First off...if an address bounces OFF your list (or multiple addresses bounce off at one time) the admin should never just resubscribe them without some sort of verification that 1) the person wants to resub --- in other words they should do it, and 2) verification that the address actually works and is valid. The fact that you have set your bounce quota to 10 and "sent another email to the list" and waited a "few days" proves NOTHING...it will take 10 days of bounces for each of the addresses for them to bounce off again...if the list doesn't get any traffic and the bounces clear and return to zero after 7 days...they will never bounce off...but that doesn't mean they are no bouncing or that they are getting the list mail! You won't see any bounces (they just get discarded) until the threshold is met and you see the final bounce that unsubs the addresses. Not a solution in my opinion. Joan In a message dated 5/16/2013 8:23:52 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ahern@world.std.com writes: I resubscribed all of the bounced addresses, reset my bounce quota to 10 and sent another email to the list. It's been a few days and there have been no bounces. -dja

I resubscribed all of the bounced addresses, reset my bounce quota to 10 and sent another email to the list. It's been a few days and there have been no bounces. -dja

At 12:40 PM 5/15/2013, JYoung6180@aol.com wrote: >The question was raised about whether or not the bounce count is reset at >some point and returned to zero. The answer is that the bounce count resets >after 7 days. So if a bounce count (one per day for hard/permanent bounces) > doesn't reach the threshold --- it resets after 7 days. > >Joan >PS: Thanks to Gerhard for supplying the information...I knew this at one >time but somewhere along the line forgot. My memory was something like this. But, I wasn't sure if that was residual memory from Smartlist or for Mailman. This means that an inactive list that only has a posting every couple of days could potentially never see a member bounced off until it became more active. In such a case, the List Admin might _consider_ lowering the Bounce Threshold a little. Thanks, Joan and Gerhard - Lee Hoffman/KY TMG Tips: <http://www.tmgtips.com> My website: <http://www.tmgtips.com/lhoffman> A user of the best genealogy program, The Master Genealogist (TMG)

The question was raised about whether or not the bounce count is reset at some point and returned to zero. The answer is that the bounce count resets after 7 days. So if a bounce count (one per day for hard/permanent bounces) doesn't reach the threshold --- it resets after 7 days. Joan PS: Thanks to Gerhard for supplying the information...I knew this at one time but somewhere along the line forgot.

W David Samuelsen wrote: > 5 is higher than 3 I set for my lists. 5 bounces, telltaling of two things. I have mine set to 15. Every now and then a certain English ISP suddenly decides list member no longer have an account even though they do. It saves/d a lot of aggro for the list members affected - and me! <G> As always, each to their own. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

Lee, I'm no expert on this subject, but it is my understanding that there IS a time limit at which someone's bounce score will return to zero, but I cannot tell you what that time is other than it is a reasonable period of time. I think it is reset by default if there are no more offending bounces, but hopefully someone else out there can give you a clearer answer than I am right now. :-( FWIW, my own lists are set at the default setting of 5, and that seems to be a reasonable level at least for me. I do occasional get someone bouncing off, but not often. David E. Cann decann@infionline.net -----Original Message----- From: listowners-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:listowners-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lee Hoffman Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 2:13 PM To: List Owners List Subject: Re: [LO] bounced off list This brings up a question. The List Admin's Toolpage Help topic for the "bounce_score_threshol" option indicates only one bounce a day will be counted toward the score that causes a member to be bounced off. That seems reasonable especially for very busy lists. However, Help does not discuss what happens if the list is rather inaction like Dennis' (and many others). For example, say four postings are made to an inactive list and then the list goes quiet again for days before any other activity. With four postings spread across four days and each giving a hard bounce for a member, the member's score would accumulate a bounce score of 4 and remain on the list (assuming the default threshold of 5.0). Say the next posting is a month later. Does the bounce score of 4 remain during this time or is it reset at some point? Lee Hoffman/KY

Dennis Ahern wrote: > > I maintain the IRL-CORK-MALLOW list, which has been relatively moribund in > recent years. With an idea towards giving people something to read, and > maybe stir the pot a little, I've started posting weekly news items about > Mallow from historical newspapers. Since I've started doing that I've been > getting dozens of UNSUBs due to bounced messages. My bounce quota is set > at 5. Is that too low? What should it be set at? Or is there something > else causing all these bounces? If you have a look at the bounce messages themselves, they will tell you the reason. I suspect it could be down to people not unsubbing from the list for one reason or another possibly because they've forgotten they were subbed when they changed their email provider or they're off talking to their ancestors in person. I have my bounce limit set higher. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

But then, I've just realised that you've sent this to the List Owners' mailing list, so perhaps you have a mailing list post you want to delete from its archive? Go to http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/remove for that, and follow the instructions. Note that an email will be sent to the poster to confirm the request to delete their post. If it's not your own post (which it isn't here, from what you've said), send a message to the Help Desk to explain why you've initiated the action, so they know what's going on and hopefully won't wait for the poster's confirmation. Wendy Wendy Howard said the following on 14/05/2013 4:30 p.m.: > Assuming you are the admin of the board in question, log in to > Rootsweb/Ancestry with the account that you are registered as the admin. > > Then, at the bottom of any message board page, you will see a link > "Admin Center" - click on that. If you're already in the Admin > Center, you'll see a link at the bottom "Return to Message Boards" and > there will be a black bar at the top of the page saying "Ancestry: > Message Boards Admin Center" (or "Rootsweb" if you've come in that way). > > While in the Admin Center, any post on any board you administer will > include an option to delete the post - just click on the link to start > doing that and follow the instructions on the screen to confirm your > act. You can also edit or move a post, too. You can't do this on > boards where you're not the admin. > > Hope this helps. :-) > > Kind Regards, > Wendy > > > Martha Loven said the following on 14/05/2013 3:57 p.m.: >> Is there a way to delete a post to the message board? I had a subscriber >> make a post that simply says "weeee."

Assuming you are the admin of the board in question, log in to Rootsweb/Ancestry with the account that you are registered as the admin. Then, at the bottom of any message board page, you will see a link "Admin Center" - click on that. If you're already in the Admin Center, you'll see a link at the bottom "Return to Message Boards" and there will be a black bar at the top of the page saying "Ancestry: Message Boards Admin Center" (or "Rootsweb" if you've come in that way). While in the Admin Center, any post on any board you administer will include an option to delete the post - just click on the link to start doing that and follow the instructions on the screen to confirm your act. You can also edit or move a post, too. You can't do this on boards where you're not the admin. Hope this helps. :-) Kind Regards, Wendy Martha Loven said the following on 14/05/2013 3:57 p.m.: > Is there a way to delete a post to the message board? I had a subscriber > make a post that simply says "weeee."

This brings up a question. The List Admin's Toolpage Help topic for the "bounce_score_threshol" option indicates only one bounce a day will be counted toward the score that causes a member to be bounced off. That seems reasonable especially for very busy lists. However, Help does not discuss what happens if the list is rather inaction like Dennis' (and many others). For example, say four postings are made to an inactive list and then the list goes quiet again for days before any other activity. With four postings spread across four days and each giving a hard bounce for a member, the member's score would accumulate a bounce score of 4 and remain on the list (assuming the default threshold of 5.0). Say the next posting is a month later. Does the bounce score of 4 remain during this time or is it reset at some point? Lee Hoffman/KY TMG Tips: <http://www.tmgtips.com> My website: <http://www.tmgtips.com/lhoffman> A user of the best genealogy program, The Master Genealogist (TMG)

I'm with Darrell on this (and Charani) --- this is VERY normal when a list has been inactive for awhile and someone suddenly begins posting again...there was nothing happening while why there were no posts to shake out the addresses that went bad...and also, because of the inactivity, many people who changed addresses forgot to change THAT list. Joan In a message dated 5/14/2013 11:53:58 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, darrellm@sprynet.com writes: On 5/14/2013 10:27 AM, Dennis Ahern wrote: > > I maintain the IRL-CORK-MALLOW list, which has been relatively moribund in > recent years. With an idea towards giving people something to read, and > maybe stir the pot a little, I've started posting weekly news items about > Mallow from historical newspapers. Since I've started doing that I've been > getting dozens of UNSUBs due to bounced messages. My bounce quota is set > at 5. Is that too low? What should it be set at? Or is there something > else causing all these bounces? Dennis: In my opinion, the bounces are a normal, predictable result of what you have done. No need to change anything. The bounced addresses have been deactivated, almost certainly, and all the other likely reasons will lead to no response as well. You can try to contact the addresses that have bounced off, but -- again, just my opinion, no harm in trying -- you will almost certainly not be successful. Darrell ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LISTOWNERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I maintain the IRL-CORK-MALLOW list, which has been relatively moribund in recent years. With an idea towards giving people something to read, and maybe stir the pot a little, I've started posting weekly news items about Mallow from historical newspapers. Since I've started doing that I've been getting dozens of UNSUBs due to bounced messages. My bounce quota is set at 5. Is that too low? What should it be set at? Or is there something else causing all these bounces? - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dennis Ahern | Mallow Archaeological & Historical Society Acton, Massachusetts | Charles Mortell, Ballyellis, Mallow, Co. Cork ahern@world.std.com | http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlmahs/ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

On 5/14/2013 10:27 AM, Dennis Ahern wrote: > > I maintain the IRL-CORK-MALLOW list, which has been relatively moribund in > recent years. With an idea towards giving people something to read, and > maybe stir the pot a little, I've started posting weekly news items about > Mallow from historical newspapers. Since I've started doing that I've been > getting dozens of UNSUBs due to bounced messages. My bounce quota is set > at 5. Is that too low? What should it be set at? Or is there something > else causing all these bounces? Dennis: In my opinion, the bounces are a normal, predictable result of what you have done. No need to change anything. The bounced addresses have been deactivated, almost certainly, and all the other likely reasons will lead to no response as well. You can try to contact the addresses that have bounced off, but -- again, just my opinion, no harm in trying -- you will almost certainly not be successful. Darrell

5 is higher than 3 I set for my lists. 5 bounces, telltaling of two things. 1. changed email addresses 2. abandoned and forgotten David Samuelsen On 5/14/2013 9:27 AM, Dennis Ahern wrote: > > I maintain the IRL-CORK-MALLOW list, which has been relatively moribund in > recent years. With an idea towards giving people something to read, and > maybe stir the pot a little, I've started posting weekly news items about > Mallow from historical newspapers. Since I've started doing that I've been > getting dozens of UNSUBs due to bounced messages. My bounce quota is set > at 5. Is that too low? What should it be set at? Or is there something > else causing all these bounces? > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Dennis Ahern | Mallow Archaeological & Historical Society > Acton, Massachusetts | Charles Mortell, Ballyellis, Mallow, Co. Cork > ahern@world.std.com | http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlmahs/ > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LISTOWNERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Call up the post on the board & you should get edit or delete options If that does not work On the board open Board information The admin address should appear. Write him/her ask that the post be sent to the recycle bin. If the board is gatewayed you will have to delete it in the archive. -----Original Message----- From: Martha Is there a way to delete a post to the message board? I had a subscriber make a post that simply says "weeee."

Is there a way to delete a post to the message board? I had a subscriber make a post that simply says "weeee."

Lee Hoffman <lhoffman@acm.org> wrote: > On one of my very active lists, at least one subscriber is having > problems sending mail to the list. It appears to be bounced back by > spamcop before it gets to the list server. The bounced message is > like: > > >From: MAILER-DAEMON@yahoo.com [mailto:MAILER-DAEMON@yahoo.com] > >Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 12:15 PM > >To: ---------@bellsouth.net > >Subject: Failure Notice > > > >Sorry, we were unable to deliver your message to the following > address. > > > ><tmg@rootsweb.com>: > >Remote host said: 550 5.7.1 <tmg@rootsweb.com>... Rejected: > 98.139.44.157 > >listed at bl.spamcop.net [RCPT_TO] 98.139.44.157 is a Yahoo Mail Server (one of many) and it has been sending out spam. This has been reported to SpamCop (multiple times) and therefore 98.139.44.157 (like many, but not all, of Yahoo other mail servers) has been added to the Block List that SpamCop maintains. RootsWeb are now using the SpamCop Block List to block messages from Mail Servers that have been sending spam. This means legitimate messages that are sent via that Mail Server will also get blocked. The block will only last for a few hours (18 or 24) unless more reports are received. Big e-mail providers, like Yahoo, have many Mail Servers so not all of them will be blocked at the same time (although the more spam they send the more will get blocked and Yahoo are sending a lot of spam at the moment.) > But what about the first subscribed, what can be done to help her? All she has to do is resend the message and hope that an unblocked Mail Server is used next time. Alternatively send the e-mail from another account that doesn't use Yahoo. It would help everyone if users of the Yahoo Mail Servers (especially those who have e-mail with a third party like Bell South and BT Internet) complained to their e-mail provider about e-mails being blocked. If enough people complained (and possibly took their business elsewhere) then Yahoo might eventually listen and fix the security holes in their webmail. Regards         Elmo. -- --Keith Elmo ELDRIDGE --Elmo@aphelia.co.uk --Todmorden, West Yorkshire, England. --List Administrator of the Essex-UK and Isle-of-Wight lists P.S. There is some spam in the TMG-L archives that could do with removing: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/tmg/2013-04/1366347789

Lee Hoffman wrote: > On one of my very active lists, at least one subscriber is having > problems sending mail to the list. It appears to be bounced back by > spamcop before it gets to the list server. It has been listed by spamcop and sorbs amongst other but it is NOT your subsciber who's in trouble. It's the IP address that's been listed because a spammer is or has been using that IP address to send out spam. This will last about a week unless the spammer sends out more garbage. After that normal service will be resumed. http://whatismyipaddress.com/ip/98.139.44.157 > The copy of the message (being a report to a regular list message) > appears normal. The subscriber is of long standing (and has acted as > assistant admin), and posts often. Nothing has changed as far as I > can tell. Some of her posts get through and some get bounced back. As I say it is nothing to do with your subscriber. It's not anything she has done or is doing.. The posts that get through are using a different route which isn't going through the listed IP address. > In addition, another subscriber's request to unsubscribe got bounced > back for the same reason. This second subscriber is not a Bellsouth > ISP user. But his ISP may also be using Yahoo like Bellsouth > does. I have unsubscribed this second user per his request. If you have a look at the headers for that subscriber's mail it will tell you if they are using an ISP which takes their email service from Yahoo. > > But what about the first subscribed, what can be done to help her? In short, no. It's something she'll have to suffer for a few days unfortunately. If she has an alternative address with someone like Hotmail or Gmail, she could use that otherwise she can keep trying to send the mail until she hits a non black listed server and her mail goes through. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

On one of my very active lists, at least one subscriber is having problems sending mail to the list. It appears to be bounced back by spamcop before it gets to the list server. The bounced message is like: >From: MAILER-DAEMON@yahoo.com [mailto:MAILER-DAEMON@yahoo.com] >Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 12:15 PM >To: ---------@bellsouth.net >Subject: Failure Notice > >Sorry, we were unable to deliver your message to the following address. > ><tmg@rootsweb.com>: >Remote host said: 550 5.7.1 <tmg@rootsweb.com>... Rejected: 98.139.44.157 >listed at bl.spamcop.net [RCPT_TO] > >--- Below this line is a copy of the message. The copy of the message (being a report to a regular list message) appears normal. The subscriber is of long standing (and has acted as assistant admin), and posts often. Nothing has changed as far as I can tell. Some of her posts get through and some get bounced back. In addition, another subscriber's request to unsubscribe got bounced back for the same reason. This second subscriber is not a Bellsouth ISP user. But his ISP may also be using Yahoo like Bellsouth does. I have unsubscribed this second user per his request. But what about the first subscribed, what can be done to help her? Lee Hoffman/KY TMG Tips: <http://www.tmgtips.com> My website: <http://www.tmgtips.com/lhoffman> A user of the best genealogy program, The Master Genealogist (TMG)

Deloris Williams wrote: > Joan, > I have a question. > Is there a default setting that once a subscription request is approved, > whether it is automatic, or if the administrator authorizes it, which allows > that new subscriber to then become a member of a List? Is there something in > Mailman that can identify when an address is not legit if a Subscribe > request is sent through them and then authorized? As I understand it, if it's by confirmation and the address is not operational, then the confirmation mail will bounce back. If it's by approval, the spammer would become a member but the welcome mail would bounce back if the address is not genuine. Even if the welcome mail bounces, the spammer would remain on the list. Any list mails would bounce back and the address would be bounced off the list in the same way a legitimate subscriber would be bounced off if their account was closed or the inbox was overfull. The more active the list the quicker it will happen. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk