Rootsweb-Help is one list. David S. On 7/30/2012 12:28 PM, Nelda Percival wrote: > > Joan, > Sorry about asking here... > > Is there a mailing list for help with the WWW sites...and where do you go for help with website.. > Nelda > > > > But, today well lived - makes every yesterday a dream of happiness, and every tomorrow a vision of hope. > My Genealogy: http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/index.htm > GeneticGenealogy: http://www.geneticsand.us Gilpin Worldwide Project: http://www.gilpingenetics.us > My Business: http://www.aircastles-internet-marketing.biz With lists to the blogs. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LISTOWNERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Bluehost is same as Hostmonster. There are major genealogy websites sitting at Hostmonster/Bluehost. Bluehost headquarters is in Provo, Utah. David S. On 7/30/2012 12:07 PM, David E. Cann wrote: > I'm a "listadmin up in Maine," but I don't think it was me. :-( I try to > be careful for obvious reasons at who I report it to. Anyway, the > particular incident I refer to is in the Dallas, TX area, but no idea how > extensive it is but is sure causing grief to at least one Admin that I am > aware of. > > > David E. Cann > decann@infionline.net

Could it be that the different list servers that RW has are actually run differently being upgraded (whatever that might mean) in different ways? -----Original Message----- From: listowners-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:listowners-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of David Reed Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 11:30 AM To: 'W David Samuelsen'; listowners@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LO] Spam-Cop and list mail The bizarre part for me is how many problems some List Admins seem to have. I've hardly ever had any issues at all, and the only "Maintenance" I have to do is to review the lists and approve those appropriate for the list, and remove those that aren't. I'm not sure why that is, but, I'll just be glad that MAINE, and my other lists, are so easy to Admin! :-) -David Reed List Administrator: MAINE, NEW-ENG-GEN, MELINCOL (Maine, Lincoln County), ME-IRISH, CEMETERIES-HISTORIC-PRESERVATION, MARIN --------------------------------------------- "Actually, there is only one 'first question' of government, and it is "How should we live?" or "What kind of people do we want our citizens to be?" - George F. Will (1941-), American political commentator P Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. -----Original Message----- From: listowners-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:listowners-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of W David Samuelsen Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 1:59 PM To: listowners@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LO] Spam-Cop and list mail Nothing new. Bluehost.com had 2 weeks of fits with Spamcop. This started because one certain listadmin up in Maine placed my ISP' IP address directly in spamcop. The result was a nightmare. David Samuelsen On 7/30/2012 11:43 AM, David E. Cann wrote: > FWIW, I've been working with a friend and fellow List Admin on trying > to figure out why she could not post mail to her own lists, but can > receive without difficulty. She finally discovered via her ISP that > their AV filters (Spam-Cop) have taken to rejecting legitimate posts > at least from certain IP addresses and/or domains. So, if you are > having a similar problem, you might want to check this in your own > area before spending time trouble-shooting. > > > David E. Cann > decann@infionline.net > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LISTOWNERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LISTOWNERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LISTOWNERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Nothing new. Bluehost.com had 2 weeks of fits with Spamcop. This started because one certain listadmin up in Maine placed my ISP' IP address directly in spamcop. The result was a nightmare. David Samuelsen On 7/30/2012 11:43 AM, David E. Cann wrote: > FWIW, I've been working with a friend and fellow List Admin on trying to > figure out why she could not post mail to her own lists, but can receive > without difficulty. She finally discovered via her ISP that their AV > filters (Spam-Cop) have taken to rejecting legitimate posts at least from > certain IP addresses and/or domains. So, if you are having a similar > problem, you might want to check this in your own area before spending time > trouble-shooting. > > > David E. Cann > decann@infionline.net > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LISTOWNERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

All lists I have were not adopted from another admin, every one is original to me, more than half of them since 1996, well before the migration from the Maiser crash. David S. On 7/30/2012 3:28 AM, JYoung6180@aol.com wrote: > No...HOLD is the default unless you adopted the list from another admin and > they had it set up for discard. > > Joan > > > In a message dated 7/30/2012 2:00:55 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > dsam52@sampubco.com writes: > > Is "Discard" default setting? > > >

No...HOLD is the default unless you adopted the list from another admin and they had it set up for discard. Joan In a message dated 7/30/2012 2:00:55 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, dsam52@sampubco.com writes: Is "Discard" default setting?

You WILL get the emails to the admin address but not anything from a non-subscriber address to the request address or list address. Joan In a message dated 7/30/2012 12:07:13 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, dsam52@sampubco.com writes: I checked and every list I admin is already set to "Discard" and I still get those annoying requests to -admin addresses David

David, This has NOTHING to do with mail going to -admin addresses; only with pending requests. As the original discussion has pointed out, there is at this point NOTHING we can do to keep from getting junk sent to the -admin addresses. That's unfortunate because, more and more often, I'm getting items that Norton/Symantec quarantines as viruses, trojans, and other forms of malware that are sent as attachments to messages addressed to the -admin addresses. You could of course set a rule/filter on your e-mail program to send any messages that come to your -admin addresses to a junk folder or trash, but that could potentially mean missing a few legitimate messages here and there. I know I've written legitimate messages to -admin addresses for lists I don't admin before; not often, but I have done it. -- Mary On 7/29/2012 11:55 PM, W David Samuelsen wrote: > I checked and every list I admin is already set to "Discard" > > and I still get those annoying requests to -admin addresses > > David > > On 7/29/2012 9:17 PM, Mary D. Taffet wrote: >> David, >> >> It's there, but not in an obvious place: >> >> Privacy Options > Accept List > Action to take for postings from >> non-members for which no explicit action is defined >> >> The choices are either "Hold" -- the default, and "Discard". When set >> to "Hold", we get pending requests for these items. When set to >> "Discard", we don't get pending requests for these items -- they just >> disappear in the ether. >> >> You just have to remember that this option doesn't play well with >> putting the gateway on the Ban list. >> >> -- Mary > >

Joan, Know what? I didn't set them to "Discard" in first place and I didn't reset them. I didn't even know they existed until you mentioned it. Is "Discard" default setting? David On 7/29/2012 10:20 PM, JYoung6180@aol.com wrote: > You WILL get the emails to the admin address but not anything from a > non-subscriber address to the request address or list address. > > Joan > > > In a message dated 7/30/2012 12:07:13 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > dsam52@sampubco.com writes: > > I checked and every list I admin is already set to "Discard" > > and I still get those annoying requests to -admin addresses > > David > > >

David, It's there, but not in an obvious place: Privacy Options > Accept List > Action to take for postings from non-members for which no explicit action is defined The choices are either "Hold" -- the default, and "Discard". When set to "Hold", we get pending requests for these items. When set to "Discard", we don't get pending requests for these items -- they just disappear in the ether. You just have to remember that this option doesn't play well with putting the gateway on the Ban list. -- Mary On 7/29/2012 10:48 PM, W David Samuelsen wrote: > Are you telling me this feature is in Mailman options? I couldn't find > such option. > > David S. > > On 7/29/2012 5:13 PM, JYoung6180@aol.com wrote: >> There IS a solution to the non-subscriber spam that comes to Pending >> Requests--change your settings to DISCARD non-subscriber emails. You won't get >> very many pending requests if you do that and you won't miss much legit mail >> either. >> >> Joan > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LISTOWNERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

I checked and every list I admin is already set to "Discard" and I still get those annoying requests to -admin addresses David On 7/29/2012 9:17 PM, Mary D. Taffet wrote: > David, > > It's there, but not in an obvious place: > > Privacy Options > Accept List > Action to take for postings from > non-members for which no explicit action is defined > > The choices are either "Hold" -- the default, and "Discard". When set > to "Hold", we get pending requests for these items. When set to > "Discard", we don't get pending requests for these items -- they just > disappear in the ether. > > You just have to remember that this option doesn't play well with > putting the gateway on the Ban list. > > -- Mary

Are you telling me this feature is in Mailman options? I couldn't find such option. David S. On 7/29/2012 5:13 PM, JYoung6180@aol.com wrote: > There IS a solution to the non-subscriber spam that comes to Pending > Requests--change your settings to DISCARD non-subscriber emails. You won't get > very many pending requests if you do that and you won't miss much legit mail > either. > > Joan

Well, I will serve my subscribers IF they contact me through proper channels. Subscribers wouldn't be writing to you via the request address and if they ARE indeed subscribers you would still get it...the only thing discarded is NON-subscriber emails and they are 99.44% (non-scientific <g>) spam. Joan In a message dated 7/29/2012 8:18:12 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, wyants@sasktel.net writes: Yes, Joan, this is a solution, but it isn't a very good one. I look at it as my being here to serve my subscribers. By setting all pending requests to "Discard", I'm potentially losing legitimate subscriber posts (because they were over-size, were administrative in nature, etc.), and I'm potentially missing posts from new folks who don't understand that they have to subscribe first, and so on. Sure setting "Discard" would be a fix to the problem, but it's not a very good fix. That's not why I'm a List Admin. PSW

Yes, if you moderate the gateway posts you cannot choose the DISCARD setting for your non-subscriber mail. I choose NOT to moderate the gateway. I can count on one hand the number of times spam came to my lists via the gateway and I get it removed very quickly from both lists and boards. Joan In a message dated 7/29/2012 7:55:32 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, chommel6@comcast.net writes: Joan, I moderate all the mail that comes to my Lists that come through the Gateways. Since all of them say they come from non-subscribers, my Lists would loose a lot. On the other hand, I (so far) have not been hit by Jacki. I get several a day that I have to discard, but it does not take long. But I would think that the Viagra adds and the "HI There" messages could be filtered out. Carl Hommel

Paul- If that is the case then this fits my original theory that Kelly WAS (at one time at least) subscribed to lists. Perhaps this is a case of a hijacked/hacked account then. Joan In a message dated 7/29/2012 7:29:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, pleblan@aim.com writes: I had ONE make it to a list. I caught it rightaway and Ger... finished removal from the Archive within 1/2 hour, so they may have it blocked. Paul

Joan, I moderate all the mail that comes to my Lists that come through the Gateways. Since all of them say they come from non-subscribers, my Lists would loose a lot. On the other hand, I (so far) have not been hit by Jacki. I get several a day that I have to discard, but it does not take long. But I would think that the Viagra adds and the "HI There" messages could be filtered out. Carl Hommel -----Original Message----- From: JYoung6180@aol.com Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 7:13 PM To: wyants@sasktel.net ; bjreece@bellsouth.net ; listowners-bounces@rootsweb.com Cc: listowners@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LO] Political and Religious hate mail coming to myadminaddresses... There IS a solution to the non-subscriber spam that comes to Pending Requests--change your settings to DISCARD non-subscriber emails. You won't get very many pending requests if you do that and you won't miss much legit mail either. Joan

I had ONE make it to a list. I caught it rightaway and Ger... finished removal from the Archive within 1/2 hour, so they may have it blocked. Paul

I agree wholeheartedly with Joyce ... this isn't rocket surgery ... repetitive S*P*A*M like this (coming through RW) is just so easy to stop - WHY isn't it being done??? I spend a quarter of an hour a day taking care of this stuff, time I could much better spend elsewhere ... PSW ------Original Message------ From: Joyce Gaston Reece Sender: listowners-bounces@rootsweb.com To: JYoung6180@aol.com Cc: listowners@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LO] Political and Religious hate mail coming to my adminaddresses... Sent: Jul 29, 2012 11:36 I've gotten a massive amount from admin and request addresses of this same email PLUS a bunch from 'Order" or "RE-order" which I haven't opened the first one of. Frankly Joan I'm getting really sick of the amounts of spam and crappy email we get just because we're list admins. I have seriously considered dropping every one of them just to stop some of it. Rootsweb REALLY needs to do something/anything toward controlling this better. Joyce Gaston Reece -----Original Message----- From: JYoung6180@aol.com Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 12:09 PM To: listowners@rootsweb.com Subject: [LO] Political and Religious hate mail coming to my adminaddresses... ...from a list subscriber to many of my lists. I don't know if any of the rest of you have received the blistering hate mail (both political and anti-Islam religious garbage) from a gal named "Kelly" who apparently subs to MANY RootsWeb lists and has the admin addresses (and my private email address) in her address book and then sends out a ton of these hate messages to everyone in her address book. I've written to her telling her to cease and desist from sending this crap or I'd unsub from the lists I admin and ban her from rejoining. I haven't as yet received a reply but since I'm getting this at a vast number of my admin addresses I have to assume that other admins are also getting it. I've notified listmaster in case he feels other action is needed -- my main reason for posting to listowners-L is that this mail had me puzzled at first as to who this "Kelly" was because the first onslaught of the hate mail came to my PRIVATE email address. It wasn't until this morning that the mail started also hitting many of my admin addresses that it dawned on me the connection was that she subbed to the lists. Joan ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LISTOWNERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LISTOWNERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network

There IS a solution to the non-subscriber spam that comes to Pending Requests--change your settings to DISCARD non-subscriber emails. You won't get very many pending requests if you do that and you won't miss much legit mail either. Joan In a message dated 7/29/2012 6:52:16 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, wyants@sasktel.net writes: I agree wholeheartedly with Joyce ... this isn't rocket surgery ... repetitive S*P*A*M like this (coming through RW) is just so easy to stop - WHY isn't it being done??? I spend a quarter of an hour a day taking care of this stuff, time I could much better spend elsewhere ... PSW

Yes, Joan, this is a solution, but it isn't a very good one. I look at it as my being here to serve my subscribers. By setting all pending requests to "Discard", I'm potentially losing legitimate subscriber posts (because they were over-size, were administrative in nature, etc.), and I'm potentially missing posts from new folks who don't understand that they have to subscribe first, and so on. Sure setting "Discard" would be a fix to the problem, but it's not a very good fix. That's not why I'm a List Admin. PSW ----- Original Message ----- From: JYoung6180@aol.com To: wyants@sasktel.net ; bjreece@bellsouth.net ; listowners-bounces@rootsweb.com Cc: listowners@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 5:13 PM Subject: Re: [LO] Political and Religious hate mail coming to my adminaddresses... There IS a solution to the non-subscriber spam that comes to Pending Requests--change your settings to DISCARD non-subscriber emails. You won't get very many pending requests if you do that and you won't miss much legit mail either. Joan In a message dated 7/29/2012 6:52:16 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, wyants@sasktel.net writes: I agree wholeheartedly with Joyce ... this isn't rocket surgery ... repetitive S*P*A*M like this (coming through RW) is just so easy to stop - WHY isn't it being done??? I spend a quarter of an hour a day taking care of this stuff, time I could much better spend elsewhere ... PSW