Hi PIG... Good to hear from you. (I'm still very sick from the flue.) You know as well as I do that this happens every so often. I have always wondered why there isn't a section to addressed this type of posting on rootsweb. Maybe, even a letter that goes out to the societies/groups that might would / could organize such a get together... it might even cover reunion notifications. Tell the person HOW to address different mailing lists / boards; with the same basic information. That each communication needs to have information pertinent to that list in it. Then they could address the basic notification. The people who do this, do not want to upset anyone; they are excited and feel everyone will want to know about the event. Cumberland Gap: how many different states are involved, TN,KY, VA those states should have had individual messages then each county that was primarily effected by the 200,000 to 300,000 migrants passed through the gap on their way into Kentucky and the Ohio Valley before 1810. EVEN if the poster kept sent notices to what I'd call important to the project that is one heck of a LOT of lists. So how does one get a notice out to everyone? If a section on rootsweb addressed this we might not have this happen so often and when it first starts if the admin of the effected list could address the poster with a link showing how to properly do this type of mailing then it should eventually end. Now, to your statement. Efficiency.... it is no ones fault you are a member of fifty lists, so you get fifty different types of this message you know how to delete. That should not make you angry or upset... So the poster changes the subject line every 5 mailing lists.. and has some part of the message that is pertaint to that list, it is still the same basic notification. AND I would not want to post a notification of an event to a mailing list just for notifications.. not many would go read it...BUT if rootsweb had a place on the home page.. JUST THE WORDS - EVENT NOTIFICATIONS - (each state app.) that linked to a page that talked about the event, then the poster would not need to send to every list (except maybe to the list admin telling them about it asking them to note it to the list) . EVENT NOTIFICATIONS Cumberland Gap Washington Texas You know the Ancestry staff that would have to approve something like this... Nelda Nelda L. Percival – Helping with something I believe in: http://www.AWAbosnia.org ; http://inmemoryofvucko.org Please visit our online shop in aid of Bosnia's animals at http://awabosnia.org/shop > Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 18:32:48 -0500 > From: listpig@earthlink.net > To: > Subject: Re: [LO] Mass Postings on lists... > > On 2/14/2013 11:58, Nelda Percival wrote: > > > > So Sorry, I should have added in about mass postings. > > > > What is so wrong about being efficient? > > Nelda, if a genealogist is "efficient" enough to subscribe to every > county list that is of particular interest to them, and if their family > has been in this country a long time and has been fairly > mobile....taking my own tree as reasonably typical, they could easily be > on 50 or more county lists. > > That opens them up to getting *fifty* copies of "Genealogy gathering in > X county". > > That's not efficient by anybody's standards. > > Post it on the universal list - Roots-L. Then maybe the state list and > the counties within perhaps 50 miles of the town the gathering will be > held in. > > That's plenty. The folks who will be interested will hear about it. > The folks who have never been to that place, aren't going now, and whose > kinfolk were never from around there won't have to wade through dozens > of times of being told about it. > > Win-win. > > --pig > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LISTOWNERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks for the info. I've been a list owner over 20 years and I never heard of the universal list - Roots-L . I just subscribed. Jerry On Feb 14, 2013, at 6:32 PM, Megan Zurawicz <listpig@earthlink.net> wrote: > On 2/14/2013 11:58, Nelda Percival wrote: >> >> So Sorry, I should have added in about mass postings. >> >> What is so wrong about being efficient? > > Nelda, if a genealogist is "efficient" enough to subscribe to every > county list that is of particular interest to them, and if their family > has been in this country a long time and has been fairly > mobile....taking my own tree as reasonably typical, they could easily be > on 50 or more county lists. > > That opens them up to getting *fifty* copies of "Genealogy gathering in > X county". > > That's not efficient by anybody's standards. > > Post it on the universal list - Roots-L. Then maybe the state list and > the counties within perhaps 50 miles of the town the gathering will be > held in. > > That's plenty. The folks who will be interested will hear about it. > The folks who have never been to that place, aren't going now, and whose > kinfolk were never from around there won't have to wade through dozens > of times of being told about it. > > Win-win. > > --pig > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LISTOWNERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On 2/14/2013 11:58, Nelda Percival wrote: > > So Sorry, I should have added in about mass postings. > > What is so wrong about being efficient? Nelda, if a genealogist is "efficient" enough to subscribe to every county list that is of particular interest to them, and if their family has been in this country a long time and has been fairly mobile....taking my own tree as reasonably typical, they could easily be on 50 or more county lists. That opens them up to getting *fifty* copies of "Genealogy gathering in X county". That's not efficient by anybody's standards. Post it on the universal list - Roots-L. Then maybe the state list and the counties within perhaps 50 miles of the town the gathering will be held in. That's plenty. The folks who will be interested will hear about it. The folks who have never been to that place, aren't going now, and whose kinfolk were never from around there won't have to wade through dozens of times of being told about it. Win-win. --pig

