Lainee wrote: > Well, Jim, I just subscribed to 2 new email lists that I have never been > on > and I went through the steps that you described and I could get nowhere. > These 2 lists were on lists9...what server were you attempting this on? I tried it too and just got the "List Administrator Password" prompt and couldn't get in because I didn't have the password. I also have to provide the password for the lists for which I am the admin, so I can't see how you can get to the Admin pages without a password. The personal pages for each list (that we were promised six years ago) are still password protected and therefore unavailable to us, so we have less access than a standard Mailman implementation. Regards Elmo. -- --Keith Elmo ELDRIDGE --Elmo@aphelia.co.uk --Buxworth, High Peak, Derbyshire, England. --List Administrator of the Essex-UK and Isle-of-Wight lists plus have just now adopted ELDRIDGE-L

Could it have the password many listowners use when we transfer lists among ourselves. I have had two or three people use the same one. -----Original Message----- From: Jim Jackson <popsjackson@charter.net> To: 'Darrell A. Martin' <darrellm@sprynet.com>; listowners <listowners@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tue, Apr 10, 2012 11:11 pm Subject: Re: [LO] A question for Jim Re: Scary glitch in system It would be quite the coincidence if my password were duplicated by someone lse. I tried to make sure it was unique. :) I just tried again on the Bergie list which is lists9 and available for doption. When I clicked on "BERGIE administrative interface" I was taken irectly to the General Options page of the list tools. Evidently the hole" wasn't patched. Success again with BURTCH - also adoptable and ists9. Success again on lists9 with one I will not name since it is not on he adoptable list. This is quite strange. Jim -----Original Message----- rom: listowners-bounces@rootsweb.com mailto:listowners-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Darrell A. Martin ent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 10:47 PM o: listowners@rootsweb.com ubject: [LO] A question for Jim Re: Scary glitch in system On 4/10/2012 6:06 PM, Lainee Denton-Jones wrote: Miss Joan, I could see a link to the administrative interface but when I clicked on t then it had MY password ****** in the space but when I clicked to go in, t told me it was an invalid password. Lainee Jim: DO NOT tell me what it is, but is your admin password something that nother list admin might plausibly use? Something like "rootsweb" or genealogy" or the like? Darrell ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ISTOWNERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the uotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LISTOWNERS-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

It would be quite the coincidence if my password were duplicated by someone else. I tried to make sure it was unique. :) I just tried again on the Bergie list which is lists9 and available for adoption. When I clicked on "BERGIE administrative interface" I was taken directly to the General Options page of the list tools. Evidently the "hole" wasn't patched. Success again with BURTCH - also adoptable and lists9. Success again on lists9 with one I will not name since it is not on the adoptable list. This is quite strange. Jim -----Original Message----- From: listowners-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:listowners-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Darrell A. Martin Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 10:47 PM To: listowners@rootsweb.com Subject: [LO] A question for Jim Re: Scary glitch in system On 4/10/2012 6:06 PM, Lainee Denton-Jones wrote: > Miss Joan, > > I could see a link to the administrative interface but when I clicked on it then it had MY password ****** in the space but when I clicked to go in, it told me it was an invalid password. > > Lainee Jim: DO NOT tell me what it is, but is your admin password something that another list admin might plausibly use? Something like "rootsweb" or "genealogy" or the like? Darrell ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LISTOWNERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On 4/10/2012 6:06 PM, Lainee Denton-Jones wrote: > Miss Joan, > > I could see a link to the administrative interface but when I clicked on it then it had MY password ****** in the space but when I clicked to go in, it told me it was an invalid password. > > Lainee Jim: DO NOT tell me what it is, but is your admin password something that another list admin might plausibly use? Something like "rootsweb" or "genealogy" or the like? Darrell

On 4/10/2012 5:59 PM, Lainee Denton-Jones wrote: > Well, Jim, I just subscribed to 2 new email lists that I have never been on > and I went through the steps that you described and I could get nowhere. > These 2 lists were on lists9...what server were you attempting this on? > > Lainee Lainee: I also tried this, with the VTBENNIN list, and failed. After that, I sent a message to VTBENNIN-admin to say I had made the attempt, and why, and that I was unsuccessful. VTBENNIN's list tools appear to be on LISTS2. Darrell

