Sorry my email account was hijacked overnight. I have it back. -----Original Message----- From: Gene Phillips <gnphllps@comcast.net> To: listowners <listowners@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sun, Nov 18, 2012 7:19 am Subject: Re: [LO] (no subject) Here's some irony for you. Talking about getting spam from sbcglobal accounts, then we get one from Paul. Gene At 05:50 AM 11/18/2012, Paul L LeBlanc wrote: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LISTOWNERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Here's some irony for you. Talking about getting spam from sbcglobal accounts, then we get one from Paul. Gene At 05:50 AM 11/18/2012, Paul L LeBlanc wrote:

I'm pretty sure you've all been getting it, but in case anyone hasn't noticed, there is a spammer hitting all of the lists posting links to "msn...etc." It is one of the most annoying things to see, and I am seriously thinking of putting at least one of my lists on moderation because it has been hit several times by different addresses. These hackers are getting better at what they do, and people really need to keep on the alert about their email accounts if they don't want to be hacked. Deloris Williams

On my own lists plus the lists I subscribe to, I am seeing too many lists hits by hacked sbcglobal accounts in last few days. W. David Samuelsen

Allen, Thanks for the reply. Deep down I expected the answer you gave me, but I was hoping I was wrong. I've been a list admin for quite a few years now and am not aware of any way of shutting off what is yet another avenue for spam, but it is worth asking. I am so sick of the spam though, but it looks as if there is no means available of cutting this one pipeline off. Thank you again. David -----Original Message----- From: listowners-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:listowners-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Allen Dew Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2012 7:39 PM To: Listowners List Posting Subject: Re: [LO] Discarding "Uncaught Bounce Notification" notices, etc. That option appears to have been generated Out of the Mailman system used by Rootsweb. That option is included in the normally distributed version of Mailman under the Bounce Processing tab. At 07:25 PM 11/10/12, David E. Cann wrote: >Can anyone out there tell me if there is a way of NOT having replies (and >yes, the spam as well) that are sent to Mailman's "do not reply" mail sent >to me as List Admin, and simply discarded? I am not referring to the >garbage sent to the list by non-subscribers, I already have that set to be >discarded, but I am referring to the stuff sent to Mailman's address noted >above. A solid 95% or more of it is nothing more than a spammer who >harvested the unusable address, and currently I have to figure out what it >is and then delete it as it comes in one message at a time. Most commonly, >it will have a subject line of "Uncaught Bounce Notification." > >My memory is not what it used to be any more, but it seems to me that deep >in the bowels of our tools pages there was some rather obscure option to set >that would automatically delete ALL such mail, such as the similar one that >currently discards spam and other in our list moderation filters. I may be >wrong, but I have searched and searched my tools pages for an option that >would simply discard this stuff sent to Mailman as well, but now I cannot >find such a thing. If anyone out there can either tell me where to find it, >or else tell me with certainty there is no such an option to find, he/she >will keep me from "chasing my tail" looking for it any longer. I thank you >in advance. > > >David E. Cann >davidecann@gmail.com >or on Skype at "david.e.cann" ---------- Allen Dew

David- No, there is no way to automatically have uncaught bounces deleted ...you are getting them as admin because they represent bounces that Mailman doesn't know what to do with. Some ARE spam but they are spam that was sent out "from" the list address by spammers forging the address as the address the spam is coming from and the TO address is bouncing --- Mailman can't differentiate these bounces from normal actual list bounces where it can't find the bouncing address on the subscriber list to automatically process the bounces. I also get some bounces for "failed to deliver in the last so many hours will keep trying" type messages --- I just delete this notices of uncaught bounces unless it actually appears they are permanent bounces for a subscriber whose address MailMan can't decipher. Joan In a message dated 11/10/2012 7:28:37 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, davidecann@gmail.com writes: Can anyone out there tell me if there is a way of NOT having replies (and yes, the spam as well) that are sent to Mailman's "do not reply" mail sent to me as List Admin, and simply discarded? I am not referring to the garbage sent to the list by non-subscribers, I already have that set to be discarded, but I am referring to the stuff sent to Mailman's address noted above. A solid 95% or more of it is nothing more than a spammer who harvested the unusable address, and currently I have to figure out what it is and then delete it as it comes in one message at a time. Most commonly, it will have a subject line of "Uncaught Bounce Notification." My memory is not what it used to be any more, but it seems to me that deep in the bowels of our tools pages there was some rather obscure option to set that would automatically delete ALL such mail, such as the similar one that currently discards spam and other in our list moderation filters. I may be wrong, but I have searched and searched my tools pages for an option that would simply discard this stuff sent to Mailman as well, but now I cannot find such a thing. If anyone out there can either tell me where to find it, or else tell me with certainty there is no such an option to find, he/she will keep me from "chasing my tail" looking for it any longer. I thank you in advance. David E. Cann davidecann@gmail.com or on Skype at "david.e.cann"

That option appears to have been generated Out of the Mailman system used by Rootsweb. That option is included in the normally distributed version of Mailman under the Bounce Processing tab. At 07:25 PM 11/10/12, David E. Cann wrote: >Can anyone out there tell me if there is a way of NOT having replies (and >yes, the spam as well) that are sent to Mailman's "do not reply" mail sent >to me as List Admin, and simply discarded? I am not referring to the >garbage sent to the list by non-subscribers, I already have that set to be >discarded, but I am referring to the stuff sent to Mailman's address noted >above. A solid 95% or more of it is nothing more than a spammer who >harvested the unusable address, and currently I have to figure out what it >is and then delete it as it comes in one message at a time. Most commonly, >it will have a subject line of "Uncaught Bounce Notification." > >My memory is not what it used to be any more, but it seems to me that deep >in the bowels of our tools pages there was some rather obscure option to set >that would automatically delete ALL such mail, such as the similar one that >currently discards spam and other in our list moderation filters. I may be >wrong, but I have searched and searched my tools pages for an option that >would simply discard this stuff sent to Mailman as well, but now I cannot >find such a thing. If anyone out there can either tell me where to find it, >or else tell me with certainty there is no such an option to find, he/she >will keep me from "chasing my tail" looking for it any longer. I thank you >in advance. > > >David E. Cann >davidecann@gmail.com >or on Skype at "david.e.cann" ---------- Allen Dew

Can anyone out there tell me if there is a way of NOT having replies (and yes, the spam as well) that are sent to Mailman's "do not reply" mail sent to me as List Admin, and simply discarded? I am not referring to the garbage sent to the list by non-subscribers, I already have that set to be discarded, but I am referring to the stuff sent to Mailman's address noted above. A solid 95% or more of it is nothing more than a spammer who harvested the unusable address, and currently I have to figure out what it is and then delete it as it comes in one message at a time. Most commonly, it will have a subject line of "Uncaught Bounce Notification." My memory is not what it used to be any more, but it seems to me that deep in the bowels of our tools pages there was some rather obscure option to set that would automatically delete ALL such mail, such as the similar one that currently discards spam and other in our list moderation filters. I may be wrong, but I have searched and searched my tools pages for an option that would simply discard this stuff sent to Mailman as well, but now I cannot find such a thing. If anyone out there can either tell me where to find it, or else tell me with certainty there is no such an option to find, he/she will keep me from "chasing my tail" looking for it any longer. I thank you in advance. David E. Cann davidecann@gmail.com or on Skype at "david.e.cann"

Go to your admin page, under "General Options", select the 'yes' button for "Emergency moderation of all List traffic" This will place the entire list on moderation without having to 'tick' all the "boxes". As things settle down, if any member continues to cause problems, tick them individually for moderation. Then when things are pretty quiet, uncheck the "Emergency moderation of all List traffic" and that will clear the way for most members, but you will still have the trouble-makers on moderation. Depending what happens, you can then progressively take the individual off moderation. Regards, Ian MARR at 38° 24' 01.299" S by 142° 34' 11.9094" E; 11m above sea level This message can be considered to be in the public domain. The home of SW Victorian Cemetery indexes: http://home.vicnet.net.au/~marr/ Allansford Weather (10 min updates): http://home.vicnet.net.au/~marr/Weather/ Remember, to EVERY question in life, there is MORE than ONE correct answer. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol Sklinar" <carol@wakefieldfhs.org.uk> To: <Listowners@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 7:46 PM Subject: [LO] List in Moderation > Due to recent messages on one of my list I have decided for the first > time, in nearly 20 years as a list admin, to put the list in > moderation.............This worked well for the first few days. > > But now messages are getting through without moderation.........any > assistance please > > Carol > > -- > Carol Sklinar > > www.wakefieldfhs.org.uk > www.genealogyjunction.org.uk > www.whoareyou.org.uk > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LISTOWNERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks all, seems to have righted itself Cheers On 09/11/2012 11:06, Charani wrote: > Carol Sklinar wrote: >> Thanks, for your input. > > YW :)) > >> What have I done so far, well every list member is now on moderation >> - that was a fair bit of 'ticking'. > > Yes, it is a bit of a job, but it makes the overall list management a > lot easier. Just don't tick yourself though! :)) > > As posts come through and from past experience you know you can trust > them, take them off moderation. If you are unsure, or your gut tells > you to be careful, leave them on mod for the time being. > >> I will put the board associated with the list on moderation too BUT >> can't seem to find it on the Rootsweb boards or any hint of it in my >> account - suggestions? > > The board address you need is gc-gateway@rootsweb.com It's a generic > address which covers all message boards. By adding that to the ban > list but not setting the list to automatically discard, you'll be able > to let any such messages through. It means you'll have to deal with > any spam as well, but that's a small price to pay for restoring calm > to your list. If there isn't an associated board, then don't worry. > >> I am sorry but have not looked at the names of the people who have >> been posting, more the content - the name that you suggest I unsub is >> it to do with a chocolate factory ? > > That's the one. Ask Gerhard to remove the whole of that thread > because the initial post is repeated in all of them. You'll probably > get some screams from the offender but just tell him he was off topic > and offensive - then ignore any further messages from him. Don't > enter a debate with him. You are the boss and your word is final. > >> Sorry to be a pain > > You're not being a pain :)) When you're used to a smooth running > list, having one or two people suddenly sounding off - and being off > topic - it cam throw you. > -- Carol Sklinar www.wakefieldfhs.org.uk www.genealogyjunction.org.uk www.whoareyou.org.uk

JYoung6180@aol.com wrote: > It is not possible unless her tools page has a GLITCH that she has the list > moderated and posts are still getting through without being manually > approved in pending requests. If there is a glitch it needs to be reported to > listmaster. I did point this out in my original reply. Seems like there is only one way to do things and every other way is wrong! -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

Ian Marr wrote: > Go to your admin page, under "General Options", select the 'yes' button for > "Emergency moderation of all List traffic" > > This will place the entire list on moderation without having to 'tick' all > the "boxes". Carol had tried that but somehow messages were still getting through. It will also put Carol herself on moderation which is not helpful for an admin (IMO, of course). Emergency moderation also requires regular checking to see if anyone has posted. It's OK if the admin is around all the time, but not if they work (not all firms will allow their staff to use the company computers for private purposes) or are not around much during the day. From personal experience, it's a lot easier to put everyone, except the admin, individually on mod and gradually release members. It's moderated moderation rather than an all or nothing approach. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

Carol Sklinar wrote: > Thanks, for your input. YW :)) > What have I done so far, well every list member is now on moderation - > that was a fair bit of 'ticking'. Yes, it is a bit of a job, but it makes the overall list management a lot easier. Just don't tick yourself though! :)) As posts come through and from past experience you know you can trust them, take them off moderation. If you are unsure, or your gut tells you to be careful, leave them on mod for the time being. > I will put the board associated with the list on moderation too BUT > can't seem to find it on the Rootsweb boards or any hint of it in my > account - suggestions? The board address you need is gc-gateway@rootsweb.com It's a generic address which covers all message boards. By adding that to the ban list but not setting the list to automatically discard, you'll be able to let any such messages through. It means you'll have to deal with any spam as well, but that's a small price to pay for restoring calm to your list. If there isn't an associated board, then don't worry. > I am sorry but have not looked at the names of the people who have been > posting, more the content - the name that you suggest I unsub is it to > do with a chocolate factory ? That's the one. Ask Gerhard to remove the whole of that thread because the initial post is repeated in all of them. You'll probably get some screams from the offender but just tell him he was off topic and offensive - then ignore any further messages from him. Don't enter a debate with him. You are the boss and your word is final. > Sorry to be a pain You're not being a pain :)) When you're used to a smooth running list, having one or two people suddenly sounding off - and being off topic - it cam throw you. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

Thanks, for your input. What have I done so far, well every list member is now on moderation - that was a fair bit of 'ticking'. I will put the board associated with the list on moderation too BUT can't seem to find it on the Rootsweb boards or any hint of it in my account - suggestions? I am sorry but have not looked at the names of the people who have been posting, more the content - the name that you suggest I unsub is it to do with a chocolate factory ? Sorry to be a pain Carol On 09/11/2012 09:56, Charani wrote: > Carol Sklinar wrote: >> Due to recent messages on one of my list I have decided for the >> first time, in nearly 20 years as a list admin, to put the list in >> moderation.............This worked well for the first few days. >> >> But now messages are getting through without moderation.........any >> assistance please > > Are the messages from subscribed list members? If so, put just the > offending members on moderation. When a member tries to post, bounce > the message back with the standard list rejection message. If they > carry on, unsub them. You don't have to accept them if they want to > resub. If you do, put them straight onto moderation again. > > Are these messages in the archives? If they are and they getting > through to the list while it's still on moderation, then you (or your > admin assistant, if you have one) may be inadvertently accepting them. > It's easily done. Ask Gerhard, the listmaster, to remove the posts > and responses to them. Give him the URLs of all them. It makes it > easier to find them. > > If they are coming through via an associated message board, add the > gc-gateway@rootsweb.com address to the ban list but make sure you > don't have the list set to discard though. > > If the list in question is the Morley one, then I'd definitely unsub > and ban the one using a nickname that's probably breaching copyright > and put one other person on mod. > > -- Carol Sklinar www.wakefieldfhs.org.uk www.genealogyjunction.org.uk www.whoareyou.org.uk

Hi Carol "Emergency moderation of all list traffic" is really the way to go. Moderating every single subscriber is a waste of time. If you undo the moderation, subscriber by subscriber, how do you keep track of subscribers that should be on permanent moderation? You'll need to have a separate document or spreadsheet. Unsub and ban the Wonky subscriber. Subscribers that also posted inflammatory messages, like Roy, should probably be put on permanent moderation. I'm not sure Listmaster will remove the flames, but you can try. Generally only spam is removed at an administrator's request. Good luck! Lynne

Carol Sklinar wrote: > Due to recent messages on one of my list I have decided for the first > time, in nearly 20 years as a list admin, to put the list in > moderation.............This worked well for the first few days. > > But now messages are getting through without moderation.........any > assistance please Are the messages from subscribed list members? If so, put just the offending members on moderation. When a member tries to post, bounce the message back with the standard list rejection message. If they carry on, unsub them. You don't have to accept them if they want to resub. If you do, put them straight onto moderation again. Are these messages in the archives? If they are and they getting through to the list while it's still on moderation, then you (or your admin assistant, if you have one) may be inadvertently accepting them. It's easily done. Ask Gerhard, the listmaster, to remove the posts and responses to them. Give him the URLs of all them. It makes it easier to find them. If they are coming through via an associated message board, add the gc-gateway@rootsweb.com address to the ban list but make sure you don't have the list set to discard though. If the list in question is the Morley one, then I'd definitely unsub and ban the one using a nickname that's probably breaching copyright and put one other person on mod. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

It is not possible unless her tools page has a GLITCH that she has the list moderated and posts are still getting through without being manually approved in pending requests. If there is a glitch it needs to be reported to listmaster. Joan In a message dated 11/9/2012 7:25:34 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, charani.b@gmail.com writes: Ian Marr wrote: > Go to your admin page, under "General Options", select the 'yes' button for > "Emergency moderation of all List traffic" > > This will place the entire list on moderation without having to 'tick' all > the "boxes". Carol had tried that but somehow messages were still getting through. It will also put Carol herself on moderation which is not helpful for an admin (IMO, of course).

I would never suggest doing this because it is redundant...if a LIST is on moderated status individuals don't need to be moderated. The only way to moderate BOARD posts coming through the gateway (assuming the entire LIST is not being moderated--only individuals) is to put the gc-gateway address on the BAN list. If you do that be sure you have also clicked the option to HOLD posts from non-subscribers rather than DISCARD them or all board gateway posts will just be discarded. Joan In a message dated 11/9/2012 5:52:51 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, carol@wakefieldfhs.org.uk writes: Thanks, for your input. What have I done so far, well every list member is now on moderation - that was a fair bit of 'ticking'. I will put the board associated with the list on moderation too BUT can't seem to find it on the Rootsweb boards or any hint of it in my account - suggestions? I am sorry but have not looked at the names of the people who have been posting, more the content - the name that you suggest I unsub is it to do with a chocolate factory ? Sorry to be a pain Carol

Carol- If a list is checked off on your tools page to be in emergency moderation posts from ANYONE (including YOU) won't get through without landing on your tools page and being manually approved by YOU as admin. If you are finding messages in your list archives then your list is NOT under temporary moderation. If a LIST is on moderation you don't need to moderate individuals (unless you permanently want to moderate individuals who continually cause a problem). Remember that temporary moderation for almost every list should be just that...temporary until a problem dies down. If only a couple people are causing the problem it is better to moderate those individuals and not the entire list. Joan In a message dated 11/9/2012 4:12:05 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, carol@wakefieldfhs.org.uk writes: Due to recent messages on one of my list I have decided for the first time, in nearly 20 years as a list admin, to put the list in moderation.............This worked well for the first few days. But now messages are getting through without moderation.........any assistance please Carol -- Carol Sklinar www.wakefieldfhs.org.uk www.genealogyjunction.org.uk www.whoareyou.org.uk ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LISTOWNERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Due to recent messages on one of my list I have decided for the first time, in nearly 20 years as a list admin, to put the list in moderation.............This worked well for the first few days. But now messages are getting through without moderation.........any assistance please Carol -- Carol Sklinar www.wakefieldfhs.org.uk www.genealogyjunction.org.uk www.whoareyou.org.uk