As of February 20th there were still hackers getting into systems due to Java... http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=newssearch&cd=2&ved=0CDMQqQIoADAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.foxbusiness.com%2Ftechnology%2F2013%2F02%2F20%2Fjava-link-in-apple-facebook-and-twitter-hacks%2F&ei=QFsrUcCSH4Xc2AW32IFo&usg=AFQjCNFpP9h1CE48kVmhSe-Wev-9UgGI6Q&sig2=4k0xE_S058Q6-bSq_l3dNg Why would I want something that vulnerable on my machine? AND if I am not missing it WHY would I put it back on my machine and risk my job and everything? Lainee -----Original Message----- From: Janet Crawford Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 6:31 AM To: LISTOWNERS Subject: [LO] Java If you go to the Java site, you will see that it is in its 11th revision at the moment and I'm sure by now that they have closed that security breach. If you have downloaded the most current version, you are most likely just fine. Janet ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LISTOWNERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On 2/25/2013 6:28 AM, Nivard Ovington wrote: > Hi Darrell > > I have no Java > > I use OpenOffice and help works > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) Nivard: With Java uninstalled (not just disabled in the browser) Apache OpenOffice 3.4.1 would not run a "Search" in Help contents on my computer. Darrell

I uninstalled it a couple months or more ago when Homeland Security issued their warning and have never missed it. Lainee -----Original Message----- From: JLA Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 6:25 AM To: Darrell A. Martin Cc: Listowners@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LO] Java uninstall was a BAD idea You don't want to uninstall it you want to disable it for browsers. Makes a big difference. In Windows: Control Panel, Java, Security Tab, uncheck the box 'enable Java content in browser.' Joan On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 7:21 AM, Darrell A. Martin <darrellm@sprynet.com> wrote: > Greetings: > > I uninstalled Java and now OpenOffice Help does not work. This makes "no > Java" an absolute non-starter for me. Back on it goes. > > Darrell

Greetings: I uninstalled Java and now OpenOffice Help does not work. This makes "no Java" an absolute non-starter for me. Back on it goes. Darrell

Yes, the latest revision is suppose to close the problems they were having with it. And just to throw out some clarity: Java on the computer for running Open Office and local things is fine to do. Having it turned on in your web browser, unless you absolutely need it is unnecessary. Most companies/people are now programming their websites to avoid Java which is outdated and can be done with other means. Firefox is soon releasing a new version where you can turn it on and off for gaming. Most browsers come with Java turned off as the default anyway. It is just a few web sites that have not been updated that even need it.I have several programs, like Open Office that must have it. These companies are trying to re-write their codes to more modern methods and get rid of Java all together. Hope that helps. Jan - Oregon - also a many year computer tech dealing with desktop vulnerabilities On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 4:31 AM, Janet Crawford <reojan@gmail.com> wrote: > If you go to the Java site, you will see that it is in its 11th > revision at the moment and I'm sure by now that they have closed that > security breach. If you have downloaded the most current version, you > are most likely just fine. > > Janet > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LISTOWNERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Deloris Williams wrote: > Thanks Charani. > But perhaps I should have re-phrased my answer a bit. I know about the > reasons for Bounces, but I was questioning as to why there seemed to have > been so many all at once. The insight that Joan supplied pretty much > answered that for me, with the list having been inactive for a while seems > to have been the cause and effect, if you will, of the issue on at least one > of the lists. Ah, OK :)) I cheated a bit with a small list I took over. It had been quiet for some time so I wrote to each list member individually to see how many would bounce off. Eight did. Almost all were unknown addresses. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

Deloris Williams wrote: > Anyway, thanks for the insight about those other bounces, though, I would never have known that. When you get a bounce, you do get told why: unknown address, full inbox, or whatever. It's not always on the front page of the bounce message. If you click on the first of the two attachments, you get the reason. Some bounces are from members who've sent to the wrong address. Some are from spammers who don't realise it isn't a valid address per se. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

Thanks Charani. But perhaps I should have re-phrased my answer a bit. I know about the reasons for Bounces, but I was questioning as to why there seemed to have been so many all at once. The insight that Joan supplied pretty much answered that for me, with the list having been inactive for a while seems to have been the cause and effect, if you will, of the issue on at least one of the lists. Thanks, Deloris -------------------------------------------------- From: "Charani" <charani.b@gmail.com> Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 5:17 PM To: "Deloris Williams" <del_williams@comcast.net> Cc: <Listowners@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [LO] AOL & Mailing Lists > Deloris Williams wrote: >> Anyway, thanks for the insight about those other bounces, though, I would >> never have known that. > > When you get a bounce, you do get told why: unknown address, full inbox, > or whatever. It's not always on the front page of the bounce message. If > you click on the first of the two attachments, you get the reason. > > Some bounces are from members who've sent to the wrong address. Some are > from spammers who don't realise it isn't a valid address per se. > > -- > Charani (UK) > OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, > Greinton and Clutton, SOM > http://wsom-opc.org.uk >

Deloris- Whenever you get a bunch of unsubs all at the same time you will usually also get bounce notices with each one at the same time for the final bounce that resulted in the action to unsub. This is because of the way MailMan handles bounces...unlike our old SmartList software MailMan manages bounces on lists differently...all at the same time. SO...when 5 days (they don't have to be consecutive) are reached and the address has been bouncing for each of the 5 days (regardless of the number of bounces each day) the address is unsubbed. So if you have a list that was dormant for a time and suddenly discussion starts up again for a total period of 5 days---you often will get a bunch of bounces all at one time. This has nothing to do with anyone reporting list mail is spam. Joan In a message dated 2/24/2013 11:49:59 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, del_williams@comcast.net writes: I've been having that same issue this weekend with several different addresses, so I don't think it is just an AOL issue. I have noticed that I'm getting a lot of bounces on several of mailing lists, then the addresses are unsubbed. A few of the address owners questioned why they were unsubbed, and all I know is that their emails were bouncing. There was a broad spectrum of addresses so I don't know if something was going on between RW and a lot of servers, or if these people were just having email account issues. The ones that wanted to, I did tell them to re-sub, and so far, no problems. Deloris

Ohh, that must be it then. One of my lists has suddenly had a lot of activity because a new person is posting tons of info and he's getting lots of responses. Previously, there was maybe 1 or 2 messages a week for a few months on that list, and that was it. Another list that has been relatively active from time to time, had the same issue, though, but all along has also been getting a lot of spam, but luckily they were non-members and never got through since I discarded them. But I've noticed that several email accounts from that list are bouncing, and I don't know the reason. Anyway, thanks for the insight about those other bounces, though, I would never have known that. Deloris From: JYoung6180@aol.com Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 4:28 PM To: del_williams@comcast.net ; Listowners@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LO] AOL & Mailing Lists Deloris- Whenever you get a bunch of unsubs all at the same time you will usually also get bounce notices with each one at the same time for the final bounce that resulted in the action to unsub. This is because of the way MailMan handles bounces...unlike our old SmartList software MailMan manages bounces on lists differently...all at the same time. SO...when 5 days (they don't have to be consecutive) are reached and the address has been bouncing for each of the 5 days (regardless of the number of bounces each day) the address is unsubbed. So if you have a list that was dormant for a time and suddenly discussion starts up again for a total period of 5 days---you often will get a bunch of bounces all at one time. This has nothing to do with anyone reporting list mail is spam. Joan In a message dated 2/24/2013 11:49:59 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, del_williams@comcast.net writes: I've been having that same issue this weekend with several different addresses, so I don't think it is just an AOL issue. I have noticed that I'm getting a lot of bounces on several of mailing lists, then the addresses are unsubbed. A few of the address owners questioned why they were unsubbed, and all I know is that their emails were bouncing. There was a broad spectrum of addresses so I don't know if something was going on between RW and a lot of servers, or if these people were just having email account issues. The ones that wanted to, I did tell them to re-sub, and so far, no problems. Deloris

JLA wrote: > In the past week I have had two list subscribers (same list by the > way) who complained to being unsubed from the list without notice, or > choice. I'm not sure just what to tell them but I do know that when > it comes to AOL there is cause and effect. Just can't remember what > the cause is? > > Thanks to anyone who can clue me in on what the tell AOL users who get > booted off. It's usually because they've marked list mail as spam (IIRC) either inadvertently or deliberately without realising the consequences. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

Joan & Deloris, I don't know if this is a solution to the problem or not, but many ISPs today will have a list subscriber unsubbed if they report any list mail as spam. Based on my own experience, AOL is by far the most frequent one, but there are others including my own provider, EarthLink. It would not surprise me if this or something similar was the original cause of it, and in my experience the overwhelming majority of subscribers complaining to me about being unsubbed for no apparent reason are AOL subscribers. I simply tell them about this tool and suggest they resub themselves, and be more careful at what they report as spam to AOL. David E. Cann decann@infionline.net -----Original Message----- From: listowners-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:listowners-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Deloris Williams Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 11:46 AM To: Listowners List Subject: Re: [LO] AOL & Mailing Lists I've been having that same issue this weekend with several different addresses, so I don't think it is just an AOL issue. I have noticed that I'm getting a lot of bounces on several of mailing lists, then the addresses are unsubbed. A few of the address owners questioned why they were unsubbed, and all I know is that their emails were bouncing. There was a broad spectrum of addresses so I don't know if something was going on between RW and a lot of servers, or if these people were just having email account issues. The ones that wanted to, I did tell them to re-sub, and so far, no problems. Deloris -------------------------------------------------- From: "JLA" <jasche45133@gmail.com> Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 8:06 AM To: "Listowners List" <Listowners@rootsweb.com> Subject: [LO] AOL & Mailing Lists > In the past week I have had two list subscribers (same list by the > way) who complained to being unsubed from the list without notice, or > choice. I'm not sure just what to tell them but I do know that when > it comes to AOL there is cause and effect. Just can't remember what > the cause is? > > Thanks to anyone who can clue me in on what the tell AOL users who get > booted off. > > Joan Asche

AOL don't know how to read notice so they usually unsub, no questions or arguments. David Samuelsen On 2/24/2013 7:06 AM, JLA wrote: > In the past week I have had two list subscribers (same list by the > way) who complained to being unsubed from the list without notice, or > choice. I'm not sure just what to tell them but I do know that when > it comes to AOL there is cause and effect. Just can't remember what > the cause is? > > Thanks to anyone who can clue me in on what the tell AOL users who get > booted off. > > Joan Asche > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LISTOWNERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I've been having that same issue this weekend with several different addresses, so I don't think it is just an AOL issue. I have noticed that I'm getting a lot of bounces on several of mailing lists, then the addresses are unsubbed. A few of the address owners questioned why they were unsubbed, and all I know is that their emails were bouncing. There was a broad spectrum of addresses so I don't know if something was going on between RW and a lot of servers, or if these people were just having email account issues. The ones that wanted to, I did tell them to re-sub, and so far, no problems. Deloris -------------------------------------------------- From: "JLA" <jasche45133@gmail.com> Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 8:06 AM To: "Listowners List" <Listowners@rootsweb.com> Subject: [LO] AOL & Mailing Lists > In the past week I have had two list subscribers (same list by the > way) who complained to being unsubed from the list without notice, or > choice. I'm not sure just what to tell them but I do know that when > it comes to AOL there is cause and effect. Just can't remember what > the cause is? > > Thanks to anyone who can clue me in on what the tell AOL users who get > booted off. > > Joan Asche > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LISTOWNERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yes, Exactly, Charani...and what you tell them is just to resubscribe. There is no block on letting the person resubscribe. It is also important to tell the person NEVER to send a LIST message to the spam folder (even if it IS spam that slipped through on the list). Simply delete it from the inbox and be done with it. However, sometimes AOL marks one of the list messages as spam (sometimes correctly and other times incorrectly) and sends it directly to the spam folder. If that should happen the subscriber MUST click THIS IS NOT SPAM and move it to the inbox and either read or delete it there and NOT from the spam folder. Joan In a message dated 2/24/2013 9:34:00 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, charani.b@gmail.com writes: JLA wrote: > In the past week I have had two list subscribers (same list by the > way) who complained to being unsubed from the list without notice, or > choice. I'm not sure just what to tell them but I do know that when > it comes to AOL there is cause and effect. Just can't remember what > the cause is? > > Thanks to anyone who can clue me in on what the tell AOL users who get > booted off. It's usually because they've marked list mail as spam (IIRC) either inadvertently or deliberately without realising the consequences. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LISTOWNERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It usually happens to me when I cross my hands and mark a post as SPAM. Do it once & you are gone. -----Original Message----- From: JLA In the past week I have had two list subscribers (same list by the way) who complained to being unsubed from the list without notice, or choice. I'm not sure just what to tell them but I do know that when it comes to AOL there is cause and effect. Just can't remember what the cause is? Thanks to anyone who can clue me in on what the tell AOL users who get booted off. Joan Asche

In the past week I have had two list subscribers (same list by the way) who complained to being unsubed from the list without notice, or choice. I'm not sure just what to tell them but I do know that when it comes to AOL there is cause and effect. Just can't remember what the cause is? Thanks to anyone who can clue me in on what the tell AOL users who get booted off. Joan Asche

I completely uninstalled JAVA from my all my computers a month or maybe two or so back when I first heard about all the problems...have not had any issues anywhere with not having it. I do have to say that the work portal when I go to their website when I need tech support there is one spot (can't remember now) that will give the error message to the effect of there may be problems with doing certain things on this page because you do not have JAVA installed...but nope, no problems, it works just fine! :) Lainee -----Original Message----- From: JYoung6180@aol.com Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 9:07 PM To: jasche45133@gmail.com Cc: listowners@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LO] Another thought on claim of malware originating atRootsWeb list adm... Joan- I play a few Facebook games and I've not encountered ANY issues JAVA disabled. Joan In a message dated 2/23/2013 7:58:55 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, jasche45133@gmail.com writes: Disabling wouldn't work for gamers -- seems like you need it to play some online games. I've always had good luck with malwarebites it seems to do a good job of picking removing any infections when running a scan. I've never had any infections with box unchecked under Java. Joan

Joan- I play a few Facebook games and I've not encountered ANY issues JAVA disabled. Joan In a message dated 2/23/2013 7:58:55 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, jasche45133@gmail.com writes: Disabling wouldn't work for gamers -- seems like you need it to play some online games. I've always had good luck with malwarebites it seems to do a good job of picking removing any infections when running a scan. I've never had any infections with box unchecked under Java. Joan

Marilyn- I read the article at the link you posted and if you read it carefully you will note that the article states the vulnerabilities in JAVA 7 were there previous to that version...for YEARS in fact. It is just that this is now being brought to light and being exploited. You are not even safe if you run a Mac which is usually immune to "Windows" viruses and trojans and malware. Yes, some interactive games may still use JAVA but I haven't found any that currently use it. Most Web sites have replaced JAVA with newer safer code. Most games now employ Flash or HTML5---I haven't come across any that currently require JAVA be enabled in your Web browser. Older computer programs may use JAVA (that can be safely used ON your local computer--not Web-based). Turning JAVA off in your Web browsers doesn't disable it ON your computer where you can safely use it locally. Personally...I feel that if you choose not to disable JAVA in your Web browsers you do so at your own risk...and the Dept. of Homeland Security agrees with that assessment. Why not try disabling it and then visit your usual Web sites and play your usual online games...and SEE if you encounter any problems? You can always enable it again if you find you have issues accessing anything you NEED. Joan In a message dated 2/23/2013 8:24:41 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, unicorn1950@comcast.net writes: Just an F.Y.I. from a non-expert on this, so please don’t rake me over the coals. >From what I’ve been reading/hearing , the vulnerability lies in JAVA version 7. But if you run it at all, make sure you have all of the updates. Here’s one discusion site: http://krebsonsecurity.com/2013/01/what-you-need-to-know-about-the-java-expl oit/ Marilyn