Maybe I've just whipped my subscribers into shape over the years <g> or (God forbid) they are scared of me, but I find asking permission/getting permission ahead of time to be quite effective. I just had a gal request permission to post on one of my lists about a new blog she's started and the blog is SPECIFICALLY related to the subject matter of my list AND she's very knowledgeable so I trust her blog to be helpful for many list members...so I gladly gave permission and thanked her for asking. Joan In a message dated 2/14/2013 2:52:20 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, darrellm@sprynet.com writes: We agree completely on that part of it. I simply do not think that requiring advanced approval by the admin is effective in ANY situation. Therefore, as I see things, subscribers asking for permission just wastes my time. I tell my subscribers, "If the post is on topic, post it. If not, don't bother to ask; the answer will be 'no'." If a message is genuinely marginal, then by definition it will do no great harm -- I use those rare instances as teaching opportunities. Clearly, this is a matter of opinion. Other admins will do things differently. Darrell

On 2/14/2013 10:58 AM, Nelda Percival wrote: > > So Sorry, I should have added in about mass postings. > > What is so wrong about being efficient? Most of us are busy with family or jobs or??? So you give yourself a half hour to get what you consider relevant information about genealogy out to as many lists as possible. MASS MAILINGS if it isn't spam I see no problem with that either. [snip] Nelda: The problem is that specific lists were created so that people could be *selective* about the messages they receive. Most of the lists I admin relate to Vermont -- the main state list, a majority of the county lists, a cemetery list, a civil war list. The rest are New England surname lists. People subscribe to particular lists because they want to get messages that relate **SPECIFICALLY** to the list topic, not messages that *MIGHT* relate to the topic, indirectly. The argument that mass postings is "efficient" misses the point that it is also terribly *inconsiderate*. Someone who has subscribed to VTWINDSO and who has chosen not to subscribe to VERMONT should not have to read every post that is on topic for the state of Vermont generally. The same basic rule works for "genealogy in general"; only more so. In other words, to be on topic for VTWINDSO a message must relate to Windsor County, Vermont **AND** to genealogy. The connection to Windsor Co. must be explicit. Relating to one or the other, only, simply does not qualify. Otherwise conversations about DNA, or gen software, or the surname Smith, would be on topic for just about every list on RootsWeb. If we all took that approach, most of the lists would die a horrible ... and deserved ... death. Darrell

Nelda- Yes, I'd agree with what you wrote below...making individualized posts that are specifically relevant to a list would be quite helpful and possibly would avoid the problem entirely. Joan In a message dated 2/14/2013 1:50:41 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, nelda_percival@hotmail.com writes: Hi Joan, Thanks.. Now to make that post relevant to say a surname board or list... I'd have to do a census search find that surname in the census that covers the Gap and then talk about the name and the Gap jamboree?? Or lets say, I quote a book as stating such and such families traveled through the Gap some staying and settleing while others traveled on to (the area of the list/board I'm posting to. So basically the posting could not then be sent to more then one list at a time doing away with both the MASS mailing and the no relevance to the list it was mailed to. So the objection is the lazyness or lack of knowledge of the poster for not making each and every post (although, it holds similar information) have some relevance to the list / board it is sent/posted to.. Where had the poster contacted a list admin to ask the admin, about posting; the admin could have made suggestions as to how each post could be made relevant to each list. got ya! n.

On 2/14/2013 10:23 AM, JYoung6180@aol.com wrote: > Darrell- > Let me clarify: when I say with the admin's permission I am referring > ONLY to the few lists where this specific announcement would BE > considered on-topic -- not for hundreds of unrelated lists. It doesn't > have to be an all or nothing situation. > Joan Joan: We agree completely on that part of it. I simply do not think that requiring advanced approval by the admin is effective in ANY situation. Therefore, as I see things, subscribers asking for permission just wastes my time. I tell my subscribers, "If the post is on topic, post it. If not, don't bother to ask; the answer will be 'no'." If a message is genuinely marginal, then by definition it will do no great harm -- I use those rare instances as teaching opportunities. Clearly, this is a matter of opinion. Other admins will do things differently. Darrell

Nelda- Apparently staff thinks this is "spam" as they have been removing the posts from the archives of many lists where it has been posted. Think of the poor overworked search engine...if you search on Cumberland Gap and get 40,000 hits and all of them are the SAME message it is a bit TOO much and it makes it difficult to find any OTHER posts concerning this topic. As to the question about didn't many of us have ancestors who came through the Cumberland Gap...that would be turning ALL lists into catch-all lists for any and all topics because well, maybe it might just have something to do with the subject. I have a very nice and helpful poster on several of my Pennsylvania county lists who I keep on moderated status because his area of expertise is the Scotch-Irish and he doesn't see anything "wrong" or "off-topic" about posting tons of messages about Ireland with NOTHING mentioning the counties in PA. His argument is....well, many Scotch-Irish settlers settled in these counties. TRUE...but the posts are not about THEM -- the posts are exclusively about Northern Ireland. You can also imagine how I get posts on my USA General message board that don't belong there---that are about a surname (with no mention of location) or which state that the person lived in a specific state and/or county/town. Sure...technically the people involved may have lived in the USA but the posts are mostly much more relevant to a specific locality board or surname board. If we allow messages on our lists and boards that perhaps just maybe might be somehow related to our subject no matter where else they may have also posted the message (cross-posted/mass posted) we'd have people posting anywhere and everywhere...sheer chaos. Take care and fight that flu bug. Joan In a message dated 2/14/2013 12:08:13 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, nelda_percival@hotmail.com writes: So Sorry, I should have added in about mass postings. What is so wrong about being efficient? Most of us are busy with family or jobs or??? So you give yourself a half hour to get what you consider relevant information about genealogy out to as many lists as possible. MASS MAILINGS if it isn't spam I see no problem with that either. Personally, I think "WE" admins get way to into ourselves, Yes I know I just raised a hornet's nest... but is a mailing list there for YOUR convince or to put out as much data as possible on a specific part of genealogy. I have the flue so probably should comment on all this, but it is how I feel.. A mailing list does not belong to you, it is there for you to guide just like raising a child, you don't control it, you nurture it. Out of 10 people you would be lucky to find two unrelated individuals who have the exactly the same ideas and goals for a mailing list. End of my two cents I'm going back to bed to nurse this horrible headache and cough. Nelda Nelda L. Percival – Helping with something I believe in: http://www.AWAbosnia.org ; http://inmemoryofvucko.org Please visit our online shop in aid of Bosnia's animals at http://awabosnia.org/shop ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LISTOWNERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Joan, Isn't the listowners@rootsweb.com list just for the genealogy lists? Jerry On Feb 14, 2013, at 11:46 AM, JYoung6180@aol.com wrote: > Nelda- > > The point would strictly be VOLUME as for making this an annoying post that > has turned into nothing short of advertising. This is why I'd say it might > be appropriate for ROOTS-L and a few local area lists surrounding the area > where the conference is being held. It might be "on-topic" as far as being > a legit genealogy post but the sheer volume makes this an issue of > impropriety. > > Joan > > > In a message dated 2/14/2013 11:44:00 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > nelda_percival@hotmail.com writes: > > Guess, I'm hard-headed. > First I haven't seen any of these emails. > > BUT- I'm not understanding - > How can a email (as statted by you all talking about it) that is > advertizing a GENEALOGICAL JAMBOREE EVENT.. Not be on topic for a genealogical list? > > I'm sort of confused here, just because it is not focaused on a specific > surname, area, or time frame... it is a gathering of genealogists thus > relevant to any genealogical mailing list. > Why else are mailing lists created but to spread/ share/ disseminate data > on Genealogy... > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LISTOWNERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jerry- Not sure I understand your question? listowners-L is for admins of RootsWeb mailing lists to help and discuss list admin issues with each other. Joan In a message dated 2/14/2013 11:57:22 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, tobinger32@gmail.com writes: Joan, Isn't the listowners@rootsweb.com list just for the genealogy lists? Jerry On Feb 14, 2013, at 11:46 AM, JYoung6180@aol.com wrote: > Nelda- > > The point would strictly be VOLUME as for making this an annoying post that > has turned into nothing short of advertising. This is why I'd say it might > be appropriate for ROOTS-L and a few local area lists surrounding the area > where the conference is being held. It might be "on-topic" as far as being > a legit genealogy post but the sheer volume makes this an issue of > impropriety. > > Joan > > > In a message dated 2/14/2013 11:44:00 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > nelda_percival@hotmail.com writes: > > Guess, I'm hard-headed. > First I haven't seen any of these emails. > > BUT- I'm not understanding - > How can a email (as statted by you all talking about it) that is > advertizing a GENEALOGICAL JAMBOREE EVENT.. Not be on topic for a genealogical list? > > I'm sort of confused here, just because it is not focaused on a specific > surname, area, or time frame... it is a gathering of genealogists thus > relevant to any genealogical mailing list. > Why else are mailing lists created but to spread/ share/ disseminate data > on Genealogy... > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LISTOWNERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I usually stop at sibling parents. -----Original Message----- From: Nelda Percival <nelda_percival@hotmail.com> To: listowners <listowners@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thu, Feb 14, 2013 11:47 am Subject: Re: [LO] [ FREE Genealogy Jamboree Paul, Do you research "ALL" your relatives or just your direct ancestry. In just my Bonsteins (a American Rev. War Hessian) I have found over 2,000 individuals I share a genetic connection with... my relatives. Did any of them travel or stay in the GAP? at present I have no idea.. I'd have to look in my genealogy files. and my mind hurts to much to go there. No need to answer, I'm glad you have your relatives so well researched. Not all of us do. n.

Hi Joan, Thanks.. Now to make that post relevant to say a surname board or list... I'd have to do a census search find that surname in the census that covers the Gap and then talk about the name and the Gap jamboree?? Or lets say, I quote a book as stating such and such families traveled through the Gap some staying and settleing while others traveled on to (the area of the list/board I'm posting to. So basically the posting could not then be sent to more then one list at a time doing away with both the MASS mailing and the no relevance to the list it was mailed to. So the objection is the lazyness or lack of knowledge of the poster for not making each and every post (although, it holds similar information) have some relevance to the list / board it is sent/posted to.. Where had the poster contacted a list admin to ask the admin, about posting; the admin could have made suggestions as to how each post could be made relevant to each list. got ya! n. Nelda L. Percival – Helping with something I believe in: http://www.AWAbosnia.org ; http://inmemoryofvucko.org Please visit our online shop in aid of Bosnia's animals at http://awabosnia.org/shop From: JYoung6180@aol.com Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 13:08:38 -0500 Subject: Re: [LO] Mass Postings on lists... To: nelda_percival@hotmail.com; listowners@rootsweb.com Nelda- Apparently staff thinks this is "spam" as they have been removing the posts from the archives of many lists where it has been posted. Think of the poor overworked search engine...if you search on Cumberland Gap and get 40,000 hits and all of them are the SAME message it is a bit TOO much and it makes it difficult to find any OTHER posts concerning this topic. As to the question about didn't many of us have ancestors who came through the Cumberland Gap...that would be turning ALL lists into catch-all lists for any and all topics because well, maybe it might just have something to do with the subject. I have a very nice and helpful poster on several of my Pennsylvania county lists who I keep on moderated status because his area of expertise is the Scotch-Irish and he doesn't see anything "wrong" or "off-topic" about posting tons of messages about Ireland with NOTHING mentioning the counties in PA. His argument is....well, many Scotch-Irish settlers settled in these counties. TRUE...but the posts are not about THEM -- the posts are exclusively about Northern Ireland. You can also imagine how I get posts on my USA General message board that don't belong there---that are about a surname (with no mention of location) or which state that the person lived in a specific state and/or county/town. Sure...technically the people involved may have lived in the USA but the posts are mostly much more relevant to a specific locality board or surname board. If we allow messages on our lists and boards that perhaps just maybe might be somehow related to our subject no matter where else they may have also posted the message (cross-posted/mass posted) we'd have people posting anywhere and everywhere...sheer chaos. Take care and fight that flu bug. Joan

If someone sends you anything off list for any reason, please get their permission before posting to a list.

None Of mine came through the gap. >From France to Nova Scotia (Acadie) & Quebec. Direct from France & Spain. Some exiled from Nova Scotia that found their way (by ship) to Louisiana. Some came down the Mississippi. I go back more than 10 generations My people are the people of Longfellows Evangeline. 99.99 % of the Families & Locations on my lists did NOT use the gap. -----Original Message----- From: Nelda Percival <nelda_percival@hotmail.com> To: listowners <listowners@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thu, Feb 14, 2013 11:11 am Subject: Re: [LO] [ FREE Genealogy Jamboree Thank you Paul, for sending me a copy... But you don't think that in your ancestry somewhere you have relatives that came through Cunberland GAP? You know as you go backwards your ancestors double, by five generations you have 32 individual surnames and you can swear that none of those families came through the Gap? And as an Admin, you can swear that no one on your lists would consider submitting data and or going to this jamboree?? If I had money and the time sounds like an interesting event I'd like to attend. Now I really am going to bed to fight this flue.. nelda Nelda L. Percival – Helping with something I believe in: http://www.AWAbosnia.org ; http://inmemoryofvucko.org ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LISTOWNERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I'm not on any of the lists that have seen any of these messages, but I'm going to mention something that has more to do not with the administrator's point of view, but as a member of any group of those lists that are receiving the messages. Many people subscribe to multiple lists in their area, so if these messages are going out to 250 lists in a particular area, there is the potential of the same subscribers receiving those messages multiple times. I know that if I were a member receiving those messages, I would be pretty upset with the lists for that, and would be complaining like crazy. I think that there should be some common sense used in situations like this and there should be a limited amount of lists that should be subjected to it. Deloris Williams -------------------------------------------------- From: "Nelda Percival" <nelda_percival@hotmail.com> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 11:11 AM To: <listowners@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [LO] [ FREE Genealogy Jamboree > > Thank you Paul, for sending me a copy... > > But you don't think that in your ancestry somewhere you have relatives > that came through Cunberland GAP? > > You know as you go backwards your ancestors double, by five generations > you have 32 individual surnames and you can swear that none of those > families came through the Gap? > > And as an Admin, you can swear that no one on your lists would consider > submitting data and or going to this jamboree?? > > If I had money and the time sounds like an interesting event I'd like to > attend. > > Now I really am going to bed to fight this flue.. > nelda > > > > Nelda L. Percival – Helping with something I believe in: > > http://www.AWAbosnia.org ; http://inmemoryofvucko.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LISTOWNERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Nelda- The point would strictly be VOLUME as for making this an annoying post that has turned into nothing short of advertising. This is why I'd say it might be appropriate for ROOTS-L and a few local area lists surrounding the area where the conference is being held. It might be "on-topic" as far as being a legit genealogy post but the sheer volume makes this an issue of impropriety. Joan In a message dated 2/14/2013 11:44:00 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, nelda_percival@hotmail.com writes: Guess, I'm hard-headed. First I haven't seen any of these emails. BUT- I'm not understanding - How can a email (as statted by you all talking about it) that is advertizing a GENEALOGICAL JAMBOREE EVENT.. Not be on topic for a genealogical list? I'm sort of confused here, just because it is not focaused on a specific surname, area, or time frame... it is a gathering of genealogists thus relevant to any genealogical mailing list. Why else are mailing lists created but to spread/ share/ disseminate data on Genealogy...

