George- You can always do what I did with all my lists a long time ago and change your tools page setting from "hold" to "discard" for non-subscriber addresses. Be careful though because if the list is gatewayed and you moderate the gateway posts this setting won't work. Otherwise it works fine. Joan In a message dated 4/10/2013 7:30:08 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, GermannaResearch@comcast.net writes: For many months, a List I manage (YEAGER) has been receiving spam. There are 2 or 3 posts every day and all of them advertising "ladies" in Russia. The address of the senders are gobbledy-gook and, or course, aren't real. How do I stop these postings? They don't get through to the List but I have to go to the List Admin page and delete them every day. I manage about 2 dozen Lists but the YEAGER List is the only one having this problem. Regards, George W. Durman

For many months, a List I manage (YEAGER) has been receiving spam. There are 2 or 3 posts every day and all of them advertising "ladies" in Russia. The address of the senders are gobbledy-gook and, or course, aren't real. How do I stop these postings? They don't get through to the List but I have to go to the List Admin page and delete them every day. I manage about 2 dozen Lists but the YEAGER List is the only one having this problem. Regards, George W. Durman Germanna Database at Ancestry: http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/28427876/family My Germanna Database at Rootsweb: http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=germanna My Germanna Website at Rootsweb: http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/index.html

Thanks for sharing your list's troubles with us, Mary. Must be a very frustrating situation. Hope your list gets fixed soon. Best wishes, Lynne Mary Richardson wrote: > I've just finished catching up on all the posts that followed the one > I sent about the SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE list > (http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/Listowners/2013-04/1365432964). > So far, the conversations have touched on what we analyzed last > January and February, so maybe it'll help if I share some more details: <snip>

Yes in the past I always have forced gmail to receive a copy of my own posts I also use Thunderbird so have the bcc or cc function which I find usefull Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 08/04/2013 17:48, Charani wrote: > Nivard Ovington wrote: > >> Using gmail you don't get a copy of your own posts by default, so any >> gmail user who posts and does not get a reply may think its just a case >> of no replies > > You can force Gmail to send a copy of your own messages. They do now > tell you how. An alternative is to either cc or bcc yourself. > > You can get Thunderbird to automatically add your address so you don't > have to remember. >

JYoung6180@aol.com wrote: > Oh, I think we'd know for SURE because a moribund list doesn't have anyone > TRYING to post messages to it...so no one would be asking or looking for > mail FROM the list on a regular basis. An active list is where it would be > noticed and where it would happen if/when it does. Sounds to me like a > problem with the distribution queue. Possibly the L mail is getting queued and > not distributed or there is some error within the distribution. The fact that > the posts are making it to the archives is the puzzle. We've had this before where messages are getting to the archives but not to the membership. People do post to moribund lists sometimes <G> > I think for lists where this would be an issue people know they sent list > messages but never received it ON the list or never received any > feedback...that would start them looking in archives and asking what happened like > with the other list already mentioned here. I'm inclined to agree with Nivard. There does seem to be a distribution problem. I've had people asking why mails haven't appeared even though they have and it isn't because they are using Gmail or a Gmail provided email service either. If people don't say anything, there's no way admins will know. Some subscribers may simply think they've had no replies. I had one who posted the same message twice in the space of a couple of days. There weren't any replies that I saw and the person in question unsubbed. I've no way of knowing whether there were any replies or not. Nobody's said anything. Not all subscribers realise posts are archived or that they can be checked. Some of that may be because they don't bother reading the Welcome mail> I'm also seeing a rise in bounces because a server has been blacklisted for spam. It's not Yahoo or Yahoo provided email services either in the wake of the hacking. Spam mails from their account holders is a continuing problem. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

Nivard Ovington wrote: > Using gmail you don't get a copy of your own posts by default, so any > gmail user who posts and does not get a reply may think its just a case > of no replies You can force Gmail to send a copy of your own messages. They do now tell you how. An alternative is to either cc or bcc yourself. You can get Thunderbird to automatically add your address so you don't have to remember. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

I think you are probably right regarding the prolific posters There are still many occasional posters that appear mystified by the whole process that I very much doubt they would Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 08/04/2013 17:35, JYoung6180@aol.com wrote: > Gmail seems to be the main one...and, yes, I thought about that while > drafting my previous reply but I still think on an active list a poster > would find it strange and ask about it if they didn't even get a > response to their posts. > Joan

A check against "Not me" on Rob's own list might be why he's not seeing them but that wouldn't account for other lists. I think it's something that needs taking up with AOL, TBH. Nivard Ovington wrote: > That sounds like a completely different problem -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

I certainly hope thats the case I do wonder how many post and don't follow it up Using gmail you don't get a copy of your own posts by default, so any gmail user who posts and does not get a reply may think its just a case of no replies I don't know if any other email clients do the same I will see how this develops and try a few archives but its hard to know sometimes what has and has not been received Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 08/04/2013 17:14, JYoung6180@aol.com wrote: > Oh, I think we'd know for SURE because a moribund list doesn't have > anyone TRYING to post messages to it...so no one would be asking or > looking for mail FROM the list on a regular basis. An active list is > where it would be noticed and where it would happen if/when it does. > Sounds to me like a problem with the distribution queue. Possibly the L > mail is getting queued and not distributed or there is some error within > the distribution. The fact that the posts are making it to the archives > is the puzzle. > I think for lists where this would be an issue people know they sent > list messages but never received it ON the list or never received any > feedback...that would start them looking in archives and asking what > happened like with the other list already mentioned here. > Joan

I've just finished catching up on all the posts that followed the one I sent about the SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE list (http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/Listowners/2013-04/1365432964). So far, the conversations have touched on what we analyzed last January and February, so maybe it'll help if I share some more details: * We three admins detected the problem fairly quickly when the digests that we received included posts that never came to us in list mode. You have to pay close attention to your list posts to compare them with the digests. We weren't overly diligent about this, so it took a couple of digests and some head-scratching to determine that something was amiss. Then we had to read back through the archives to figure out when we stopped receiving posts. * Around the same time, several of our listers contacted us about missing posts. We worked with them as well as some others whom we sought out. This included having them do what we did -- review the archives and tell us which message was the first one they couldn't remember seeing. At first we thought some ISPs were blocking Rootsweb, but we could find no evidence of that. Our listers were receiving posts from other lists, and no relevant Rootsweb IP addresses were blacklisted (http://whatismyipaddress.com/blacklist-check). * My two asst. admins both use gmail, so we're well aware of how Google deletes a person's post when it comes back to him via the list. They use a work-around to verify that their posts are going through. * Each of us admins has backup addresses with different ISPs than what we use for our primary addresses. I subbed our backup addresses, but they've yet to receive posts in list mode. * Gerhard subbed himself in list mode and had me post two test messages. My first message was optioned to support HTML, so he had me repost in plain text. He never received either message. * Gerhard did some analysis to see if a known HTML filter problem might be implicated. It wasn't, so that's when he referred our problem to the engineers. When I wrote that I switched all our list mode subscribers to digest mode, I neglected to note that I left the primary and backup addresses for me and my two assistants in list mode. That way, we'll know when it starts working again. Mary At 10:56 AM 4/8/2013, Mary Richardson wrote: >Ian, you're not alone. List mode for the SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE list has >been broken since mid-January....

No certainly not all lists but how do we know how many? Impossible to say isn't it Many lists have been apparently dormant for some time but perhaps there have been posts that have not got to the subscribers Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 08/04/2013 16:36, JYoung6180@aol.com wrote: > It certainly isn't a problem with ALL lists or even MANY lists...I think > it is a somewhat isolated issue involving only one or a few lists. I > guess from what was posted earlier in this thread you wouldn't know from > checking archives anyway...the posts DO appear there apparently, just > the queued L mail doesn't get sent? > Joan

That sounds like a completely different problem Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 08/04/2013 16:34, famh1story@aol.com wrote: > My own messages are not reaching any list including my own > > Rob

Could this be the reason that so many lists are seemingly quiet or inactive? I could not check all the various list archives that I am on Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 08/04/2013 15:56, Mary Richardson wrote: > Ian, you're not alone. List mode for the SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE list has > been broken since mid-January. It took my two assistant admins and > me a week or two to detect the problem and analyze it. Then it took > repeated alerts to the Help Desk before we finally heard from Gerhard > on 15 February. It took another six days for Gerhard to conclude > that our entire list was affected, that it was the only one he knew

Charani- Oh I agree that for SOME lists there is a distribution problem and I also agree that some users/posters wouldn't notice if they got no replies and/or didn't see their post come through the list...but I also have found even MORE cases where someone mentions not receiving list mail and 50 others suddenly jump on the "me too" bandwagon when I then proceed to prove it isn't happening for them...only the original poster who mentioned it (and that the problem is on the receiving end). It is kind of a list equivalent to medical school syndrome. <g> Joan In a message dated 4/8/2013 12:52:42 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, charani.b@gmail.com writes: I'm inclined to agree with Nivard. There does seem to be a distribution problem. I've had people asking why mails haven't appeared even though they have and it isn't because they are using Gmail or a Gmail provided email service either.

Gmail seems to be the main one...and, yes, I thought about that while drafting my previous reply but I still think on an active list a poster would find it strange and ask about it if they didn't even get a response to their posts. Joan In a message dated 4/8/2013 12:29:44 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ovington.one@gmail.com writes: I certainly hope thats the case I do wonder how many post and don't follow it up Using gmail you don't get a copy of your own posts by default, so any gmail user who posts and does not get a reply may think its just a case of no replies I don't know if any other email clients do the same I will see how this develops and try a few archives but its hard to know sometimes what has and has not been received Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

Oh, I think we'd know for SURE because a moribund list doesn't have anyone TRYING to post messages to it...so no one would be asking or looking for mail FROM the list on a regular basis. An active list is where it would be noticed and where it would happen if/when it does. Sounds to me like a problem with the distribution queue. Possibly the L mail is getting queued and not distributed or there is some error within the distribution. The fact that the posts are making it to the archives is the puzzle. I think for lists where this would be an issue people know they sent list messages but never received it ON the list or never received any feedback...that would start them looking in archives and asking what happened like with the other list already mentioned here. Joan In a message dated 4/8/2013 11:49:47 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ovington.one@gmail.com writes: No certainly not all lists but how do we know how many? Impossible to say isn't it Many lists have been apparently dormant for some time but perhaps there have been posts that have not got to the subscribers Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

It certainly isn't a problem with ALL lists or even MANY lists...I think it is a somewhat isolated issue involving only one or a few lists. I guess from what was posted earlier in this thread you wouldn't know from checking archives anyway...the posts DO appear there apparently, just the queued L mail doesn't get sent? Joan In a message dated 4/8/2013 11:33:14 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ovington.one@gmail.com writes: Could this be the reason that so many lists are seemingly quiet or inactive? I could not check all the various list archives that I am on Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

Ian, you're not alone. List mode for the SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE list has been broken since mid-January. It took my two assistant admins and me a week or two to detect the problem and analyze it. Then it took repeated alerts to the Help Desk before we finally heard from Gerhard on 15 February. It took another six days for Gerhard to conclude that our entire list was affected, that it was the only one he knew of, and that he needed to turn our problem over to the Rootsweb engineers. Forty-seven days later, our list mode is still broken, and we've been left totally in the dark. When I pressed Gerhard a month ago to at least give me a progress report, all I got was "I'm sorry about the continuing problem with the List mode of your SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE mailing list. I feel some of that frustration too. Please be patient while we work through the problem." We've heard nothing since. After our problem had persisted for three weeks and with no help in sight from Rootsweb, we were so crippled that I switched all my list mode subscribers to digest mode on 11 February. To switch them back properly after our problem is fixed, I have to keep careful records of who the list mode subscribers were and of every subscription change that has occurred since 11 Feb. When I switched everyone to digest mode, I changed the frequency of the digests to force them out daily. Nonetheless, digest mode alone is no way to properly run a list. Having everyone subbed that way interferes with coherent list correspondence, and our archives have become quite messy. Furthermore, Gerhard knows about our digest mode work-around, so we've been concerned that it has taken pressure off Rootsweb to fix us. As you can imagine, our patience has worn thinner than thin. We've investigated other ways to contact Rootsweb, but Gerhard remains our only option. We are preparing to contact him yet again, so it's very helpful to know at last that our list is not alone. Please, everyone, check your archives to make sure you're receiving every post in list mode. Also, if you haven't already done so, you should sub your admin address in digest mode to give you a check on list mode. That's how we picked up on our problem. Please let me know if you discover that your list mode is broken. I will share your news with Gerhard, but be sure to report it to him yourself. Keep a log of what you're experiencing -- I also set up a separate email folder for all related correspondence -- because you may be in for an extended outage. I don't want to leave you with the wrong impression about Gerhard. He's always been very courteous, knowledgeable, and until now, prompt. I've shared his name with you because if your list mode is broken, he's your go-to guy, and you'll want to be sure to address your alert specifically to him. I'm happy to correspond privately about the details of our experience if it would be of help to you. With extreme frustration, Mary Richardson SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE admin At 06:27 AM 4/8/2013, Ian Poyntz wrote: >sometime in March messages ceased being sent to India list subscribers. > They are in the archives so we know that they exist but they have not gone >to subscribers. > >Ian >List Admin

sometime in March messages ceased being sent to India list subscribers. They are in the archives so we know that they exist but they have not gone to subscribers. Ian List Admin

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