I am getting actual subscribe requests from this spammer. Also getting the 2nd attempts but to my admin address. On Sat, Apr 27, 2013 at 10:08 AM, Janet Crawford <reojan@gmail.com> wrote: > I am getting them on 2 inactive lists and they are subscribe attempts, all > right. Luckily I had set the two lists up for approval a while back, so > none of the attempts worked. > > Janet > > > On Sat, Apr 27, 2013 at 3:49 PM, <JYoung6180@aol.com> wrote: > > > Spammers usually send their spam as BCCs and any attempt to do that even > if > > it said subscribe would end up in pending requests due to the "implicit" > > address. I don't even see those because I have non subscriber mail set to > > discard and not hold. > > > > I'm getting the ones sent to my admin address that say "subscribe now and > > save..." but they are not trying to sub to the list...just using that > word > > in the subject for their own spam purposes. > > > > Joan > > > > > > In a message dated 4/27/2013 10:41:23 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > > wyants@sasktel.net writes: > > > > I'm sure you're right, Gene, and I don't mean to drag this out, but are > > you > > sure they were sent to your lists' subscribe addresses? I have received > > the > > very same thing in my Pending posts and I do not have my lists set to > > approve subscriptions. Mine were all sent to the List address, not the > > Request address, hence their ending up in Pending ... none were > > automatically subscribed ... > > > > PSW > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > LISTOWNERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LISTOWNERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- ~~~~~ Take care, Kathie Harrison Lancaster Co., NEGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nelancas/

Thanks, Kathy, this might very well be and I'm not disputing this ... I am only going on what I see in my many(!) lists ... every Pending post I have received reads: "You must first subscribe to the list in order to post. Please visit the list home page for subscription instructions." and the headers read: "Received: from mail3.rootsweb.com (mail3.rootsweb.com [192.168.26.64]) by lists9.rootsweb.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id r3R0mIFo024058 for <BAINES@lists9.rootsweb.com>; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 18:48:18 -0600 Received: from mail.rootsweb.com (mail.rootsweb.com [192.168.26.52]) by mail3.rootsweb.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id r3R0mIUI023719 for <BAINES@lists9.rootsweb.com>; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 18:48:18 -0600 Received: from Aneli-PC.fibertel.com.ar (207-152-165-181.fibertel.com.ar [181.165.152.207] (may be forged)) by mail.rootsweb.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id r3R0m5ZW025882 for <baines-l@rootsweb.com>; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 18:48:16 -0600 From: "Datinglife" <5460CE2E@4xct.com> Reply-To: CE9F8126@artemiosv.info To: "User baines-l" <baines-l@rootsweb.com> Subject: Subscribe Now and Save 99% Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 21:48:04 -0300 X-Mailer: BM23 Mail List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:A8ACB12@armandovieira.com> X-campaignID: bm23_2DD76CD67431FDC76BD32819EE550 x-pviq: 000819-000875-000938-000643-741570 Message-ID: <758C2B18-88C1-C462-C044-2A71223235C4@Aneli-PC.fibertel.com.ar> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="==Multipart_Boundary_935675680476845019062302" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.68 on 192.168.26.64" This is the same for ALL my lists (and I have a whack of 'em). I would be interested to see a sample of headers that demonstrate that any of these posts are going to the "request" address. PSW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathie Harrison" <harrison28@gmail.com> To: "Janet Crawford" <reojan@gmail.com> Cc: "LISTOWNERS" <listowners@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2013 9:25 AM Subject: Re: [LO] Spammer subscribing. >I am getting actual subscribe requests from this spammer. Also getting the > 2nd attempts but to my admin address. > > > On Sat, Apr 27, 2013 at 10:08 AM, Janet Crawford <reojan@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I am getting them on 2 inactive lists and they are subscribe attempts, >> all >> right. Luckily I had set the two lists up for approval a while back, so >> none of the attempts worked. >> >> Janet >> >> >> On Sat, Apr 27, 2013 at 3:49 PM, <JYoung6180@aol.com> wrote: >> >> > Spammers usually send their spam as BCCs and any attempt to do that >> > even >> if >> > it said subscribe would end up in pending requests due to the >> > "implicit" >> > address. I don't even see those because I have non subscriber mail set >> > to >> > discard and not hold. >> > >> > I'm getting the ones sent to my admin address that say "subscribe now >> > and >> > save..." but they are not trying to sub to the list...just using that >> word >> > in the subject for their own spam purposes. >> > >> > Joan >> > >> > >> > In a message dated 4/27/2013 10:41:23 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >> > wyants@sasktel.net writes: >> > >> > I'm sure you're right, Gene, and I don't mean to drag this out, but >> > are >> > you >> > sure they were sent to your lists' subscribe addresses? I have >> > received >> > the >> > very same thing in my Pending posts and I do not have my lists set to >> > approve subscriptions. Mine were all sent to the List address, not the >> > Request address, hence their ending up in Pending ... none were >> > automatically subscribed ... >> > >> > PSW >> > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > LISTOWNERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> LISTOWNERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > -- > > ~~~~~ > Take care, Kathie Harrison > Lancaster Co., NEGenWeb > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nelancas/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LISTOWNERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Right, of course, Joan, but mine all ended up in Pending because they "weren't subscribed to the list" (hence, they were sent to the List address), not because they had an implicit address. If it had been a BCC, an "implicit address" would have been the stated reason for their having ended up in Pending ... PSW ----- Original Message ----- From: JYoung6180@aol.com To: wyants@sasktel.net ; gnphllps@comcast.net ; listowners@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2013 8:49 AM Subject: Re: [LO] Spammer subscribing. Spammers usually send their spam as BCCs and any attempt to do that even if it said subscribe would end up in pending requests due to the "implicit" address. I don't even see those because I have non subscriber mail set to discard and not hold. I'm getting the ones sent to my admin address that say "subscribe now and save..." but they are not trying to sub to the list...just using that word in the subject for their own spam purposes. Joan In a message dated 4/27/2013 10:41:23 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, wyants@sasktel.net writes: I'm sure you're right, Gene, and I don't mean to drag this out, but are you sure they were sent to your lists' subscribe addresses? I have received the very same thing in my Pending posts and I do not have my lists set to approve subscriptions. Mine were all sent to the List address, not the Request address, hence their ending up in Pending ... none were automatically subscribed ... PSW

JYoung6180@aol.com wrote: > Gene- > > Did they SAY subscribe in either the subject or message body or were they > merely sent to the list request address? Did they actually GET subscribed? I've had a load of these as well. They are sent to the request address just like any other legitimate sub request. Thankfully my lists are all set to approval, so none of them got through. All the requests were discarded, not rejected.. The first one I got was 64F52A783C(&)affiliategoals.com (it's been munged) but the address format is similar in every instance. The subscriber's "name" is always DatingLife. I've noticed one of my junk mail folders gets at least half a dozen "dating" site scam/spam mails daily. It seems to be the latest try on. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

the one list i manage is very rarely used even by the subscribers, and i haven't been hit by any spammers -- until this morning. suspicious address - C1C2231BD@actionsports-usa.com but all would-be subscribers have to be approved by me, so it's no biggie. -----Original Message----- From: Gene Phillips <gnphllps@comcast.net> To: Listowners <Listowners@rootsweb.com> Sent: Fri, Apr 26, 2013 8:57 pm Subject: [LO] Spammer subscribing. FYI I just got 3 subscribe requests from "DatingLife" using 2 different email addresses. I also had 2 spam messages to my admin address from the same user name. Gene ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LISTOWNERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I'm sure you're right, Gene, and I don't mean to drag this out, but are you sure they were sent to your lists' subscribe addresses? I have received the very same thing in my Pending posts and I do not have my lists set to approve subscriptions. Mine were all sent to the List address, not the Request address, hence their ending up in Pending ... none were automatically subscribed ... PSW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene Phillips" <gnphllps@comcast.net> To: "Wyants" <wyants@sasktel.net> Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 8:58 PM Subject: Re: [LO] Spammer subscribing. >I have all of my lists set to approve subscriptions. I got a message for >each list that said I had a pending subscription request for 3 lists. There >was a pending subscription on each of 3 lists. > > Gene > > At 09:02 PM 4/26/2013, Wyants wrote: >>Gene, >> >>are you sure these all didn't go to your admin address? That's where all >>mine have gone ... >> >>Peter >> >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene Phillips" <gnphllps@comcast.net> >>To: <Listowners@rootsweb.com> >>Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 7:53 PM >>Subject: [LO] Spammer subscribing. >> >> >>>FYI I just got 3 subscribe requests from "DatingLife" using 2 different >>>email addresses. I also had 2 spam messages to my admin address from the >>>same user name. >>> >>>Gene >>> >>> >>>------------------------------- >>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>LISTOWNERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Mary- Oh...this has happened occasionally in the past where the spammer includes the word SUBSCRIBE as a part of the SPAM which isn't directly intended to subscribe to our lists but ends up GETTING subscribed because they used that word. Joan In a message dated 4/26/2013 11:37:37 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mdtaffet@twcny.rr.com writes: Joan, The spam related to this that has come to my -admin address does include the word "subscribe" in the message body, as part of their spam, which says something like "subscribe now and save ...". So far they've only come to my various -admin addresses. -- Mary

Joan, The spam related to this that has come to my -admin address does include the word "subscribe" in the message body, as part of their spam, which says something like "subscribe now and save ...". So far they've only come to my various -admin addresses. -- Mary On 4/26/2013 10:07 PM, JYoung6180@aol.com wrote: > Gene- > > Did they SAY subscribe in either the subject or message body or were they > merely sent to the list request address? Did they actually GET subscribed? > > Joan > > > In a message dated 4/26/2013 9:56:48 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > gnphllps@comcast.net writes: > > FYI I just got 3 subscribe requests from "DatingLife" using 2 different > email addresses. I also had 2 spam messages to my admin address from the same > user name. > > Gene

If they were waiting for approval in pending requests they were not automatically subscribed. Joan In a message dated 4/26/2013 10:45:54 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, pleblan@aim.com writes: I had over 2 dozen with a variety of addresses waiting for subscription approval. I guess I will get the rest in the morning.

I had over 2 dozen with a variety of addresses waiting for subscription approval. I guess I will get the rest in the morning.

Gene- Did they SAY subscribe in either the subject or message body or were they merely sent to the list request address? Did they actually GET subscribed? Joan In a message dated 4/26/2013 9:56:48 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, gnphllps@comcast.net writes: FYI I just got 3 subscribe requests from "DatingLife" using 2 different email addresses. I also had 2 spam messages to my admin address from the same user name. Gene

FYI I just got 3 subscribe requests from "DatingLife" using 2 different email addresses. I also had 2 spam messages to my admin address from the same user name. Gene

Gene, are you sure these all didn't go to your admin address? That's where all mine have gone ... Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene Phillips" <gnphllps@comcast.net> To: <Listowners@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 7:53 PM Subject: [LO] Spammer subscribing. > FYI I just got 3 subscribe requests from "DatingLife" using 2 different > email addresses. I also had 2 spam messages to my admin address from the > same user name. > > Gene > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LISTOWNERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Joyce Gaston Reece wrote: > Is there any way of learning which list I am ass’t admin on. > > A few years ago I agreed to assist someone who isn’t doing much, if anything, to care for them and I’m just thoroughly sick of getting 40-50 admin junk mails every day. I’d like to go in and remove my address as assist. admin since the listowner won’t. Doesn't Password Central give you the option for that? Alternatively, ask the Listmaster to remove you from the position. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

You could also ask the admin to change the list setting so that non-subscriber emails are discarded rather than held which would eliminate those pesky notices about the junk mail (unless you mean junk mail coming to the ADMIN address?). It sounds as if this admin isn't doing much and possibly an assistant IS needed for this list. This change is not an option in cases where the gateway is being used and moderated---but otherwise it should help. Joan In a message dated 4/17/2013 4:05:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, charani.b@gmail.com writes: Joyce Gaston Reece wrote: > Is there any way of learning which list I am ass’t admin on. > > A few years ago I agreed to assist someone who isn’t doing much, if anything, to care for them and I’m just thoroughly sick of getting 40-50 admin junk mails every day. I’d like to go in and remove my address as assist. admin since the listowner won’t. Doesn't Password Central give you the option for that? Alternatively, ask the Listmaster to remove you from the position. -- Charani (UK)

Is there any way of learning which list I am ass’t admin on. A few years ago I agreed to assist someone who isn’t doing much, if anything, to care for them and I’m just thoroughly sick of getting 40-50 admin junk mails every day. I’d like to go in and remove my address as assist. admin since the listowner won’t. Joyce Gaston Reece

Hello Lynne, I would suggest writing to listmaster@rootsweb.com and explaining the problem to them. Regards Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynne" <lynne.canterbury@frontier.com> To: <listowners-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 12:55 PM Subject: [LO] Archived Email Removal Someone on one of my mailing lists posted two obits (in one emal) from 27 years ago. Someone else is now up in arms that these obits were posted, claiming it's an invasion of her family's privacy, a copyright violation, and could cause her family extreme embarrassment. She is DEMANDING that the email be removed from the Archves. I've looked everywhere for instructions on how to do it, and I'm not seeing anything. Can someone point me in the right direction? Thanks! Lynne

Lynne wrote: > The obits were less than your typical obits. Barely just the > facts. The protester had no objection to them appearing on the web. > She just didn't want them on a mailing list because readers could > discuss them there. It's a mystery to me. *That* takes the biscuit!! It really does. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

I'd just add that no one can copyright facts. No one can own the date someone died or where he died or any other fact about the death. You can copyright the format in which the facts are presented, but that is easy to get around. My uncle had been married twice and when he died his 2nd family published a death notice that did not mention anyone related from the first marriage, so we published a 2nd notice and included everyone, and I hope to goodness that embarassed the 2nd family! Janet On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 2:31 PM, Charani <charani.b@gmail.com> wrote: > Lynne wrote: > > Someone on one of my mailing lists posted two obits (in one emal) > > from 27 years ago. Someone else is now up in arms that these obits > > were posted, claiming it's an invasion of her family's privacy, a > > copyright violation, and could cause her family extreme > > embarrassment. She is DEMANDING that the email be removed from > > the Archves. > > Since these are obits that have been reproduced they must have been > published in a newspaper. That means they were done either with the > family's approval or by the family themselves 27 years ago . > Therefore it cannot be an "invasion of her family's privacy". > > A transcript is copyright of the person who made the transcript. They > should cite the source and have got permission to make it. > > I can't honestly see how an obit could cause her family "extreme > embarrassment", TBH. Did she not know about the obit before? Does it > contain information that doesn't concur with her personal image of the > deceased? > > I can't remember off hand but I believe either Ancestry and/or > FindMyPast have obits on their sites. > > There are a couple of people who regularly publish items from > newspapers. I know one does have persmission to do so. I believe the > other one does as well. > > I think the complainant has been a bit shocked to see something like > that relating to her family. My inclination is to let the matter ride > for a few days to see what happens. If there's no further comment: > quietly drop it. > > -- > Charani (UK) > OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, > Greinton and Clutton, SOM > http://wsom-opc.org.uk > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LISTOWNERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Lynne wrote: > Someone on one of my mailing lists posted two obits (in one emal) > from 27 years ago. Someone else is now up in arms that these obits > were posted, claiming it's an invasion of her family's privacy, a > copyright violation, and could cause her family extreme > embarrassment. She is DEMANDING that the email be removed from > the Archves. Since these are obits that have been reproduced they must have been published in a newspaper. That means they were done either with the family's approval or by the family themselves 27 years ago . Therefore it cannot be an "invasion of her family's privacy". A transcript is copyright of the person who made the transcript. They should cite the source and have got permission to make it. I can't honestly see how an obit could cause her family "extreme embarrassment", TBH. Did she not know about the obit before? Does it contain information that doesn't concur with her personal image of the deceased? I can't remember off hand but I believe either Ancestry and/or FindMyPast have obits on their sites. There are a couple of people who regularly publish items from newspapers. I know one does have persmission to do so. I believe the other one does as well. I think the complainant has been a bit shocked to see something like that relating to her family. My inclination is to let the matter ride for a few days to see what happens. If there's no further comment: quietly drop it. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk