I take part of that back. He says: "I am Don Krieger, a long time resident of Pittsburgh, Allegheny County, Western Pennsylvania. I am committed to placing as much material as possible at DonsList.net and keeping it accessible and free." He still operates like a spammer. Still wants donations. Janet

Joan, I did a fast Google on Donslist and he has many web pages pushing books and directories for sale and asks for donations on the others. Please give me both his e-mail addys so I can block this spammer before he starts on my lists. Thanks Janet On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 9:31 AM, <JYoung6180@aol.com> wrote: > Wendy- > > Good advice on the posting of personal information. > > I've never seen anything quite like this mass poster on LISTS before. > Usually this type of post comes on the boards and possibly through the gateway. > This guy is nothing if not persistent. I haven't used his site -- it may > well be  helpful...but I don't care for his tactics and for that reason alone > I don't  trust him. > > Joan > > > In a message dated 5/2/2012 12:24:33 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > wendy.howard@gmail.com writes: > > That's a  very strong argument for setting lists up so that the > owner/admin approves  each new member, and then putting them onto > moderation immediately after  approval is given. > > Another one - I had a new member on one of my lists  recently post about > her family.  Her first-ever post on  Rootsweb.  She gave personal details > about herself and close family  members who were clearly living.  I wrote > to her suggesting she  rethink the level of detail she revealed to a > public forum, and she came  back and thanked me for the guidance, > appreciating that I'd prevented her  from making a newbie mistake she > might come to regret. > > Food for  thought.  :-) > > Kind  Regards, > Wendy > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LISTOWNERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

be advised he is subbed to phila list under email addy of akadonnew@verizon.net because I got direct reply at 4:43 am I replied him right away with this: you lose! Have you ever thought of the risk you pose for your ISP? Getting it blacklisted because of mass unsubscribing of many subscribers to many lists (848 lists and counting) Social Security is available for free at other sites and they do not ask for donations of $$ to begin with. David On 5/2/2012 7:27 AM, JYoung6180@aol.com wrote: > Janet- > > His actual address that you can search for and find the 848 posts within > the past week is: akadonnew@verizon.net > > The throwaway Yahoo address he used to sub and blast me after I blocked him > is: marystraighttalk@yahoo.com > > > Joan > > In a message dated 5/2/2012 5:48:33 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > reojan@gmail.com writes: > > Joan, I did a fast Google on Donslist and he has many web pages > pushing books and directories for sale and asks for donations on the > others. > Please give me both his e-mail addys so I can block this spammer > before he starts on my lists. Thanks > > Janet > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LISTOWNERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Janet- His actual address that you can search for and find the 848 posts within the past week is: akadonnew@verizon.net The throwaway Yahoo address he used to sub and blast me after I blocked him is: marystraighttalk@yahoo.com Joan In a message dated 5/2/2012 5:48:33 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, reojan@gmail.com writes: Joan, I did a fast Google on Donslist and he has many web pages pushing books and directories for sale and asks for donations on the others. Please give me both his e-mail addys so I can block this spammer before he starts on my lists. Thanks Janet

Wendy- Good advice on the posting of personal information. I've never seen anything quite like this mass poster on LISTS before. Usually this type of post comes on the boards and possibly through the gateway. This guy is nothing if not persistent. I haven't used his site -- it may well be helpful...but I don't care for his tactics and for that reason alone I don't trust him. Joan In a message dated 5/2/2012 12:24:33 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, wendy.howard@gmail.com writes: That's a very strong argument for setting lists up so that the owner/admin approves each new member, and then putting them onto moderation immediately after approval is given. Another one - I had a new member on one of my lists recently post about her family. Her first-ever post on Rootsweb. She gave personal details about herself and close family members who were clearly living. I wrote to her suggesting she rethink the level of detail she revealed to a public forum, and she came back and thanked me for the guidance, appreciating that I'd prevented her from making a newbie mistake she might come to regret. Food for thought. :-) Kind Regards, Wendy

Remember the donslist guy I wrote about before? Well, in just a little over ONE week since he's showed up on the RootsWeb lists he's amassed a total of 848 messages in the list archives. I know I've tried to explain asking permission to post advertisements and what "off-topic" means but he's just not listening and doesn't care. Tonight after I blocked him on one of my lists he got himself a throwaway Yahoo address subbed and attacked me and unsubbed. Every single one of the 848 messages from him over the past few days is a direct advertisement for his Web site--and really nothing more. Joan

Yes, David. Joan In a message dated 4/29/2012 1:13:32 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, dsam52@sampubco.com writes: Joan, are you referring to "Don's List" ? David Samuelsen

I don't know how many of you admin locality lists but I've been hit over the past few days with hundreds of posts like this one: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/PENNSYLVANIA/2012-04/133521375 9 Some were caught in pending requests because he sent too many at one time and they were blocked. I responded by rejecting them and explained in my rejection notice that the posts were not specifically relevant to the topic of the lists he was trying to post on AND that he was cross-posting to too many lists...not only THAT but he encourages people to reply to him with questions, etc. ON the lists! The difficulty with complaining about his off-topic mass cross-posting AFTER he posts anyway after being told NOT TO, is that people DO find his site "useful" or "helpful" and those who don't grasp the problem with massive cross-posting and advertising on hundreds of lists get upset if/when the admin intervenes. He has caused a great deal of turmoil on my lists so far and he's branching out now to many other lists. This is just a "heads up" that this guy is going state by state, county by county, subbing to lists and posting identical messages/advertisements on every list he can find. Joan

Sandra, The original emails are being sent from 209-234-32-110.unassigned.ntelos.net, which is within your ISP's network address space. As Joan said, your email address is being spoofed, but your ISP's mail server thinks they are legit since they originate within telos.net, so it dutifully reports the failures. 209-234-32-110.unassigned.ntelos.net is either an actual spammer or a user with an infected PC (Zombie). In any case, you should forward an example of what you are getting to your ISP abuse-prevention email address (probably abuse(at)telos.net) so they can take steps to prevent this from happening again. Or call them. John On Apr 28, 2012, at 22:24, Sandra Ferguson wrote: > I have received over 400 of these and have included one and the full > header.....they have different names and none that I've checked is on my > list...but, I must admit I only checked a few. The whole thing is slowing > down my old pc and I am being inundated with these and I haven't the > slightest idea what it's all about. I ran a virus scan and called my server > who changed my password and activated my spam filter, but does this seem > like something I would get if I'd been hacked? Help! > Sandra < header snip > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mail Delivery Subsystem" <MAILER-DAEMON@mailrtr04.ntelos.net> > To: <ferg@ntelos.net> > Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 9:46 PM > Subject: Returned mail: see transcript for details > > >> The original message was received at Sat, 28 Apr 2012 21:46:08 -0400 >> from 209-234-32-110.unassigned.ntelos.net [209.234.32.110] >> >> ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- >> <dawn_sanborn@gmail.com> >> (reason: 550-5.1.1 The email account that you tried to reach does not >> exist. Please try) >> <dawn_tassone@gmail.com> >> (reason: 550-5.1.1 The email account that you tried to reach does not >> exist. Please try) >> <dawn_trujillo@gmail.com> >> (reason: 550-5.1.1 The email account that you tried to reach does not >> exist. Please try) < snip >

Possibly but it could also just mean a spammer spoofed your address in sending out spam and the bounces are coming to YOU. If it only happens this once I'd guess that is all there is to it. If it KEEPS on happening then I'd start to worry. Joan In a message dated 4/28/2012 11:31:17 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ferg@ntelos.net writes: I have received over 400 of these and have included one and the full header.....they have different names and none that I've checked is on my list...but, I must admit I only checked a few. The whole thing is slowing down my old pc and I am being inundated with these and I haven't the slightest idea what it's all about. I ran a virus scan and called my server who changed my password and activated my spam filter, but does this seem like something I would get if I'd been hacked? Help! Sandra

I have received over 400 of these and have included one and the full header.....they have different names and none that I've checked is on my list...but, I must admit I only checked a few. The whole thing is slowing down my old pc and I am being inundated with these and I haven't the slightest idea what it's all about. I ran a virus scan and called my server who changed my password and activated my spam filter, but does this seem like something I would get if I'd been hacked? Help! Sandra Return-Path: <> Received: from mailstore06.ntelos.net ([unix socket]) by mailstore06 (Cyrus v2.2.13-Debian-2.2.13-13ubuntu3) with LMTPA; Sun, 29 Apr 2012 01:46:32 +0000 X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 Received: from mailrtr04.ntelos.net (mailrtr04.ntelos.net [216.12.0.104]) by mailstore06.ntelos.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB12B1F4007 for <ferg@grampa.ntelos.net>; Sun, 29 Apr 2012 01:46:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost) by mailrtr04.ntelos.net (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1ubuntu1) id q3T1kWqp000579; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 21:46:32 -0400 Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 21:46:32 -0400 From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <MAILER-DAEMON@mailrtr04.ntelos.net> Message-Id: <201204290146.q3T1kWqp000579@mailrtr04.ntelos.net> To: <ferg@ntelos.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Returned mail: see transcript for details Auto-Submitted: auto-generated (failure) X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 9.0.930 [2410.1.1/4962] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=======AVGMAIL-10ED3506=======" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mail Delivery Subsystem" <MAILER-DAEMON@mailrtr04.ntelos.net> To: <ferg@ntelos.net> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 9:46 PM Subject: Returned mail: see transcript for details > The original message was received at Sat, 28 Apr 2012 21:46:08 -0400 > from 209-234-32-110.unassigned.ntelos.net [209.234.32.110] > > ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- > <dawn_sanborn@gmail.com> > (reason: 550-5.1.1 The email account that you tried to reach does not > exist. Please try) > <dawn_tassone@gmail.com> > (reason: 550-5.1.1 The email account that you tried to reach does not > exist. Please try) > <dawn_trujillo@gmail.com> > (reason: 550-5.1.1 The email account that you tried to reach does not > exist. Please try) > <dawn_tucci_n@gmail.com> > (reason: 550-5.1.1 The email account that you tried to reach does not > exist. Please try) > <dawn30501@gmail.com> > (reason: 550-5.1.1 The email account that you tried to reach does not > exist. Please try) > <dawn5502@gmail.com> > (reason: 550-5.1.1 The email account that you tried to reach does not > exist. Please try) > <dawn5542@gmail.com> > (reason: 550-5.1.1 The email account that you tried to reach does not > exist. Please try) > <dawn90_91@gmail.com> > (reason: 550-5.1.1 The email account that you tried to reach does not > exist. Please try) > <dawn98757@gmail.com> > (reason: 550-5.1.1 The email account that you tried to reach does not > exist. 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Joan, are you referring to "Don's List" ? David Samuelsen On 4/28/2012 10:59 PM, JYoung6180@aol.com wrote: > I don't know how many of you admin locality lists but I've been hit over > the past few days with hundreds of posts like this one: > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/PENNSYLVANIA/2012-04/133521375 > 9 > > Some were caught in pending requests because he sent too many at one time > and they were blocked. I responded by rejecting them and explained in my > rejection notice that the posts were not specifically relevant to the topic of > the lists he was trying to post on AND that he was cross-posting to too > many lists...not only THAT but he encourages people to reply to him with > questions, etc. ON the lists! > > The difficulty with complaining about his off-topic mass cross-posting > AFTER he posts anyway after being told NOT TO, is that people DO find his site > "useful" or "helpful" and those who don't grasp the problem with massive > cross-posting and advertising on hundreds of lists get upset if/when the > admin intervenes. He has caused a great deal of turmoil on my lists so far and > he's branching out now to many other lists. > > This is just a "heads up" that this guy is going state by state, county by > county, subbing to lists and posting identical messages/advertisements on > every list he can find. > > Joan > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LISTOWNERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

they're spam. I noticed many of them has "dawn" in the name. Have you checked cookies in your computer. Cookies can be magnet. Bad cookies need to be purged. David S. On 4/28/2012 9:24 PM, Sandra Ferguson wrote: > I have received over 400 of these and have included one and the full > header.....they have different names and none that I've checked is on my > list...but, I must admit I only checked a few. The whole thing is slowing > down my old pc and I am being inundated with these and I haven't the > slightest idea what it's all about. I ran a virus scan and called my server > who changed my password and activated my spam filter, but does this seem > like something I would get if I'd been hacked? Help! > Sandra

Project lists in this case are for organizations that have something to do with genealogy. I requested a mailing list for a personal project of mine years ago and was denied the list and advised to use the state/county list that was already available. It makes sense. Joan On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 9:29 PM, James R. Davis <james.davis1@sbcglobal.net>wrote: > Hi All, > I haven't commented here in a long time, but in looking at the > RootsWeb entry page for requesting a list I see I can request: > ) Surnames > ) Localities (Counties only) > ) Miscellaneous > They want you to input the requested list name and a description of it. > This looks very much like Message Boards that allow: > ) Surnames > ) Localities > ) Topics > > So please explain and differentiate the words Miscellaneous, Topics, > and Projects. Looking at Topics on Message boards there are tons. I'm > just > trying to figure out what a project is and why you can't get permission to > create a list for it. Is it that "project" implies something that "topics" > doesn't? Who cares? If someone wants to create a list to share ideas that > is somehow related to Genealogy why would someone else want to prevent > their > sharing? How about this project: Restoration of Old Stone Fort Historical > Museum and the expansion of research materials about the period 1840-1900 > including information about the people who lived there. What parts would > not be allowed? The funding and reconstruction of a building? What if > this > mentioned who were the movers in shakers of getting the funding or doing > the > construction work. RW or Ancestry would have no idea about the depth of > information or whether it will actually connect to genealogy until after > the > list goes into use. > If the above project list were allowed, and I don't understand why > not, then wouldn't it just be up to the facilitator to decide if posts were > or were not on topic? If I had the project and you wanted to list new > books > about Texas that have been acquired at a library in California, I'd say > this > request to list your books is off topic because it has nothing to do with > Old Stone Fort or the Nacogdoches area. However the poster would complain > that it does have to do with TX. That is why the facilitator of list gets > the big bucks and has to make these decisions. > > Am I missing something here? Why are projects not allowed but > Miscellaneous and Topics are allowed? > James R. Davis, Sacramento, Ca > e quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Project lists, I believe, are for organizations that have something to do with genealogy. I requested a mailing list for a personal project of mine years ago and was denied the list and advised to use the state/county list that was already available. It makes sense. On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 9:29 PM, James R. Davis <james.davis1@sbcglobal.net>wrote: > Hi All, > I haven't commented here in a long time, but in looking at the > RootsWeb entry page for requesting a list I see I can request: > ) Surnames > ) Localities (Counties only) > ) Miscellaneous > They want you to input the requested list name and a description of it. > This looks very much like Message Boards that allow: > ) Surnames > ) Localities > ) Topics > > So please explain and differentiate the words Miscellaneous, Topics, > and Projects. Looking at Topics on Message boards there are tons. I'm > just > trying to figure out what a project is and why you can't get permission to > create a list for it. Is it that "project" implies something that "topics" > doesn't? Who cares? If someone wants to create a list to share ideas that > is somehow related to Genealogy why would someone else want to prevent > their > sharing? How about this project: Restoration of Old Stone Fort Historical > Museum and the expansion of research materials about the period 1840-1900 > including information about the people who lived there. What parts would > not be allowed? The funding and reconstruction of a building? What if > this > mentioned who were the movers in shakers of getting the funding or doing > the > construction work. RW or Ancestry would have no idea about the depth of > information or whether it will actually connect to genealogy until after > the > list goes into use. > If the above project list were allowed, and I don't understand why > not, then wouldn't it just be up to the facilitator to decide if posts were > or were not on topic? If I had the project and you wanted to list new > books > about Texas that have been acquired at a library in California, I'd say > this > request to list your books is off topic because it has nothing to do with > Old Stone Fort or the Nacogdoches area. However the poster would complain > that it does have to do with TX. That is why the facilitator of list gets > the big bucks and has to make these decisions. > > Am I missing something here? Why are projects not allowed but > Miscellaneous and Topics are allowed? > James R. Davis, Sacramento, Ca > > -----Original Message----- > From: listowners-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:listowners-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of W David Samuelsen > Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 5:40 PM > To: listowners@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [LO] Projects owning lists? > > If the listadmin is found to prevent, restrict anyone from outside > listadmin's project, the list can be taken away, once the complaint is > filed > and investigated by RW. The policy has already established for years > governing the lists having NO variations of genweb in the mailing list > names. > > David Samuelsen > > On 4/25/2012 6:08 PM, Nan wrote: > > It could be a WorldGenWeb list. Is it listed under WorldGenWeb when > > you go to the browse mail lists page? > > > > If not, it could the the admin is connected to WorldGenWeb, has had > > the list forever, and just assumes the two go together. It has been > > known to happen. > > > > Nan > > > > On 4/25/2012 4:31 PM, Christina Hunt wrote: > >> This comment was posted by a list admin in response to a posting for > >> free data on a project website: > >> > >> >> This is a WorldGenWeb list. I don't mind postings letting folks > know what > >> >> new things you have on your site, but I do mind making > requests. > Especially > >> >> when you haven't contacted me and asked if Mind. > >> > >> My understanding was that lists are no longer given out to a > >> "project" but that a county list is a county list. The project idea > >> led to duplicate lists which is no longer done. > >> > >> I know the pages describing lists are old and still often say the > >> list is for such and such a project. At least this is so in Ireland. > >> > >> I would like to know the current Rootsweb standing on genealogy > >> projects owning lists. > >> Does any one know? > >> Thanks, > >> Christina > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> LISTOWNERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > LISTOWNERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LISTOWNERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LISTOWNERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I'm a member of WorldGenWeb and yes it does have a mailing list hosted by RootsWeb as do many of the GenWeb projects. I'm not sure which particular list you refer too. There has been little to no discussion on the WorldGenWeb list in the past couple of years, but I have not heard of RootsWeb denying any projects mailing lists. The WorldGenWeb list is only for those people who have something to do with WorldGenWeb just like this one is only for list admins For anyone wondering what GenWeb is: http://www.worldgenweb.org/ http://www.usgenweb.org/ Joan Asche On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 5:31 PM, Christina Hunt <chrisnina@gmail.com> wrote: > This comment was posted by a list admin in response to a posting for free > data > on a project website: > > >> This is a WorldGenWeb list. I don't mind postings letting folks know > what > >> new things you have on your site, but I do mind making requests. > Especially > >> when you haven't contacted me and asked if Mind. > > My understanding was that lists are no longer given out to a "project" but > that > a county list is a county list. The project idea led to duplicate lists > which > is no longer done. > > I know the pages describing lists are old and still often say the list is > for > such and such a project. At least this is so in Ireland. > > I would like to know the current Rootsweb standing on genealogy projects > owning > lists. > Does any one know? > Thanks, > Christina > > ------------------------------- > T >