Jim- You did absolutely the right thing to report what you found. Joan In a message dated 4/10/2012 7:27:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, popsjackson@charter.net writes: Maybe this was just an anomaly as I have been unable to recreate the scenario. I did get a response from staff saying it was being looked into so maybe they were able to close the “hole” quickly. I did not mean to get anyone upset but I was sure upset for a little bit there. Jim

Maybe this was just an anomaly as I have been unable to recreate the scenario. I did get a response from staff saying it was being looked into so maybe they were able to close the "hole" quickly. I did not mean to get anyone upset but I was sure upset for a little bit there. Jim From: Lainee Denton-Jones [mailto:lainee@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 7:06 PM To: JYoung6180@aol.com; popsjackson@charter.net; listowners@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LO] Scary glitch in system Miss Joan, I could see a link to the administrative interface but when I clicked on it then it had MY password ****** in the space but when I clicked to go in, it told me it was an invalid password. Lainee From: JYoung6180@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 6:02 PM To: lainee@earthlink.net ; popsjackson@charter.net ; listowners@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LO] Scary glitch in system I'm with Lainee here...when I subscribe to a list there is nothing the administrative interface...only the question of whether you want to subscribe in L or D mode. Joan In a message dated 4/10/2012 6:59:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, lainee@earthlink.net writes: Well, Jim, I just subscribed to 2 new email lists that I have never been on and I went through the steps that you described and I could get nowhere. These 2 lists were on lists9...what server were you attempting this on? Lainee

I'm with Lainee here...when I subscribe to a list there is nothing the administrative interface...only the question of whether you want to subscribe in L or D mode. Joan In a message dated 4/10/2012 6:59:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, lainee@earthlink.net writes: Well, Jim, I just subscribed to 2 new email lists that I have never been on and I went through the steps that you described and I could get nowhere. These 2 lists were on lists9...what server were you attempting this on? Lainee

See my reply to Joan's message. Jim -----Original Message----- From: listowners-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:listowners-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Darrell A. Martin Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 5:10 PM To: listowners@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LO] Scary glitch in system On 4/10/2012 3:44 PM, Jim Jackson wrote: > I have just discovered that, after clicking to confirm my subscription, I > can click on "LISTNAME administrative interface" and get into the tools > pages without knowing the password. I have notified listmaster of this and > hope it can be fixed quickly. Meanwhile I will change every one ofd my > lists to "require approval" to protect my interests. > > Sorry to be bearer of bad news. > > Jim Jim: Is this on a list of which you are the administrator? Or a list to which you are merely a subscriber? Darrell ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LISTOWNERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

One of the lists I subbed to is not presently adminned. I was taken to the tools page where I could change anything I wanted to. The other "Braun" is adminned by someone else and I was in position to change anything, again, that I wanted to, including the admin address. This is not lists I already admin but those adminned by someone else or available for adoption. Try it! Subscribe to a list of your choice. When you click the link to confirm your subscription, click on "LISTNAME administrative interface" and see what happens. Jim From: JYoung6180@aol.com [mailto:JYoung6180@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 6:27 PM To: popsjackson@charter.net; listowners@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LO] Scary glitch in system Jim- If you are the list admin of the list do you maybe have your admin page bookmarked with the password added to the link? If so maybe your browser completed the URL but wouldn't for anyone else. OR maybe you can ACCESS the admin page but not take ANY actions...if so, no harm done. Out of the box MailMan does allow users to access certain information and take some actions for their own subscription but that "feature" has been disabled on RootsWeb. Joan In a message dated 4/10/2012 4:47:09 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, popsjackson@charter.net writes: I have just discovered that, after clicking to confirm my subscription, I can click on "LISTNAME administrative interface" and get into the tools pages without knowing the password. I have notified listmaster of this and hope it can be fixed quickly. Meanwhile I will change every one ofd my lists to "require approval" to protect my interests. Sorry to be bearer of bad news. Jim

Jim- If you are the list admin of the list do you maybe have your admin page bookmarked with the password added to the link? If so maybe your browser completed the URL but wouldn't for anyone else. OR maybe you can ACCESS the admin page but not take ANY actions...if so, no harm done. Out of the box MailMan does allow users to access certain information and take some actions for their own subscription but that "feature" has been disabled on RootsWeb. Joan In a message dated 4/10/2012 4:47:09 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, popsjackson@charter.net writes: I have just discovered that, after clicking to confirm my subscription, I can click on "LISTNAME administrative interface" and get into the tools pages without knowing the password. I have notified listmaster of this and hope it can be fixed quickly. Meanwhile I will change every one ofd my lists to "require approval" to protect my interests. Sorry to be bearer of bad news. Jim

