Nivard, not everyone is comfortable buying or selling on auction sites, and it's nice to have another way to sell without having to pay any fees. I recently adopted the long dormant GEN-MAT-UKI list and hope that there will be some traffic on the list. There has already been a little bit of buying and selling, as well as the announcement of some freebies. Lynne Nivard Ovington <ovington1@sky.com> wrote: > >Quite so, the obvious reason for rootsweb to have them is to keep >commercial posts off the other lists > >But they were being suggested here as an avenue to sell books for those >interested, clearly they are of no use for that or at the very best are >limited for that > >Ebay is a better solution IMHO >

I suspect the concern is and was not so much about who would subscribe to these lists but rather RootsWeb providing an outlet for those who wish to post this type of notice --- and being told NO on the regular genealogy lists. Being found in a search of all list archives might be as fruitful for the commercial posters as having subscribers read the post via email on the list. Joan In a message dated 2/16/2013 11:03:01 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, ovington1@sky.com writes: Out of curiosity I just had a brief look at Gen-Books and Gen-Mat lists Although they have what appears to be a healthy volume of posts, a cursory inspection shows that they are all from three commercial businesses (the same three on both lists) So anyone subscribing to those lists will either need to have an interest in their offerings or would quickly unsub I wonder how many are subscribed to them (3 perhaps?) I think the theory is good but they simply don't work except as an avenue for businesses to advertise their wares Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 16/02/2013 15:13, Lynne wrote: > What about the Genealogical Materials mailing lists? You can buy or sell on these lists: > > ANZ-GEN-MAT > GEN-BOOKS > GEN-MAT > GEN-MAT-15 > GEN-MAT-HX > GEN-MAT-UKI > > > Lynne ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LISTOWNERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

"Probably somebody who lived in your county sometime had at least one ancestor from the place we're talking about." Totally agree. And if I'm looking for that "somebody", I will subscribe to the list in that County which I know or suspect he was from. That is the point of subscribing to a mailing list, you are looking for ancestors in a specific location. But if someone is having some sort of jamboree in some other county or location, if I was really interested, I'd hear about it, I don't want it plastered all over every single mailing lists that I'm subscribed to. Deloris Williams -------------------------------------------------- From: "Megan Zurawicz" <listpig@earthlink.net> Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 11:20 PM To: <listowners@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [LO] Getting the word out (was Re: Mass Postings ...) > On 2/15/2013 23:35, Darrell A. Martin wrote: >> David: The most important word in your message, in my opinion, is in >> the last paragraph: "relevant". On my lists, any message that makes an >> explicit connection to the list topic may be posted with no fuss and >> bother -- after *or* before posting. The message does not have to be

Maybe I'm just old and tired this year but -- it was easy enough to keep track of "all" the lists back when we had Roots-L and Alt-Gen. It got a bit tougher when we got the Soc.Gen hierarchy, but still, DO-able. Then the GenWeb layer. Then the explosion: I quit even pretending when it hit 1000. And /finding/ one from the RW Lists page? Oh, please! A year or two back (when I wasn't so stressed out and tired from it) I went looking for one of my own lists there, and after two days, I gave up. It was faster to drag an old computer out of the basement, hook it up to a monitor and search its HD to find the info I needed. I'm told there's a list on Yahoo that serves my specific neighborhood; no one I know is ON it, because they can't find it either. fooey. ;) Cheryl JLA wrote: > I've heard of it. ;--) > > I thought that part of an admin's duty was to recommend to confused > posters where it would be proper to post certain types of messages. > > I also thought that cross posting was a no-no? > > I took the time to look through all of what lists were available so I > was familiar with what was available even if I was not a subscriber? > > On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 8:53 PM, W David Samuelsen<dsam52@sampubco.com> wrote: >> Gen-Events? news to me! list admin of 20 and never heard of it and I >> have been around since the beginning of the lists. >> >> How many subscribe to that list- Bet you 99 percent do not subscribe to >> that unheard of list. >> >> I prefer such event be posted to many differrent relevant lists than >> locked to an obscure list many never heard of. >> >> David Samuelsen

What about the Genealogical Materials mailing lists? You can buy or sell on these lists: ANZ-GEN-MAT GEN-BOOKS GEN-MAT GEN-MAT-15 GEN-MAT-HX GEN-MAT-UKI Lynne Nelda Percival <nelda_percival@hotmail.com> wrote: >Sent: Feb 15, 2013 11:13 PM > > >Hi Jerry >The name is Nelda....not Nedia check out this link: >http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Newsgroup_Gateways/GEN-MARKET.html > >

Claire A wrote: > Why not just recommend that the poster (and societies) post to > Gen-Events, a RW list specifically for noting events, whether > conferences or reunions. All subscribed are interested in hearing > about events anywhere in the world. And I'm aware that the > Cumberland Gap event is pretty big, with people traveling long > distances to participate--I know someone who came from Europe last > year to exhibit. Maybe Gen-Events should be publicized more, so it > gets more subscribers (I have no idea how many are subscribed, > though I am myself), but the right forum for this kind of post DOES > already exist on RW.. As do a great many other lists that are relevant to particular subjects, such as the Roll Call and Strays lists, most of which, like Gen-Events, have never been heard of. The result is they are are virtually like our ancestors - dead. Gen-Events is a new one on me. How to publicise them? By doing the very thing this thread is all about - posting to dozens of lists that may or may not be appropriate. . This Jamboree that's getting some hot under the collar sounds interesting and I wish I could attend. I didn't know about it before, so thank you to the person who first raised it and to the person who posted the link to the Jamboree's site. It's now been bookmarked and set to alert me when there's an update to the site. I will allow general interest subjects on my list because they often can and do affect the members of the list. On the matter of receiving dozens sof copies of the same message, the use of filters solves that problem - as it does for threads that go on and on to the point of disappearing up their own exhaust! <G> -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

Staff had got us down to 4 messages which were probably the real posts about the subject. They have started a new round of a call for Pedigree charts and Descendant charts

On 2/16/2013 7:44 AM, Paul L LeBlanc wrote: > > Staff had got us down to 4 messages which were probably the real posts about the subject. > > They have started a new round of a call for Pedigree charts and Descendant charts Paul: If these are coming from the same addresses, then I would suggest that either (a) nobody has bothered to tell the perpetrators that they should not be doing this, or (b) that they ought to be globally unsubbed, at least temporarily. An admin that has been affected might want to bring this up to staff. Darrell

I've heard of it. ;--) I thought that part of an admin's duty was to recommend to confused posters where it would be proper to post certain types of messages. I also thought that cross posting was a no-no? I took the time to look through all of what lists were available so I was familiar with what was available even if I was not a subscriber? On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 8:53 PM, W David Samuelsen <dsam52@sampubco.com> wrote: > Gen-Events? news to me! list admin of 20 and never heard of it and I > have been around since the beginning of the lists. > > How many subscribe to that list- Bet you 99 percent do not subscribe to > that unheard of list. > > I prefer such event be posted to many differrent relevant lists than > locked to an obscure list many never heard of. > > David Samuelsen >

On 2/15/2013 23:35, Darrell A. Martin wrote: > David: The most important word in your message, in my opinion, is in > the last paragraph: "relevant". On my lists, any message that makes an > explicit connection to the list topic may be posted with no fuss and > bother -- after *or* before posting. The message does not have to be > dead centered on the list topic, but the connection has to be clear. > For example, an announcement about a French Canadian genealogical > conference, held in New Hampshire, would be on topic for the VERMONT > list. Most Vermont researchers know that the Quebec-Vermont border > might as well not exist, genealogically; and one can drive from any > place in Vermont to anywhere in New Hampshire in less than 250 miles. > But I would gently remonstrate with the poster if they sent it to the > VTORANGE list. The specificity of the latter demands a closer > connection be made. > Darrell And how much less relevance would a French Canadian genealogical conference have on a Nebraska county list? (But...but...surely some French Canadian drove through that county sometime. See? It's relevant! Um.....no. It ain't.) But to bring it back to the original discussion, that's about the caliber of relevance we've had with this announcement. And that's the core problem, I think, that the folks who think posting a conference to dozens or hundreds of county lists is just fine don't understand: in order to argue that it's relevant to all those lists, you're down to "Probably somebody who lived in your county sometime had at least one ancestor from the place we're talking about." Why is that a problem? Because once you accept that argument, *every* genealogical post about anything anywhere is "relevant" on any genealogical list you choose to mention. Looking for Grandpa Joe who was born in Tennessee and moved to California? Why not post in Minneapolis? Surely *somebody* from Tennessee moved to Minneapolis. Surely *somebody* from Minneapolis moved to California. *Maybe* they heard of each other. It *might* connect. At that point it makes more sense to close every list at RootsWeb but one, and go back to the days of "Roots-L is what you get." --pig