Thank you for clarifying David. This is what I understood to be the case. I mispoke when I called it a Project list. It is just a plain County list. Appreciate the answer. Chris listowners-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > ORBaker is not adoptable by any project and not restricted. Must be open > to all projects. > > ORGenWeb is restricted to that project. > > RW policy - no more project county lists under any circumstances, too > much problems already as it was back then. -- Christina

David, Not necessarily true, David. I have been Admin of "RIGENWEB" for several years now, and when I adopted the list I contacted RW to get an official ruling on what the topic was before I went further. They said it was the Rhode Island list and had nothing to do with GenWeb, but just to make sure I also asked the Rhode Island SC and got the same answer, so despite the name it is the Rhode Island statewide list. There are more of them as well, such as Connecticut (called "GENCONNECTICUT" right across the border, among others. David E. Cann decann@infionline.net or on Skype at "david.e.cann" -----Original Message----- From: listowners-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:listowners-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of W David Samuelsen Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 8:26 PM To: listowners@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LO] Projects owning lists? if it says 'genweb' in the mailing list name, it belongs to the project on loan. if it does not say at all - it belongs to Rootsweb and subject to RW's maintenance and list rules. RW owns every one of the lists hosted by RW. Restrictions are not tolerated on non-genweb lists (eg bans against various groups and websites) just because a mailing list is hosted/maintained by a person belonging to a project. These rules have not changed in more than 10 years. David Samuelsen

David, Could you explain this a bit more? Specifically, what is a "project on loan"? Could you give an example of a "mailing list that is hosted/maintained by a person belonging to a project". If I read what you said correctly, a 'genweb' list can impose restrictions. Is this correct? And lastly, give an example of a 'genweb' list. It's a good thing there is no such thing as a stupid question! <BG> Carl Hommel -----Original Message----- From: W David Samuelsen Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 8:25 PM To: listowners@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LO] Projects owning lists? if it says 'genweb' in the mailing list name, it belongs to the project on loan. if it does not say at all - it belongs to Rootsweb and subject to RW's maintenance and list rules. RW owns every one of the lists hosted by RW. Restrictions are not tolerated on non-genweb lists (eg bans against various groups and websites) just because a mailing list is hosted/maintained by a person belonging to a project. These rules have not changed in more than 10 years. David Samuelsen On 4/25/2012 3:31 PM, Christina Hunt wrote: > This comment was posted by a list admin in response to a posting for free > data > on a project website: > > >> This is a WorldGenWeb list. I don't mind postings letting folks > know what > >> new things you have on your site, but I do mind making requests. > Especially > >> when you haven't contacted me and asked if Mind. > > My understanding was that lists are no longer given out to a "project" but > that > a county list is a county list. The project idea led to duplicate lists > which > is no longer done. > > I know the pages describing lists are old and still often say the list is > for > such and such a project. At least this is so in Ireland. > > I would like to know the current Rootsweb standing on genealogy projects > owning > lists. > Does any one know? > Thanks, > Christina > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LISTOWNERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LISTOWNERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Carl, explained in other message. David Samuelsen On 4/25/2012 7:02 PM, Carl Hommel wrote: > David, > > Could you explain this a bit more? Specifically, what is a "project on > loan"? Could you give an example of a > "mailing list that is hosted/maintained by a person belonging to a > project". > If I read what you said correctly, a 'genweb' list can impose > restrictions. Is this correct? > And lastly, give an example of a 'genweb' list. > It's a good thing there is no such thing as a stupid question! <BG> > Carl Hommel