Miss Joan, I could see a link to the administrative interface but when I clicked on it then it had MY password ****** in the space but when I clicked to go in, it told me it was an invalid password. Lainee From: JYoung6180@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 6:02 PM To: lainee@earthlink.net ; popsjackson@charter.net ; listowners@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LO] Scary glitch in system I'm with Lainee here...when I subscribe to a list there is nothing the administrative interface...only the question of whether you want to subscribe in L or D mode. Joan In a message dated 4/10/2012 6:59:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, lainee@earthlink.net writes: Well, Jim, I just subscribed to 2 new email lists that I have never been on and I went through the steps that you described and I could get nowhere. These 2 lists were on lists9...what server were you attempting this on? Lainee

Hi Christina, What exactly have you done to try and determine the problem? This thread has become so convoluted I'm not sure if you've told us the full story. Your list member who can't post - - when s/he posted to the list, did they use the list address that they stored in their address book and used successfully in the past (or replied to a previous post so the address was completed automatically), or did they type it in manually? - was there a bounce message - in which case what does it say? Please post it here if you can't interpret it. - have they posted to the list and Bcc'd you so you can see the headers? (Not Cc, 'cos that works differently) You're having problems yourself - what are your answers to the first two questions? I've taken a look at the archive for both the GACARROL list and theGAHARALS list, and they're very quiet lists - no posts for almost a year now on the former, and nothing since February for the latter. Have you checked that both of you are still subscribed to both lists? Has anyone else reported problems? If you can give us some answers to these questions, we might be able to start getting down to what the problem is. :-) Kind Regards, Wendy Christina Palmer said the following on 10/04/2012 2:43 p.m.: > I am wondering if it could possibly be because we both are using yahoo accounts. > > Christina

Well, Jim, I just subscribed to 2 new email lists that I have never been on and I went through the steps that you described and I could get nowhere. These 2 lists were on lists9...what server were you attempting this on? Lainee -----Original Message----- From: Jim Jackson Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 5:45 PM To: JYoung6180@aol.com ; listowners@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LO] Scary glitch in system One of the lists I subbed to is not presently adminned. I was taken to the tools page where I could change anything I wanted to. The other "Braun" is adminned by someone else and I was in position to change anything, again, that I wanted to, including the admin address. This is not lists I already admin but those adminned by someone else or available for adoption. Try it! Subscribe to a list of your choice. When you click the link to confirm your subscription, click on "LISTNAME administrative interface" and see what happens. Jim

I have just discovered that, after clicking to confirm my subscription, I can click on "LISTNAME administrative interface" and get into the tools pages without knowing the password. I have notified listmaster of this and hope it can be fixed quickly. Meanwhile I will change every one ofd my lists to "require approval" to protect my interests. Sorry to be bearer of bad news. Jim

On 4/10/2012 3:44 PM, Jim Jackson wrote: > I have just discovered that, after clicking to confirm my subscription, I > can click on "LISTNAME administrative interface" and get into the tools > pages without knowing the password. I have notified listmaster of this and > hope it can be fixed quickly. Meanwhile I will change every one ofd my > lists to "require approval" to protect my interests. > > Sorry to be bearer of bad news. > > Jim Jim: Is this on a list of which you are the administrator? Or a list to which you are merely a subscriber? Darrell

