Joan, nope, it's quite different situtation. I was never unsubbed during that time. I was able to receive every post (already reviewed archives), just that outgoing side that was a problem temporarily. If there were any during that time, they were bounced right back as undeliverable. It was only one message and that prompted me to send a message direct to you, alerting to the problem and you had to get into your AOL spam folder to rescue my messages at least twice. the Question about Discard and Hold was well after the problem with outgoing was resolved. I didn't send any to listowners-admin the whole time. That is why I asked if Discard was the default after you mentioned it and I was criticized for asking this question despite the fact I never knew about this feature before and every one of 21 lists I have has that setting to "Discard" since I know I did not change that setting myself at all. David S. On 7/31/2012 8:30 AM, JYoung6180@aol.com wrote: > You have obviously rejoined the list (assuming you were ever unsubbed from > it--LO is wired differently than other lists) because you are able to post > to the list. If there was a time period where you were blocked from sending > mail to RootsWeb when your account was hijacked it is likely the admin > also never received any mail you sent to the admin address. > > Joan

Unfortunately, there seem to be some admins that don't answer email from subscribers. Frustrating. :-( Lynne -----Original Message----- >In a message dated 7/31/2012 10:17:05 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >pleblan@aim.com writes: > >It is now almost 45 DAYS. > >Please, please, answer your -admin mail or give up the lists

Good deal! -David Reed List Administrator: MAINE, NEW-ENG-GEN, MELINCOL (Maine, Lincoln County), ME-IRISH, CEMETERIES-HISTORIC-PRESERVATION, MARIN --------------------------------------------- "Actually, there is only one 'first question' of government, and it is "How should we live?" or "What kind of people do we want our citizens to be?" - George F. Will (1941-), American political commentator  Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. -----Original Message----- From: listowners-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:listowners-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Paul L LeBlanc Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 10:31 AM To: DaveReed@midmaine.com; listowners@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LO] ADMIN NOTE: Thanks David. I am working it with the help desk on them. My post was more to let people know why it is important to work pending and -admin messages. -----Original Message----- From: David Reed davereed@midmaine.com I'm not certain who your email is addressed to, but I'm certain that any List Administrator would be happy to help you, if they are able to. Which list are you directing your request to? -David Reed ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LISTOWNERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks David. I am working it with the help desk on them. My post was more to let people know why it is important to work pending and -admin messages. -----Original Message----- From: David Reed davereed@midmaine.com I'm not certain who your email is addressed to, but I'm certain that any List Administrator would be happy to help you, if they are able to. Which list are you directing your request to? -David Reed

You have obviously rejoined the list (assuming you were ever unsubbed from it--LO is wired differently than other lists) because you are able to post to the list. If there was a time period where you were blocked from sending mail to RootsWeb when your account was hijacked it is likely the admin also never received any mail you sent to the admin address. Joan In a message dated 7/31/2012 10:17:05 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, pleblan@aim.com writes: After I was hijacked, are you the list mom who has ignored three subscribe request to rejoin the lists? I also sent two or three -admin messages to you expaining what happen. It is now almost 45 DAYS. Please, please, answer your -admin mail or give up the lists

I am not sure there is anything you can do about these...the message that is bouncing is spam so there wouldn't be any action for you to take to unsub anyone. Joan In a message dated 7/31/2012 8:27:46 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, lainee@earthlink.net writes: I have been getting these for awhile...I cannot find a valid address in the headers nor anything that matches my member list. Can anyone else find a valid email addy to unsubscribe? Thanks! Lainee The attached message was received as a bounce, but either the bounce format was not recognized, or no member addresses could be extracted from it. This mailing list has been configured to send all unrecognized bounce messages to the list administrator(s). For more information see: http://lists2.rootsweb.ancestry.com/mailman/admin/mohenry/bounce --===============1399009038== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from mail3.rootsweb.com (mail3.rootsweb.com [192.168.26.64]) by lists2.rootsweb.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q6V2jwxA016390; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 20:45:58 -0600 Received: from mail.rootsweb.com (mail.rootsweb.com [192.168.26.52]) by mail3.rootsweb.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q6V2jwG6020853; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 20:45:58 -0600 Received: from dynamic.vdc.vn (dynamic.vdc.vn [113.190.86.253] (may be forged)) by mail.rootsweb.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q6V2jkfQ026258; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 20:45:57 -0600 Received: from (192.168.1.30) by williamsguitarcompany.com (113.190.86.253) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 8.0.685.24; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 10:45:56 +0800 Message-ID: <501737F0.502040@williamsguitarcompany.com> Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 10:45:56 +0800 From: "Abel Cordova" <sharking@williamsguitarcompany.com> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.9) Gecko/20100921 Thunderbird/3.1.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: <mogen-bounces@rootsweb.com>, <mogen-l-request@rootsweb.com>, <mogen-l@rootsweb.com>, <mogen-request@rootsweb.com>, <mogen@rootsweb.com>, <mohenry-bounces@rootsweb.com>, <mohenry-l-request@rootsweb.com>, <mohenry-l@rootsweb.com> Cc: <mohenry@rootsweb.com> Subject: Hi Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------06060600807050305010201" X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.68 on 192.168.26.64 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------06060600807050305010201 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Buy medications Here! --------------06060600807050305010201 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LISTOWNERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Paul, I'm not certain who your email is addressed to, but I'm certain that any List Administrator would be happy to help you, if they are able to. Which list are you directing your request to? -David Reed --------------------------------------------- "When you cannot make up your mind which of two evenly balanced courses of action you should take, choose the bolder." - William Joseph Slim  Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. -----Original Message----- From: listowners-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:listowners-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Paul L LeBlanc Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 10:01 AM To: listowners@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LO] ADMIN NOTE: After I was hijacked, are you the list mom who has ignored three subscribe request to rejoin the lists? I also sent two or three -admin messages to you expaining what happen. It is now almost 45 DAYS. Please, please, answer your -admin mail or give up the lists. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LISTOWNERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

After I was hijacked, are you the list mom who has ignored three subscribe request to rejoin the lists? I also sent two or three -admin messages to you expaining what happen. It is now almost 45 DAYS. Please, please, answer your -admin mail or give up the lists.

Thanks, Miss Joan! I will keep wearing out my delete key then! :) -----Original Message----- From: JYoung6180@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 9:28 AM To: lainee@earthlink.net ; listowners@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LO] Uncaught Bounce Notification I am not sure there is anything you can do about these...the message that is bouncing is spam so there wouldn't be any action for you to take to unsub anyone. Joan In a message dated 7/31/2012 8:27:46 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, lainee@earthlink.net writes: I have been getting these for awhile...I cannot find a valid address in the headers nor anything that matches my member list. Can anyone else find a valid email addy to unsubscribe? Thanks! Lainee

I have been getting these for awhile...I cannot find a valid address in the headers nor anything that matches my member list. Can anyone else find a valid email addy to unsubscribe? Thanks! Lainee The attached message was received as a bounce, but either the bounce format was not recognized, or no member addresses could be extracted from it. This mailing list has been configured to send all unrecognized bounce messages to the list administrator(s). For more information see: http://lists2.rootsweb.ancestry.com/mailman/admin/mohenry/bounce --===============1399009038== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from mail3.rootsweb.com (mail3.rootsweb.com [192.168.26.64]) by lists2.rootsweb.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q6V2jwxA016390; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 20:45:58 -0600 Received: from mail.rootsweb.com (mail.rootsweb.com [192.168.26.52]) by mail3.rootsweb.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q6V2jwG6020853; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 20:45:58 -0600 Received: from dynamic.vdc.vn (dynamic.vdc.vn [113.190.86.253] (may be forged)) by mail.rootsweb.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q6V2jkfQ026258; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 20:45:57 -0600 Received: from (192.168.1.30) by williamsguitarcompany.com (113.190.86.253) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 8.0.685.24; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 10:45:56 +0800 Message-ID: <501737F0.502040@williamsguitarcompany.com> Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 10:45:56 +0800 From: "Abel Cordova" <sharking@williamsguitarcompany.com> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.9) Gecko/20100921 Thunderbird/3.1.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: <mogen-bounces@rootsweb.com>, <mogen-l-request@rootsweb.com>, <mogen-l@rootsweb.com>, <mogen-request@rootsweb.com>, <mogen@rootsweb.com>, <mohenry-bounces@rootsweb.com>, <mohenry-l-request@rootsweb.com>, <mohenry-l@rootsweb.com> Cc: <mohenry@rootsweb.com> Subject: Hi Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------06060600807050305010201" X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.68 on 192.168.26.64 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------06060600807050305010201 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Buy medications Here! --------------06060600807050305010201 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Heck NO. She got it wrong! These are the following messages she did NOT bother to read. So what part of it she does NOT understand? === Begin messages === On 7/30/2012 11:19 AM, W David Samuelsen wrote (in reply to Joan):> All lists I have were not adopted from another admin, every one is original to me, more than half of them since 1996, well before the migration from the Maiser crash. David S. On 7/30/2012 12:00 AM, W David Samuelsen wrote:> Know what? I didn't set them to "Discard" in first place and I didn't reset them. I didn't even know they existed until you (meaning Joan) mentioned it. Is "Discard" default setting? David === end messages === On 7/31/2012 1:32 AM, Ian Marr wrote: > David, > > I think you have a basic misunderstanding, and what Pig says is accurate. > >>>>> I checked and every list I admin is already set to "Discard" >>>>> >>>>> and I still get those annoying requests to -admin addresses >>>>> > > The "Discard" option relates to pending mail. It has nothing to do with > "admin" mail. So, what you describe above is EXACTLY what you should be > expecting. > > Regards, > Ian MARR

Megan, you did NOT read the following message. David On 7/30/2012 8:22 PM, Megan Zurawicz wrote: > On 7/29/2012 23:55, W David Samuelsen wrote: >> >I checked and every list I admin is already set to "Discard" >> > >> >and I still get those annoying requests to -admin addresses >> > >> >David > Well, yes. There is NO option - nor should there be - to "discard all > mail to list admin." > > If that's what you want to do, then that's a pretty fair indication that > you've burned out and it's time to put them all up for adoption.

AMEN! It's like anything else in life; whatever the endeavor, there are going to be negative elements to deal with and we just have to be grateful for the positive elements that make it all worthwhile. Jim "Pops" Jackson -----Original Message----- From: listowners-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:listowners-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Megan Zurawicz Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 10:22 PM To: listowners@rootsweb.com Subject: [LO] ADMIN NOTE: On 7/29/2012 23:55, W David Samuelsen wrote: > I checked and every list I admin is already set to "Discard" > > and I still get those annoying requests to -admin addresses > > David Well, yes. There is NO option - nor should there be - to "discard all mail to list admin." If that's what you want to do, then that's a pretty fair indication that you've burned out and it's time to put them all up for adoption. There is a certain amount of administrivia....and a certain amount of the administrivia is crap, admittedly....to being a list admin. There's a reason admin mail isn't spamfiltered: because every once in a while there's legitimate mail from a legitimate subscriber, or wants-to-subscribe-er, that gets trapped in spam filters. And RootsWeb doesn't want to lose that correspondence. Nor should you, if you're truly adminning the list. If it's just too much to deal with, the solution is simple: put your list up for adoption. There is nothing keeping you from being just as active as ever on the list, doing just as much genealogy as ever on the list, even leading discussions on the list, without being the admin. If you choose to keep the list, then the correct response is to "cowboy up" (or "cowgirl up"), admit that a small percentage of the work is distasteful but that you still want the job anyway, kwitcherbitchin and admin the list. It is what it is - which is what it ALWAYS has been. Bitching about it just sours other peoples' moods without solving any problems on your end. So in the words of the immortal Yoda.... Do or do not. But whatever your choice, don't whine about it on this list. :) --pig, admin ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LISTOWNERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On 7/29/2012 23:55, W David Samuelsen wrote: > I checked and every list I admin is already set to "Discard" > > and I still get those annoying requests to -admin addresses > > David Well, yes. There is NO option - nor should there be - to "discard all mail to list admin." If that's what you want to do, then that's a pretty fair indication that you've burned out and it's time to put them all up for adoption. There is a certain amount of administrivia....and a certain amount of the administrivia is crap, admittedly....to being a list admin. There's a reason admin mail isn't spamfiltered: because every once in a while there's legitimate mail from a legitimate subscriber, or wants-to-subscribe-er, that gets trapped in spam filters. And RootsWeb doesn't want to lose that correspondence. Nor should you, if you're truly adminning the list. If it's just too much to deal with, the solution is simple: put your list up for adoption. There is nothing keeping you from being just as active as ever on the list, doing just as much genealogy as ever on the list, even leading discussions on the list, without being the admin. If you choose to keep the list, then the correct response is to "cowboy up" (or "cowgirl up"), admit that a small percentage of the work is distasteful but that you still want the job anyway, kwitcherbitchin and admin the list. It is what it is - which is what it ALWAYS has been. Bitching about it just sours other peoples' moods without solving any problems on your end. So in the words of the immortal Yoda.... Do or do not. But whatever your choice, don't whine about it on this list. :) --pig, admin

That is what ROOTSWEB-HELP@rootsweb.com is for. http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/RootsWeb_Support/RootsWeb-Hel p.html Joan In a message dated 7/30/2012 2:36:27 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, nelda_percival@hotmail.com writes: Joan, Sorry about asking here... Is there a mailing list for help with the WWW sites...and where do you go for help with website.. Nelda

The bizarre part for me is how many problems some List Admins seem to have. I've hardly ever had any issues at all, and the only "Maintenance" I have to do is to review the lists and approve those appropriate for the list, and remove those that aren't. I'm not sure why that is, but, I'll just be glad that MAINE, and my other lists, are so easy to Admin! :-) -David Reed List Administrator: MAINE, NEW-ENG-GEN, MELINCOL (Maine, Lincoln County), ME-IRISH, CEMETERIES-HISTORIC-PRESERVATION, MARIN --------------------------------------------- "Actually, there is only one 'first question' of government, and it is "How should we live?" or "What kind of people do we want our citizens to be?" - George F. Will (1941-), American political commentator  Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. -----Original Message----- From: listowners-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:listowners-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of W David Samuelsen Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 1:59 PM To: listowners@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LO] Spam-Cop and list mail Nothing new. Bluehost.com had 2 weeks of fits with Spamcop. This started because one certain listadmin up in Maine placed my ISP' IP address directly in spamcop. The result was a nightmare. David Samuelsen On 7/30/2012 11:43 AM, David E. Cann wrote: > FWIW, I've been working with a friend and fellow List Admin on trying > to figure out why she could not post mail to her own lists, but can > receive without difficulty. She finally discovered via her ISP that > their AV filters (Spam-Cop) have taken to rejecting legitimate posts > at least from certain IP addresses and/or domains. So, if you are > having a similar problem, you might want to check this in your own > area before spending time trouble-shooting. > > > David E. Cann > decann@infionline.net > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LISTOWNERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LISTOWNERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

And I am the MAINE List Admin, but it wasn't me either! :-) -David Reed List Administrator: MAINE, NEW-ENG-GEN, MELINCOL (Maine, Lincoln County), ME-IRISH, CEMETERIES-HISTORIC-PRESERVATION, MARIN --------------------------------------------- "Actually, there is only one 'first question' of government, and it is "How should we live?" or "What kind of people do we want our citizens to be?" - George F. Will (1941-), American political commentator  Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. -----Original Message----- From: listowners-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:listowners-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of David E. Cann Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 2:07 PM To: listowners@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LO] Spam-Cop and list mail I'm a "listadmin up in Maine," but I don't think it was me. :-( I try to be careful for obvious reasons at who I report it to. Anyway, the particular incident I refer to is in the Dallas, TX area, but no idea how extensive it is but is sure causing grief to at least one Admin that I am aware of. David E. Cann decann@infionline.net -----Original Message----- From: listowners-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:listowners-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of W David Samuelsen Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 1:59 PM To: listowners@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LO] Spam-Cop and list mail Nothing new. Bluehost.com had 2 weeks of fits with Spamcop. This started because one certain listadmin up in Maine placed my ISP' IP address directly in spamcop. The result was a nightmare. David Samuelsen On 7/30/2012 11:43 AM, David E. Cann wrote: > FWIW, I've been working with a friend and fellow List Admin on trying > to figure out why she could not post mail to her own lists, but can > receive without difficulty. She finally discovered via her ISP that > their AV filters (Spam-Cop) have taken to rejecting legitimate posts > at least from certain IP addresses and/or domains. So, if you are > having a similar problem, you might want to check this in your own > area before spending time trouble-shooting. > > > David E. Cann > decann@infionline.net ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LISTOWNERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I'm a "listadmin up in Maine," but I don't think it was me. :-( I try to be careful for obvious reasons at who I report it to. Anyway, the particular incident I refer to is in the Dallas, TX area, but no idea how extensive it is but is sure causing grief to at least one Admin that I am aware of. David E. Cann decann@infionline.net -----Original Message----- From: listowners-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:listowners-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of W David Samuelsen Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 1:59 PM To: listowners@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LO] Spam-Cop and list mail Nothing new. Bluehost.com had 2 weeks of fits with Spamcop. This started because one certain listadmin up in Maine placed my ISP' IP address directly in spamcop. The result was a nightmare. David Samuelsen On 7/30/2012 11:43 AM, David E. Cann wrote: > FWIW, I've been working with a friend and fellow List Admin on trying > to figure out why she could not post mail to her own lists, but can > receive without difficulty. She finally discovered via her ISP that > their AV filters (Spam-Cop) have taken to rejecting legitimate posts > at least from certain IP addresses and/or domains. So, if you are > having a similar problem, you might want to check this in your own > area before spending time trouble-shooting. > > > David E. Cann > decann@infionline.net

FWIW, I've been working with a friend and fellow List Admin on trying to figure out why she could not post mail to her own lists, but can receive without difficulty. She finally discovered via her ISP that their AV filters (Spam-Cop) have taken to rejecting legitimate posts at least from certain IP addresses and/or domains. So, if you are having a similar problem, you might want to check this in your own area before spending time trouble-shooting. David E. Cann decann@infionline.net

Joan, Sorry about asking here... Is there a mailing list for help with the WWW sites...and where do you go for help with website.. Nelda But, today well lived - makes every yesterday a dream of happiness, and every tomorrow a vision of hope. My Genealogy: http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/index.htm GeneticGenealogy: http://www.geneticsand.us Gilpin Worldwide Project: http://www.gilpingenetics.us My Business: http://www.aircastles-internet-marketing.biz With lists to the blogs. ~~~~~~~~~~~~