Paul, Do you research "ALL" your relatives or just your direct ancestry. In just my Bonsteins (a American Rev. War Hessian) I have found over 2,000 individuals I share a genetic connection with... my relatives. Did any of them travel or stay in the GAP? at present I have no idea.. I'd have to look in my genealogy files. and my mind hurts to much to go there. No need to answer, I'm glad you have your relatives so well researched. Not all of us do. n. Nelda L. Percival – Helping with something I believe in: http://www.AWAbosnia.org ; http://inmemoryofvucko.org Please visit our online shop in aid of Bosnia's animals at http://awabosnia.org/shop To: listowners@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LO] [ FREE Genealogy Jamboree From: pleblan@aim.com Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 12:25:23 -0500 None Of mine came through the gap. >From France to Nova Scotia (Acadie) & Quebec. Direct from France & Spain. Some exiled from Nova Scotia that found their way (by ship) to Louisiana. Some came down the Mississippi. I go back more than 10 generations My people are the people of Longfellows Evangeline. 99.99 % of the Families & Locations on my lists did NOT use the gap. -----Original Message----- From: Nelda Percival <nelda_percival@hotmail.com> To: listowners <listowners@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thu, Feb 14, 2013 11:11 am Subject: Re: [LO] [ FREE Genealogy Jamboree Thank you Paul, for sending me a copy... But you don't think that in your ancestry somewhere you have relatives that came through Cunberland GAP? You know as you go backwards your ancestors double, by five generations you have 32 individual surnames and you can swear that none of those families came through the Gap? And as an Admin, you can swear that no one on your lists would consider submitting data and or going to this jamboree?? If I had money and the time sounds like an interesting event I'd like to attend. Now I really am going to bed to fight this flue.. nelda Nelda L. Percival – Helping with something I believe in: http://www.AWAbosnia.org ; http://inmemoryofvucko.org ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LISTOWNERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Darrell- Let me clarify: when I say with the admin's permission I am referring ONLY to the few lists where this specific announcement would BE considered on-topic -- not for hundreds of unrelated lists. It doesn't have to be an all or nothing situation. Joan In a message dated 2/14/2013 9:46:44 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, darrellm@sprynet.com writes: You had me nodding emphatically right up until "AND with permission of the admins of those lists." I disagree with that. A posted announcement is either within my list rules, including relevancy, and DOES NOT NEED my permission; or is not within my list rules, and CANNOT GET my permission.

Thank you Paul, for sending me a copy... But you don't think that in your ancestry somewhere you have relatives that came through Cunberland GAP? You know as you go backwards your ancestors double, by five generations you have 32 individual surnames and you can swear that none of those families came through the Gap? And as an Admin, you can swear that no one on your lists would consider submitting data and or going to this jamboree?? If I had money and the time sounds like an interesting event I'd like to attend. Now I really am going to bed to fight this flue.. nelda Nelda L. Percival – Helping with something I believe in: http://www.AWAbosnia.org ; http://inmemoryofvucko.org

So Sorry, I should have added in about mass postings. What is so wrong about being efficient? Most of us are busy with family or jobs or??? So you give yourself a half hour to get what you consider relevant information about genealogy out to as many lists as possible. MASS MAILINGS if it isn't spam I see no problem with that either. Personally, I think "WE" admins get way to into ourselves, Yes I know I just raised a hornet's nest... but is a mailing list there for YOUR convince or to put out as much data as possible on a specific part of genealogy. I have the flue so probably should comment on all this, but it is how I feel.. A mailing list does not belong to you, it is there for you to guide just like raising a child, you don't control it, you nurture it. Out of 10 people you would be lucky to find two unrelated individuals who have the exactly the same ideas and goals for a mailing list. End of my two cents I'm going back to bed to nurse this horrible headache and cough. Nelda Nelda L. Percival – Helping with something I believe in: http://www.AWAbosnia.org ; http://inmemoryofvucko.org Please visit our online shop in aid of Bosnia's animals at http://awabosnia.org/shop