never seen a hyphen in a RW mailing list email address. > > Nancy > > > > ________________________________ > From: "Tribehunter@aol.com" <Tribehunter@aol.com> > To: LISTOWNERS@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, April 9, 2012 9:33 AM > Subject: Re: [LO] Please can someone help! > > Christina, > > Have you asked your subscriber if she's sending messages to the correct > address? > > _GACARROL-@rootsweb.com_ (mailto:GACARROL-@rootsweb.com) > _GAHARALS-@rootsweb.com_ (mailto:GAHARALS-@rootsweb.com) > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LISTOWNERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

No there not there that is the first place I looked. I have never had any problem with any other mailing list I have had for several years now.. Just can not figure t out how two completely different emails on two different mailing lists will not go thru. Christina Sent from my iPhone! On Apr 9, 2012, at 7:20 PM, Lee Hoffman <lhoffman@acm.org> wrote: > Christina Palmer wrote: >> I have two mailing lists the I am the Administrator for. I received >> an email this morning from someone stating she was having trouble >> with sending an email to the list. >> So I checked and tried to send a test email to both of them and >> neither are working. Can someone please help me with this? >> GACARROL >> GAHARALS > > Have you checked the Pending Requests to see if the missing messages > are there? (Look at right column of your mailing list administration > tools page). Also check to see if the list is set for emergency > moderation (near the bottom of the same page. > > Hope this helps > > Lee Hoffman/KY > TMG Tips: <http://www.tmgtips.com> > My website: <http://www.tmgtips.com/lhoffman> > A user of the best genealogy program, The Master Genealogist (TMG) > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LISTOWNERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Christina Palmer wrote: >I have two mailing lists the I am the Administrator for. I received >an email this morning from someone stating she was having trouble >with sending an email to the list. >So I checked and tried to send a test email to both of them and >neither are working. Can someone please help me with this? >GACARROL >GAHARALS Have you checked the Pending Requests to see if the missing messages are there? (Look at right column of your mailing list administration tools page). Also check to see if the list is set for emergency moderation (near the bottom of the same page. Hope this helps Lee Hoffman/KY TMG Tips: <http://www.tmgtips.com> My website: <http://www.tmgtips.com/lhoffman> A user of the best genealogy program, The Master Genealogist (TMG)

I believe that you would only see a hyphen in that position (immediately before “@”) if it is followed by the word “request” which is used when you subscribe, or unsubscribe, to a Rootsweb mailing list. From: Nancy Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 3:57 PM To: LISTOWNERS@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LO] Please can someone help! Interesting. I've never seen a hyphen in a RW mailing list email address. Nancy ________________________________ From: "Tribehunter@aol.com" <Tribehunter@aol.com> To: LISTOWNERS@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, April 9, 2012 9:33 AM Subject: Re: [LO] Please can someone help! Christina, Have you asked your subscriber if she's sending messages to the correct address? _GACARROL-@rootsweb.com_ (mailto:GACARROL-@rootsweb.com) _GAHARALS-@rootsweb.com_ (mailto:GAHARALS-@rootsweb.com)

Interesting. I've never seen a hyphen in a RW mailing list email address. Nancy ________________________________ From: "Tribehunter@aol.com" <Tribehunter@aol.com> To: LISTOWNERS@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, April 9, 2012 9:33 AM Subject: Re: [LO] Please can someone help! Christina, Have you asked your subscriber if she's sending messages to the correct  address? _GACARROL-@rootsweb.com_ (mailto:GACARROL-@rootsweb.com)    _GAHARALS-@rootsweb.com_ (mailto:GAHARALS-@rootsweb.com)   

Sorry, I goofed. There should be no dash. _GACARROL@rootsweb.com_ (mailto:GACARROL@rootsweb.com) _GAHARALS@rootsweb.com_ (mailto:GAHARALS@rootsweb.com) Marilyn ---------------------------------------------------- In a message dated 4/9/2012 11:29:01 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, christina_palmer@ymail.com writes: I have two mailing lists the I am the Administrator for. I received an email this morning from someone stating she was having trouble with sending an email to the list. So I checked and tried to send a test email to both of them and neither are working. Can someone please help me with this? GACARROL GAHARALS Christina Palmer ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LISTOWNERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LISTOWNERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Christina, Have you asked your subscriber if she's sending messages to the correct address? _GACARROL-@rootsweb.com_ (mailto:GACARROL-@rootsweb.com) _GAHARALS-@rootsweb.com_ (mailto:GAHARALS-@rootsweb.com) Marilyn ---------------------------------------------------- In a message dated 4/9/2012 11:29:01 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, christina_palmer@ymail.com writes: I have two mailing lists the I am the Administrator for. I received an email this morning from someone stating she was having trouble with sending an email to the list. So I checked and tried to send a test email to both of them and neither are working. Can someone please help me with this? GACARROL GAHARALS Christina Palmer ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LISTOWNERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have two mailing lists the I am the Administrator for. I received an email this morning from someone stating she was having trouble with sending an email to the list. So I checked and tried to send a test email to both of them and neither are working. Can someone please help me with this? GACARROL    GAHARALS  Christina Palmer

Exactly my feelings, Liz. . Everyone jumped down the poor woman's throat for re-posting the spam to this list, but no-one answered her question. Even list admins can make mistakes, we are all human. . And, to correct a wrong impression, I referred to "intelligent" and "rude" ANSWERS. I did NOT refer to any person's intelligence (or lack thereof). . Enough said, I don't want to be unsubbed or banned. . Johan.

Hi Jan, . On this list there are those who give intelligent answers, and those who give nasty answers. . The intelligent ones seem to be on holiday. . Yes, you should change any possible malicious links in any messages you forward, but we all make mistakes. . I suggest we wait till those who can give intelligent answers are back from holiday, and in the mean time ignore the rude ones. . Johan.