RGWSPOON@aol.com wrote: I think I remember that the person who first sent the addresses with the offending hyphen came back immediately, apologized and corrected the error. It seems lots of folks have since lost sight of what the original help request was all about. And I doubt I, as a list admin, will need to know how to construct an address from scratch. I'm going back to my genealogy. Bob W In a message dated 4/9/2012 7:20:57 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, davereed@midmaine.com writes: These are the details about what can be used, and what can't (see the section titled "Syntax") http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Email_address Syntax The format of email addresses is local-part@domain where the local-part may be up to 64 characters long and the domain name may have a maximum of 253 characters - but the maximum 256 characters length of a forward or reverse path restricts the entire email address to be no more than 254 characters.[1] The formal definitions are in RFC 5322 (sections 3.2.3 and 3.4.1) and RFC 5321 - with a more readable form given in the informational RFC 3696[2] and the associated errata. [edit]Local part The local-part of the email address may use any of these ASCII characters RFC 5322 Section 3.2.3, RFC 6531 permits Unicode beyond the ASCII range: Uppercase and lowercase English letters (a–z, A–Z) (ASCII: 65-90, 97-122) Digits 0 to 9 (ASCII: 48-57) Characters !#$%&'*+-/=?^_`{|}~ (ASCII: 33, 35-39, 42, 43, 45, 47, 61, 63, 94-96, 123-126) Character . (dot, period, full stop) (ASCII: 46) provided that it is not the first or last character, and provided also that it does not appear two or more times consecutively (e.g. John..Doe@example.com is not allowed.). Special characters are allowed with restrictions. They are: Space and "(),:;<>@[\] (ASCII: 32, 34, 40, 41, 44, 58, 59, 60, 62, 64, 91-93) The restrictions for special characters are that they must only be used when contained between quotation marks, and that 3 of them (The space, backslash \ and quotation mark " (ASCII: 32, 92, 34)) must also be preceded by a backslash \ (e.g. "\ \\\""). Comments are allowed with parentheses, e.g. "john.smith(comment)@example.com", "john(comment).smith@example.com", and "joh(comment)n.smith@example.com" are all equivalent to "john.smith@example.com" International characters above U+007F are permitted by RFC 6531, though mail systems may restrict which characters to use when assigning local parts. A quoted string may exist as a dot separated entity within the local-part, or it may exist when the outermost quotes are the outermost characters of the local-part (e.g. abc."defghi".xyz@example.com or "abcdefghixyz"@example.com are allowed. Conversely, abc"defghi"xyz@example.com is not; neither is abc\"def\"ghi@example.com). Quoted strings and characters however, are not commonly used. RFC 5321 also warns that "a host that expects to receive mail SHOULD avoid defining mailboxes where the Local-part requires (or uses) the Quoted-string form". The local-part "postmaster" is treated specially - it is case-insensitive, and should be forwarded to the server's administrator. Technically all other local-parts are case sensitive, therefore jsmith@example.com and JSmith@example.com specify different mailboxes. However most organizations treat uppercase and lowercase letters as equivalent, and also do not allow use of the technically valid characters (space, ? and ^). Organizations are free to restrict the forms of their own email addresses as desired, e.g., Windows Live Hotmail, for example, only allows creation of email addresses using alphanumerics, dot (.), underscore (_) and hyphen (-).[3] Systems that send mail must be capable of handling outgoing mail for all valid addresses. Contrary to the relevant standards, some defective systems treat certain legitimate addresses as invalid and fail to handle mail to these addresses. Hotmail, for example, refuses to send mail to any address containing any of the following standards-permissible characters: !#$%*/?^`{|}~ -David Reed _____________________________________________ -----Original Message----- From: listowners-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:listowners-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Diana Gale Matthiesen Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 10:10 PM To: Listowners-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LO] Please can someone help! Indeed, I've never seen that combo in a list address, either - or any email address for that matter. It should be technically possible, but I can't imagine why someone would want it. It sure "looks" funny. Diana From: JYoung6180@aol.com [mailto:JYoung6180@aol.com] Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 9:38 PM To: DianaGM@dgmweb.net; Listowners-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LO] Please can someone help! The difference is that a hyphen is used to separate two parts of a list address but never as a final character before the @ sign. I think that would appear to be out of balance sort of like an opening quote mark with no closing quote or an opening bracket with no closing bracket--you have the - to separate not followed by anything it is separating the first part from if that make any sense. Joan In a message dated 4/9/2012 9:32:27 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, DianaGM@dgmweb.net writes: A hyphen isn't that unusual. Over and above the -D, -L, -request, -admin versions, pretty much all the DNA lists are hyphenated, some more than once: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/DNA/ _____________________________________________ _____________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LISTOWNERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message That seems very reasonable! :) -- "Life is to short to be living someone else's dream." - Hugh Hefner Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

Your list member who can't post - - when s/he posted to the list, did they use the list address that they stored in their address book and used successfully in the past (or replied to a previous post so the address was completed automatically), or did they type it in manually? Yes she used the same one I had and tried to use. She was the old Administrator for hte mailing list. - was there a bounce message - in which case what does it say?  Please post it here if you can't interpret it. There was not a bounced message for either of us. I use my yahoo account for it as I do another mailing list I am not. But neither email I sent went through to either mailing list. But the one I have had for 4 years does fine with my yahoo account. - have they posted to the list and Bcc'd you so you can see the headers? (Not Cc, 'cos that works differently) No I didn't do that. You're having problems yourself - what are your answers to the first two questions? See above I've taken a look at the archive for both the GACARROL list and theGAHARALS list, and they're very quiet lists - no posts for almost a year now on the former, and nothing since February for the latter.  Have you checked that both of you are still subscribed to both lists?  Has anyone else reported problems? She stated yesterday day the lists are slow but she stated they are usually no this slow. She stated she did not realize it had been that long since the last post so there is no telling how long there has been a problem . Her post the GAHARALS is how I ended up adopting the two lists. But since I knew her. I just emailed her personally to adopt them. If you can give us some answers to these questions, we might be able to start getting down to what the problem is.  :-) Thanks for all your help! Christina Palmer ________________________________ From: Wendy Howard <wendy.howard@gmail.com> To: listowners@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 2:00 AM Subject: Re: [LO] Please can someone help! Hi Christina, What exactly have you done to try and determine the problem?  This thread has become so convoluted I'm not sure if you've told us the full story. Your list member who can't post - - when s/he posted to the list, did they use the list address that they stored in their address book and used successfully in the past (or replied to a previous post so the address was completed automatically), or did they type it in manually? - was there a bounce message - in which case what does it say?  Please post it here if you can't interpret it. - have they posted to the list and Bcc'd you so you can see the headers? (Not Cc, 'cos that works differently) You're having problems yourself - what are your answers to the first two questions? I've taken a look at the archive for both the GACARROL list and theGAHARALS list, and they're very quiet lists - no posts for almost a year now on the former, and nothing since February for the latter.  Have you checked that both of you are still subscribed to both lists?  Has anyone else reported problems? If you can give us some answers to these questions, we might be able to start getting down to what the problem is.  :-) Kind Regards, Wendy Christina Palmer said the following on 10/04/2012 2:43 p.m.: > I am wondering if it could possibly be because we both are using yahoo accounts. > > Christina ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LISTOWNERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

A belated, thank you, for the detailed message, Megan. I can use your message as support - and you mention things I hadn't thought of. Diana > -----Original Message----- > From: listowners-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:listowners- > bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Megan Zurawicz > Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 9:43 PM > To: listowners@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [LO] subscribers must accept list messages > > To a great extent, it comes under implied consent: just as you can't > post to a mailing list, and then say "RootsWeb, I did not give you > permission to share that email with the subscribers of that list, > and so > I am going to sue you for copyright violation." > > Posting to an email list has some implied permissions built in. > > Permission to distribute to other subscribers. > Permission to archive, if the list is archived. > > Subscribing to the list also has some implied permissions built in: > > Permission to send me the posts from the list I subscribed to, in > whatever mode (if there's a choice) I chose [i.e., list or digest]. > > There's an implied request to be sent email by subscribing. > > And in that implied request, there's an implied promise not to > report > that requested email as spam as well as an implied promise not to > try to > break how the list works - and such behaviors as blocking posters or > setting your email account not to accept mail from fellow > subscribers > is, essentially, an attempt to break how the list works. > > You don't get to make your being on the list a bunch of work for > other > people (such as expecting other subscribers or the admin to jump > through > the hoops of requesting permission to email you). > > I would bet that all that various implied whatnot is not exclusive > to > RootsWeb, but is the standard practice anywhere mailing lists are > hosted. I've certainly never seen a venue where it is not. > > --pig > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LISTOWNERS- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

I think I remember that the person who first sent the addresses with the offending hyphen came back immediately, apologized and corrected the error. It seems lots of folks have since lost sight of what the original help request was all about. And I doubt I, as a list admin, will need to know how to construct an address from scratch. I'm going back to my genealogy. Bob W In a message dated 4/9/2012 7:20:57 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, davereed@midmaine.com writes: These are the details about what can be used, and what can't (see the section titled "Syntax") http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Email_address Syntax The format of email addresses is local-part@domain where the local-part may be up to 64 characters long and the domain name may have a maximum of 253 characters - but the maximum 256 characters length of a forward or reverse path restricts the entire email address to be no more than 254 characters.[1] The formal definitions are in RFC 5322 (sections 3.2.3 and 3.4.1) and RFC 5321 - with a more readable form given in the informational RFC 3696[2] and the associated errata. [edit]Local part The local-part of the email address may use any of these ASCII characters RFC 5322 Section 3.2.3, RFC 6531 permits Unicode beyond the ASCII range: Uppercase and lowercase English letters (a–z, A–Z) (ASCII: 65-90, 97-122) Digits 0 to 9 (ASCII: 48-57) Characters !#$%&'*+-/=?^_`{|}~ (ASCII: 33, 35-39, 42, 43, 45, 47, 61, 63, 94-96, 123-126) Character . (dot, period, full stop) (ASCII: 46) provided that it is not the first or last character, and provided also that it does not appear two or more times consecutively (e.g. John..Doe@example.com is not allowed.). Special characters are allowed with restrictions. They are: Space and "(),:;<>@[\] (ASCII: 32, 34, 40, 41, 44, 58, 59, 60, 62, 64, 91-93) The restrictions for special characters are that they must only be used when contained between quotation marks, and that 3 of them (The space, backslash \ and quotation mark " (ASCII: 32, 92, 34)) must also be preceded by a backslash \ (e.g. "\ \\\""). Comments are allowed with parentheses, e.g. "john.smith(comment)@example.com", "john(comment).smith@example.com", and "joh(comment)n.smith@example.com" are all equivalent to "john.smith@example.com" International characters above U+007F are permitted by RFC 6531, though mail systems may restrict which characters to use when assigning local parts. A quoted string may exist as a dot separated entity within the local-part, or it may exist when the outermost quotes are the outermost characters of the local-part (e.g. abc."defghi".xyz@example.com or "abcdefghixyz"@example.com are allowed. Conversely, abc"defghi"xyz@example.com is not; neither is abc\"def\"ghi@example.com). Quoted strings and characters however, are not commonly used. RFC 5321 also warns that "a host that expects to receive mail SHOULD avoid defining mailboxes where the Local-part requires (or uses) the Quoted-string form". The local-part "postmaster" is treated specially - it is case-insensitive, and should be forwarded to the server's administrator. Technically all other local-parts are case sensitive, therefore jsmith@example.com and JSmith@example.com specify different mailboxes. However most organizations treat uppercase and lowercase letters as equivalent, and also do not allow use of the technically valid characters (space, ? and ^). Organizations are free to restrict the forms of their own email addresses as desired, e.g., Windows Live Hotmail, for example, only allows creation of email addresses using alphanumerics, dot (.), underscore (_) and hyphen (-).[3] Systems that send mail must be capable of handling outgoing mail for all valid addresses. Contrary to the relevant standards, some defective systems treat certain legitimate addresses as invalid and fail to handle mail to these addresses. Hotmail, for example, refuses to send mail to any address containing any of the following standards-permissible characters: !#$%*/?^`{|}~ -David Reed --------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: listowners-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:listowners-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Diana Gale Matthiesen Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 10:10 PM To: Listowners-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LO] Please can someone help! Indeed, I've never seen that combo in a list address, either - or any email address for that matter. It should be technically possible, but I can't imagine why someone would want it. It sure "looks" funny. Diana From: JYoung6180@aol.com [mailto:JYoung6180@aol.com] Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 9:38 PM To: DianaGM@dgmweb.net; Listowners-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LO] Please can someone help! The difference is that a hyphen is used to separate two parts of a list address but never as a final character before the @ sign. I think that would appear to be out of balance sort of like an opening quote mark with no closing quote or an opening bracket with no closing bracket--you have the - to separate not followed by anything it is separating the first part from if that make any sense. Joan In a message dated 4/9/2012 9:32:27 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, DianaGM@dgmweb.net writes: A hyphen isn't that unusual. Over and above the -D, -L, -request, -admin versions, pretty much all the DNA lists are hyphenated, some more than once: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/DNA/ -------------------------------