On 2/15/2013 11:35 PM, W David Samuelsen wrote: > Darrell, > > This I have to disagree. a lot of them moved down to New Hampshire, > Maine, Massachusetts and Rhode Island. I should know because they're my > sister's cousins enmasse. > > Where's the real line? > > David Samuelsen David: I am not sure what it is that you are disagreeing with. I think the line has to be drawn by the *admin*, as part of the task of communicating with the subscribers what is expected of them. If the admin has made it clear that French Canadian genealogy -- in general -- is on topic for a specific list (as I have done for VERMONT) then a post about a French Canadian gen conference would be on topic for that list; otherwise not. In my opinion, Maine, New Hampshire, and Vermont would be natural connections; the southern New England states maybe not so much. But the only state list I admin is VERMONT. I would not have a problem with the admin's decision, either way, for any other state. Even (say) Nebraska, where the French played a large role in the 18th Century.... Darrell

On 2/15/2013 7:53 PM, W David Samuelsen wrote: > Gen-Events? news to me! list admin of 20 and never heard of it and I > have been around since the beginning of the lists. > > How many subscribe to that list- Bet you 99 percent do not subscribe to > that unheard of list. > > I prefer such event be posted to many different relevant lists than > locked to an obscure list many never heard of. > > David Samuelsen David: The most important word in your message, in my opinion, is in the last paragraph: "relevant". On my lists, any message that makes an explicit connection to the list topic may be posted with no fuss and bother -- after *or* before posting. The message does not have to be dead centered on the list topic, but the connection has to be clear. For example, an announcement about a French Canadian genealogical conference, held in New Hampshire, would be on topic for the VERMONT list. Most Vermont researchers know that the Quebec-Vermont border might as well not exist, genealogically; and one can drive from any place in Vermont to anywhere in New Hampshire in less than 250 miles. But I would gently remonstrate with the poster if they sent it to the VTORANGE list. The specificity of the latter demands a closer connection be made. Darrell

Darrell, This I have to disagree. a lot of them moved down to New Hampshire, Maine, Massachusetts and Rhode Island. I should know because they're my sister's cousins enmasse. Where's the real line? David Samuelsen On 2/15/2013 9:35 PM, Darrell A. Martin wrote: > For example, an announcement about a French Canadian genealogical > conference, held in New Hampshire, would be on topic for the VERMONT > list. Most Vermont researchers know that the Quebec-Vermont border might > as well not exist, genealogically; and one can drive from any place in > Vermont to anywhere in New Hampshire in less than 250 miles. But I would > gently remonstrate with the poster if they sent it to the VTORANGE list. > The specificity of the latter demands a closer connection be made. > > Darrell

Hi Jerry The name is Nelda....not Nedia check out this link: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Newsgroup_Gateways/GEN-MARKET.html Nelda L. Percival – Helping with something I believe in: http://www.AWAbosnia.org ; http://inmemoryofvucko.org Please visit our online shop in aid of Bosnia's animals at http://awabosnia.org/shop > Subject: Re: [LO] Mass Postings on lists... > From: tobinger32@gmail.com > Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 21:38:26 -0500 > To: nelda_percival@hotmail.com > > Nedia, > > What is the list where you can ADVERTISE YOUR BOOKS...for sale? > I need to clean out my library of history books and almanacs that I collected for genealogy purposes over the years. I donated the ones that the local genealogy group needed but still have half a library filled. > > Jerry

On 2/15/2013 6:18 PM, Claire A wrote: > Why not just recommend that the poster (and societies) post to Gen-Events, a RW list specifically for noting events, whether conferences or reunions. All subscribed are interested in hearing about events anywhere in the world. And I'm aware that the Cumberland Gap event is pretty big, with people traveling long distances to participate--I know someone who came from Europe last year to exhibit. Maybe Gen-Events should be publicized more, so it gets more subscribers (I have no idea how many are subscribed, though I am myself), but the right forum for this kind of post DOES already exist on RW... > > Claire Claire: In fact, there are ... GEN-EVENTS general UT-GEN-EVENTS (read only) events in Utah ENG-GEN-EVENTS events in England AUS-GEN-EVENTS events in or about Australia CAN-GEN-EVENTS events in or about Canada ... which I found by doing a mailing list search for "gen-events". When I did a mailing list search for "events" the list of hits got a bit longer, but a number of the hits relate to list descriptions which include historical events. Here are two that demonstrate that many RootsWeb subscribers want to get *selected* information ... NYCMETRO (read only) gen events, etc., in the New York metro area CA-SACRAMENTO-EVENTS - the name says it all Darrell

David, I've been actively administering different lists since 1999. I've never heard of it.. I'd much rather see the words "Event Notice" like I wrote to Pig...This list's admin. Most people don't use half of what is available, but at least something on the HOME page might get seen and NOT OFFEND - List admins and STAFF. A person (Staff or volunteer) could be in charge of the listings, and how they are worded.. thus not mentioning cost or breaking rules... Did you know there is a list where you can ADVERTISE YOUR BOOKS...for sale, Rootsweb has about everything... feeling a little better taking meds nelda Nelda L. Percival – Helping with something I believe in: http://www.AWAbosnia.org ; http://inmemoryofvucko.org Please visit our online shop in aid of Bosnia's animals at http://awabosnia.org/shop > Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 18:53:25 -0700 > From: dsam52@sampubco.com > To: listowners@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [LO] Mass Postings on lists... > > Gen-Events? news to me! list admin of 20 and never heard of it and I > have been around since the beginning of the lists. > > How many subscribe to that list- Bet you 99 percent do not subscribe to > that unheard of list. > > I prefer such event be posted to many differrent relevant lists than > locked to an obscure list many never heard of. > > David Samuelsen > > On 2/15/2013 5:18 PM, Claire A wrote: > > Why not just recommend that the poster (and societies) post to Gen-Events, a RW list specifically for noting events, whether conferences or reunions. All subscribed are interested in hearing about events anywhere in the world. And I'm aware that the Cumberland Gap event is pretty big, with people traveling long distances to participate--I know someone who came from Europe last year to exhibit. Maybe Gen-Events should be publicized more, so it gets more subscribers (I have no idea how many are subscribed, though I am myself), but the right forum for this kind of post DOES already exist on RW... > > > > Claire > > > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 15, 2013, at 1:47 PM, Nelda Percival wrote: > > > >> ...I have always wondered why there isn't a section to addressed this type of posting on rootsweb. > >> > >> Maybe, even a letter that goes out to the societies/groups that might would / could organize such a get together... it might even cover reunion notifications. > > ... > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LISTOWNERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LISTOWNERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Why not just recommend that the poster (and societies) post to Gen-Events, a RW list specifically for noting events, whether conferences or reunions. All subscribed are interested in hearing about events anywhere in the world. And I'm aware that the Cumberland Gap event is pretty big, with people traveling long distances to participate--I know someone who came from Europe last year to exhibit. Maybe Gen-Events should be publicized more, so it gets more subscribers (I have no idea how many are subscribed, though I am myself), but the right forum for this kind of post DOES already exist on RW... Claire On Feb 15, 2013, at 1:47 PM, Nelda Percival wrote: > ...I have always wondered why there isn't a section to addressed this type of posting on rootsweb. > > Maybe, even a letter that goes out to the societies/groups that might would / could organize such a get together... it might even cover reunion notifications. ...

Gen-Events? news to me! list admin of 20 and never heard of it and I have been around since the beginning of the lists. How many subscribe to that list- Bet you 99 percent do not subscribe to that unheard of list. I prefer such event be posted to many differrent relevant lists than locked to an obscure list many never heard of. David Samuelsen On 2/15/2013 5:18 PM, Claire A wrote: > Why not just recommend that the poster (and societies) post to Gen-Events, a RW list specifically for noting events, whether conferences or reunions. All subscribed are interested in hearing about events anywhere in the world. And I'm aware that the Cumberland Gap event is pretty big, with people traveling long distances to participate--I know someone who came from Europe last year to exhibit. Maybe Gen-Events should be publicized more, so it gets more subscribers (I have no idea how many are subscribed, though I am myself), but the right forum for this kind of post DOES already exist on RW... > > Claire > > > > > > On Feb 15, 2013, at 1:47 PM, Nelda Percival wrote: > >> ...I have always wondered why there isn't a section to addressed this type of posting on rootsweb. >> >> Maybe, even a letter that goes out to the societies/groups that might would / could organize such a get together... it might even cover reunion notifications. > ... > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LISTOWNERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

On 2/15/2013 2:58 PM, Drew Smith wrote, in response to the question "How does one get the message out to everyone?": > You don't, at least not by using a genealogy mailing list. Genealogy > mailing lists are not the equivalent of the Emergency Broadcast > System. > > Drew Smith The voice of sanity is heard. Darrell

You don't, at least not by using a genealogy mailing list. Genealogy mailing lists are not the equivalent of the Emergency Broadcast System. Drew Smith On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 1:47 PM, Nelda Percival <nelda_percival@hotmail.com> wrote: > So how does one get a notice out to everyone?